Moon of Alabama Blog Calls for Regime Change “by force” Due to Turkish Referendum Results

by Scott Creighton

UPDATE: Di$info Tarpley urged people to vote “NO” prior to the referendum. Now he makes comparisons between Ergodan and Hitler. Always doing the service of his masters.

I like Moon of Alabama blog. At least I used to.

Today, there are a ton of writers, bloggers, commenters and various influence peddlers running around screeching about the “stolen referendum” in Turkey. Apparently the Turkish people “voted the wrong way” and places like the Guardian, the BBC and the Washington Post are trafficking in election fraud porn on behalf of the globalists who are worried a changed Turkey is much less likely to be forced into the EU like Ukraine was… after Obama’s little neo-Nazi color revolution over there. The pro-Kurd People’s Democratic Party (HDP) and the main opposition to Erdogan led the “NO” vote movement though it’s interesting to point out, a number of Turkish Kurds voted “YES” in areas mainly populated by them.

The HDP says a “no” vote is “yes” to peace and that is important because it is well known they are closely linked to the PKK, the Kurdish separatist movement that has been waging a war of terror against Turkey for a number of years.

Interestingly, it would appear a majority of Turkish Kurds voted against that rhetoric and for the reforms, which might mean they don’t particularly support the idea of becoming part of Greater Kurdistan or Barzani Kurdistan… whatever the creators of the New Middle East want to call it. And who can blame them. Life in Barzanistan in Iraq is a pure neoliberal hell with tons of American businesses doing great, Israelis running around everywhere you look and the people suffering just like they did after Bush II blew up Iraq and installed the neoliberal technocrats to make a democracy out of it.

“Sunday’s results is clear proof that Turkish citizens of Kurdish origin supported the proposed changes, showing they are not enemies to Ankara as the pro-PKK HDP insistently has lied about” Daily Sabah

I’m not going to delve too deeply into the staged videos and bullshit about the stolen election just yet. We’ve seen it all before in Russia with Killary calling the shots and in Iran when their color revolution failed to take shape. We see it all the time when the people “vote the wrong way” so much so, it’s pretty cookie cutter if you ask me.

I am almost shocked though by all the alternative media outlets jumping on the “stolen referendum” bandwagon. One of the most disappointing is Moon of Alabama.

Now as I and Penny have said for a long time… the next step in the Greater Kurdistan project is the removal of Erdogan because he is standing in the way of them busting off a piece of Turkey to give to the Kurds. Something apparently even Turkish Kurds don’t want too see happen.

Over at MoA he’s busy telling his folks that Erdogan rigged the referendum, that it would make him dictator or sultan or something and that it will ensure the “Islamist” nature of the government. All stuff you can probably see at Rita Katz’ blog or Di$info Jone$

But he goes one step further in his evaluation of the importance of this event:

“Turkey is no longer a democracy. It is now a one man dictatorship with an expansive and distinct Islamist agenda. To change that will require the removal of Erdogan through some act of force.” Moon of Alabama

End of democracy. Dictatorship. Islamist agenda. He’s got all the talking points in there… all in one damn line.

But he also goes one step further and calls for the violent regime change of Erdogan… by force.

All because the Turks “voted the wrong way”

Does that seem a little drastic to anyone else? Bloody regime change because a referendum will change 18 parts of Turkey’s constitution? Is it me or is that a little extreme?

Besides… who the fuck are we to determine what kind of government the Turkish people have to represent them?

A regime change because folks voted the “wrong way” and a call for it by MoA. Sad isn’t it?

One of the first comments on this thread reads as follows:

After Turkey’s demise, give Constantinople, Smyrna, Trebizond, all of Cyprus, et al back to Greece and create a Kurdish homeland. Let the Turks “stew” in their own juices.

Posted by: Barbarossa | Apr 17, 2017 3:17:40 PM | 2

Yep. Guess Penny and I were right huh?

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26 Responses

  1. It just amazes me that all these Christian Americans want to kill everyone….

    • they aren’t Christians any more that Trump’s “moderate” mercenaries are Muslims or Israel’s rabid settlers in Palestine are Jews.

      • “Israel’s rabid settlers in Palestine are Jews.”
        No? What are they then?

        • most of em are jackasses who have been brought in from other countries and told if they take and hold a piece of land in Palestine for 10 years, the state of Israel will give it to them. Mostly they are uneducated thugs who claim to be Jewish so they can get a home out of it. Some are rabid ultra-orthadox Jews but very few.

    • They’ve had a pretty solid homicidal track record from Jamestown to Mesopotamia. Sadly, there seems to be no shortage of churches willing to support murder and genocide.

  2. Scott: I am absolutely unsurprised that b at MoA would have written that- I was banned from MoA after leaving a comment that stated, plainly, that the US was arming the Kurds including the PKK- It was censored and I was banned promptly

    I stopped reading there long ago, at all because b is so full of shit.

    He actually claimed way back that Turkey was invading Iraq and going to annex Mosul (when I still read there)- He reads like a propagandist for the remake the middle east and asia agenda-

    Him and his ilk cheered the tossing of Morsi from Egypt via the coup perpetrated by that el Sisi, because it was right for the military to do that-

    Say what you want about Morsi- but if you at all believe in elections and the rights of nations to choose their own leadership you don’t cheer a coup on

    I agree 100 percent with you and have stated all along, I don’t believe in R2P at all cause it’s a sham, and there is no such thing as a ‘good war’, Turkey is for the Turks- It’s none of our business to dictate to other nations who should lead their countries

    And did you notice I used the word ‘dictate’ because people who spout crap like B, coup supporters and militarists are dictators themselves

    • I have written extensively about the US backed coup in Egypt and about the anti-neoliberal constitution they were about to make the law of the land before Kerry went down and talked to al Sisi and got him to stage the coup to stop it. And yes, we have talked a good deal about MoA in the past, I’m not surprised either except that he openly calls for violent regime change. That should tell you just how much the globalists wanted to stop this referendum. Now the only option left to them… is violent regime change. And MoA is openly calling for it. very sad

    • In my opinion Morsi was actually Plan A while Sisi was Plan B. Under Morsi Egypt would deteriorate into sectarian turmoil and fighting and another semi-secular with strong central power state (just like Iraq, Libya and Syria) in the Middle East would be destroyed. The Plan A in the Middle East for years is to make Arab states weak and nonexistent rather than friendly and strong. Shah in Iran was friendly but Iran was modernized and getting to strong. Ayatollahs were preferable even if being hostile because their Iran would be weak. Hostile states can be boycotted and embargoed to the poverty. With Sisi there is still Egypt that will be getting $1.5 billions per year from the US.

      • Exactly – both Morsi and Sisi are very bad – Sisi is a plain old US client, and Morsi is Muslim Brotherhood who are Nazis and were allied with Hitler in WWII. I never understood why Scott isn’t more against the MB. I don’t want legitimate elections overturned (if they were legitimate – there is controversy about how the MB accrued so much influence so fast), but winning an election didn’t make Morsi good in any way, in the same way it didn’t make Trump good in any way.

        • Morsi was not “very bad”. He was elected because a very large number of Egyptians were still members of the Muslim Brotherhood in spite of it being made illegal by the dictator Mubarak in ’93 or so. That’s why the Brotherhood’s party won 47% of the seats in the election or something close to it and why Morsi became the first president elected in Egypt. He kept putting off the IMF while putting together a constitution that prohibited the kinds of austerity measures the IMF demanded. You should read the one they wrote and then tell me how “very bad” Morsi was. In the end, right after the constitution was ratified, John Kerry got al-Sisi to overthrow the government with violence. A thousand protesters were slaughtered to keep al-Sisi in power and they rounded up and arrested thousands more. They made the Muslim Brotherhood illegal again. Did you know Saudi Arabia, UAE and a few other dictators of Muslim countries consider the Brotherhood to be a terrorist organization? Gee, I wonder why that is. Morsi was removed via a violent coup because he was trying to make sure the IMF couldn’t get their hooks into Egypt again… and you compare him to Trump/

          hahahahahaha

          You know, the shit they are doing now with the demonization of Erdogan… they did to Morsi. What you think you know.. you don’t know.

          • Projecting one’s hopes and wishful thinking onto something. How should we call this phenomenon? It is so common. We are all guilty of it now and then because we are loosing almost all the time. Some hoped that Trump would…, some still hope that Putin will…, some hoped that MB would or almost would…. despite of basic evidence.

      • really? You are comparing Egypt prior to Morsi to Iraq, Libya and Syria? wow. Guess you know nothing about Mubarak.

      • Iran under the Shah WAS NOT an affluent, prosperous, highly developed middle-class state whose government answered to the people. Even Ben Affleck and Marjane Satrapi in their “evil mullahs” movies (plus Persepolis’ original graphic novel version) make token acknowledgements of millions’ discontent with Reza Pahlavi. from what I’ve encountered, the Persians most sympathetic to their last king were rich businessmen or high-level bureaucrats/corporate board directors/etc. who missed trading with Great Britain and America, were fans of trans-Atlantic consumer brands and pop culture, and/or were employed by multinational corporations now out of the Iranian market- anyone but blue-collar workers, farmers, independent or family tradesmen, small to medium enterprises, and those who wanted to conserve their national/cultural/artistic identity.

    • It’s funny how Daily Sabah, tied to Conde Nast’s Turkish subsidiary, provides more balanced coverage than many anti-establishment sources.

  3. “Turkey is much less likely to be forced into the EU like Ukraine was..”

    Ukraine is NOT in the EU. Or did it happen so quietly I didn’t notice it?

    • The European Union and Ukraine signed the economic part of the Ukraine–European Union Association Agreement on 27 June 2014.[17] President of the European Council Herman Van Rompuy described the signing as a “great day for Europe”.[17] Signatory (then new) President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko called it “Ukraine is underlining its sovereign choice in favour of membership of the EU“,[17] and also described it as Ukraine’s “first but most decisive step” towards EU membership.[18] Poroshenko also set 2020 as a target for an EU membership application.[19]”

      yeah, no, my bad, they just signed the economic agreement which they all say is the first step to joining the EU. But that’s not really.. “joining” the EU now is it? well, except for that whole “economics” thing.

  4. Craig, I’ve lived here in Turkey permanently for more than 20 years, here’s my thoughts/opinion:
    The Turkish referendum of 2017 is over and, according to semi-official figures, the ‘Yes’ vote to giving unprecedented powers to the office of the President squeaked out a narrow victory of 51.4% to 48.6%. Lest you, viewing these events from afar, think that Turkey has now entered definitively onto the road to dictatorship, I will argue that the referendum results should not be read in this fashion. In my opinion, the razor-thin margin of victory should be seen as a Pyrrhic victory for President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and the ruling AK Party. What do I mean by this?

    First, let me remind you of the conditions under which this referendum was held: the shameless and scandalous use of state resources and services for the ‘Yes’ campaign; the total domination of the media, print and broadcast, by the government with no equal time for ‘No’ campaigners; the jailing of leaders of the opposition Kurdish-based HDP party which made it impossible for them to mobilize support for ‘No’; the slandering of ‘No’ supporters as traitors and terrorists; thug attacks on ‘No’ events and cancellation of their venues for spurious reasons; and the conducting of the referendum while Turkey is under a State of Emergency where intimidation and fear has put a damper on freedom of speech, the press and assembly. These were the obstacles facing ‘No’ supporters. RTE, the AK Party leadership and the allied nationalist MHP leadership threw everything they had at ‘No’ supporters and still only managed to win by a mere 1%, a true Pyrrhic victory.

    The ‘Yes’ camp was hoping for a minimum of 55% in their column. Not only did they not reach that goal, they managed to lose Turkey’s three largest cities, Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir, as well as such major urban centers as Adana, Antalya, Mersin and Diyarbakır. (RTE even saw his Istanbul home district of Üsküdar go ‘No’ and then the entire city, where he had been a popular mayor.) In other words, most of Turkey’s financial, industrial, political, educational and cultural centers opted for ‘No’ in the referendum. These results can scarcely be read as a resounding victory for the President and the ‘Yes’ camp. The weak and divided ‘No’ supporters faced off against the ‘Yes’ Goliath and fared well. Contrary to what you claim above, the HDP showed via the strong ‘No’ vote in the largely Kurdish southeast and in the major cities that, in spite of government pressure and dirty tricks and even though it was not able to wage an effective ‘No’ campaign, it retained the support of its voter base. No small achievement when the government has been clearly out to demonize and destroy it.

    The one big loser in this referendum is the nationalist MHP, whose leadership entered into an alliance with RTE and the AK Party for the ‘Yes’ vote. They simply did not deliver. It is estimated that some 80% of MHP supporters voted ‘No’, following the lead of a group of dissidents who had been expelled for opposing the ‘Yes’ alliance. The MHP’s fate is now uncertain as it may soon face the emergence of a new nationalist party.

    In the aftermath of the vote Turks can now expect a number of legal challenges to the results, based on how the referendum was conducted, major irregularities in the vote tabulation process and allegations of outright voter fraud. In the past, I have generally been comfortable with what I saw as the overall fairness of Turkish elections and I’ve always had confidence in their results. Unfortunately, I don’t think that this is any longer the case. The widespread instances of manipulation, pressure and outright vote-stealing being reported must now be added to the litany of reasons why the results must be considered illegitimate. Since the ruling party controls the appeals process, it is, however, hard to be optimistic that the results will be overturned.

    Be that as it may, in my opinion, the referendum’s results were a Pyrrhic victory for Erdoğan, highlighting not his unbeatable power, but rather his weakening grip on Turkish politics. If he cannot deliver – i.e., reinvigorate Turkey’s ailing economy, show something positive for his intervention in Syria, put a stop to the attacks which have crippled tourism and foreign investment, and offer more than a military solution to the ‘Kurdish question’ – I suspect we will see more erosion of his popularity in the period ahead, as the new executive super-presidential system takes shape and he prepares for his run for president in 2019.

    Alan

    • Sounds very similar to the CFR talking points there Alan.

      And I don’t know much about Turkish politics but Erdogan didn’t seem weak or unpopular last year when people stood up to the expensive German tanks taking over their cities.

      • wasn’t just Erdoğan supporters who were out on the streets opposing the coup attempt. People right across the political spectrum are opposed to military intervention – even those who detest RTE

        • Sure, nobody wants panzer divisions parked in their yard. But I’m curious how opposition parties plan on shipping Erdogan when he enjoys “total domination of the media”? Sounds tough to beat. Does RTE control the facebook as well?

          • shuts social media on and off at will either nationwide or regionally – most vpn blocked. All internet traffic is routed thro’ Turk Telekom regardless of ISP. Opposition parties are fragmented and have proved to be ineffectual in countering AKP domination.

      • ps no idea what ‘CFR talking points’ are! Lived here in Turkey so long I have some affinity with Turks and what they think and talk about.

        • Council on Foreign Relations, I believe. They’ve got people all over the airwaves here in the states telling us about the illegitimate referendum in Turkey, coincidentally.

          • Would be a better world if noses were kept out of other countries. I was reflecting a point of view from Turkey where I live. If the US and its lapdogs kept their opinions and their armed forces to themselves the rest of the world would be a much safer place.

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