by Scott Creighton
“If it (9/11) was a conspiracy, I do not care.” Trenton Tye
OK. So we have another phony, “Redneck Dixon White” fuckwit over at Youtube, a guy by the name of Trenton Tye, who has put together a simpleton’s version of “the Truth” regarding what did or did not happen on 9/11.
Tye has taken time from his “busy day” of working on Youtube videos, a whole 2 minutes mind you, to show the public just how stupid “truthers” are when it comes to the steel in the Twin Towers.
I, on the other hand, have been researching and writing about those events for the past 8 years and have published over 100 articles of my own work on the subject.
Of course, his substance-free and DEEPLY FLAWED demonstration has been latched upon by several main stream media outlets as the end-all be-all “debunking” of the Truth advocates out here who say the key evidence in the demolition of the Twin Towers rests in the melted steel.
“Time for a metallurgical mic drop” Huffington Post
That is patently false and Tye knows it.
This article, which I will try to make into a video if my computer allows it, and which I will direct toward Tye himself, will pick his ignorant argument apart, piece by piece starting with the first thing that came out of his mouth:
1. “If it (9/11) was a conspiracy, I do not care.”
Many people do care, Tye, that’s why they spend years researching what happened that day. Because, unlike you, some of us (US) do give a shit about finding out who was responsible for the event that killed so many people in New York, Pennsylvania and DC that day and subsequently launched war after war across the Middle East killing scores more (US troops and civilians alike) and leaving 10 times that number scarred for life (US troops and civilians alike). And that’s too say nothing of the constitutional rights we all had to give up for the Patriot Act or the trillions of dollars of debt your kids will have to pay for the wars, you fucking imbecile.
It’s clear that you don’t give a crap about 9/11 because you spent a whole 2 minutes coming up with your “mic drop” video on the subject and in the process, you still managed to get most of what you said absolutely and completely wrong.
Research does have it’s advantages Tye, as you will soon see. And research comes from caring about something, which I guess explains why your pathetic 2 minute self-serving diatribe is so deeply flawed. You have to care about something in order to get it right. Don’t you teach people that in your iron working “how to” videos?
2. Jet Fuel fires
Dimwit… jet fuel does burn at around 1,500 degs (1517ºF). However, according to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) in their report of the collapse of the Twin Towers (the official basis of the official story by the way) the jet fuel burned off in the first few minutes after the planes crashed into the towers with much of it, burning in huge fireballs OUTSIDE the buildings. The fires were ignited by the fuel, they weren’t long term “jet fuel” fires. Big difference if you understand anything about open burn office fires as opposed to that forge you have in your fake shop.
“Based on its comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large number of jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius, or 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns…” NIST, FAQ page
“As high as” does not mean the fires were continuously maintained at that temperature, like your furnace is and that is because “ignited” does not mean the fires were purely hydrocarbon fires (jet fuel) but rather, regular office fires that burned at temperatures modern steel framed high rises are designed to withstand.
Try this on for size. I know it’s some more research into that thing you don’t care about, but since you made the video to get yourself some attention (or a TV show?), I figured you might be interested in that at least:
Although only limited video footage is available that shows the crash of American Airlines Flight 11 into WTC 1 and the ensuing fireballs, extensive video records of the impact of United Airlines Flight 175 into WTC 2 are available. These videos show that three fireballs emanated from W T C 2 on the south, east, and west faces. The fireballs grew slowly , reaching their full size after about 2 seconds. The diameters of the fireballs were greater than 200 feet, exceeding the width of the building. Such fireballs were formed when the expelled jet fuel dispersed and flames traveled through the resulting fuel/air mixture… Experimentally based correlations for similar fireballs (Zalosh 1995) were used to estimate the amount of fuel consumed. The precise size of the fireballs and their exact shapes are not well defined; therefore, there is some uncertainty associated with estimates of the amount of fuel consumed by these effects. Calculations indicate that between 1,000 and 3,000 gallons of jet fuel we re likely consumed in this manner .” FEMA report on 9/11, Chapter 2 –
For the record, that is from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) study on the collapse of the Twin Towers which proceeded the NIST report by 2 years. As you can see, even that report has to admit a large amount of the jet fuel burned off in the fireballs OUTSIDE the building and they later explained how the rest burned quickly, serving only to ignite, standard open burn office fires in the buildings.
In the end, by talking about “jet fuel fires” you do yourself and your viewers a grave disservice because you misrepresent the nature and intensity of the fires in the Twin Towers by a considerable amount.
Once again, here is a quote from the OFFICIAL RECORD of what happened:
• The dominant fuel for the fires in the towers was the office combustibles. On the floors
where the aircraft fuselage impacted, there was a significant, but secondary contribution from
the combustibles in the aircraft. Most of the jet fuel in the fire zones was consumed in the
first few minutes after impact, although there may have been unburned pockets of jet fuel that
led to flare-ups late in the morning.” Under FINDINGS — “Characteristics of the Fires” in the NC STAR1-5 Executive Summary
Let me repeat that: “the dominant fuel for the fires in the towers was the office combustibles” which do not burn at 1,800ºF. A typical home fire burns at the significantly lesser temperature of around 1,100ºF which is higher than office fires because is there is no wooden structure in a steel framed building.
So the entire premise of your dishonest demonstration is born of pure ignorance and more than a little deception (I did notice you mentioned “some” carbon steel melts at 2,300ºF but of course, as you well know, that steel isn’t used in making steel framed high rise buildings, so including that number was a deliberate attempt to mislead your audience.)
3. Apples to Oranges
This is probably why you’re a wannabe TV star/iron worker and not an architect or an engineer (which, by the way, there are 2,400 of them who have taken the time to study the FEMA and NIST reports (I guess because they care) and concluded that the official version of what happened is clearly mistaken)
When you take out that tiny little 1/2″ bar of structural steel from the furnace (how long was it in there by the way?) in order to prove your point that it’s “a freaking noodle!”, sure it’s dramatic isn’t it?
But is it an accurate and fair representation or even a valid bit of experimentation?
Well, it might seem as if it had been, had some of us not already done the research (ah, never mind…) and seen through the mistakes you made by assuming the temperatures in the towers equaled that of your furnace….
But I guess it would be just as impressive in your case, if someone took an oak toothpick and broke it between their fingers and then used that to explain how they can do the same to a Grand Oak which is 60 inches in diameter.
This is the inner structure of the Twin Towers:
It was a massive structure consisting of 47 main columns and countless cross-members and bracing all consisting of A-36 structural steel. The columns themselves looked like this:
In the first 40 floors, the plate-steel in walls of the columns was 5″ thick. Above that, they were slightly smaller, reducing down incrementally as the building got taller culminating in columns made up of steel plate 2.5″ thick.
And you want to compare that to a little piece of 1/2″ bar-stock to make your simplistic, flawed comparison?
Doesn’t work, Tye.
Let me also take the time to explain this since you are obviously not inclined to do your own research and figure these things out:
What you see above, the structure designed to withstand fire, does so in a number of ways one of the most important being that it serves as a “heat sink”
What does that mean?
It means simply, the energy of heat is transferred across a great distance of steel, spreading the destructive potential of that energy, thus reducing the weakening effect you so gladly latched onto as your “proof positive” that we “Truthers” should just give up and go “find a job”
As you well know from when you weld, touching a 5 foot long pipe on the opposite end from where you are welding will burn you just the same as if you touched the weld and that’s because steel will conduct the thermal energy instantly across the length of the pipe.
The same holds true with steel structures in high rise buildings.
Why is that important?
Because, dimwit, the weaken point of A-36 structural steel (or any metal for that matter) references CORE TEMPERATURE of the steel, and not the surface temperature.
That means, NIST can say they detected areas of the core columns that were EXPOSED to temperatures ‘as high as” 1,800ºF but that does not mean the core of those columns REACHED 1,800ºF which is what they would have had to have done in order to become a “freaking noodle”.
The only reason you could bend that toothpick of a bar you used in that demonstration, is because the CORE of it reached that temperature. Had it not, you couldn’t have. And that’s a fact.
Had you attached about a hundred thousand pounds of steel to it as you heated it, you would have found that you still couldn’t have bent it “like a freaking noodle” because the energy from the furnace would have been dissipated across the entire structure like the heat sink effect of a massive core of 47 columns and the countless cross-members and support beams you just might find in the design of the Twin Towers if you cared enough to take a look.
Would you care to explain to me how the core temperature of a 5″ thick, 5 foot wide steel plate reaches 1,800ºF when exposed for 56 minutes to a fire burning at less than 1,100ºF?
I guess that would take longer than the 2 minutes you seem to be prepared to offer up to this issue.
In the end, had you bothered to read the NIST report, you would find that even 1,100 is WAY more than they found to have effected the structure for a prolonged period of time:
Only three locations had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250°C.
These areas were:
• WTC 1, east face, floor 98, column 210, inner web,
• WTC 1, east face, floor 92, column 236, inner web,
• WTC 1, north face, floor 98, column 143, floor truss connector
Other forensic evidence indicates that the last example probably occurred in the debris pile after collapse
Remember, these details from NIST only deal with the conditions inside the buildings PRIOR to collapse. At the point OF collapse and during the collapse, the NIST report tells us nothing.
There might just be an interesting reason for that.
4. 2003 RJ Lee Report
Lastly, I wish to conclude with this.
In 2003 Deutsche Bank was trying to be paid by an insurance company for the damage and clean-up of the dust and debris that blew through their windows at 130 Liberty Street, New York on Sept. 11th, 2001. With the windows blown out, 5″ of dust from the collapse of the Twin Towers covered everything in their offices and they rightly wanted compensation for it.
The insurance company told them to prove the dust came from the Twin Towers, which they insured.
So, Deutsche Bank contacted the RJ Lee Group and commissioned them to do a study basically identifying the fingerprint of the Ground Zero dust that covered lower Manhattan that day so they could indeed prove it came from the Twin Towers.
(Keep this in mind… this has NOTHING to do with studies by “Truthers”. Nor for that matter did ANY OTHER EVIDENCE I presented thus far (NIST, FEMA, photos from the construction of the Towers and now RJ Lee Group))
The RJ Lee Group study was release in 2003 in two parts, the first titled “WTC Dust Signature Report Composition and Morphology. ”
I would like to quote a little of that to you Tye, if you have the time to read it (or care enough):
Various metals (most notably iron and lead) were melted during the WTC Event, producing spherical metallic particles. Exposure of phases to high heat results in the formation of spherical particles due to surface tension. Figure 21 and Figure 22 show a spherical iron particle resulting from the melting of iron (or steel).” 2003 RJ Lee Group report page 17
“In addition to the spherical iron and aluminosilicate particles, a variety of heavy metal particles including lead, cadmium, vanadium, yttrium, arsenic, bismuth, and barium particles were produced by the pulverizing, melting and/or combustion of the host materials such as solder, computer screens, and paint during the WTC Event. Combustion-related products are significant WTC Dust Markers, particularly if seen in combination. However, it is worth noting that fly ash and partially combusted products can occur in trace concentrations in ordinary building dusts, but not in the concentrations observed in WTC Dust.” 2003 RJ Lee Group page 19
“The differences within the WTC Dust and typical background dusts include the fineness and evidence of heat, the size and concentration of the chrysotile, and the length and concentration of the mineral wool and other fibers, as well as the frequency of occurrence of spherical particles produced by fire and heat, char and soot, and other building products.” 2003 RJ Lee Group report page 19-20
Why is this significant and more importantly, why is it significant in terms of Tye’s childishly flawed demonstration?
It is significant because even in his mistaken demonstration of how “jet fuel” could in fact ‘weaken’ 5″ thick structural steel columns (in 56 minutes or less) Tye never explains one dramatically important clue to the mystery that is the collapse of the Twin Towers and that is the presence of massive amounts of melted metal. Flash melted as would be needed to produce the thousands of tons of metal microspheres found not only by the RJ Lee Report, but also by the USGS study done a year earlier.
“Iron-rich spherules were also observed in studies conducted by the RJ Lee Company and the USGeological Survey. In particular, a USGS report on the WTC dust provides two micrographs of “iron-rich spheres” and a “bulbous” or tear-drop-shaped silicate droplet.”
“Moreover, the RJ Lee report provides provocative data regarding the abundance of observed iron-rich spheres. A WTC dust sample acquired at 130 Liberty Street shows a “mean of composition” of “Fe spheres” of 5.87% which is very high compared with “Fe spheres” found in ordinary building dust of only 0.04%. As the report notes, the WTC dust has unusual identifying characteristics – in particular, the WTC dust in this sample has nearly 150 times (5.87/0.04) the amount of iron-rich spheres as ordinary dust.” “Extremely high temperatures during the World Trade Center destruction.”
What has to happen in order for those droplets and microspheres to form is they have to be flash melted, nearly instantaneously, and they cool while suspended in the air so they don’t form into little puddles or flat platelets.
That is why the RJ Lee Report concluded:
Combustion-related products are significant WTC Dust Markers,
Not jet fuel fires.
Not even magic.
Now, since Tye here has clearly demonstrated along with his laziness, his lack of knowledge relating to even the OFFICIAL STORY of 9/11, allow me to interject a little knowledge of what COULD have produced what the RJ Lee Report and the USGS found.
Let’s start off by saying Tye isn’t exactly accurate when he uses A-36 structural steel as the template for all the steel in the Twin Towers. Again, this information comes to us from NIST, the official source of the official version of what happened to the Towers.
“The composition of the trusses was not simply carbon and iron as has been suggested by many others. That would be the main composition of A-36 structural steel. But as NIST points out, in the fabrication process of the trusses, the company that made them substituted a higher grade steel, a HSLA steel, for the parts of the trusses that were to be comprised of A-36 structural steel. They also used ASTM A-242 steel in the trusses. This could explain the reports of silicone, sulfur, and various other metals found in the “iron rich spheres”.” Scott Creighton
Here are the charts provided by NIST.
I provide these so when you go check out the detail in the RJ Lee Report, you will find much of the material they found melted into “droplets” or micro-spheres, did in fact come from the trusses of the Trade Center.
The heat required to achieve these results is tremendous. Far greater than anything Tye can create in his furnace and certainly much more than office fires or even Tye’s mythological “jet fuel fires” that even NIST and FEMA say didn’t exist for long after the planes hit the buildings.
RJ Lee and the USGS agree with me and the rest of the “truthers” even if Tye here doesn’t.
The RJ Lee study also found that temperatures had been reached “at which lead would have undergone vaporization”– meaning 1,749°C (3,180°F).
Another study was carried out by the US Geological Survey, the purpose of which was to aid the “identification of WTC dust components.” Besides also finding iron particles, the scientists involved in this study found that molybdenum had been melted. This finding was especially significant, because this metal does not melt until it reaches 2,623°C (4,753°F). Griffin
What could possibly have created that kind of heat in the Twin Towers as they came down due, mainly, to office fires (according to NIST)?
Years ago, I addressed that and with all due respect to Mr. Tye here, I leave it for you to review:
“The incredibly high temperatures required to create the spheres themselves as well as all the molten steel found under the rubble of Ground Zero can easily be explained by the use of PETN. PETN is commonly used in the demolition industry and it is more than capable of creating temperatures in excess of 7,075 degs. Fahrenheit. PETN is one of the most powerful high explosives used in the demolition industry. The application of the PETN filled DET CORD would be as simple as reaching up into the ceiling tiles on each floor, and running the DET CORD like an electrician pulls cable, in the pre-existing ELECTRICAL DUCTS. There would be no need for drilling or for finding a way to fasten the DET CORD to the underside of the metal floor pans. The installation would fast, simple, and could be disguised as a “cable upgrade” for the security system (which took place in the months leading up to 9/11).” Scott Creighton
PETN – POWER INDEX OF 167 … AS COMPARED TO TNT’S 116
PETN – HEAT OF EXPLOSION VALUE OF 5794 kJ/kg RDX = 5036 kJ/kg
RDX – TEMPERATURE OF EXPLOSION = 4186 K = 7075 F
PETN – TEMPERATURE OF EXPLOSION > 7075 F
(The formula for kelvin to Fahrenheit is ((Kelvin – 273) * 1.8 ) + 32; note: 1.8 = 9/5.)
As it turns out, my estimation of the temperature created by the detonation of PETN was a bit low. It’s closer to 8,000ºF which is approaching the surface temperature of the sun at 9,941 °F
So, needless too say, a massive wave of super-heated air at 8,000ºF would create the evidence that both the RJ Lee Group and the USGS found in the dust which serves as significant markers for identifying the dust from Ground Zero. A massive wave created by something like PETN det cord placed in the floor systems of the Twin Towers like is done during a standard controlled demolition project.
It would also explain how the droplets and micro-spheres were suspended long enough to cool and form and how the super-heated metal would be blown into tiny particles in the first place.
Any of those questions answered by Tye’s ridiculous demonstration? No? I didn’t think so.
Trenton Tye’s silly “debunking” video will undoubtedly be well accepted by most if not all of the eager main stream media outlets garnering him his much sought after attention.
But, as is usually the case in these self-serving, Youtube affected indignation videos, the substance of his argument is hollow to the core. Unfortunately, these days in this country, that means diddly squat. With the right “Redneck Dixon White” approach, you could probably convince a quarter of the population of the earth being flat, just so long as they had some form of ridiculously insipid “experiment” to prove it and just the self-righteous in your tone of voice.
Of course, the mic drop makes it, doesn’t it?
In reality though, the world isn’t as simple as “they hate us for our freedom” and we have all learned that since 9/11.
Nor is engineering as simple as some wannabe TV star bending a 1/2″ piece of steel in his little shop with an anvil and his pinky.
The funny thing is, as ignorant as Trenton Tye is even of the official theory of 9/11, I as a long time Truth Advocate and researcher into the events of 9/11 have never supported or respected one single theory or demonstration like the one Tye there does, as proof of the controlled demolition of 9/11.
In fact, no one that I know of who isn’t a fake truth advocate, has done so either. And that’s because when you take the time, because you care, to dig a little deeper and find solid evidence of an alternative explanation for something we are told is a given, you tend to er on the side of caution: you do your research and you painstakingly investigate your conclusions…
… before you open your mouth.
Thus a lesson Trenton Tye could learn from the Truth community might just be that’s always best to say nothing and be thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Of course, he just wants to be on TV doesn’t he? And you don’t have to have an IQ for that, now do you?
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