Dutch MH-17 Report Seems to Imply Kiev Downed the Plane, Not Russia (photos of Ukrainian BUK Systems)

by Scott Creighton

UPDATE: This study shows through a couple of real world experiments, that the plane was downed by an older version of the Russian-made rocket and not the newer one Russia uses today. Kiev still has and uses the older systems and if you look below in the article, you will see photos of them posted by Kiev military forces in the area at the time of the shoot-down (second photo of BUK systems and rockets in the collection below).

© Almaz-Antey

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Dutch authorities have finally released their much awaited report on the downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-17 and have concluded that the plane was shot down by a BUK missile system and more specifically, a “Russian made” 9N314 fragmentation warhead found on the 9M38 missile.

Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was downed by a Russian-made “warhead” fired from eastern Ukraine that detonated outside the jet’s cockpit, Dutch investigators confirmed in their final report Tuesday. NBC “news”

This of course is being used as “proof positive” to suggest Russia had some involvement in the downing of the plane by at least supplying the munitions and BUK system to rebels in Eastern Ukraine fighting against our puppet regime in Kiev.

Imagine that. More Russia bashing as they are wiping out our CIA-backed terrorists in Syria.

You can expect a resurgence of the story of Russia driving BUKs into Ukraine to shoot down commercial jets I suppose. What you wont see repeated is the story of the Ukrainian BUK 312 crew member saying that crap is a lie.

Unfortunately for folks who have a bit more information at their disposal, the conclusion doesn’t really point to Russia or the separatists at all and in fact, this conclusion is not really news. A study by the Russian manufacturer of the system came to the same conclusion back in June.

The Ukrainian military had in it’s possession several BUK missile systems armed with these exact same rockets and even posted bragging videos of them deploying them in the area just prior to the downing of Flight MH-17 and just after it.

So, who does this Dutch report cast blame on? Well, minus the invisible Russian invasion of eastern Ukraine, it seems to me that it places blame for the downing of the jet firmly on the side of our neo-Nazis in Kiev.

A Russian defence firm says an old Buk missile it used to manufacture brought down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine on 17 July 2014.

The Almaz-Antey firm said the Buk M1 guided missile was fired from an area south of Zaroshchenske….

There is controversy about who controlled the Zaroshchenske area at the time. The Russian military said the town was under Ukrainian military control, whereas Ukrainian officials insisted it was already held by the rebels.

Almaz-Antey said it had analysed shrapnel damage and identified the missile as “9M38M1 of the Buk M1 systemBBC June 2, 2015

So it has already been well established that the missile that brought down Flight MH-17 was probably a 9M38 fired from a BUK system.

Does the fact that the system is Russian made mean the rebels in Donbas did the deed? Hardly.

In fact, even Bellingcat, an online apologist for the neo-Nazi regime in Kiev and obvious propaganda asset of the West has already acknowledged that Ukraine not only HAD these systems in the past, but they also had them during the early part of the conflict.

Unfortunately for Mr. Smeshko, a number of videos and pictures of Ukrainian Buks have been uploaded to social media since 2007, more than a few of which can be seen armed with 9M38M1 missiles. The 9M38M1 can be easily distinguished from other Buk missiles by its long fins:

A cellphone video uploaded March 5, 2014, shows a convoy of Buks and other Ukrainian military vehicles parked along the side of a road. Four Buks (numbered  321, 312, 331, and 332, respectively) can be seen with 9M38M1 missiles.

from Bellingcat

A video uploaded on May 8, 2014 shows a Ukrainian Buk numbered 121 being hauled by a trailer. Despite the video’s title, we geolocated this video not in Kramatorsk, but the nearby city of Krasnoarmiisk.

from Bellingcat

On July 16, 2014, a day before the downing of MH17, the Ukrainian Army released a video touting its “anti-terrorism operations” in eastern Ukraine. Halfway through the video, a Buk can be seen armed with missiles displaying the long, telltale fins of the 9M38M1.

from Bellingcat

For more images and videos of Ukrainian BUK missile systems armed with the exact type of rockets that brought down Flight MH-17, just go to Bellingcat. He sums it up nicely:

We could go on; this is just a sampling of the open source evidence confirming that Ukraine — like Russia — still employs 9M38M1 missiles on its Buk missile systems. That being said, Mr. Smeshko’s erroneous remarks only serve to distract from the real issue — and the real evidence — of who is responsible for shooting down MH17.

It’s clear and the debate is over. Ukraine had these systems in their possession when the flight was knocked out of the sky and even had them deployed in the field of battle. Of that, there is no argument.

Here’s a quick question: Why would the Kiev forces deploy a BUK system to that conflict anyway? It is strictly a surface to air defense system and the rebels in Donbas have no air power, no drones and no cruise missiles. Not only that, but the missiles you see loaded on the Ukrainian BUKs are also strictly surface to air guided missiles. So why did they send them to the area in the first place?

The Buk missile system (Russian: “Бук”; “beech” (tree), /bʊk/) is a family of self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air missile systems developed by the Soviet Union and its successor state, the Russian Federation, and designed to fight cruise missiles, smart bombs, fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft, and unmanned aerial vehicles.[2]

The 9M38 surface-to-air missile utilizes a two-mode solid-fuel rocket engine with total burn time of about 15 seconds; the combustion chamber is reinforced by metal.

Kinda makes you think, doesn’t it?

So does this (click on image for larger view):

https://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/my-map.jpg?w=300&h=213

Why was this flight so far off course and flying over a combat zone? Why did they have BUK surface to air missile systems in place? Who sent them there and why? A convenient false flag attack would certainly answer those questions, wouldn’t it? And who was served by the story that the evil rebels shot down a bunch of civilians?

And who owned the exact same type of system and rockets that brought down Flight MH-17?

Now, the only real question is, who controlled that area when the rockets were fired.

We are told by the Dutch investigation that the rocket was fired from an area “south of Zaroshchenske”

Zaroshchenske is located between Torez and Donetsk. Let’s put it on a map I did a year ago explaining the location of the conflict in relation to various oil and LNG fields in the area. I drew up the map based on conflict maps published by the New York Times.

NEW map

As you can see, an area “south of Zaroshchenske” could easily have been controlled by Kiev forces when Flight MH-17 was shot down.

The lies are going to continue based on half-truths perpetuated by the MSM as well as some popular “alternative” websites like Gawker for instance who ran with this deeply misleading headline today:

Inquiry Finds Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 Was Shot Down by a Russian Missile

Don’t expect many to be writing today about Kiev owning so many BUK systems and those missiles nor the fact that they were parked all along the area where the missile was launched in spite of the fact that the rebels had no planes or cruise missiles from them to be used on.

All of this said, I have to admit I may have been wrong in my initial assessment that the whole thing was staged using scrap parts from other planes. Of course, it may still have been staged, but it’s looking like something was indeed shot down.

And I’m not entirely convinced it was shot down by a BUK system. Remember the images of a Ukrainian fighter in the area when the plane when down? There is an air-to-air rocket system that is very similar to the kind supposedly used by the BUK system, it’s based on the BUK design and uses the same fragmentation warheads they found part of in the pilots and cockpit of Flight MH-17.

It has been suggested that the Novator KS-172 AAM-L, an extremely long range air-to-air missile and possible anti-satellite weapon, is a derivative of the 9M38

I do not know if the Ukrainian fighter jets supposedly photographed in the area are equipped with these missiles. They are Russian made fighters and this is a Russian made warhead, so I guess it is possible.

Either way, no, this does not even remotely prove that Russia attacked Flight MH-17 and brought it down and quite frankly, when you look at all the facts on the ground, it seems to present a rather different conclusion.

You just have to have enough information to see it.

4 Responses

  1. Reblogged this on Dreams of Liberty and commented:
    Wonder why this is not in main stream media…

  2. Thank you for pointing this out. It’s a key piece of the puzzle of what happened to MH-17. You’ve demonstrated that it was not a Russian system that downed the plane, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it wasn’t the separatists. The explanation that always made the most sense to me was that the separatists were using captured Ukrainian systems(which they possessed at the time), and that the Russians never supplied them BUK systems. We know the Separatists downed a Ukrainian Antonov transport plane a few days before. It seems more likely to me that you had some poorly trained separatists operating captured systems who got too trigger-happy after their earlier successes. They were probably aware of normal commercial flight paths over the country, but did not have access to up-to-date air traffic control data. When they saw a plane where there shouldn’t have been one the shot at it thinking it was a Ukrainian military aircraft hiding at commercial altitude. I wouldn’t rule out the possibility that they figured out that the separatists had spies at the airfields watching take-offs and diverted the plane intentionally to send it through rebel airspace when they were expecting an Antonov to show up, but it just doesn’t seem likely to me that the Ukrainian coup regime – itself struggling for legitimacy and to prove its competency – would risk such a dangerous false-flag attack at a time when they couldn’t be sure of the loyalty of its military forces. Apart from demonizing the separatists it really didn’t do them any favors. The Ukrainian Government’s handling of the whole affair didn’t leave them looking very competent or in control.

    At the time the Ukrainian military had a very legitimate reason to deploy it’s anti-aircraft defences. There was a real threat of Russian military intervention in the conflict and the Ukrainian BUK systems were there to deter the Russians from actively intervening with their air force and to protect Ukrainian military assets from Russian air power. Their presence is no evidence of a plan to carry out a false-flag attack.

    This does rule out Russian involvement in the incident, and your false-flag theory is possible, but I think an accidental downing by separatists operating captured Ukrainian equipment is the most likely explanation.

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  4. In the report one of the stabiliser fins from the wreck was recovered so the old missile “tube” is not an argument. “Both sides” still use them, even with a new rocket motor and warhead on the Russian side.

    They stated it was the newer warhead which has different blast pattern and shrapnel positioning.
    I’m arguing this point because it makes a weak correlation to the blast evidence. Never mind the issues importing all that hardware, invisibly.

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