by Scott Creighton
(A reader asked me what I thought of the Charlie Veitch conversion. I said “Charlie who?” H/T Mohammad Ali )
UPDATE: Go here and watch Charlie Veitch voice his support for the anonymous Blac Block agent provocateurs who have been proven to be linked with various police departments and intelligence services. Looks like Charlie has been a Cass Sunstein agent since the beginning. What a sleaze this guy is. Uses words like “paradigm” and gives multiple “shout outs” to various people in the room. This guy is like a bad used car salesman and watching him just leaves a slimy film all over you. He’s a pure Sunstein infiltrator. No doubt about it.
UPDATE 2: I’ve added a rebuttal video from someone at the end of this article. He makes some good points but I think he’s far too forgiving of Veitch and a bit naive when it comes to Veitch’s motivation.
UPDATE 3: Max Igan gave Veitch another chance to explain himself in a follow-up interview and when Charlie tried to fall back on his “well, I’m not an engineer” line, Igan countered with “Well, you don’t have to be an engineer, you just have to have a working brain … whether or not someone is an engineer or an architect is irrelevant “. Sounds like Max has had enough of Charlie’s bullshit. Later in the interview Charlie says he stands alongside Jullian Assange on this issue. Well there’s some credibility for you, huh? Jullian Assange? He also tries to claim that he stands alongside Noam Chomsky on this issue as well but recently Chomsky made the point that there is absolutely no real evidence that al Qaeda or bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11 so I beg to differ with Charlie on that one.
UPDATE 4: In the above mentioned video, Charlie Veitch commits a rather disingenuous bit of logistical slight of hand in one of his arguments. Charlie claims that since only 1,500 or so engineers and architects signed Richard Gage’s petition for a new investigation and since there are over a million registered architects and engineers in America (not an accurate number by the way) then 99.9% of them believe the official story. This is a logical fallacy which Igan should have harped on. The 1,500 are registered professionals who signed the petition and that is all that can be derived from that fact. There is no way in hell Veitch or anyone else can claim to know what all of the other architects and engineers believe or do not believe simply because they have not signed that petition.
UPDATE 5: A tip of the hat goes out to Jan who found this little gem: it’s Veitch’s biography from something called The Wake Up Call Conference. Aside from mentioning that his father was in the “oil industry” and a staunch conservative, Veitch also talks about the fact that he spent 7 years working in the financial sector for a company called HBOS PLC. They are a division of Lloyds Banking Group and the holding company for Bank of Scotland. A quick check of their past reveals that HBOS PLC has been involved in arms trading, mortgage fraud, and making bad loans. They helped push what became known as ‘liar loans” starting in 2003 just like the financial sector did here and it was these bad loans that collapsed the global economy when they were bundled into triple A rated over the counter derivatives. For it’s part in helping to create the atmosphere we have now, HBOS PLC was given a huge bailout in October of 2008, something to the tune of 64 billion dollars. That is what Charlie Veitch did for 7 years prior to becoming a “truther”. Then in May of 2009 he started in on this little project.
With the upcoming 10th anniversary of 9/11 fast approaching the establishment media (with the help of some, let’s say, less than honest Truth advocates) is pulling out all the stops to be done with the pesky Truth Movement once and for all. Gretavo over at WTCdemolition calls it “Truthageddon” and that seems to as good a title as I can come up with so I borrowed it. (H/T Gret)
Apparently there is some guy named Charlie Veitch (who I have never really heard of) who was supposed to be a Truth advocate for a while. He actually refers to himself as a former “priest” in the religion of “conspiracy theorists”. Anyway, this Charlie guy agreed to go on a paid tour of 9/11 related sites with the BBC as a representative of the Truth movement. The idea goes something like this; take 5 “truthers” on a tour in the United States, have them talk to the “experts” like people from the CIA and apparently a demolition company (CDI perhaps?), and then watch as they convert to the official story.
“I got my mind right boss. I got my mind right” Cool Hand Luke
The BBC filmed the whole thing, paid for it all, paid Charlie and company for their time, and now they are probably in post production getting ready to air it sometime close to the anniversary of 9/11. In an interview Charlie did with Max Igan (video at the end of this article) he mentions all the “experts” he spoke with on the tour and recounts the photos of evidence they showed him. He even mentioned that they took him out to California to “witness” an experiment involving BYU’s “nanothermite” distraction, which he says can’t cut steel beams. A whirlwind tour, first-class all the way, and all Charlie had to do was get his mind right. That was his price of admission. And he paid it.
Charlie now claims that he has seen the light and all of us who have studied the official story for years and have come to the conclusion that something is very wrong with their version of what happened on 9/11, well, Charlie now calls us “conspiranoia” (see what he did there? A nice little blend of “conspiracy theorists” and “paranoia”. How clever of him). He also spends a lot of time ranting about the “Islamists”
Charlie set the whole thing up quite nicely actually. According to a report on the Intel Hub (via Federal Jack), Charlies girlfriend set up a stop for Richard Gage’s bullshit “nanothermite” centered European Tour and Charlie spoke at it as well just 10 days prior to his BBC trip. Surely it takes longer than 10 days to put together a trip like this one shooting all over the US, hotel accommodations, ground travel, demonstrations, “experts”, ect. ect. Charlie and his girlfriend certainly knew what they were about to do so the efforts with Richard Gage’s appearance at Cambridge was simply a staged effort to help build his Truth street cred. Didn’t work.
I watched the entire video of the audio interview Igan did with Charlie. Igan gave him an honest opportunity to explain himself and he didn’t attack him or harass him at all.
Charlie’s answers to most of Igan’s questions were vapid to say the least and at worst, at times, rather misleading and disingenuous. Charlie goes on and on with outdated, poorly articulated debunker tricks like trying to claim that the Twin Towers were “mostly air” and even at one point tried to claim there was only one column in the core of the towers. Max quickly corrected him on that. Whenever Max brought up a good point about the physics of the supposed collapse and how it didn’t follow the laws of physics, Charlie (like most uneducated debunkers of our past) would have to revert to the old stand-by “well, we aren’t engineers, so what do we know?” ruse. In fact he does that quite often during the interview. He should have a tee-shirt made up with that printed on the front and the back just in case someone missed it the first 40 times he says it.
In short, Veitch’s effort here is a very poor effort indeed. If he wants to play the role of the converted “truther” he’s at least going to have to do some basic research into the current debunker lines of debate. His shit is outdated and frankly quite pathetic. Ultimately his entire schtick boils down to “someone would have talked by now” which simply exposes that he is either completely unaware of the many successfully kept secrets in the past which involved tens of thousands of people (the Manhattan Project just to name one) or he is desperately trying to maintain his converted credibility by spouting anything he can in a futile attempt to remain relevant to the establishment media as their new reformed poster boy.
Max Igan does a really good job with the interview. He kept a level head, let’s Charlie off the hook once or twice just so he can string him along, and I think he exposed Charlie Veitch for the fraud that he is without having to actually say it.
I have often joked that I should become the poster child for a converted “truther” movement. Got to be good money in it. I could find some silly event, base my so-called conversion on it, and then clean-up on the MSM circuit and maybe write a book or two (or have them ghost written like Ventura does), then retire to a nice little house down in Mexico beside those other two frauds, Jesse Ventura and Alex Jones. Adopt the “if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em” tactic.
Charlie Veitch, the self-proclaimed high “priest” of the Truth movement beat me to it. Charlie says he’s going to make a documentary about his unconvincing “conversion”. I wonder how long till the book comes out. Plus you know you are going to see this guy on every MSM network after the BBC piece is aired. cha-ching! Looks like Charlie decided to get paid and all he had to do was sell his soul for a little establishment credibility. Shouldn’t surprise anyone as it happens every single day in every single university and corporation in America. And we should expect a few more Veitches to leach themselves out of the movement in the next few months, looking to cash-in on their 10 year anniversary marketing opportunity.
The first part of the Max Igan interview is below. If you want to listen to an obvious liar muddle his way through a discussion with Max, go right ahead. It’s worth a laugh or two.