Noam Chomsky on Taming the Bewildered Herd

(The “crisis of democracy” in the 1960s gave birth to the Lewis Powell memo of 1971 which served as a blueprint for how they needed to retake control of America, and by that I mean the corporate and banking elites and the special class of their servants in politics and the media. From that was born the “think tanks” and the Libertarian Party and basically the need to instill the neoliberal ideology that would later permeate our society’s “special class, ie. the “Washington Consensus” )

Noam talks about how Walter Lippman defined modern “democracy” – “you need something to tame the bewildered herd (so they don’t cause trouble) and that is public relations or manufactured consent…. the media, the schools, the popular culture has to divide for the political class… it has to instill the proper beliefs.”

“and if the specialized class (politicians like Ron Paul, Clintons, Bush, Obama, ect. and media figures like Wolf Blitzer, Glenn Beck, Rachel Maddow, Jon Stewart, ect.) can come along and say “I will serve your interests” (to the elites) then they will be allowed to be part of that group…. that means they have to have instilled in them the beliefs and the doctrines that will serve the interests of private power. Unless they can master that skill they are not part of the specialized class.”

Part 1

“State propaganda, when supported by the educated classes, and when no deviation is permitted from it, can have a big effect. It was a lesson learned by Hitler and by many others and it has been pursued to this day…. the Business community learned alot from the successes of the Creel Commission and creating the Red Scare and its aftermath and in fact the public relations industry underwent a huge expansion at that time” Noam Chomsky

The Vietnam Syndrome – the “sickly inhibitions against the use of military force”

Part 2

Part 3

Advertisements

54 Responses

  1. Stampede the herd, somebody…something. Get it moving, kick it in the ass, and get out of it’s way. Let it run down the chuck wagon, smash it to splinters, trample the strongbox and all it’s gold back to dust, do whatever…

    Even if that would just start the whole process all over again, at least we’d catch a bit of a break and feel better about ourselves, being such a herd.

    r ap

  2. Mr. Chomsky knows a thing or 2 about “taming the herd” and “manufactured dissent”. Just ask him about JFK or 9/11(or anthrax,or the crotch bomber false flag etc.) and watch him tell you how none of it matters. Sorry, had to go there….

  3. Yeah, Roy….. let’s see that herd move !!!!

  4. […] Noam Chomsky on Taming the Bewildered Herd […]

  5. Chomsky is a great communicator, good voice, nice intangible human qualities. He is a perfect trustworthy figure.

    His value to the establishment in keeping the left leaning peace oriented part the herd in check is hard to overstate.

    I love his line from Noam….
    “State propaganda, when supported by the educated classes, and when no deviation is permitted from it, can have a big effect”

    How true! The NPR crowd, Amy Goodman, and these Volvo driving, Global Warming shilling, allegedly war opposing stiffs have a huge impact on well meaning liberals who oppose war. On 911 truth and numerous other ‘too hot to handle’ issues these hacks are all in with the fascists.

    FoxNews, CNN etc, target people who are racist, cold hearted, fearful and caught up in the myth of American military glory……….and they manipulate them into supporting more war.
    This is not difficult, propaganda for dummies 101, and we all see through it.

    The true propaganda masters of today, the real Gobells of our time, the talented evil geniuses who trick peace loving people into accepting more war, they are personified by Noam Chomsky. Establisment liberals enjoying the spoils of war while the placate the masses and keep them docile within the accepted narrative of our fascist rulers. Without this Chomsky wing of propaganda, the whole thing might come down like a house of cards?

  6. somebody, you enunciate, if a bit more harshly than I would, why Chomsky is so damaging. The large segment of population that would be open to things like 9/11 truth are sadly as swayed by various media hacks as the unreachable sheep who buy into the Beck/Fox variety of media spin. This is not to say that Chomsky or Goodman are as blatantly offensive and shillish as Beck, Chomsky has in fact spoken many harsh truths but is he any less damaging in his own way?

    It’s like that example from Zwickers book about a friend of his who said-“well if Chomsky isn’t talking about 9/11 being a fraud there must not be anything to it”. People trust a guy like Chomsky, hes built up a lot of cred over the years as has Goodman and others who defang the “left” anti-war movement by leading them away from root causes such as 9/11. No progress, the status quo stays and ignoring things like 9/11 helps make that possible.

  7. Out of all the so called anti-war left activists, Chomsky’s response to the 911 question was the most offensive. He almost seemed frightened and desperate to persuade people to forget it bc it doesn’t matter. All other 911 deniers get beatings from the 911 truth movement, why not Chomsky…hero worship perhaps?

    Read Chomsky’s email interactions between him and Kevin Barret about 911. He’s afraid to have conversations if topic involves 911 truth….I ask why?

    Chomsky is not even willing to call Israel an apartheid state(Israel is much worse than an apartheid state…at least the white South Africans didn’t shower black South Africans with white phosphorus.)

    Chomsky can’t even acknowledge that AIPAC has tremendous power over America.

    Chomsky was even against sanctions on Israel…but thought sanctions against South Africa was a okay! Not only that but instead of Israel, he wanted sanctions to be placed on America WTF?! Now I despise America…but lets be honest the foreign policies in the last few decades have not been made by Americans or for the advantage of America…we know who pulls the strings in the background and for which tribe’s advantage.

    Chomsky is the typical so called anti-Zionist Jew…always shifting blame and more attention to America’s crimes and calling for its destruction somehow…but if asked sanctions on Israel? No that would be too harsh. America would not have had a 911, Iraq war, Afghanistan war, killed Pakistanis by drones, show anti Iran and anti Yemen, present Islamophobia, installed naked body scanners if it were not for Israel and its Israel-first Zionist Jews and their good shabbos goys…if you find that offensive sorry it is the truth. Not going to be politically correct for you.

  8. Chomsky was once described by the New York Times as “the most important intellectual alive.” He (and Amy Goodman) would instantly be consigned to intellectual oblivion if they even so much as suggested that the official version of 9/11 might not be true, or that the Mossad might have had a hand in pulling it off.

  9. Whocares, as a 9/11 activist since 2003 I can assure you we do not all give him a pass. I have personally contacted him about both 9/11 and some of his positions on Israel and I always call him out about 9/11 when his name comes up. His conversation with Barrett closely resembles the ones I had with him with his evasiveness and generally smug attitude.

    The “it doesn’t matter” line by him is truly pathetic but it fits a pattern with him-he said the exact same thing about the JFK hit and how it didn’t matter who did it. As if the American people finding out either 9/11 or the JFK hit was a fraud done by “allies” and Americans wouldn’t have any effect at all. It would have more of an effect than anything hes ever said in his entire career.

  10. Yes TCarlson, a ringing endorsement and free press from the NY Times, the paper that even in this age of dying newspapers is still capable of greasing the skids for war like no other media outlet can. Gotta wonder why they would be propping him up huh? Don’t make me say it, it rhymes with “bankrolled proposition”…..

  11. Hi, Jan

    Thanks for your message of a few days ago. Much appreciated.

    r

  12. Controlled opposition. There I said it for you Chris. Its good to know not all 911 truth activists have unconditional support for notable antiwar figures. With the exception of the support for Chomsky and who is begind 911, I agree with Scott on almost everything… regardless keep up the good work Scott.

  13. You got it Whocares. Did the “bankrolled” part give it away? Come on Scott, you hold Steven Jones place of employment against him(I’m not saying you are wrong to be suspicious of him-I’m glad that you and others are) so you have to admit MIT is an intel hotbed.

    I agree with Whocares though, still love the site and read it frequently. And I do see why you post stuff about Chomsky, I agree with much of what he says. Just know why I’ll always be there to remind you why he is not to be trusted 🙂

  14. The truth is somewhere between Chomsky and the idiots who quote from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

    Look at the Military Industrial Complex in the USA.

    That is the source of all the wars.

    The Zionists are merely steering it.

    Chomsky tells the truth about the military industrial complex, but not so much about Zionist control.

    Others tell the truth about the Zionists, yet forget about the momentum of the military industrial complex.

    In other words, get rid of the Zionists, you will still have the warmongers.

    Israhell gets $3-4 billion a year from the USA, the military industrial complex gets 100 times that.

    Who do you think is the real power? The MIC doesn’t care who they drop the bombs on, as long as the contracts keep coming in.

    For the contracts to keep coming in, they need war – any war.

    Thank gawd the USA is collapsing economically.

    From this point of view the Zionists may paradoxically be the greatest peacemakers in the world, by destroying the greatest warmaker.

    google ziofascism

  15. Mental , you did not just mention the “Military Industrial Complex”? LOL. Its funny anytime anyone says “Jews” somebody reverts attention away from their crimes and then nags everyone to say “zionists” or “its the MIC”….bc not all Jews are at fault. Which I agree with, but with that logic is it fair to say Zionists control America? My neighbor is a Zionist…but he has absolutely no power just a regular guy…he doesn’t control anything. What should I label them then, the MIC? Who is the MIC, this mysterious entity with no names or specific details…reminds me when Alex Jones blames it on the Luciferians and NWO…very vague keeps you chasing ghosts. The ones in power just happen to be Jews, so when I say Jews, please don’t misunderstand…I mean the elite Jews. The elite Jews are definitely in control, they will have no regrets sacrificing even their fellow Jews who have no power.

    “Thank gawd the USA is collapsing economically. ”

    You just gave yourself away. So its not enough for you that there are millions of Americans jobless and homeless? You want more?

    In pre-WW2 Germany the banks with hyperinflation caused Germany’s economic disaster. Who was in charge of most of the banks in Weimar Germany? Well according to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum website and Nahum Goldman from his book “My life as a German Jew”, the Jews did. From ushmm.com “Jews were disproportionately represented in some areas of the economy, such as journalism, law, medicine, and retailing.” Anytime the elite Jews are in control of a country things go so well doesn’t it? Is the Federal Reserve planning on a hyperinflation for America so its economy will collapse?

    Rule of thumb, majority of the things the ADL says is not true…most likely is true and you better make sure you check whatever they are denouncing as false even if they call you crazy for believing it….which would include the Protocols of Zion…if you have not read it then don’t bother lecturing me or being condescending about it…after all Albert Einstein(our friend who hung out with terrorist David Ben Gurion and helped invent the nuclear bomb) did say “Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance”.

    Orwell and Huxley have nothing on the Protocols of Zion. Everything Orwell, Huxley predicted were already written in the Protocols before they predicted it.

  16. Innocent Jews have been expelled from numerous countries in the past. You initially feel bad but then you have to ask why? If a family gets evicted you feel sorry for them, but if they got evicted 20 times…you would continue to feel sorry for the children,but question the parents, they have to be doing something that is causing this. The parents are the elite Jews who have been the reason for antisemetism in the past, present and probably future if they don’t stop…unfortunately the innocent powerless Jews get blamed as well.

    Lets see the Protocols shall we?
    Protocol:
    2. Economic wars. Has the Federal Reserve been causing economic crisis on purpose or not? Is Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers banks corrupted or not? Is the IMF not a globalist corrupted world banking police? Is the World bank not the same? Let me ask you who is and or has been disproportionately in charge of the Federal Reserve, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, IMF, World Bank? Are the Rothchilds Jews or not?

    9.Re-education. Why is it that we are not taught that Christopher Columbus and crew left Spain the same day Jews were expelled from Spain? Why is it that there is a $200,000,00 museum dedicated to a genocide that happened thousands of miles away in Washington DC, but not of the very genocide that happened on the American soil…instead we celebrate the man responsible for that genocide on Columbus day? Why does supposed holocaust victim and nazi hunter write a book speculating about Columbus being Jewish? Why is it that we know white peoples’ role in black slavery but not about the Jewish role? Why is it that we are not taught about the treatment of Palestinians?
    Why is it that we learn so much about the holocaust but little to nothing about the people that were massacred in the Soviet Union?

    11. The Totoalitarian State.Afraid of Big Brother? Did you hear Google has been stealing emails, passwords, wifi data? Afraid of Google’s satellite that has a picture of your house, or Google’s street view? Ever questioned Facebook’s privacy violations? Guess who owns Google and Facebook? Yup Jews. Is the truth antisemetic?

    12. Control the press. Well Jews Joel Stein, Neal Gabler, Israeli Simcha Jacobovici will tell you themselves who controls the media…they agree Jews control the media…they invented hollywood…where pro-war, pro Israel, countless holocaust movies are made.

    Quote from protocol number 12, section 8:
    “For which reason all journals published by us will be of the most opposite, in appearance, tendencies and opinions, thereby creating confidence in us and bringing over to us quite unsuspicious opponents, who will thus fall into our trap and be rendered harmless. ”
    Noam Chomsky vs Alan Dershowitz, Norman Finkelstein vs Alan Dershowizt, Glenn Greenwald vs Elliot Spitzer, Alan Grayson vs Ben Bernanke, Barney Frank vs JP Morgan Chase Home lending CEO David Lowman…notice the pattern?

    13. distractions. Again Hollywood, television American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, Gossip celebrity shows, award shows

    “WE FURTHER DISTRACT THEM WITH AMUSEMENTS, GAMES, PASTIMES, PASSIONS, PEOPLE’S PALACES …. SOON WE SHALL BEGIN THROUGH THE PRESS TO PROPOSE COMPETITIONS IN ART, IN SPORT IN ALL KINDS: these interests will finally distract their minds from questions in which we should find ourselves compelled to oppose them.”

    Peoples palaces, MTV cribs Sumner Redstone. Propose competitions in sports in all kinds. Which stupid network sets up competition in just about every idiotic thing? Bravo(from cooking, hair dresser, stylist, modeling etc)…Bravo is a subsidery of NBC…who owns NBC…Jeff Zucker. Who owns disproportionate amount of sports teams, according to a Jewish website, Jewishachievements, well Jews do of course.

    14. Assault on religion. Which religions are always getting bad press? Islam and Christianity(from insane Iranian clerics, Islamic terrorists,Christian pedophile Priests). Which religion and group of people get a pass? The New Atheist movement, which have been responsible for the increasing Islamophobia among atheists (Draw Muhammad Day)…always repeat neocon lines and attack Christians and Muslims…but never Jews, Judaism or Israel Who are the New Atheists? Richard Dawkins(not Jewish but wants an atheist lobby as powerful as AIPAC), Sam Harris(Jewish, thinks the internet is dangerous bc of the 911 conspiracies but doesn’t think his constant Islamophobia is dangerous), Christopher Hitchens(Jewish, former Trotskyst, current Neocon), Bill Maher(Jewish, Zionist atheist, his movie
    Religulous attacked Christianity, Islam but gave a pass to Judaism, the most he didwas attack a religious Jew not for Judaism but for being anti Zionist). The Zeitgeist movie conveniently forgets to mention Israel’s role in 911, but has time to disprove Jesus for Christians.

    18. Arrest of opponent. 16 countries make it illegal to simply question historical facts for which group of peoples’ genocide? The Jews. The following Holocaust revisionists have been persecuted for simply disagreeing with history: David Irving, Robert Faurisson, German Rudolf, Fredrick Toben, Mark Web’s IHR building in California, even Jew David Cole.

    AIPAC, CAMERA, JINSA, JIDF all anti Israel watch dogs threatening you if you say anything about Israel.

    Then they have the audacity to say Muslims area threat to freedom of Speech.

    21.Loans and credit. Usury has been looked down upon by both secular and religious people. Both Christianity and Islam forbid usury completely. Which is the only religion that allows usury as long as they are not practicing that on their own people bc it would be a sin? Judaism, thats right usury forbidden except on non-Jews. The Federal Reserve aint getting rich interest free.

    22. Power of gold. The gold standard has been endorsed by Zionist Ayn Rand, Libertarian Milton Friedman, now the World Bank.

    And one last thing. We constantly hear about Hitler(tv shows, 24/7 coverage on History channel, national geographic) but nothing on Stalin, Vladimir Lenin, Leon Trotsky? Why is the Jewish role in Communism never mentioned? Suppressed information: Karl Marx’s(Jewish) invention of the Communist Manifesto which ridiculed religion like the modern day New Atheist movement is doing, to Vladimir Lenin’s(Jewish, source jewishachievments.com) and Leon Trotsky’s(Jewish) Bolshevik Revolution and the massacres they caused, to Stalins Jewish right hand men Lazar Kaganovich, Genrikh Yagoda who executed the orders given to them from Stalin by slaughtering the people of the Soviet Union(ever heard of the Holodmor?). It was Karl Marx’s Communist Manifesto that influenced all these psychopaths including Mao Zedong, Pol Pot into committing unmentioned genocide. Karl’s Marx’s influence lead to the deaths of about 100,000,000…they were all Communist regimes,,,but all we hear about is Hitler and the holocaust. Why? Read Ynet article “Stalins’ Jews” and see who made up majority of the Bolshevik leaders. Kind of like Bush the Goyim taking all the blame while the Jewish Neocons who’ve planned the Iraq war,Afghanistan wars, regime changes in Iran and Syria and North Korea are rarely mentioned and hiding in the background like Stalin the goy taking all the blame while the Jews in the background are not known. Why is that in Soviet Russia Christians, Muslims were persecuted while Antisemitism was outlawed?

    Anytime elite Jews are running a country(Russia, Germany, America) it eventually is destroyed either by wars, death economic collapse.

  17. Forgot this:

    18.
    Arrest of Opponents:

    JFK gave a hard time to David Ben Gurion about Israel’s nuclear weapons…then died.

    RFK made AIPAC’s former organization the American Zionist Council to register for FARA, Foreign Agents Registration Act. Died a couple of years later.

  18. Sorry for going off topic…Mental’s comment got me angry.

  19. Whocares- could not have said that better myself. You simply cannot downplay or ignore these facts if you are truly after the truth. Not sure if everyone here is on board, but those are the facts.

    Chomsky raises important issues, but doesn’t give the full story and talk about who is pulling the strings. Therefore, he’s mostly a distraction, limited hangout type of disinformation agent (knowingly or not) that is used by the Jewish crime network to hide their dirty deeds.

  20. If you want to stir up a little debate in a Truth forum, post up something by Chomsky, and sit back and watch.

    Nice discussion folks, lots for me to think about. But if you would, just let me toss a few things out there.

    1. I’m 44 years old. Chomsky was running around in his spare time (being charged with crimes back in those days, mind you) back in 1961 giving speeches about how we didn’t need to be sending advisers into Vietnam. That’s 5 years before I was born and I don’t know, several decades before I “woke up” to what really runs this country.

    Back in those days, he “spoke truth about power” well before the cliche was created as he tried to tell the liberal left their hero, JFK, had authorized the use of napalm and agent orange, for use against the civilian population, long before Johnson staged his false flag op in the Gulf of Tonkin.

    There is a quote from the play from which my namesake is derived… “Attention must be paid” and it is about paying respect to those who have come before us. Something to think about. His age doesn’t make him worthy of your respect, how he has chosen to live his life should.

    just my opinion

    2. For those here who seem to think that Chomsky would somehow change the course of the Truth Movement were he to just admit what he must by now know, that’s not very realistic.

    And this is why.

    Noam Chomsky is with one possible exception, the most marginalized activist intellectual in modern history. Both the right AND the left work diligently to make sure he is not heard, read, or given a pulpit from which to speak.

    Only Norman Finklestein (possibly Ralph Nader as well) is more marginalized these days.

    When Zwicker tried to suggest that Chomsky was holding us back in his book by giving the example of “what his friend told him”, to me that was a glaring example of the difference between Chomsky and Zwicker.

    Let’s not forget Zwickerr’s recent endorsement of the “fly over theory”, ok?

    Fact is, Zwicker tries (apparently successfully since someone here just mentioned that quote) to suggest that just because his “friend” said something (with no proof that anyone said anything) that must in fact make that statement true. Obviously it doesn’t, but here were are with that very quote used to bolster the argument against Chomsky, right up there in one of the comments.

    Look. Maybe Zwicker is well-meaning in that, but at best you can say it is poor analytical form. Just because one person says something doesn’t make it so.

    Were Chomsky to come out tomorrow and make a statement saying he believes 9/11 was a false flag operation, does anyone here really think that all of a sudden the leaders of left would someone leap over themselves to get to a mic so they can agree with him?

    That’s absurd.

    Chomsky is not holding us back. If you are looking for a scapegoat, do yourself a favor and find another. Go to the library, read Failed States and then tell me how Chomsky is “controlled opposition”

    3. I don’t like being told by so called “leaders” of the Truth Movement, what I can and can’t read, what I can and can’t post, what I can and can’t research, what I can and can’t talk about. I don’t like it.

    You ALL must think back and look at how much time is spent trying to keep members of the Truth Movement from reading, watching, listening to Noam Chomsky. Think about it for a minute.

    Think about who it was that started the hating on Chomsky routine. I remember a little while ago, Cosmos (anyone here not know that Cosmos is controlled opp?) went down to Australia (how do you think he pays for these little jaunts?) and led off his discussion by railing on Chomsky.

    why would he do that?

    Remember, Chomsky is the arguably most marginalized activist intellectual in this country right now (maybe David Ray Griffin, but he is taking a break right now due to his illness) so of course those people in the Truth movement will try to keep others from reading his work or listening to him.

    Now don’t freak out… I am not claiming that people here are doing that.

    What I am saying is that many of us have been influenced by people who don’t want the Truth Movement to be exposed to what Chomsky does.

    Again, let me stress this, that is not to say that anyone here is doing anything nefarious.

    All I suggest is that we learn from Chomsky what we can, which is a lot, about what is going on, what has been going on. We need to do that with anyone who’s dedicated research helps us put the overall picture together.

    Chomsky doesn’t come out and make claims based on what a “friend” told him. He is a dedicated academic and researcher (like Chandler or Griffin in that regard) and when he makes a statement, you can bet your ass there is substantial evidence to back it up.

    Yes, his statements on 9/11 are troubling.

    Yes, a few members of influential intelligentsia would be swayed were Chomsky to take a different stand on 9/11.

    Yes, I would love to see Chomsky come out on this issue on the same side that I have after my many years of research.

    But he hasn’t.

    But he also doesn’t harp on targeting us. He only makes statements about the Truth movement when someone sticks a video camera in his face and demands he does so. Which might make one wonder about the motives of the persons sticking the camera in his face.

    9/11 did not happen in a vacuum. It is part of something that has been taking place in this country for some time. Some say it goes back to the attempted coup in 1933, some say it goes back to the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913, and I personally think both are correct and it even goes further back to the revolutionary war and the creation of our constitution and the Bill of Rights some time later.

    But however you look at it, Chomsky’s vast accumulation of work on this matter is invaluable to understanding what it is we are up against.

    Chomsky was anti-globalization before “globalization” was a word, and that’s a fact.

    All I am saying, is that the man’s work is valuable, it is NOT going to convert Truth advocates into Glenn beck fans, and it might even make the average activist a little more informed as to how dangerous and downright undemocratic this U.S. , British, Israeli agenda really is.

    and can that possibly hurt the average Truth Advocate? I don’t think so.

    that is why I post his work. that is why I will continue to post his work.

    for those of you who don’t agree, no hard feelings. we have enough seeds of division in this movement right now without looking for more.

    “attention must be paid”

  21. Now, for those here who are suggesting that Chomsky shies away from any discussion about Israel, I offer, just one article he penned yesterday, for your consideration.

    “The second threat of Iran is its support for terrorism. What’s terrorism? Two examples of Iran’s support for terrorism are offered. One is its support for Hezbollah in Lebanon, the other its support for Hamas in Palestine. Whatever you think of Hezbollah and Hamas—maybe you think they’re the worst thing in the world—what exactly is considered their terrorism? Well, the “terrorism” of Hezbollah is actually celebrated in Lebanon every year on May 25, Lebanon’s national holiday commemorating the expulsion of Israeli invaders from Lebanese territory in 2000. Hezbollah resistance and guerilla warfare finally forced Israel to withdraw from Southern Lebanon, which Israel had been occupying for 22 years in violation of Security Council orders, with plenty of terror and violence and torture.

    So Israel finally left and that’s Lebanese Liberation Day. That’s what’s considered the main core of Hezbollah terrorism….

    … What about Hamas? Hamas became a serious threat—a serious terrorist organization—in January 2006 when Palestinians committed a really serious crime. That was the date of the first free election in any country in the Arab world and the Palestinians voted the wrong way. That’s unacceptable to the U.S. Immediately, without a blink of an eye, the U.S. and Israel turned very publically towards punishing the Palestinians for that crime. You can read in the New York Times, in parallel columns, right afterwards—one of them talking about our love for democracy and so on and right alongside it, our plans to punish the Palestinians for the way they voted in the January election. No sense of conflict.

    There’d been plenty of punishment of the Palestinians before the election, but it escalated afterwards—Israel went so far as to cut off the flow of water to the arid Gaza Strip. By June, Israel had fired about 7,700 rockets at Gaza and all sorts of other things. All of that’s called defense against terrorism. Then, the U.S. and Israel, with cooperation from the Palestinian Authority, tried to carry out a military coup to overthrow the elected government. They were beaten back and Hamas took control. After that, Hamas became one of the world’s leading terrorist forces. There’s plenty of criticisms you can make of them—the way they treat their own population, for example—but Hamas terrorism is a little hard to establish. The current claim is that their terrorism consists of rockets from Gaza that hit Israel’s border cities. That was the justification given for Operation Cast Lead (the U.S./Israeli invasion of December 2008) and also for the Israeli attack on the flotilla last June in international waters where nine people were murdered.

    It’s only in a deeply indoctrinated country that you can hear that and not laugh in ridicule. Putting aside the comparison between Qassam rockets and the terrorism that the U.S. and Israel are constantly carrying out, the argument has absolutely no credibility for a simple reason: Israel and the U.S. know exactly how to stop the rockets—by peaceful means. In June 2008, Israel agreed to a ceasefire with Hamas. Israel didn’t really live up to it—they were supposed to open the borders and they didn’t—but Hamas did live up to it. You can look it up on the official Israeli website or listen to their official spokesperson, Mark Regev, and they agree that during the ceasefire there wasn’t a single Hamas rocket fired.

    Israel broke the ceasefire in November 2008 when it invaded Gaza and killed half a dozen Hamas activists. Then there was some rocket fire and far greater attacks from Israel. A number of people were killed—all Palestinians. Hamas offered to renew the ceasefire. The Israeli cabinet considered it and rejected it, preferring to use violence. A couple of days later came the U.S./Israel attack on Gaza.

    In the U.S. and the West generally, it is taken for granted, even by human rights groups and the Goldstone report, that Israel had the right to force and self-defense. There were criticisms that the attack was disproportionate, but they’re a secondary matter as Israel had absolutely no right to use force in the first place. You have no justification for the use of force unless you’ve exhausted peaceful means. In this case, the U.S. and Israel had not just not exhausted them, they had refused even to try peaceful means, which they had every reason to believe would succeed. The concession that Israel had a right to attack is just an amazing gift.

    In any case, according to the DOD and U.S. intelligence, Iran’s efforts to extend its influence, as well as its support for Hezbollah and Hamas, are what constitute, for the U.S. and its allies, the Iranian threat.”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22585

  22. “Come on Scott, you hold Steven Jones place of employment against him(I’m not saying you are wrong to be suspicious of him-I’m glad that you and others are) so you have to admit MIT is an intel hotbed”

    At first I didn’t hold Jones’ affiliation with neoconservative BYU against him (did you know BYU has a campus in Israel?). According to his first story, he was forced into retirement due to his work on 9/11 by BYU. Later, Jones came clean and admitted they gave him an early retirement, good pay, gave him an office and lab to conduct the work, “peer reviewed” his nanothermite paper, gave him a staff to “research” and write it, paid to have it published at the vanity press, and then once his task was completed, elevated him to professor emeritus status, giving him even more money and respect at the institution.

    That’s a bit different than forcing him into early retirement, isn’t it?

    I don’t really hold that so much against BYU as I do Jones’ dishonest characterization of what happened there.

    but yes, to answer your question, MIT is certainly an establishment supporting institution. And if you want to talk about their academic credibility, all you have to do is go back to the old cold fusion days and MIT’s discredited study on the subject.

    But for that matter, Steven Jones also played a role in that for the Department of Energy, if you care to remember.

    to my knowledge, Noam Chomsky had nothing to do with that one. just sayin

    Look. Chomsky is an academic thoroughbred. His tenure at MIT is one of the things that brings them international acclaim and probably helps brings students there. This is probably one of the reasons they don’t dump him like several institutions have done to Norman Finklestein. Of course, that is just speculation on my part. I don’t know.

    Yes, MIT is an intel “hotbed” as you put it, but there is a reason for that… MIT only accepts very smart people and the military industrial propaganda complex wants very smart people to help run their low intensity warfare campaigns.

    I’ve often wondered how many of these propagandists studied under Chomsky’s linguistics courses. Probably more than a few. So in that end, he is aiding this system I suppose.

    I don’t support everything Chomsky, I certainly don’t support statements he has made about us… but I also will not discredit or ignore the contributions he has made and continues to make.

    Life is like a buffet at Sizzler… take what you need and leave the rest. I don’t pay the price of admission then leave the restaurant hungry because there is something on the line that I don’t like. A gross oversimplification, but one that I laughingly think applies.

  23. Oh, so because Zwicker endorsed CIT we should discount literally everything he says? Somehow blaming “al qaeda” for 9/11 is worse and much more damaging to the overall cause of truth and justice ihmo. As far as what “his friend” said, forget it because MY FRIENDS have said similar things as well, about both Chomsky and Goodman. Yes, Chomsky DOES have sway, more than you think, and he DOES get at least some MSM press and has for decades. Again,that NY Times plug is pretty glowing. The NY Times always has an agenda, they do not promote people because they are dangerous to the establishment.

    People stick cameras in Chomsky face because he is either being a blatant liar or staggeringly intellectually dishonest in his treatment of 9/11 activism(again-a pattern he continues from his JFK obfuscations decades earlier). People have tried a more gentle approach and his answers have been no less ridiculous. You say give him a pass based on his previous work I say his previous work, while valuable in many ways has changed exactly NOTHING while his coming out strong for 911 truth would at least have some real impact. How much? I do not know, but again, more of a concrete impact than any of his previous work. No, hes not willing to “go there” and in fact has taken shots at those who refuse to be a coward like him and ignore 9/11-you know, the thing that made the 3 wars we are in right now possible. Regardless of how much impact it would have it is the right thing to do.

    No need for unity on everything. I’m cool with you posting his work as long as you’re cool with me throwing out my disclaimers about him 🙂 We should be demanding better from people like Chomsky, not making excuses for them. I understand why you value his work but as a 9/11 activist first and foremost I just can’t give him or anybody else a pass on this.

    We allowed the neocon/zionist/defense/banking/media establishment to “own” the 9/11 narrative and look what they’ve done with it and are still doing with it. Chomsky and those who ignore 9/11 cede that narrative and all that it makes possible to them. That is truly damaging. We could have used Chomsky on our side years ago instead of him and others giving an assist to said establishment.

    There will be another large false flag at some point that will reinforce and make stronger the neocon warmonger agenda that Chomsky and you and I hate so much. Will he yet again allow them to write the script(and wars) that will follow? His history says yes-he absolutely will.

  24. No doubt Scott, Steven Jones is highly suspect with or without his connections to a gov/Israeli connected school. He is making that more clear all the time.

    About your food analogy, I would argue that if there is poison in that food it is in fact worth throwing out or leaving the restaurant without eating. Now I dont want to go as far as saying Chomsky is poison but you know what they say about disinfo-most of it is true and its not about the 95% truth its about the 5% disinfo or omission. His purpose seems to be about keeping “the left” in the United States(He has reach elsewhere too) in line and keeping them from being too effective. If the “left” in this country strongly embraced 9/11 truth and made it an issue you don’t think that would help us? If Chomsky and others in his position(though he really is in a unique position with his influence on the left) made it an issue the people who read them would as well. Instead they are still walking around like zombies reinforcing the “al qaeda” boogeyman that makes the wars they are supposedly against possible.

  25. all these comments have been an eye-opening experience…….. a lot of facts that most people don’t know or have forgotten (the press and newly written history books designed that way?)……
    but Chomsky is still standing on the front lines, telling and warning those who will listen………. he’s a hero and I hope he lives until he is 200…. we’re going to need him.

  26. Yeah Jan, all the wars his speeches have stopped…er wait……

    Yes, many will never know the true facts of 9/11 and the underpinning of the phony “war on terror” thanks to not only the Glenn Becks,Hannities, Brian Williams’ and other establishment media hacks but also sadly in part because of “heroes” like Noam Chomsky.

    I’m not trying to be an asshole here but the hero worship is a bit much. It does however make my point for me-the guy has many fans and has real sway with many people. Which makes his silence that much worse. “A time comes when silence is betrayal”. We are way past that point imho.

  27. “Oh, so because Zwicker endorsed CIT we should discount literally everything he says?”

    I didn’t say that Chris. Nor did I mean to imply it. I have his book, towers of Deception, right here on my desk. Was just reading it again yesterday.

    The buffet theory of mine applies to Zwicker as well.

  28. “No need for unity on everything. I’m cool with you posting his work as long as you’re cool with me throwing out my disclaimers about him 🙂 We should be demanding better from people like Chomsky, not making excuses for them. I understand why you value his work but as a 9/11 activist first and foremost I just can’t give him or anybody else a pass on this.”

    You do what you feel you need to. It’s an open forum for debate here. At least, that’s what I try for.

    I appreciate the fact that people here don’t agree with everything I say or think. I set this site up because I was sick of echo chambers. I would hate to think that in the end I just created another one.

    You’re input is welcomed and encouraged.

  29. Good lively comments and many well informed differing views. I figured when this thread went up that Willy would eventually come back and defend Noam.
    Good stuff.

    As someone who appreciates his honesty on many issues and his ability to articulate his views, I still have no problem calling him out on 911 and several other too hot to handle issues.
    But the simple fact remains, nobody gets to be an influential lefty gatekeeper without first establishing some ‘credibility’. You have to tell truth on some issues to gain any respect from liberals, as it should be.

    But what is the purpose and intent and use of that credibility?
    If that credibility is simply the necessary foundation with which to deny and denounce 911 truth, the JFK assassination or any of the big ‘game changers’ then we have a different situation.

    The truth is truth, ugly beautiful or in the eye of the beholder, it has its own intrinsic value. For an intellect like Chomsky with his vast knowledge of politics and power, to contemptuously downplay 911 truth stinks. It reeks of calculation and triangulation. We are in opinion territory now.

    As for Chomsky being the most marginalized activist intellectual in the country….I respectfully strongly disagree.
    Minutes on CNN or coverage in Time magazine does not matter. The rise of new age activists with fakes like Arianna Fluffington, Sean Penn, Amy Goodman and their ilk, might make it appear like Chomsky is marginalized, but he still holds sway.
    Chomsky is still respected and quoted by intellectuals, upper class socialists, the birkenstock crowd, the PBS and NPR crowd and THAT is the audience he works and controls and steers AWAY from the game changing scandals like 911 truth. Within that group he is a hero, not some marginalized activist.

    His impact on the 911 truth movement, a bunch of smart lonely individuals with very little organization or leadership……….may be exactly as Willy says, insignificant.
    So if Chomsky were to stop lying about 911, and to support calls for a new investigation, it might not affect the ‘truth’ movement as it now stands………………….but what about the upscale liberal ‘denial’ movement?

    What about the millions of PBS/NPR people still voting Obama, still wondering why things are so bad? That is Chomsky’s herd, those are his people, I know, I used to be one of them. They are a powerful educated wealthy massive component of the herd. And right now they are blissfully chewing their cud on the way to the slaughter house because farmer Noam keeps em relaxed and comfy.

    Happy New Year

  30. Happy new year to you as well, somebody

    Yeah, I have been reading and keeping track of the discussion and I just couldn’t resist putting my 2 cents in.

    In all honesty, of course I am disappointed that Chomsky takes the positions he does on 9/11 and JFK’s assassination. As much as the man writes about state sponsored terrorism, you would think he would have a better understanding of 9/11 and in fact, I sometimes think he does.

    I posted an article a while ago in which I made an argument that Chomsky seems to be hinting at the truth of 9/11 without actually coming out and saying it. At least one reader here agreed with me. Perhaps that is just wishful thinking, but Failed States seems to be in that vein, but of course, I can’t be sure.

    I don’t think he is keeping the Obama crowd nice and comfy though at least not like the other people you mentioned are. Certainly not like Jon Stewart is, that’s for damn sure.

  31. Scott, you have to be asking yourself why Chomsky “seems to be hinting at the truth of 9/11 without actually coming out and saying it.” I have read much of what he has written and this seems to be so antithetical to how he normally approaches the subject of state-sponsored terrorism.

    I listen to Amy Goodman every day here in Santa Fe, too. She had David Ray Griffin on a while back, before Architects And Engineers For 9/11 Truth connected us with actual objective reality of 9/11. She hasn’t had much to say on the subject since. Why?

    Do you get the feeling that anyone who hopes to be a player in the MSM, be considered “the most important intellectual alive”, get funding from the big foundations (CIA), has to keep their mouths shut about certain things?

  32. True, I may have overstated the keeping the cows comfy point, but it was a nice metaphor and I just got carried away……….

    As to Chomsky at 911 truth, I do see some validity to that idea, because I use it in my evaluation of Naomi Klein.
    I value her ideas and books. Her ‘position’ in the left right media spectrum is arguably similar to Chomsky, minus the lengthy resume of work. She has to my knowledge never trashed the 911 movement, but has been coy in her response to it.
    For me, the passage about it taking a world wide conspiracy just to complete her book ‘The Shock Doctrine’ was her way of saying, wink wink, we all know the score.
    Why am I so willing to forgive her and not Noam?
    Nuance, gut feel and discernment. Maybe I am wrong about both of them?

    We are all smart enough here to be primarily issue driven, and to resist the temptation to follow the leader, since so many leaders are fakes. We all seem to be willing to adjust our views and road map as we move along based on new info……….that is our greatest strength and my last word on Chomsky.

    Jon Stewart would be a great candidate for demonstrating the principals of Karma to us all in 2011. His magicians trick of turning misery to comedy and truth to lies, makes him every bit as evil as Darth Cheney………whoops, there I go with the hyperbole again, sigh.

    Peace.

  33. Great discussion here, and Happy New Year to everyone! Great work Scott, I appreciate the work you do here.

    In my opinion, anyone with any intellectual honesty and dignity, including Chomsky and Klein, that is not talking about 9/11 is working against the free people of this world. I’m not trying to said that these folks- Goodman, Greenwald, Chomsky, Klein, ect.- don’t raise important issues or do good work in some areas. They do, for sure. But by ignoring the bigger issues, and as someone previously put it, the “game changing events” like 9/11 and JFK, which are so obvious to anyone who can sit down for 5 minutes and do some basic research, they are placating the Fake Left, Fake Anti-War/Imperialism folks out there. Zionism and the Jewish crime network that dominates and controls the global power elite are the real issues we need to be discussing. These are the people who are responsible for JFK, 9/11, and all the wars and destruction it has spawned. Notice how most of these folks mentioned above are in fact Jewish…..hmmmm. Something to consider.

    And I’m not implying that these folks are apart of the agenda, active agents for the Jewish crime network. But by ignoring Zionism and the role the Jewish crime network has in commanding and dominating the agenda, they are giving cover to it.

    I wrote about this here if anyone is interested: http://mrfriendsblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/coherent-perspective.html

    Thanks again for the work here Scott. I wish everyone the best in 2011!

  34. In response to “Whocares”:

    “You just gave yourself away. So its not enough for you that there are millions of Americans jobless and homeless? You want more?”

    Germany didn’t deserve it’s Weimar depredations, but the USA certainly does deserve ruin and the world will be a better place without all the warmongerers.

    As for the Protocols, maybe it does illustrate how teh fascist mind works, but you are still a fool to quote from such a dodgy source that is righfully considered by most people in the firm domain of kookdom. It’s Zioflypaper and black propaganda.

    Correlation does not equal causation, correlation does not equal causation…

    As for the MIC, is it owned by Jews, or by Wall St investors? Why are you so uptight about mention of the MIC?

    Don’t they get 100 times what Israel gets in aid, with the bonus that what Israel gets in aid comes back to fund the MIC in the form of weapon purchases?

    The MIC is a bunch of companies and think tanks right? How many of them are Jewish? Would they still want to make and drop bombs even if the USA was not under Zionist political control?

    These people don’t care where the war impetus comes from, and are perfectly happy to be fighting Zionist wars because they are ‘good for the economy’.

    So when the Zionists are gone, don’t expect the USA to suddenly be a peaceful country, unless the MIC is destroyed as well.

    That’s why it will be a good thing if the USA is utterly ruined, and the people get ahold of those weapons to get some justice.

    Empty cupboards is about the only thing that will wake up the HDTV sports watching masses.

  35. Mental, ever hear the phrase-“the tail wags the dog”? AIPAC is the single most powerful lobby(at least foreign policy speaking) in DC for a reason. Helen Thomas got fired for telling Israel to stop stealing land. Rick Sanchez got fired for pointing out that jews are not minorities in the US media. Chertoff sent home hundreds of Israeli spies and the media barely covered it. Israel gets more money than any other country on the planet from the US. Israel violates international law frequently and is never held accountable thanks to US protection. Israel has hundreds of nukes and we give them a pass. I could go on and on.

    That MIC you speak of is largely zionist controlled. Lets take a look at some of the more crucial people who took us to war in Iraq-Wolfowitz,Zakheim,Feith,Perle,Cheney just to name a few of the higher profile ones. What do they have in common? They put Israel first, like many of our jewish and non-jewish politicians/public servants do. Helping the economy was not their motivation.

    Granted many American warmongers have their own motivations for supporting Israel/US wars but to suggest that if we got rid of the zionist influence nothing would change is just not realistic. It would not be the end of the anti-war struggle but it would be a HUGE blow to the warmongers both here and elsewhere.

  36. wow! great thread! happy new year!

    to me, one for whom 9/11 and the jfk (and other) assasination(s) are so crucial, chomsky’s calling both 9/11 and the jfk assassination “irrelevant,” is key. there really is no coming back from those dealbreaker statements, unless and until chomsky does a complete 180.

    i had not head this before, as stated by chris — “you know what they say about disinfo-most of it is true and its not about the 95% truth its about the 5% disinfo or omission” — but it makes a whole lot of sense, and tends to reconcile the pros and cons voiced here re chomsky.

    that is, as somebody said, “…nobody gets to be an influential lefty gatekeeper without first establishing some ‘credibility’. You have to tell truth on some issues [e.g., failed states?] to gain any respect from liberals, as it should be. But what is the purpose and intent and use of that credibility? [Apparently, it’s] the necessary foundation with which to deny and denounce 911 truth, the JFK assassination or any of the big ‘game changers.’…”

  37. “As for the Protocols, maybe it does illustrate how teh fascist mind works, but you are still a fool to quote from such a dodgy source that is righfully considered by most people in the firm domain of kookdom.”

    Well “most people” also think:
    19 arabs are responsible for 911, that Israel is the victim and the Palestinians the aggressors, that the Federel Reserve is actually federal, that the Allies were the good guys in WW2, that the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings was the right thing to do, that Abraham Lincoln actually cared for black people, that there were lampshades and soaps made from Jews in the Holocaust, that 6 million Jews died(even though the Auschwitz plaque was changed from 3 million to 1 million, and the “6 million Jews dying/suffering” line was said before 1945, in 1919 by Martin Glynn, 1937 by Chaim Weizmann, Raul Hillberg doesn’t even say 6 million though his number 5.1 million would get you arrested in 16 countries)

    “Most people” also consider 911, JFK, government conspiracies to be in the “firm domain of kookdom”.

    I don’t let the “Protocols are fake” meme stop me from presenting the coincidences between the protocols and reality. The ADL would have you believe that people who think Jews control the media, control the Federal Reserve, were behind the Bolshevik Revolution and Communism are kooks. I guess I’m a kook then.

    “So when the Zionists are gone, don’t expect the USA to suddenly be a peaceful country, unless the MIC is destroyed as well.”

    What a strawman. Who here said all the world’s problems past or present were and are caused by Jews/Zionists? The civil wars in Africa, genocide in Darfur, Pakistani/Bangladesh war, separatist group terrorism etc are not Jew/Zionist created. However, the most significant problems starting from the 20th century and especially the 21st century that affect the entire world and its future are Jew/Zionist created. The money that the “MIC” gets, is funded for the Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan wars, now isn’t it? Who wanted regime changes and wars in those locations?

    The purpose of these endless wars is a setup for a needed world government which proposes to prevent wars…kind of like a worldwide Soviet Russia. They already accomplished the first steps with the creation of the IMF, World Bank, European Union, the useless UN(one of main people responsible for its creation was a communist and Soviet spy, Alger Hiss). The top members of the globalist CFR are disproportionately Jewish. The CFR has not 1 but 2 articles preemptively defending Jews…for some reason(titled “Why Jews” and “Don’t blame the Jews”). Strange, why no defense for the Christians and Muslims who get ridiculed daily in the “liberal” media, why no article countering all the right wing conspiracies of a Muslim domination?

    People are right in fearing globalization, the New World Order, one world government. Which is the only religion which says that when their messiah comes, all will be under a one world government , ruled from the world capital in Israel? Whether they are atheist or religious, the elite Jews and their Zionist goys are working to accomplish globalization, a zionist goal.

  38. Sorry whocares, but I am fully aware of 911 truth, chemtrails, vaccine and food safety issues, Bilderberg meetings where lackies get their orders, Federal Reserve and bankster fraud and the history of it.

    The Protocols of Zion read like a set up. Way too simplistic, way too revealing. They read like someone trying to fake the master game plan of the Zionists.
    Maybe, just maybe they are for real, but to me the odds are very strongly against that. You seem to be trying really hard to keep steering this thread back to Jew bashing. Trying too hard?

  39. Somebody
    “You seem to be trying really hard to keep steering this thread back to Jew bashing. Trying too hard?”

    My last comment before the 1:47 PM comment was on Jan 1st midnight. Then Mental responded to that comment, then I responded back…no steering of thread just how convos on the internet go. And Sigh. Oh dear, no one is bashing your precious Jews…as I’ve said I have no problem “bashing” the elite Jews or any elite in general…unless you equate the elite Jews with the regular ordinary Jews(I don’t).

    “The Protocols of Zion read like a set up. Way too simplistic, way too revealing. They read like someone trying to fake the master game plan of the Zionists.”

    I never said that was their master plan. Most of it already took place and is happening now whether you think it’s simplistic or not. People are always to easily dismissive of them without even having read them…yet those very people always say things like “Orwell warned us, 1984 blah blah etc”. Well 1984 and Orwell’s others works reads like the Protocols of Zion. All I gave was my opinion of the Protocols…is that considered trying too hard? My opinions are not facts, take from them what you will.
    You think the Protocols are BS, good for you.

    “Sorry whocares, but I am fully aware of 911 truth, chemtrails, vaccine and food safety issues, Bilderberg meetings where lackies get their orders, Federal Reserve and bankster fraud and the history of it.”

    No need to be sorry, we don’t have to agree.

    Oh and this comment was in no way trying to steer this thread into talking about the Protocols or Jewish control. I was simply responding to you…ok? 🙂

  40. I don’t see how it is possible to accurately describe and explain what has happened and is happening in the world today without talking about Zionism and Jewish power. Global power is a diffuse network of actors, and the Zionist/Jewish network is at the top, largely dominating and controlling the other actors. This network controls the United States and most Western governments, global institutions (IMF, World Bank, Bank of International Settlements), the Federal Reserve system and other international banks, and the Western media. They are behind 9/11, the wars it has spawned, and all the draconian police state/Big Brother policies implemented since that attack.

    I’m not Jew bashing or saying all Jews are involved. But it is a subject that we should be discussing.

  41. ok

  42. (hmm post didn’t go through first time… removing web addresses)

    I am doing research for an article about the relative importance of the military industrial complex and the Zionist controllers, and what overlap and cooperation there is.

    According to Wikipedia:

    “For the 2010 fiscal year, the president’s base budget of the Department of Defense rose to $533.8 billion. Adding spending on “overseas contingency operations” brings the sum to $663.8 billion.[1][2]”

    The aid to Israel on the other hand, amounts to $4 billion a year, much of which goes back to the MIC companies in the form of weapons purchases.

    After just now breaking off to do a search on Lougheed Martin, the largest of the MIC contractors(on the books anyway), it is exceedingly difficult to find valid information about who the majority stockholders are, probably Rothschilds again, or maybe it’s the old American Establishment whatever that may mean.

    As for the Protocols, _somebody_ is on the right track. I would add that as well as being a setup, tarbaby and Zioflypaper, it works to breed an unwholesome and anti-humanist worldview in the unsuspecting reader.

    ““Most people” also consider 911, JFK, government conspiracies to be in the “firm domain of kookdom”.”

    Actually according to polls most people believe there was something fishy about 9/11, and JFK.

    It is when you mix in this Protocols stuff, that people will head to the door. It just is too muddled in antiquity and strangeness… unless you want to believe that Joly was commissioned to make a copy of the real Protocols via plagiarism as some have stated, and not the other way around, well good luck promoting that.

    google ziofascism to find my recent article about the protocols entitled “Fascist Fool’s Gold”

    You can , however, prove to people that Zionists control the US Congress through AIPAC and other groups.

    Anyhow getting back to the MIC, how much more is their budget than that of AIPAC? I guess shareholder information is secret in the USA, that’s why I couldn’t find answers on Lockheed Martin?

    Isn’t that great, I can’t find any information on them, but they have all access to my information, having been contracted by the Government of Canada to process the national census!

  43. Mental aka Anachore. I remember you from the informationunderground, that forum banned you for whitewashing and ignoring the main culprits for our modern problems.

    And I’m flattered you wrote an entire article debunking the Protocols(unsuccessfully) the same day you conversed with me…even if you indirectly called me a fool. Anyways I won’t discuss the Protocols as it seems to irritate people. Don’t want to steer this thread in an unwanted direction.

    As for the MIC and Zionists…which would get mainstream media journalists fired faster, saying:
    1. The MIC controls America?
    or
    2. Zionists control America?

    Hmm…

  44. Whocares, I didn’t write that for you so don’t be too flattered… in fact the bulk of it was written before I talked to you, mostly dedicated to the fool Arthur Topham, who just banned me from anti-Zionist Canada for not taking kindly to spurious allegations of ethnic misrepresentations thrown my way as substitute for refuting my arguments.

    “I remember you from the informationunderground”

    So did you get bored of that echo chamber?

    About TIU, Ognir is a Yuppie investor type who doesn’t like questioning the integral class nature of the system, because let’s face it he makes money from usury. What would you call that?

    His pet Monkeyseemonkeydo is one of the moderators; his article about Israel and 9/11 brought a lot of attention and readers to TIU, so that’s Ognir’s pet.

    Unfortunately this pet monkey is one of the protofascist “all Jews are the problem” type, and bullies those who inject any nuance to the debate. Look over some of my posts and the hysterical ad-hominem laden replies and you will have to agree.

    I had thought TIU was a great site for a while, but the crackpots have taken over and Ognir is a transparent intellectual fraud and yuppie.

  45. great site
    happy new year

  46. You didn’t write that for me? Darn.

    The TIU has a diverse group of people with differing opinions(except when it comes to Zionists)…in fact many discussions can’t end without a needed referee to settle things down.

    I agree with you about Ognir and some of the other members. Monkeyseemonkeydo’s “Israel did 911” thread is excellent and a must read for 911 beginners, but he is an obvious closet white supremacist. He’s a Hitler worshiper and hypocrite who can’t see how similar white supremacists are to the Jewish supremacists he talks so much about.

  47. “As for the MIC and Zionists…which would get mainstream media journalists fired faster, saying:
    1. The MIC controls America?
    or
    2. Zionists control America?”

    Depends on if they work for GE/NBC?

    The Zios have more cultural control, but real powers like to lurk behind the scenes and let someone else take the publicity, Dick Cheney being the exception, or the connection of the MIC to the Zionists.

  48. awesum site
    great read
    happy new year

  49. […] via Noam Chomsky on Taming the Bewildered Herd « American Everyman. […]

  50. All this and a thousand stories like it will never improve your life unless you take away with you the roots of a simple idea. That idea is the reality that all you have learnt in life are lies based on someone elses desire to live off your labor, as though you were a draft horse. The idea that you are a slave, as bound as any negro slave of the old south was.
    Here in my home there is no TV, no radio switched on spewing its lies into my brain. In the street and the world at large I refuse to listen to salesmen, servey takers, idealists or political lackies. I am out, out of the sytem, out of the tax racket, out of the political merry- go-round.

    One day you will have to choose as well, choose wether to be a slave, a rebel, or simply a free man like I have become. You cant fight the system, and even if you could, why would you bother. You only live once human, so make the most of it and dont be fooled into fighting a war with no clear victors. Just remove yourself and let the storm pass you by. Heroes are just stupid people who the elites put up before you to encourage you to fight their next war. And why do they make wars? To cull out the herds of course, to remove the rebels and reduce the population to a more sustainable level.

    There is another war coming and believe me it is desperately needed in their eyes.

  51. […] When the people who own everything are interested in selling something to the rest of us, they go through media proxies. These vectors deliver the desired messages to their target audiences, and these vectors are salespeople chosen for their appeal to the demographic. The same principles apply for selling anything; Breaking Bad delivers viewers who are interested in stories of entrepreneurial artisanal craftsmen to advertisers the same way Barack Obama delivered progressive college students to Wall Street and the Pentagon. As a perceptive media critic, Noam Chomsky understands this, explaining that the ruling class requires: […]

  52. […] When the people who own everything are interested in selling something to the rest of us, they go through media proxies. These vectors deliver the desired messages to their target audiences, and these vectors are salespeople chosen for their appeal to the demographic. The same principles apply for selling anything; Breaking Bad delivers viewers who are interested in stories of entrepreneurial artisanal craftsmen to advertisers the same way Barack Obama delivered progressive college students to Wall Street and the Pentagon. As a perceptive media critic, Noam Chomsky understands this, explaining that the ruling class requires: […]

  53. […] When the people who own everything are interested in selling something to the rest of us, they go through media proxies. These vectors deliver the desired messages to their target audiences, and these vectors are salespeople chosen for their appeal to the demographic. The same principles apply for selling anything; Breaking Bad delivers viewers who are interested in stories of entrepreneurial artisanal craftsmen to advertisers the same way Barack Obama delivered progressive college students to Wall Street and the Pentagon. As a perceptive media critic, Noam Chomsky understands this, explaining that the ruling class requires: […]

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

%d bloggers like this: