The 6,000

by Scott Creighton (reposted from Aug. 11, 2009)

***UPDATE*** At the end of this article, I have added a plan view layout and cross-section of what I hypothesize as the potential det cord layout plan for a typical WTC floor.  Scott has asked how the cord may have been used, so I thought I would include the drawings.

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In yesterdays article titled “The 23,000 Missing Trusses of 9/11“, I questioned why it is that I can’t seem to find one single truss (of the 23,300+ of them from the Twin Towers) in all the photos of the debris and the clean-up process at Ground Zero.  I went further and hypothesized that the missing trusses may in fact be the mysterious “tons of iron-rich (read as “steel”) spheres” that Jones and others have found.  It would seem a logical assumption.

As odd as their absence from the debris field is, when you understand how these truss sections were fabricated and installed, it makes the story of the missing trusses an even greater mystery.  And perhaps an even bigger clue.

The 6,000

High above the Manhattan skyline, in the early 70’s, over 6,000 of these prefabricated floor sections were hoisted by construction cranes and then set into place by union steel workers fabricating the World Trade Centers.   On Sept. 11th 2001, according to the official record of that day, they simply fell and in so doing, disappeared into the history books as if they never existed.

typical 60' floor section WTC

typical 60' floor section WTC

I for one, would like to know how that is possible.

They were fabricated elsewhere and lifted and set in place by the construction cranes, as pictured.

Some consisted of 3 trusses but most were made up of 4.

18′ wide by 60′ long, they were welded together along with the transverse mounted trusses (3 Bridging Trusses you can see in the picture) and the corrugated metal floor pans that the concrete for the floors was poured on top of.

Two or more beams will be preassembled with steel decking and erected as a unit, to save erection time...”  Engineering News Record

I reported yesterday that the trusses were made of A-36 structural steel. I was wrong.  The columns were made of A-36 structural steel. The trusses were made of High-strength low-alloy (HSLA) which is quite a bit stronger than even A-36 structural steel, with a yield strength of up to 80,000 psi as compared to the 35,000 psi of A-36.

Clear span of the floorbeams is as much as 60 ft. They will be fabricated of high-strength low-alloy steels.”  Engineering News Record

Their (HSLA steels) yield strengths can be anywhere between 250–590 megapascals (36,000–86,000 psi). Due to their higher strength and toughness HSLA steels usually require 25 to 30% more power to form, as compared to carbon steels.”   Wiki

So in fact, the trusses themselves were made of stronger and harder metal than the columns were.

We know that the floors were brought in an set in place in sections, not just because the article from Engineering News Record says so, but also because we have photographic evidence that supports the claim.

Setting the Prefabricated floor sections

Setting the Prefabricated floor sections

In the photograph above, you can clearly see the floor sections are being set in place and one of them is laying on the lower floor (left side) waiting to be lifted installed.

From this other photo, we can see the same process.

Installing prefabricated floor sections WTC

Installing prefabricated floor sections WTC

When they were lowered into place as a prefabricated unit, they were bolted then welded to both the interior core columns and the exterior columns at the spandrels.

Then the next section would be brought in and it would then be bolted and welded in the same manner, but also then welded to the previous floor section at the floor pan and the transverse mounted trusses.

Prefabricated Floor section installation

Prefabricated Floor section installation

The end result, per floor, would look something like this prior to the pouring of the concrete floor.

Completed floor system waiting for concrete

Completed floor system waiting for concrete

Now why is all of this important?

According to the official explanation of the collapse of these two buildings, the upper section fell down on the lower, intact building, crushing the concrete into dust, and destroying the structural integrity of the building.

But no amount of pressure that could possibly have been generated by the upper block, or “piston”, can explain the virtual disappearance of the floor systems you are now looking at.

So what you should see, if nothing else, is at least several thousand of these lying scattered about the Ground Zero debris field.

about 6,000 of these in WTC debris?

about 6,000 of these in WTC debris?

Allow me to put this another way.

The standard size of these was 18′ x 60′. That equals 1,080 square feet of surface area for the floor pan.

A football field is 360 feet by 160 feet. That equals 57,600 square feet of surface area.

With those dimensions, it would take only 53 of these floor sections to cover an entire football field.  There were about 4,400 of these 60′ floor sections used to make the 220 floors of the Twin Towers.

That means that with just the 60′ sections alone, there were enough of these floor sections to cover 83 football fields. 83.

And again, I ask you, do you see anything that even resembles the floor sections (much less, 83 football fields worth of them)?

Trusses? Floor pans?

Trusses? Floor pans?

Trusses? Floor pans?

Trusses? Floor pans?

Trusses? Floor pans?

Trusses? Floor pans?

With 20 60′ prefabricated floor sections and 8 35′ sections per floor times 110 floors of each of the two World Trade Centers, that comes to over 6,000 welded floor sections that had to have “fallen” to the ground on Sept. 11th 2001.

I ask you to find one.  Just one.

I can find them for you. Steven Jones already found them for you (he just called them something else)  as did the RJ Lee study and the FEMA report.

They just look a little different now.

Floor truss after the fall

Floor truss after the fall

Now the question is, what could have turned the prefabricated floor systems into tons of “iron-rich” spheres in the blink of an eye?

My guess would be this.

PETN Det Cord

PETN Det Cord

***UPDATE*** As per Scott’s question, here is a hypothetical det cord layout plan view for one of the floors of the WTC.

click on image for larger view

Hypothetical det cord layout

Hypothetical det cord layout

In this drawing, the PURPLE lines are the theoretical det cord locations, the BLUE lines are the trusses, and the columns are in RED.

Now for a cross-section of where the det cord could have been placed in relation to the trusses and the concrete floor systems.

click on image for larger view

Theoretical det cord placement WTC

Theoretical det cord placement WTC

I hope this answers your questions Scott.

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47 Responses

  1. I couldn’t find any.. and I got my magnifying glass out and searcher with that…..
    those detonating cords look like cables….. you know… they could be anything….. someone could come in and run them everywhere and I wouldn’t think anything bad about those pretty cords! What a rotten thing to do to people…. Come in as a group who is upgrading the cable system and roll that stuff right in front of the future victims…… the entire thing was unspeakable… wrenchingly cruel and sadistic…. the murderers are still out there
    Great detective work, Willy…. I think you are right….

  2. scott,

    When the 9-11 commission reported on the destruction of these buildings, did they answer any of your questions? So, were they puzzled about what happened to these structural units? Did they try to explain where these ‘iron-rich spheres’ came from?

    Yes, you have good questions, but maybe the smart guys working for the 9-11 commission answered these conundrums.

    If they have answers, I don’t have the document, so I don’t know what those answers might be.

    I do have one of Griffin’s books, ‘debunking 9-11 debunking.’ I haven’t read it, but it is not difficult to locate some relevant sections.

    Here’s one,

    “As if all these problems were not enough, moreover, NIST’s account is contradicted by evidence, available in photographs and videos, of what actually happened. NIST’s account depends, as we have seen, on the idea that the collapse was finally triggered by “the tremendous energy released by the downward movement of the massive top section of the building.” NIST refers repeatedly to the “falling building mass” or simply the “falling mass.” However, as mechanical engineer Judy Wood says, with reference to photographs of the top of the South Tower when it starts to come down:

    “[A]s we can observe, the building disintegrates and there was no block of material…Given that the building disintegrated from the top down, it is difficult to believe there could be much momentum to transfer…After being pulverized, the surface-area/mass is greatly increased and the air resistance becomes significant…[T]his pulverized material can[not] contribute any momentum as it ‘hangs’ in the air and floats down.”

    Grffin goes on to make the point that NIST’s account of how the building collapses cannot occur as it claims because when the upper floors are pulverized, they cannot, on Griffin’s account, be the kind of mass that could keep destroying the rest of the building farther down floor by floor.

    According to Griffin, the creation of these ‘iron-rich spheres’ would seem to occur in this pulverization process, whatever it is.

    I suspect, then, that there is no explanation of the speres because they would have to acknowledge this pulverization, and then explain how the plane mass and the fires pulverized things in this way.

    I think of the problem like this: The Towers might be thought of as mountains, made of rock, dirt, some trees, but mostly rock. Each of these mountains were hit by big fast airplanes. There was an explosion and afterwards there was a fire on these mountains. Within an hour, though, a strange thing occured, the two Towers, each one a mountain, collapsed and nothing abouyt a couple of stories was left standing.

    The strange thing of this all is that you would not expect a mountain, let alone several of them, to collapse as they did, no matter how fast. Mountains are made of mostly rock, after all.

    The puzzle is trying to explain how the rock collapses.

    A side issue is trying to explain how a mountain collapses even when it is not hit by an airplane.

    Your problem is that the mountains seemed to have been turned into dust, your “iron-rich spheres,” and you just don’t see how airplane collisions and a little bit of jet fuel can pulverize a mountain of rock.

    I appreciate the interesting question of your post.

    • 911 report= waste of time. It is an advert or thumbs up for war. That is about all. Nist based conclusions on unprovables-The structure would stand had the fireproofing not been dislodged. With limited evidence studied,and the dust pulverized by collapse,one would expect the fireproofing to have been too. They did not (so far as i can yet find evidence of) test the dislodging of fireproofing by heavy impact. So they cannot say it even was dislodged.

  3. Willy, how was the det cord specificlly used in relation to the floor pans distruction? I hope im asking the question correctly to get the answer im looking for. If your not sure what im asking, then, ill rephrase it if i can. I guess what im asking is, how did they use the det coed to cause the complete distruction of the floor pans. was det cord wrapped around every truss?

    • Hi Scott:

      No, Scott, they wouldn’t need to put it on every single truss.

      Let’s take a look at another PETN detcord product: Primaline

      http://www.dynonobel.com/NR/rdonlyres/73892787-AD29-40CA-93A2-8D3251F543C3/0/Primaline.pdf

      If you look at the chart, check out Primaline 85. It is about 3/8″ thick, filled with PETN, a high explosive about 1.3 times more powerful that TNT and also burns MUCH hotter than TNT.

      “Pentaerythritol tetranitrate (PETN, also known as corpent, pentrite, or rarely and primarily in German as nitropenta or pentrit)[1], is one of the most powerful high explosives known, with a relative effectiveness factor (R.E. factor) of 1.66.”

      According to the manufacturers PDF, Primaline 85 contains just over 57 lbs of explosive (PETN) per 1,000 feet of cord.

      That means in a 200′ run of the stuff (the length of the sides of the Towers) you would have, using Primaline 85, approximately 10+ pounds of PETN. That’s a lot of high explosive per single cable run, wouldn’t you say?

      I am not exactly sure how much of it you would need to pulverize the floors and melt the trusses in the same shot. Perhaps a chemist or an engineer would be better suited to answer that. When I asked Jones to look into it over a year ago, he politely declined. Instead he spent his time with the “nanothermite” stuff that he himself says may have simply served as an “electric match” for some “other” explosive (a high explosive).

      My guess would be that they simply dressed their crews in some AT&T or Siemens uniforms and had them go in and pull cable on each and every floor. Who would even notice after the first day they were there?

      They would run the det cord up inside the dropped ceiling, right up under the floor pan next to or between the trusses (or through them).

  4. Interresting. OK how long an operation, setting this all in place, do you estimate was involved. IE. how long to install all this would it take? And I agree that guys in recignizible outfits would not ever arrouse any suspission. After all, they would have had the full cooperation of MR LARRY where there is sufficient evidence to show ” probable cause” of HIS involvment.
    And we also know who was in charge of Security.
    Therefore, we have all the right ingreidents to show that such an instalation operation could have very well been performed right under the noses of the office personel which gives strength to the forensic evidence shown here.

    • Scott:

      Not knowing the exact plan for the demolition, and not being an expert myself, it would be hard for me to even venture a guess.

      The best thing I could offer by way of estimating the time involved in the prep would be to again, refer to the 1998 JL Hudson building stats. It was about the same time frame (1998/2001).

      According to the CDI write-up on it, it took 24 days with 12 guys to prep that demo. The building was 1/2 the square footage of one of the Towers. So by those standards, you could reasonably estimate 48 days per building.

      Now, if you increased the size of the crew to 24? 48?

      But they had plenty of time to set the det cord. Over a year to be exact. That’s how long they were supposedly running the “cable upgrade” for the security company.

      What you would need right before the demolition, is someone to come in and hook up the remote detonators, the cutter charges, and probably do some drilling and packaging of those holes with RDX or whatever they were going to use.

      My guess is, that is what was going on right before the demolition. Perhaps during the “weekend powerdown” that a couple of people (and even securacom) have testified to.

      “Therefore, we have all the right ingreidents to show that such an instalation operation could have very well been performed right under the noses of the office personel which gives strength to the forensic evidence shown here.”

      exactly. No “1.8 million ceiling tile bombs” no “illegal immigrants” running around at break-neck speeds.

  5. Scott:

    I added two drawings to the article above so that you could see the exact locations and the layout of what I believe COULD have been the manner in which det cord was used to demo the floor systems.

    I hope it makes my theory a bit clearer for you and others reading this. I probably should have included them in the first place.

  6. I spent about a decade of my young adult life working on crews that put up CATV systems in towns all over the country. Way it worked went something like this: Engineers would come to town and draw up the system, construction crews would come in and hang the cable off those prints, leaving plenty of tail at every place that called for equipment, splicers would follow us to hang and splice in whatever equipment was called for, then the engineers would come back to fire up the system.

    We didn’t know, or care, what kind of cable we were hanging–just hung whatever it was they sent us, wherever they told us to hang it, then moved on to the next job.

    Could have happened pretty much the same way at the towers.

    R Ap

  7. “According to the CDI write-up on it, it took 24 days with 12 guys to prep that demo. The building was 1/2 the square footage of one of the Towers. So by those standards, you could reasonably estimate 48 days per building.”
    These demo jobs are more complex than just put in some explosives and hook it up.They have to weaken the structure,installing restraining cables at critical places,removing material lots of it, at many place in order to fall properly,the hundreds or in this case thousands of charges, must be timed correctly, they screw up a lot and the buildings do not fall properly,
    The BIG difference here is this place is OCCUPIED!,the others are STRIPPED BARE ,EMPTY SHELLs,the crews can walk around and set things up quickly,not in the WTC,this had to be placed inside the building spaces in completely hidden. NO HOLES in the WALLS ect! big job.
    You can imagine the complaints from the top cats in these high dollas spaces bitching like hell for a year about dust and noise?
    These guys must have been there for at least a year with probably a big crew and support staff,
    There are NO electricians that think det cord is wire they could spot it instantly,espically since it does not connect to anything.
    When this crap goes off it produces a hell of a brite trail or flash we should have seen on tape or flir shots,where are all the security can footage they should have picked up some of this flashing as thousands of yards go off in exact secquence.
    I am sure that larger explosives were needed in some spots not nibbled away previously,where the hell are the earthquake scismic monitor tapes,they should show a time lime of bumps?
    No way all.this hidden quickly installed,explosive stuff went off exactly as planed,just like in OKC there MUST have been live parts and pieces at groung zero,remaing unexploded portions of cord ect who hid the evidence?

    • Boo:

      I agree to some extent with a few of you points. Specifically, right now, the fact that no electrician would have been installing these det cords. I don’t think Roy was making that point. I think he was trying to show that it COULD have happened in stages, like I suggested, the first det cord installers coming in and prehanging the cords themselves and then later, someone comes in and hooks up the radio receiver detonators.

      Please correct me if I am wrong, Roy.

      But of course the people installing this det cord would HAVE to know EXACTLY what it was. This stuff is very dangerous, and besides, they wouldn’t want someone cutting sections of it off and taking it home to try and wire up their kids TV…

      Plus, when you cut it, as they would have to do to install it, there are no wires in it and no fiberglass (fiber optics)… it’s hard packed explosive dust. (PETN)

      There are very specific ways to handle the stuff and to cut it, so it had to have been installed by people who knew what they were doing and what they were handling.

      Next, to take up your last point there about the site AFTER the demolition. CDI was brought in immediately to handle the “clean up” after the demo.

      CDI is the leading explosive demolitions company in the U.S. and a major U.S. Government contractor.

      Immediately after 9/11, the entire site was closed down. Very carefully controlled. The CIA had people on the roofs of adjacent buildings with binoculars watching the recovery effort for months. They would call down to agents on the ground when they saw someone pick up something suspicious. This is a well known fact. They said it was because sensitive materials were located in the FBI, and Secret Service offices in Building 7, as well as the vault in Building 6 (u.S. Customs House).

      No cameras were allowed in the area except for the ONE FEMA photographer who was summoned to New York right after the first plane hit the first tower.

      So yes, you are absolutely correct again. The scene would have to have been carefully handled. Secrecy would have to have been at an all time high for a simple building collapse scene and they would definitely have had to bring in the demolition expert who designed the demo to cover the scene, and his tracks.

      And all those things did indeed happen.

      As far as the “orange flashes”… you are correct again sir. But what you don’t know, is that they WERE present, there IS photographic evidence of them, and there ARE tons of eyewitness reports that clearly describe them exactly as you just did.

      I wrote an article about that very thing and even included side by side comparisons to another “top down demolition” that used det cord… again click on the pictures for a larger, clearer view.

      https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2009/03/21/smoke-and-dust/

      read Deshore’s comment about what she saw that day. There were hundreds of statements just like hers left out of the 911 Commission Report.

    • I have only one comment having read a great deal of this thread already:
      Electricians, or more specifically electronics technicians, always run a trailing wire with the new Cat5/Cat6 upgrades if they have any sense, because that way you just detach the extra string, and connect more wires to it, and you can pull another wiring run through the same tube without having to get up in the ceiling and do it manually. So yes, you expect to have a cord of something that “doesn’t connect to anything”, but my only tip-off would have been if it was significantly fatter than a normal string.
      How big is DetCord?

      • Primaline 85 is 3/8″ in diameter. Roughly close to the size of CAT5 I think or at least close enough to fool most any casual observer. but it comes in all sorts of sizes and colors. Even different explosives as well. Hell, I found a company a couple years ago that would custom make it for you anyway you wanted it.

        • Sounds big enough that I’m not gonna mistake it for a nylon pull-line.

          • but the average office worker just mildly paying attention to the workers would mistake it for new CAT5 cable for the security system.

            • I’m with you on that, so far, but it means that we have a known group of people who would have to have been “in on it”, and not dupes, or they’d have blabbed even by accident.

  8. First, I wasn’t an electrician. I was a CATV lineman. That kind of cable also has to be handled in a certain way. No power or telephone lineman would have thought anything about it being there, or fucked with it in any way (unless it was in his way), anymore than we would have fucked with any of their stuff, or gave a thought as to why it was there.

    Second, as far as the thing about not knowing or caring what we were hanging, those who strung the det cord didn’t have to know they were hanging it to bring down a building full of people. They could have been under the impression it was there to bring it down quickly, in case of an unforeseen emergency.

    And, yes Willy, that’s exactly what I was trying to say–it could have/probably did happen in stages.

    One more thing: I’m a ‘conspiracy wacko’ (or whatever else they want to call it) right down to my bone marrow. I’ll never believe anything they try and tell me–ever again, not since the 60s, when I was in my 20s.

    R Ap

  9. …and when Miz Condi came out there and said, “Who’d have ever thought they’d use box cutters, and airplanes!”–well, that’s what sealed it for me.

    I knew it was an inside job right then, before the exclamation point was even out of her mouth.

    R Ap

  10. ok if it was det cord all over the place,they must have to had a wierd color jacket because the color IS the system anything like det cord is not just white or black tubing any maintaince guy cutting this stuf or hitting it with a plumbers torch would instantly know it was not foam insulated fo cable yes?
    securety on this cord would have had to account for every inch,or some of the janitors would take it home for fire crackerd ect. when it goes off it makes noise an inch of the stuff is like a big noise yes? In the normal movie bank robbers use a glob of plastic explosive as shaped charges with a blasting cap pushed in, every movie fan would notice this set up a each bar joist wall connection obviously,a professional would instantly spot det cord,or investigate a foreign system.
    great article very thought provoking and timely what a great movie/s will come from this.
    A few notes to add to the debate,rsmeans has the average man hours required to install fished cable,(fished through the tight web above the ceilings) they use a bow and arrows sometime to shoot pulling strings above the ceilings,is for sake of discussion 3/8″ say number 6 awg, al,my estimat about .060 mh a linear foot so maybe 2500 linear ft a floor? 2500x.060 18.7 man days per floor just for cableing abv ceil.?big job.
    The day this happened i watched and at first thought it was a cartoon computer generated, when the horror set in it seemed even stranger with melted metal fountains and long term chermoble like molten pools with no radioactivity. i even mused that the main colums could have thermite interior events funneled to the sub basements by tinkers dams or was it a failed nuek in the celler.Where to pools ever dug up?was there a pool in each bldg or one big one?
    The rubble has always reminded me of the Lambiance plaza collapse in hartfor under construction when the chips failed and down it comes no explosives needed.had no bar joists,even if the clips failed at each WTC barjoist connection pulling in the outside walls there still has to be a pile of it,go figure,

  11. ps the stuff probably has a very bad stink about it (primacord)also and even a tv cable guy can smell and try to figure out where it comes from yes?and where is all this powder from?
    pss thax willy interesting even vaporized bar joists leave peices even small ones you are smack on where are the remains.

  12. Consider this, how do we know that these d cords and charges weren’t in place long before 911,just like light bulbs and car tires, you know planned obsolesces, did I spell that right . Whats his name Silverstein or what ever it is said that it would take 100 ‘s of millions for the demolition of these building. Gee, how convenient for Larry and Goldman and sachs. false flag all the way.

    Truth
    Peace

    • Free:

      The idea that these things could have been pre-planted years prior has two main difficulties.

      1. Shelf life. Explosives have a shelf life like most other things. Manufacturers suggest about 3 years for most PETN stuff (det cord) and RDX is even less I think. They say that after a couple years the chance that they might not go off increases by like 50% or so, then continues to get worse year by year. So no one tasked with designing this demo would trust older explosives that had been planted that long ago. Again, we are talking about an industry that values above all else, control. They HAD to know exactly what each charge would do, and when it would do it.

      2. Exposure. There were thousands of workers who did upgrades and such to the Towers over the years. There is no way that anyone could have controlled what ALL of them accessed or looked at. The longer the stuff was in there, the greater the risk of exposure would be. Personally, I don’t think they would have run the cable that far in advance, perhaps not even a year. Remember, those spaces were public spaces for the most part and at any time, some over-eager office employee could have been trying to impress the boss (or the girl in the next cubicle) and jumped up on a desk to help with the wiring of some phone line or something and just happened to reach up into the trusses to have a look at that new bright and shiny thick orange cable… suffice to say, the longer it was there, the greater their exposure and the greater the risk that it would be discovered before Sept. 11th.

      And yes, I think the estimate to demo the Towers stood at something short of a billion about a year before the towers came down. They couldn’t do it through explosive demo because of all the dust and the damage to the other buildings so they would have to have been done piece by piece. 10 years I think they estimated. That would have been 10 years without revenue for Lucky Larry at a cost of nearly a billion, just to get to the point he was at an hour and a half after the first plane hit.

  13. OK now i’de like to us all to ,,,consider the people who went in there and set this all up. Im talking about the guys and perhaps girls, who did the actual work setting up these explosives, det cord etc.

    I’ve been told by many that an operation such as what occurred on 9-11 would involve too many, and keeping it all secret would have been virtually impossible. So therefore they conclude, that 9-11 occurred as the government described. This could easily be excepted from a logical point of view except for one thing. The body of evidence we are aware of is relevant and material to the reasonable conclusion that something other than what the government says occurred , has in fact occurred, or did not occur, as the case may be. This evidence speaks CLEARLY to those with a willingness to listen. The evidence in my opinion meets the evidentury standard of making the substantial preliminary showing used to acquire evidence hearings.

    Setting this aside, lets move on. What I’d like to do is think about the people who placed those explosives. Who were they? What nationality were they? What information were they in possession of relative to the placement of explosives into an active office bld? IE> what motivated these people? Who’s payroll were they on? After 9-11, what were their thoughts? You see, it’s the after 9-11 thoughts they may have possessed that matters most. . Because then, they saw the effect of their work at the WTC.. The final question is, are these people still alive. Assuming they ARE still alive, what sort of personalities best characterize them? Knowing what the final results have been from their work at the WTC which was the murder of 4,000 innocent lives, a few thousand more lives from the first responder group, but whats more is the wars that their work helped to facilitate which has resulted in over 4,000 service members deaths, 100,000 wounded, and 1,000,000 Iraqi deaths.

    So Willy, who do you think these assholes were who did this dirty job?

    MY gut feeling is, they were predominantly Israelis.
    The only place on this good earth that has an organization that claims to do war by ANY means and be justified according to their own self serving views
    mossad.

    I allege this possibility only on my gut feeling.
    Who else, would be so bold, or so cold?

    • Scott;

      To your first point, you make a valid argument in that it doesn’t matter what people say would have to be the size of the conspiracy involved to pull this off. When people say that it’s just an exaggeration. There is no way of knowing how many were involved at this point, nor, like you say, does it matter.

      How many people were involved in the 935 lies to justify war with Iraq? How many were involved in the liar loans that killed our economy? How many were involved with Enron and World Com? I think in the cases I just mentioned, the size of the actual conspiracy would have to have been much larger than that which it took to pull off 911. But again, that is just speculation. In the end it doesn’t matter. Conspiracy happens. Let history count them up.

      As too your question about “who” set the charges.

      Who else would be so bold or so cold? Look up Hiroshima, Fire bombing Japan, WWII Internment camps in the U.S., Tuskegee Airmen experiments, illegal bombing of Cambodia, East Timor and Nixon, Chile 1973, Bahgram Airforce Base torture, Abu Ghraib photos, White Phosphorous use in Fallujah, Shock and Awe, … the list goes on and on and on…

      The hardcore zealots of the Zionists have nothing on us for bold or for cold, Scott. Who do you think served as their example?

      Truth is, it’s almost impossible to venture a guess right now. Yes I have seen the same videos and read the same books… but in the end that is all speculation. Even the dancing Israelis may just have been sent by the Mossad to simply film the event. If they weren’t so young and stupid and been dancing on their van, we would have never even known they were there. Doesn’t sound to me like the kind of people I would have wire a building with high explosives.

      But in the end, there is no hard evidence of who set the charges. Through circumstantial evidence we can say that anyone who was going to blow that building damn sure wouldn’t hire an explosives expert to come clean it up unless he was on the payroll… that much we can pretty much be sure of… after that, I don’t know.

      Whomever they were, my guess is, they aren’t the kind of people to really give a shit about the misery of others.

      and THAT pretty much describes 90% of the guys on Wall Street. And 95% of our reps in congress. So right now, I wouldn’t even want to venture a guess.

      • re the Dancing Israelis…

        the case is bizarre. It seems to me, that the people driving around in those vans (there were multiple) were intelligence operatives, perhaps doing counter-intelligence against the CIA or monitoring the progress of the 9/11 plot, perhaps for blackmail purposes. I recall that Israeli “art students” were reported to have been staking out certain locations near the Pentagon and Trade Center. However, these reports are hard to verify and are dubious in some places.

        I’ve never believed that Israel or Mossad was much involved in the planning or execution of 9/11…but I think it may have had an “observer” status in the plot. Richard Perle and I think Phillip Zelikow were both convicted of spying for Israel…they were both neocons/neoliberals in the Bush administration.

        You might recall the alleged “mural van” with a depiction of a plane striking the WTC found on the day of 9/11. If that story is even true (because it does sound absurd, and there’s no good confirmation), because the drivers were arrested and confessed to being intelligence operatives and were swiftly returned to Israel, it seems they were just there to document an event for counter intelligence purposes and left thereafter.

        I mean, no one who planned 9/11 would blow it by driving a van depicting the attack on the day of, through populated areas.

        The dancing Israelis are interesting, but hard to verify and ultimately, I think, of little relevance to the actual execution of the 9/11 plot.

        • to clarify: I’m not saying -you- think Israelis did 9/11. Your position on who may have done it is very clear. But many people continue to cite these dubious cases as “proof” that Israel was deeply involved with the plot.

          Regards and best wishes,

          David

        • When carrying out a demolition project of that magnitude (set several world records, by the way, had it been recognized AS a demolition) you need all kinds of assistance. I’ve never said those kids designed the demolition or even planted the explosives. But you can’t argue that they weren’t arrested, in a van, on the bridge, in possession of several boxes of various demolition grade high explosives and other related material. That’s a fact.

          You also can’t deny what they said when arrested… “We have the same enemy now” or something to that effect.

          And, you can’t deny several of them when they went back to Israel, went on a talk show and admitted they were there when the towers were hit, “in order to document the event”

          None of that is up for debate, because it’s all proven fact.

          Now, what remains is the question of how much they were involved.

          Understand this: no demolition team, controlled demolition team, is going to give a bunch of young kids high explosives and tell them to go plant them in the Twin Towers. Not going to happen.

          But what they would need above all else are complicit assistants, who would help transport materials, move them around the job site and aid with the grunt work like cleaning up and light demo, etc.

          Remember, what they would be doing is moving and handling high explosives, so they would have to be AWARE they were handling high explosives.

          Who are you going to get to help you load tons and tons of high explosives into a working building while keeping their mouths shut?

          Day laborers? I don’t so. US military? Probably not a sure bet.

          How about radical zealot settlers from the West Bank and you tell them it’s all part of a project to make Americans hate the Palestinians and the Muslims as much as they do?

          Ah. Now you’re onto something.

          The van was full of that stuff because they were the guys helping the real demolition experts with the menial work needed to get the project done quickly. The fact that they still had some high explosives (probably PETN det cord) in their van shows how little respect they had for the stuff and how sloppily they handled it. Which also goes to show they were almost certainly not responsible for “loading” the building (placing the high explosives in place)

          Of course the Mossad would have provided their names to the planners of this project and of course they would have asked them to hang out before returning in order to “document the event” discretely. Once again, the idiots standing on a van with a cam-corder dancing around when the planes hit shows just how dumb they were and how stupid the Mossad was for hiring them in the first place.

          But yes, in the end, this does go a long way to showing who was behind this.

          Those guys were held for months by New York City and eventually the White House excerted enough pressure on the city to force them to release them and the lack of any mention in the 9/11 Report shows how badly someone wanted them removed from the historical context of it all.

          Because, like any accomplice in any crime, if you start there with the investigation, you can always trace your way back to the top of the guilt pyramid. That’s why they are important. Not because it proves “the Jews” or Israel did 9/11, but rather… it shows someone other than bin Laden did it and has yet to be held accountable and we should probably get around to doing that, starting from the bottom with those idiot Zionist settlers, and work our way up from there.

          That’s just me though. I watched too much Law and Order back in the day.

  14. Lucky Larry indeed,

    On July 24th, 2001 Larry A. Silverstein who already owned World Trade Center 7, signed a 3.2 Billion dollar 99-year lease on the entire World Trade Center Complex 6-weeks before 9/11. Included in the lease was a 3.5 Billion dollar insurance policy specifically covering acts of terrorism.

    On September 6th, 2001 3,150 put option are places on United Airlines stock. A put option is a bet that a stock will fall. That day, put options were more than 4-times its daily average. Also, bomb sniffing dogs are pulled from the World Trade Center and security guards end 2-weeks of 12-hour shifts.

    On September 7th, 2001 27,294 put options are placed on Boeing stock, more than 50times the daily average.

    On September 10th, 2001 4,516 put option are placed on American Airlines, almost 11-times the daily average. Newsweek reports that a number of top Pentagon officials cancel their flight plans for the next morning. San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown receives a phone call warning him not to fly the next morning. Pacifica Radio later reveals that this phone call came directly from National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice.

    Accidental history is just so convenient isn’t it .

  15. Well, ill except that as an answer. But still, I wonder,,,if their even still alive.

  16. Well, I’ve had a night to sleep on it (what
    we’re talking about here)

    With everything considered, we do produce our share of total rat fucks.

    You right however, as to any identy of the crew members who placed these impliments and divices in those office blds. I do fully fathom the speculation aspect of my thesis, above. I am courious as to the personality traits, of these individuals. IE.,,,what kind of a rat fuck motherfucker could do this, and just walk away, caring less about the final outcome. Who could ever desire to conspire with the higher up echlon who summond them to do this job?

    You know who we ought to be water-boarding, to get the truth out of? Well,,,(whoeeee there big fella) aaahmm!! I better not name names. Im already in enough trouble.

    Ill tell you this. There is a truth out there, and we got pretty good evidence that tells us there IS a truth, to be discovered. It’s an ABSOLUTE truth, compared to the explaination we’re led to be beleiving.

    Jee, I wish I could’ev been a sheeple.

  17. but back to the hunt for missing steel joists,could they somehow have been melted into the chernoble like glob in the cellar,was the glod tested?
    In the plan view if you only removed every other exterior connection point then pulled the core down at free fall speeds,would it not pull in the exterior stell on top of the falling floors making a layered pile?
    the bar joist connections have recieved a lot of interest are there any blast marks left on the structural stell at these connectors?
    that specific steel allow should be easy to detect is it in the spheres or are they asa36.

  18. also ,in russia they tested there glod and a new element was found.
    If the bar joist to exterior steel had held up there should be end pieces of twisted bar joist STILL attched and i do not see any?

    • Boo:

      You’re right. According to their “official collapse theory” the ends of the trusses AT LEAST should still be attached to the spandrels on the exterior column sections… and they simply are not. A VERY VERY good point. An inclusion I will make in future writing on the topic.

  19. Did they use the special fireproof det cord that is also strong enough to withstand the crash of a 275,000# airliner going ~500 mph when they planted the special explosives with the same properties, which could also be made to go off silently and leave no evidence behind in the debris?

    • “… and leave no evidence behind in the debris?”

      Just because they didn’t LOOK for evidence, doesn’t mean there was no evidence in the debris.

      NIST, FEMA, RJ Lee, 9/11 Commission report ALL stated that they DIDN’T test for EXPLOSIVE RESIDUE in the debris from Ground Zero…

      and you know that because YOU yourself quoted FEMA’s excuses as too why they didn’t in your earlier comment.

      See, if someone doesn’t LOOK for evidence, you can’t go around saying it didn’t exist… it may have, but NIST and FEMA didn’t FIND it because they didn’t TEST for it.

      You do understand the difference, don’t you?

  20. You have me confused with someone else. NIST’s “excuses” are in their August 30, 2006 FAQ that I hadn’t previously posted [http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm], and I was unaware that FEMA addressed the issue at all. You don’t have to look very hard to find evidence after a real controlled demolition. Cutter charges leave a distinct signature with copper residue on the ends of the steel, and the other paraphernalia-det cord, shock tube, blasting cap remnants, copper backing from explosive charges, etc., is scattered around the site and impossible to miss. NIST also didn’t test for it because the results would have been inconclusive, as they explained at the link above.

    • (determined little thing, aren’t you?)

      “… Cutter charges leave a distinct signature with copper residue on the ends of the steel, and the other paraphernalia-det cord, shock tube, blasting cap remnants, copper backing from explosive charges, etc.,”

      1. steel was hauled off to China and melted down under armed guard, hard to see the signature copper residue there, of course det cord doesn’t leave that residue and neither do linear shaped charges.
      2. the det cord is explosive PETN and would have blown up in the demolition, therefore, no det cord lying around
      3. det cord can also be used in place of shock tube, so no shock tube lying around
      4. blasting cap remnants are only there if they used blasting caps, but as I have pointed out, they didn’t need blasting caps in this application since the columns weren’t concrete and the floors were taken care of by the det cord
      5. I don’t know what “copper backing” you are talking about… linear shaped charges have no copper backing, and det cord obviously doesn’t have any either.

  21. You also claimed that PETN was the primary explosive, and it auto-detonates at 375 F, so you might want to change your yarn a bit to account for the fires right at the collapse initiation area. There was no “armed guard” keeping anyone from handling and looking at the steel, and tens of thousands saw it before it was scrapped, including ASCE and SEAoNY engineers, as well as demolition experts from Protec, CDI, and several other demolition firms. I am talking about the same copper backing that Brent Blanchard discussed in his paper on the absurdity of your C/D “theory,” and he certainly knows more about the subject than you do. You simply cannot demolish a steel-framed building with explosives without leaving any evidence, and that’s exactly what you claim happened.

  22. “Brent Blanchard” is a photographer and he runs a website who’s clients are the prime suspects in any investigation of controlled demolition. He makes his money taking pictures of demolitions. He makes every penny he has from the demolition contractors who would be investigated by a new investigation.

    So no, he is not a “independent” source of information, and obviously neither is CDI…

    Last time…

    “You simply cannot demolish a steel-framed building with explosives without leaving any evidence…”

    NIST, FEMA, the 911 Commission Report, and RJ Lee All admit they Did not run tests for residual explosive residue…

    Do you understand the concept?

    The people in charge of the Clean up, were CDI… the LEADING DEMOLITION COMPANY in the country, and possibly the world…

    are you telling me the prime suspects didn’t “find” any evidence of a controlled demolition?

    Wow. What a shock. What proof that is. It’s like OJ and the glove… brilliant.

    all I had to do was ask the prime suspect if he found any evidence… see that… how could I have missed that?

    you can’t be this obtuse…

  23. “you can’t be this obtuse…”

    Neither can you. I posted the NIST FAQ explaining why chemical testing wasn’t done, and you can’t possibly believe that a whole steel-framed hi-rise could be brought down with explosives without leaving plenty of highly-visible evidence in the debris. Where are the photos and eyewitness accounts of severed columns? I’ve never seen any that weren’t mechanically broken, right at connections, although Steven Jones, one of the more prolific liars in your “truth movement,” has tried to pawn off torch-cut columns as evidence of thermite. To him, the bright glow of a halogen lamp dropped down into a hole in the debris is also evidence of molten steel. No wonder BYU got rid of the embarrassment…

  24. There is a more reasonable explanation, when they built the building the built is destruction method within it. using detonation cord and placed explosives throughout the buildings structure. The plane that crashed into the side ignited it, and took it down off center because the point of ignition was not the point designed for the buildings demise.
    This is not that uncommon many sites are constructed in this way but they are not speakable here.
    Detonation cord is very stable, and made to last many years or decades in storage, many explosives are made the same way.
    The US government just does not want to admit this then there may be a panic.. how many would think they might work in a building that could just be taken down after a small amount of preparation to do it.

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  26. I want to add that not only are the trusses, floor pans, etc. missing, so are almost all of the bolts used to bolt the exterior prefab column pieces together. Only a few of the “ground zero” photos show bolts in the ends of those wall units (sometimes called “chex”).

    In almost all photos where the ends of exterior columns are shown, the bolt holes can be seen with no bolts, and there is no distortion on the end plates. I believe that the bolts were removed over time via the oblong access holes.

    Every one of those bolts could have been removed and it would have had no effect on the buildings.

    The walls cold not go up, down, or sideways, because every “chex” (which extended three floors) was bolted and welded to those strong floor systems, which were bolted and welded to the core column system, essentially making the inner columns, the outer columns, and the floors between, all one piece of steel.

    In fact, each tower was essentially a single piece of steel.

    They were like giant super-strong metal shopping carts. It doesn’t matter how many times you run a shopping cart over or drop it off a mountain, it will still look like a squashed shopping cart.

    The towers were each a single piece, to all intents and purposes.

    So removing those bolts at the chex junctions could have been done and nothing whatsoever would have happened- UNTIL the core and floors were blown up, at which point almost all of the exterior column walls on the Towers would have tumbled down like pick-up sticks, ready for trucking away. The “chex” were just the right size for a flatbed semi; they were taken out as they were brought in.

    At the lower floors of the towers, the bolts were not removed, and as a result, even though the floors and core were gone, the end-bolted joints were strong enough so that expanses of the outer walls of the Towers could stand precariously, as they did, until the cleanup teams brought them down.

    I wish more people would think about these missing bolts. And AE911 Truth should examine this bolts question.

    They weren’t blasted out or burnt away.
    They had to have been there originally.
    After the destruction, almost none could be found.
    They were an inch or inch and a quarter, apparently, from the photos. They just don’t turn to dust even though they are smaller than the trusses.
    Like the trusses there would have been many, many thousands of these bolts and they weren’t in the column ends.

    So unless anyone has a better idea, I conclude they were removed, over time. Zip zip zip, thousands of times, and the Towers were much more ready to “come apart all in a burst/ all at once, and nothing first”- which is a pretty good description of how they came down in that concrete waterfall, that so-called “cloud” (although it would be more accurate to call the cloud “powdered World Trade Center”) of concrete, molten steel, and vaporized or finely pulverized human beings.

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