NIST Says A Fire Caused It; NIST Is Lying

by Scott Creighton

It is high time we stopped putting up with bullshit.

Nearly 7 years after the fact, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (N.I.S.T.), a division of the Commerce Department, finally released their report on the collapse of Building 7 today.

(pay careful attention to the sound on this. There are very few videos of the collapse of Building 7 with sound.)

We are told by N.I.S.T. that the cause of the buildings collapse was a standard “open” office fire caused a critical connection to fail due to what they call “heat expansion”, and that when that critical connection failed, it caused a domino effect with other connections, resulting in the perfectly symmetrical failure of the structure, starting with the center columns, resulting in the building falling and ending up in a perfectly neat pile, no bigger than it’s foundational foot-print. I don’t think so.

On May 5, 1988, The Interstate Bank building in L.A. burned for 3.5 hours and gutted 4 floors completely. It DID not collapse into a pile of rubble. Perhaps because for some reason, the “heat expansion” didn’t happen prior to 9/11.

 On Feb. 13th 2005, in Madrid Spain, the Windsor building burned for over 15 hours at temperatures that reached over 1,400 F.

It burned so brightly that it illuminated Madrid all night. In the end, only a few floors failed on the upper level, and it still had enough structural integrity to support the massive construction crane that was on top of the building.

Nope. No “heat expansion” here.

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The next day, this is what was left of the building. It took months to demo the building afterward, one piece at a time.

I wonder how much that costs? I bet Larry Silverstein knows.

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This is the horrible inferno that was building 7. According to N.I.S.T.,

this is what destroyed building 7 of the WTC complex. Building 7 was newer and better designed than the previous 2 that I mentioned above. It was actually hand selected to be the home of  the Office of Emergency Management because of it’s “bunker-like” design. Theoretically, this building was to be used in the event of a natural disaster in New York; like a massive earth-quake or a war of some kind. Yet, one little office fire casued it to end up like this;

…in a perfect pile, collapsed within the confines of it’s foundational foot-print.

But you haven’t got to go across the seas to find examples of buildings that can withstand some little fires and remain standing.

Which is good because I was starting to think that Americans can’t design a building that can stand up.

No, you haven’t got to go far to find buildings that can withstand even more fire and much more severe damage… in fact… all you have to do is go about 200 feet CLOSER to the Twin Towers to find, not One…but TWO such buildings.

Buildings 5 and 6 of the WTC complex stood between the North tower and Building 7. When WTC 1 (the North tower) collapsed, the debris cut Building 6 in half and severely damaged Building 5. The resulting fires burned for nearly 9 hours.

Yet, strangle enough, neither of these two buildings collapsed into their own foot-prints.

Building 5 burned out of control for nearly 9 hours; Building 6 was almost as bad. Yet…

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 … there they are, Buildings 5 and 6 still standing. In fact, they had to be demoed in order to remove them.

So. I think it’s time we stopped letting our government agencies get away with lying to the American people about things that matter. Just a few weeks after the FBI released their make-believe story about Dr. Ivins being the anthrax killer, N.I.S.T. released this complete bullshit (not to mention, John McCain trying to tell us he doesn’t know how many houses he owns. I can believe he doesn’t know who the President of Russia is and whether or not Iran is training al Qaeda, but if there IS one thing this prick DOES know, it’s exactly how many houses he owns.)

I wouldn’t be surprised if we did attack Iran very soon. That will take people’s attention from nes like this, and make it harder for people like myself to question the “official story”, since, of course, we are supposed to “shut up” when we are at war.

N.I.S.T. knows this load of crap can’t hold up under the light of day for very long. Apparently, they had finished this report months ago, but for some reason, they withheld releasing it until now. With the naval build-up in the Gulf right now, it seems obvious to me that they were waiting for just the right time to release it, and then some other, bigger news story will drown this one out.

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23 Responses

  1. Nice detective work, Willyloman….
    like you say… they think ‘things’ are forgotten and they can rewite it any way they want.

  2. When you get right down to it, this is nothing more than another branch of Bushes government saying this. So it was a class A type office fire that caused the steel to super heat , causing extreem expansion at joints and made em snap, and then the building just fucking dropped straight into its fucking footprint. Even the lower cold joints snapped. Damm now i can sleep at nite. Cause you know, I thought it was from some corrupt act and hell, now we know. WOW!! All this time, we thought it was that rat fuck george bush and his flying monkeys!! Well hell! gotta drink to that!

  3. Shit i forgot to mention that harry headed peter with ears and glssses
    Dick Cheny. I guess this clears him too.

  4. Scott, you sound slightly UPSET…. The regular media also put out another article about the FBI’s prime evidence against Ivins. It was that amthrax DNA that was traced back to the flask that Ivins used. Of course they don’t mention that over a hundred other lab workers had and used assess to that same flask AND they forgot to mention that samples of the same amthrax was given to the FBI (before the mailings) but the FBI has destroyed their samples or got rid of (wonder how?) after the mailings. Guess ‘they’ want to neatly tie up all loose threads before Bush and his vampires leave office.

  5. By their own report on WTC 7, they’ve blown away the reason WTC 1 & 2 fell with this line: “.., that the heat generated from any fuel-fed fires would not have been enough to cause the collapse.”

    Yet heat from the WTC 1 & 2 fires was enough to collapse both buildings?

    And what about the fire-proofing that would have covered those beams in WTC 7?

    The fire-proofing was supposedly blown off by the impact of the jets into WTC 1 & 2, but no jet impacted those buildings, so what became of the fire-proofing in WTC 7?

    This report is full of so many holes, it defies belief.

    Anyone who’s done any interior firefighting can tell you that the fire temps inside the building widely differ.

    Yet they expect us to believe that the fire in WTC 7 was uniform enough to cause a pancake style collapse that looked more like a controlled explosion?

    One more thought: WTC 7 also housed an office of the SEC–Security and Exchange Commission.

    At the time, they had more than a few files in WTC 7 concerning a little firm they were investigating.

    A company called ENRON.

  6. Greg, it was basiclly a class a fueled fire. The jet fuel was consumed mostly on the bld’s exterior. It wasent even a thriving class a fire as evidenced by the thick black smoke meaning it was oxygen starved.

    WHY ARE WE EVEN DISCUSSING THESE ISSUES? WE ALL KNOW THIS IS TOTAL BULLSHIT. WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING WHAT PLAN OF ACTION TO IMPLIMENT TO DEAL WITH THIS. LIKE SOME SERIOUS ASSWHUPPIN.

    Im not evin going to hide my true feellings anymore about whuppin their criminal asses. Theve murdered over 4,000 people just that day alone.
    The fear that they’ll come here some nite, at 3:00Am is now overridden by a new fear of what they’ll do, IF WE DON’T GET OUR SHIT TOGETHER, AND COME TO THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY CAN’T BE, AND DON’T DESERVE TO BE TREATED IN ANY WAY EXCEPT AS THE CRIMINALS THEY ARE. aND IF THE SYSTEM WE RELY UPON TO BRING THEM TO JUSTICE IS DENIED US, THEN, WELL ALRIGHT THEN. THEN IT’S ASS WHUPPIN TIME. AND THEN, WE’LL SEE JUST WHO IS WILLING TO STAND UP AND DEFEND THEM. BLACKWATER? HEY, THEY BLEED JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE DOES. THEIR ONLY TACTICAL ADVANTAGE WILL BE TO SNEAK UP BEHIND AND STRIKE OUT OF THE BLUE. THEY AIN’T SUPERMEN. AND IN THE END, THEY’LL EITHER BE IN JAIL WITH THEIR HEROS OR DEAD. SO PEOPLE, DON’T BE INTIMIDATED BY THE NAME BLACKWATER.

  7. I know a a bit about fires and what happens to the buildings that get consumed by fire, since i spent over 20 years as a career firefighter for a Mid-Missouri FD and fought my share of structure fires and then some.

    And i’m here to tell you that when a fire gets out of control and the buiding starts to collapse, it collapses in a random, haphazard, piecemeal fashion, they don’t fall down neatly into their own footprint.

    I could believe that ONE of the WTC buildings would fall down in the rather neat, pancake fashion, but all three? On the same day, within hours of one another? Think that would be a physical impossibility.

    Another thing about buidling collapses: When one is getting ready to fall, a standard rule of thumb is that you evacuate all around the building for a distance of about 1.5 times the height.

    So, with a 47 story building like WTC 7, that would mean that a space of around 750 feet was evacuated.

    Does anyone know if the buildings surrounding WTC 7 on that day were evacuated for a distance of 750 feet?

  8. Well then Greg, with your experience as a firefighter, am i correct that the thick black smoke represents oxygen starvation? and can you concur from the videos that the jet-a fuel was consumed mostly outside the structures? But again, do we really need to have this conversation?

    Incidently Greg, on the matter of a raid here in my house possibly at three am, my battle plan is to immediatly release 10 lbs of halon inside as a defense. What do you think of that idea?

  9. Guess it would kill you, Scott. Then you would not be here to show everyone how to use their battery cables.

    The elite rich are the enemy…. why can’t the FBI understand that they are considered disposable to the elite group also? why do they continue to play along with these vampires?

  10. Scott:
    That would have been a fine idea; would have been. But now, they will have your comment in an action alert file, when they come storming in like something out of Nazi Germany. Because they record everything you write on the net. So, that would have been a good idea. Now you need another one.

    Jan;
    I just spoke a few days ago to a young woman who wanted to be in the FBI. She is a criminology major at a local university. When I asked her what she thought about the Dr. Ivins case, she said “Who?”.
    She hadn’t heard of the anthrax case, and new nothing about Building 7. Didn’t even know it existed.

  11. Willyloman, that is incredible….. how could she not know? veryone knows about the amthrax letters and Dr. Ivins…. maybe she was pulling your leg to see what you would tell her… you know, like she was doing a FBI trick on you….
    ain’t no one in college that dumb… or maybe some are.
    building 7 was kept rather quiet .. all the publicity was about the towers….. and the media was so confused about the goings on that day… I can’t remember seeing anything about 7 on that day….. I learned from your blog about 7

  12. Thats a million dollar question Jan. hey guess what, I pulled a slick move today over at ADS.ORG! I got my email address to Apprition, and the administrator went into the post immediatly, at my request and deleted the post that had my email address on it.

    well my plan would be to immediately get the hell out of the house, to outside. Their attention woud be so diveret by the displacement of the oxygen inside, that there would be so much commotion outside, and i would make so much racket, everyone around me would be woke up, and come out to see what the hell is going on. with witnesses, someoneone will call 911 and ill have spfld pd on the scene in no time. that way, there will hbge no funny business. and halon is not illegal to have and use. Ill hold my breath till i get out the back door which is only 10 ft from my bed.
    once they breath in the halon, their done, maybee permantly. you see jan, like i said, i aint playin around. they want to play midnite cowboys and indians, well hell yess. have a wiff boys, its good stuff! breath deep! and you know they will be, doing that action in the middle of the nite. they be all excited and pumped up and breathing deep. suprise. halon will even take em out if they throw cn or cs gas in first, and them wearing M-17 A1 protective masks. wont save them. and halon will extingwish the burning gas canister. the gas agent is carried in the smoke from the burning agent substance. halon! a wonderfull product. in confined spaces that is.

  13. Great! Now they will be waiting for you outside your back door.

  14. well, Scott…. you done told them where your back door is…. don’t you think they will be outside waiting for you when you come out?
    I thught you were talking about ‘laughing gas’…. make them act silly… what is halon?

    Yeah…. good trick at ads.org….. wonder how many saw it before it was erased? They have thousands viewing you know…..
    I didn’t see it….. I don’t go there often… too many pop ups… my little computer sounds like rockets bursting… constantly bleep, bleep…. telling me that it blocked a pop up…… and flashing notes telling me to watch out….. makes me nervous….. how do you avoid all those pop ups?

  15. No willy, ill use it if they ever bust down my front door or, the back door.

    Jan, halon is a fire retardant used in aircraft, submarines i think, but mostly around computers. it is a liquid under preasure, but turns to an oxygen displacing gas at atmospheric preasure, and it leaves no trace or mess like dry chemical. but it is dangerious if you don’t know the hazards. Ive got 5, 5 lb bottles.

    as for pop ups at ads.org, i’ve never had any of that. got any ideas about her having these type problems there willy.

    and willy, how you doin buddy. you alright? gettin enough sleep?
    Barak Obama will be here tomorrow. looks like joe biden is his vp.

    Willy, have you ever heard of capt erik may? how about joe martin?

  16. SO WILLY, YOUR SAYING THEY ARE MONITERING EVERYTHING I SAY AND THEY GET EVERYTHING I SEND WHAN I HIT SEND? WELL ALRIGHT THEN HERE IS SOMETHING FOR THEM TO PONDER ABOUT.

    FUCK J EDGAR HOOVER YOU HOMO BITCHES! AND FUCK YOUR HERO GEORGE BUSH! AND ESPECIALLY FUCK THAT HARRY HEADED PETER WITH EARS, WHATS HIS NAME, DICK CHENY! DEATH TO ISREAL!! AND DON’T FORGET, FUCK J EDGAR HOOVER great vacum cleaners though.

  17. Halon release? You’ll do the goon squads job for you by wasting yourself. Besides, they’ll come in force, 10 or so, breaking down the front, side and back doors all at once.

    And, if they think there’s going to be a hazardous atmosphere inside, they’ll be wearing SCBA packs–Self-Contained Breathing Apparatus.

    As for as black smoke billowing out of a fire, that’s usually a sign of hydrocarbons burning, like the paint, carpet and furniture coverings.

    If you build a outside fire out of sticks and logs, after the white smoke burns off, you won’t have much smoke from the fire.

    But that’s all different from a house fire.

    Incidentally, it’s when a structure fire is puffing light grey smoke from the eaves is when it’s oxygen starved and getting ready to have a “Backdraft” moment by exploding as soon as someone opens a door or window.

    But when it’s “racking” on, like it does when it gets plenty of ventilation, you’ll see black smoke.

    Just watch a house fire thats got out of control and the roof is burning. All of those petrochemicals in the shingles will emit a thick, black smoke.

  18. so the FBI is reading my stuff huh?

    HOW about this. I’ve got digital recordings of the old federal signals civil defense sirens. run those at 130 db, another recording of IRON BUTTERFLY INAGODADIVIDA, and a third recording of a dog crying in agony like when they get hit by a car. run this in the house, but outside i electriclly ignite some preplanted M-80’s. I can position mirrors so they see themselves AS THEY COME DOWN THE HALLWAY (they’ll see a guy with a G-3) and they’ll start busting caps! get some blow up sex dolls, dress them in BDU’S and toy guns, put them in key deffensive positions, there in the hallway, and watch the fun.

    motion dectors, like what turns on lites, well, they’ll do more than just turn on lites, beleive me. you can do all kinds of freaky things with them. you unscrew the floodlites, screw in a plug in device, and plug in extension cords, and turn on other things. It’s not just for turning on lites. think of it this way. what can you do with 110 volts ac? Or better yet, What can you IGNITE? Tell em greg.

    how about this. got some property you need to secure? I mean really secure? heres how. the viet cong used this one alot. you cut up some 5/16 thick plywood, or what ever you got.(just stay within under an inch thick) cut them into 2″x2″ squares. get some nails that are just a little longer than your squares are thick. hammer them through the center. now.
    you dig a hole somewhere, about 4 inches deep. set that block of wood in that little hole, with the nail side pointed up. ok? now, set 12 ga #6 high brass shotgun shell on top of that nail point, and fill the hole back in. now you don’t want the top of that # 6 shell to be seen so your hole has to be deep enough so it is completely burried and you make the surface look natural again. throw a few leaves on it, some twigs, you get the idea.
    NOW, if and when someone walks on that thing, their weight pushes down on the shell, pushing the primer on that nail like a fireing pin. guess what?
    BOOM! poor mans revolutionary anti personel mine ! EFFECTIVE AS HELL!
    produces a very negitive phycological effect on the op/force. and you thought nails and wood was just for building houses. Wait till i tell you about fishing line, mouse traps, and 9 volt batterys.

    here is one that will blow you all away. do you all know that the government rutinely surpluses smoke grenades? red smoke, mostly, don’t know why. but their cheap at surplus stores. the primer on these are live! their live! can you beleive that? its true. you unscrew that primer off that smoke grenade, and you got an exact primer like what is on a frag grenades!except for one difference, there is no 7 sec delay! I don’t think i need to say any more about the possibillity of this. you just gotta get creative.and think about what the possibillities are here.DON’T TRY PULLING OUT THE PIN WITH YOUR TEETH! THATS HOLLYWOOD BULLSHIT.

    Well, im outta time. It’s an exciting day here in Spfld Illinois the crouds are probablly gathering, because Jesus Christ SUPERSTAR is commin to town! Ill be at work all day today. see, i need lots of money cause i wanna buy me some mouse traps and fishing line. so im gonna miss the fun but before i go, i depart with these choice words of wisdom:

    FUCK JEDGAR HOOOOOVER!!!

  19. That is good information, Greg. I always thought that black smoke was oxygen deprived… so it is the grey smoke that is…. wouldn’t all those plastics and computer interiors burning in the Towers (9/11) have given off toxic gases for miles around? they say your computer hard drive shuld not be busted open because it contains something toxic…. if the fire got so hot that steel melted, wouldn’t it have melted all the hard drives and sent a plume of poison for miles around NY?
    You figure how many people worked in those buildings and they each probably had a computer…. not to mention countless main servers.

  20. Hello Scott, hope you had a good day at work. I been worrying about those planks hidden in the ground…. when the ‘shit’ hits the fan and we are all running around trying to find a safe advantage… now we have to worry about where we are stepping? You brought up a good point… many ex-service men and women have the knowledge to create traps …… and if our country comes to that, many will place these ‘things’ for unsuspecting travelers (friend or foe or children). Ipersonally prefer the ‘gun’ angle and the knowledge that many of our National Guard and Police Forces and Armed Forces will not turn on the citizens… unless they start stepping on ‘traps’…. get alarms and wire them up to warn you if anybody is even close to your home and trigger bright lights to turn on….. call the Police and have a secret trap door to escape in… it leads to a tunnel to ? Don’t tell anybody where it goes…. have your windows and doors double strength and metal barred….. gives you time to get away….. grab your money and personal papers (have them always at the ready) and off you go. OK…. the plan needs a little work but it is workable…..
    YOur planks traps sound so terrible…. guess many of our soldiers stepped on them…. hateful thing to do to anybody… war is where the leaders should go first… out in the field and out front… Bush and his vampires should have to walk that mile…. over land that has been mined …..

  21. “.. . if the fire got so hot that steel melted, wouldn’t it have melted all the hard drives and sent a plume of poison for miles around NY?”

    When plastic or one of its compounds burns, it does indeed let off a smoke filled with very nasty toxic gases.

    And it’s a rather, nasty, acrid smoke, as any firebreather knows who’s swallowed a snoutful of that stuff.

    Yep, NYC got a big dose of that stuff on 9/11, combined with a horrid cocktail of absestos that was inside the WTC buildings.

    There’s already numerous cancer cases popping up from WTC first responders and my guess is that in a few more years, there will be an ungodly number of NYC residents showing up with cancers.

    P.S. Black smoke can be a sign of an oxygen deprived fire, in what’s called it’s incipient phase, when the fire is building up to its peak and hasn’t breached to the outside.

    But i doubt many have seen that type of smoke.

    If you have the time and access, check out a house/structure fire in your neighborhood.

    When the firefighters finally put a stop to the fire, you’ll see a huge cloud of whitish smoke rising, and steam, which is also white.

    But prior to that event, the smoke billowing out of the house was most likely black.

  22. Thanks, Greg…

  23. hehe this is very funny but:


    The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
    301 7th Street, SW
    Room 5125
    Washington, DC 20407

    RE: The controlled demolition of building WTC7 on 9-11-2001

    Tuesday, September, 9-11-2001 Events Timing:

    — 8:45 a.m. – American Airlines Flight 11 crashes into the North Tower.
    — 9:03 a.m. – United Airlines Flight 175 crashes into the South Tower.
    — 9:03 a.m. – Building WTC 6 implodes.
    –10:05 a.m. – The South Tower collapses.
    –10:28 a.m. – The North Tower collapses.
    4:10 p.m. – Building WTC 7 reported on fire.
    — 5:20 p.m. – The WTC 7 building collapses by controlled
    demolition.
    (Note: It takes at a minimum 6 days to rig a building this size for controlled demolition.)

    plus this:

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