BBC Piece Post-Mortem: Mark Loizeaux and the Special Engineer

by Scott Creighton, video by the Dossier

It is difficult for me to know where to begin peeling away the layers of misinformation the BBC peddled to their audience in last weeks expose on the Collapse of Building 7 of the World Trade Center in New York. There are so many people out there grinding away at the production, I don’t feel the need to repeat what they have already done with journeyman-like effectiveness. So far I have read Alex Jones’ and Jon Gold’s and they are right on the money with many references and videos to back up their claims. Its good work and I link you to them in hopes that you take the time to read them.

Yet there is something that I have yet to see addressed that I feel is crucial to exposing the overall lack of trustworthiness of the piece. And there is another related aspect of it, that I feel may in fact, be almost an unintended admission, of sorts.

So, I feel I should jump in as well and put my two-cent worth into the pot.

At issue? Mark Loizeaux’ direct misrepresentation of fact and Peter Hayden’s uncanny admission.

I have to admit that I have been studying a little on the process of controlled demolition. A theory that I have been working on, that I submitted here, a month ago, led me to CDI, Mark Loizeaux’s family company.

It’s impossible to look into the process of controlled demolition without eventually turning pages on the CDI website. They wrote the book. I mean they really wrote the book. Mark’s father is credited with creating the process and the business itself. So these guys know a thing or two about bringing buildings down in a hurry.

Now in all fairness, the BBC piece did cover the fact that CDI has been suspect in the controlled demolition theory of the Trade Centers since it began. And they talk about the reason.

They were brought in almost immediately after the attack to help with the clean up.

Now, logically speaking, the people who are convinced that 9/11 was an example of a very well constructed controlled demolition, would have to view that fact as a big clue.

Let’s face it; if a group of rogue elements in the government were going to blow up a building on the QT, would they bring in a demo company to help with the clean up if they weren’t in on it? Of course not. Those people would recognize certain things that others wouldn’t, and so the gig would be up, and people would go to prison.

It would be stupid to bring in a company of demo experts to “clean up” your secretly demoed site. And if anything, these people are not stupid.

So, people looked at CDI right off the bat.

But one thing I don’t know if others found in their CDI research is something interesting that I came across a month ago, and it has been nagging at me, so I think I will toss it in here. I am not saying that CDI “did it”, but it is rather interesting.

This is from a Washington Technology article dated 12/16/02 Vol. 17 No. 18, titled “Survival Guide: Mark Loizeaux, demolition expert”;

“WT: Once a project starts, how do you manage risk?

Loizeaux: At the site, we track very carefully the chain of custody, the ownership of debris, hazardous materials, things like that. We track everything from cradle to grave in writing.”

I understand that this is a very dangerous business and that extends to the litigation of damages after the charges go off as well. People who are born into this life must also develop very stringent habits of covering their own asses, inside the buildings and out. Before the demo and afterwards. They have to or someone is going to sue them for a foundation crack in an adjacent building that was there a year before the demo, and they would lose everything. It must become second nature for them. Like a code. Because in their line of work they could lose everything in a flash, including their lives.

They leave nothing to chance, even cleaning their brass, so to speak. They would have it no other way. And there is CDI, on site, in charge of the “clean up”. Interesting to me at least.

Which makes me wonder why Mark Loizeaux would make such a glaring error as to say something on this program that is clearly untrue? And it is proven untrue by his own website.

 At 27:23 into the BBC piece they introduce mark Loizeaux, correctly, as one of the foremost experts on demolition. He not only shows the J.L. Hudson building demolition, but mentions it by name as holding several world records for demolition. He probably shouldn’t have mentioned that one, for several reasons.

He says it took months to “prepare the structure” and took months “to set the charges. Months”. But that’s just not true, according to his website.

CDI‘s 12 person loading crew took twenty four days to place 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on columns on nine levels of the complex. Over 36,000 ft of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay elements were installed in CDI‘s implosion initiation system, some to create the 36 primary implosion sequence and another 216 micro-delays to keep down the detonation overpressure from the 2,728 lb of explosives which would be detonated during the demolition.CDI’s website on the controlled demolition of the J.L. Hudson building.

What took so long, according to the website, was the design of the implosion because there were 12 separate sections to the 2.2 million sq. ft. building. All built at different times, with different construction techniques. And no drawings of the building.

Now compare that to Building 7. 47 floors, as opposed to the Hudson buildings 30 levels; the Hudson building had 2.2 million sq ft of floor space, where Building 7 had roughly 45,000 sq ft per floor totaling… 2.2 million sq ft.

So, theoretically, the demolition requirements would be similar and the design part would certainly be easier. Now, that would mean, that the actual charges if they used a 12 person team could be set in 24 days. Or, if they used 20 people… you do the math. But this is all factually based on real world experience provided by CDI’s own site.

So it didn’t take “months and months” to set those charges and by extraction, it wouldn’t take that time to have prepped Building 7.

But that wasn’t the misstatement that I was referring to. I just threw that one in for the fun of it.

At 31:10 into the piece, Mark Loizeaux commits what I know to be a misrepresentation of fact. He claims that yes, some of the windows facing the building were blown out, but, he says if explosives of the type that would be needed to cut the columns were used, then, he says, “…all of the windows on the surrounding buildings would be blown out all the way around. No way around it.”

Yet, on Mark’s own website, the same exact page that we talked about the other misinformation from Mark, he clearly boasts about how that job posed a significant problem with the surrounding historic structures and there old glass, and they were able to demo the Hudson building, another steel framed structure, without cause hardly any window breakage. On the sides facing the buildings!

Even with all the precautions to control overpressure, the age, existing cracks, and poor condition of glazing windows in vacant structures on the north, east and west sides of the J.L. Hudson complex, window breakage was a concern.” CDI site here.

There was far less window breakage in adjacent buildings than glass company crews were prepared to handle. Many of the broken windows appeared to have been those which were cracked before the implosion,…”  CDI site here.

Unbelievable. The arrogance of these people. He mentions the one job that he has detailed on his site as being very successful in keeping from breaking vintage windows facing the building that was demoed.

Not to mention the fact that they didn’t ‘break the windows all the way around the buildings”. “No way around it”? Apparently there was on the Hudson building. Which was, by the way, dropped in 1998. Three years before 9/11.

And that brings me to the last point, which is directly tied into CDI again.

During the video, Peter Hayden is addressing the issue of fore knowledge of the collapse of Building 7 and he says something very, very interesting. He says they had a “special engineer” with seismic equipment who told them around 12:00 that day that Building 7 would fall in 5 hours. And of course, he was correct. At 5:21pm, Building 7 came down.

Now, why would a ‘special engineer” be there in the first place with seismic equipment shooting a building fire? Did he just happen by? And how did he get so accurate with the seismic equipment that it could tell the rumblings of regular office fires?

Here’s the payday boys and girls (I know you have been waiting for it): the continuation of the quote from CDI’s reporting on the J.L. Hudson building…

“…cracked before the implosion, according to Dave Miller of Schnabel Engineering, the third party geotechnical firm hired to do pre/post blast surveys and record the vibration from the blast. Miller said that the vibration from the fall of the structure was well within allowable limits as recorded at adjacent properties.” CDI website, here.

That’s right. CDI and Mark cover their asses so much, that they bring in engineers with seismic equipment to record the blast before and after in order to make sure no other damage is done to other buildings.

So, is that why this “special engineer” was there and how he knew the building was coming down in 5 hours? Perhaps an investigation into exactly who that “special engineer” was would be a good place to start.

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31 Responses

  1. Sharp observation, Willyloman !

  2. Several factors have convinced me long ago, that this event, and by that I mean all three bld’s, brought down, was not a result of the terrorism they say it was.

    1. Avaiation grade kerosene cannot produce the heat necessary to melt steel,even with a good wind blowing. The black smoke comming out of the towers demonstrated that the fires were oxyigen defficient.

    2. In the uncontroled circumstances that should have been prevailant in the tower’s colapse, they should have fallen “OVER”, not perfectly straight down. And it was perfect. Nature is not ever that perfect.

    Don’t EVEN get me started on the pentigon crash site. Im from the airline industry. I have spent countless hrs examining photo’s of crash sites over at the NTSB web site, as a matter of personal interrest, and not related to 9-11. THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE AT THE PENTIGON SITE IS NOT, REPEAT NOT, CONSISTANT WITH NORMAL CHARICTERISTICS OF AIR CRASH SITES.

    I can’t restrain myself. I just gotta say this…..When you look at the overall crash sceene at the pentigon, there is a major absense of the normal debri usually associated with “high speed collision with terrain”.
    The official explaination is, that due to the ultra high speed of the aircraft at the point of collision, penitration, subsequent disentigration was the result. In that case,then, the aircraft was flying too fast, in fact, it was exceding the max speed of that airframe, and therefore even the most experienced capt will tell you that that aircraft could not be menuvered from 7,000ft through the bank angles it went through to line up with the target. Setting asside the (over)stress’es which would have been exceeded, that aircraft would gain additional lift that would have been impossible to counter. The faster it goes, the more lift that is gained, and he would have been in a useless fight to counter that lift, which would have exceeded the stress level maximums of the airframe. So, from airanautical (sp) mathimatics, it is just not possible.

  3. ONE OTHER THING, THAT I FORGOT.

    The acft over the pentigon came in at 7,000 ft. and performed a 180 degree course correction, and at the same time, began rapid decending menuver which would have increased his airspeed. As a result of the steep desending and the high bank menuver, he would have entered a high speed stall to which there is hardly any chance of recovery. He would have initially fought to keep the nose down, but at some point the stall would have occured and total loss of control would result. An experience pilot can come in here and clean up and refine what I have said here. But i think im pretty accurate in my assessment.

  4. wow, if you are right, Scott Humphrey, then that plane would have lifted over the pentagon…… or lost complete power? Maybe it was a missile?

  5. Well Jan, I was not there, I didn’t witness the event. So I can’t say what hit the pentigon, for sure. I can say with relitive assurance that I don’t
    beleive a B-767 is what hit the structure. Witness came forth, alledgedly, and said they saw a rather large acft fly over the hiway. There is no reasonable rational to discredit this enless these alledged witnesses were gov. agents. Very shortly after the hit, the employees at the convenience store directly accross the hiway from the point of collision stated that individuals who claimed to be F B I agents came, and confiscated the casset tape from the security camera system (note-one security cam was pointed in the flight path direction impact point so that would explain their immediate interrest in capturing this taped event. The images from this tape has never been seen. So, this situation is open to speculation.

    Now, we do know, and can confirm, that two airliners hit the World trade center. This was captured on video. Until substantial evidence surfaces, we can only speculate on the circumstances inside these two acft IE, whether or not there were in fact pax inside.

    If you look at the photos of the impact point at the pentigon, the damage is centralized, there are no damage indications on either side of the impact point, and there should be damage on either side of the contact point from the wings impact. There is none. If you’ve never observed a
    B -767, let me assure you it is a large wingspaned acft.

    Now, the next statement I make is from looking at many many photos from NTSB accident investigations INVOLVING HIGH SPEED COLISIONS WITH TERRAIN, their defination. There is usually major seperations of the airframe componets, debris scattared everywhere, body parts, luggage etc. At the pentigon, there was no debri, nothing.

    And finally, the area of crash sites is, becomes sacrid ground, and treated like a crime scene. Only authorized personel are allowed inside the perimiter. And they wear hazmat suits because it is a hazardious area. One of the reasons for this is to limit responder exposure to human remains. There is a health risk associated with this exposure. Not too long after the attack, there is a photo of pentigon employee’s in a line abreast walking the line around the lawn ajacent the impact point, and they were alledgedly looking for , i can’t imagine what. that was a violation of investigation protocols, hazardious exposure violations etc.
    In no other crash scene, that im aware of, would this be allowed. Remember the LAPD not following crime scene protocols at the OJ SIMPSON crime scene? The same principals apply to aircraft crash scenes. No normal protocols were followed at the pentigon crash site. Another of the many situations open to speculation.

    So essentially, what we have is very questionable conduct within a very suspissious larger situation, where we’re all given a lame explaination for certain suspissious conduct, that were expected to embrace. well, I just can’t. How about you Jan, do you except it all as the feds have presented it to us?

  6. Thanks Willy, This is a really great observation. Evidence that needs further investigation. And I am not implying that there ever was an investigation, cover-up would be more like it.

  7. NO, Scott Humphrey,… I don’t accept the government’s ‘story’. Willyloman’s and your arguments make more sense. Willyloman also says the wing span was never accounted for. It would take a lot of people to keep the truth from being revealed…. that is the sickness and mystery of this. So many people can keep their mouths shut about what they were forced to do…. must mean they are scared to death of someone…. or they have been gradually killed off. Where are they?
    It is amazing that the speed of the ‘object’ that hit the pentagon should have ‘lifted’ it beyond controling it to a point so low and steady to the ground to the point of collision. That alone says the Feds report is fiction. I am just astonished that the commission failed to understand that.

  8. Well Jan, actually, I knew you never excepted their official version.

    In light of the fact that the physical evidence clearly goes against the official version, and so many thousands are of the same mind as you and me, the question now arrises, “what do we do about this?” My answer is, I don’t know. By my very nature, im a seditionist. Never before in my life has there been more justification for my beleif in this tactic. But violence goes against my human nature. I struggle internally with this matter. That is why I participate in discussions in blogs, because at the core of my struggle, is the question, am I absolutely correct in my assessment of all these situations we discuss here. And finally, if I am correct, is resorting to the sedition tactic actually the moral course for me to follow? Tim Mcvey and I are no different except that I would have done what he did in the middle of the night instead of the middle of the day. The reason is in all acts of sedition, you need the support of the people and he lost that support immediatly, but ofcourse, also, ill never fight any type of religious war. MCVEY was ighting to avenge the BRANCH DIVIDIANS IN WACO TX. Should I ever elect to involve myself in seditionious activity, it will be on behalf of you, and your children’s future. I have reached a point where my fear of this countries future outweighs my personal fear of my demise. But i don’t ever intend to be a one man army. Im not any kind of fool, (i hope) and my hope is that there will come along soon, a legal remedy for all the national wrong we now face.

  9. Scott Hunphrey, Your desire for a legal remedy may occur or it might not. Americans cannot fight each other… it would tear this country apart and allow any other nation to pick up our fragmented pieces and take control… more control than they have now. Time will take care of it. I hope. You wonder how the German ‘people’ lived through the crazy administration of Hitler…. they were powerless because of the sheer numbers and brutality of Hitler’s internal army… sort of like we might be. God works in a slow circle…. but it does eventually close.
    I see Bush and his cronies as pitiful puppets of the global bankers…. this world will speak back to them… In God’s way. Patience and love of your follow man will allow you to be here to see it happen. We have the right to protest and legally try to stop the brutality and stupidness of our current adm and many are trying to do that… maybe it will work. Maybe … we can hope for America’s sake. Keep the faith….. Scott Humphrey, you seem intelligent.

  10. Thank you jan, your very kind.

  11. Well Jan, I slept on your above comment for two nights. I gave a lot of thought to the following.

    I really do appreciate, and respect, your faith based hope. It’s commendible. I wish there were more like you.

    The truth is, as I see it, If i encountered you, your children, in a situation where you were under some type of attack. and your life was in serious danger, What would you have me do? Pray for your saftey, and hope for the best, or close with your attacker, and destroy him?

    Just to set the record straight. so you’ll know. If and when push ever comes to shove, in this country, i don’t ever intend to pick up a firearm, or explosive device and use these impliments, in the defense of this country. In my own independent action, my weapon , or one of them, will be jumper cables. (that is for willy) Im not ever going to say more. You don’t have any need to know. but rest assured, that when i do strike out, it will be combat effective.

  12. Good morning, Scott Humphrey, I don’t know how a set of cables could protect anyone unless the get-a-way car has a battery problem… it would help then. I would of course defend myself to the best of my ability… I have several cans of bug spray and several brooms and kitchen knives and a big dog and hey… look at the plates I could throw…. I have a heavy rock…. I wouldn’t throw a book…. I got two feet that can move me to a hiding place where I could jump out and prod my fingers in their eyes….. yeah… not much when it comes to machine guns. I’ll look for you and your cable after I have used up my bug spay unless you are only going to defend willy…. jokes aside…. I thank you for your thoughtful comments. It is sad that good and intelligent people like yourself and Wily have to worry about ‘what they would do if their ‘world’ is attacked.
    Have a great day and a peaceful one…. store up your inner strength…… stay safe….

  13. In reading the above, you really never answered my question. But i think i know the answer already. The fact is Jan, I beleive you are in danger as we speak. Your attacker’s are the same individuals who are(one way or another) behind 9-11. Their method of attack will be in ways different than you may imagine. (then again, perhaps you have a good imagination)
    9-11 taught us one thing for sure. To those behind that event, we are, every one of us, we are all expendible.

    Jan, I’ve seen this vision, so to speak, and this vision was just recently.
    I was right in the middle of other political issues & debates, over on another site called,”AFTER DOWNING STREET.ORG”. There I was, involved in hot political debate, over impeachment issues. I had just reread the story of the 6, advanced cruise missles, & the 6, W 80-1 nuclear warheads that were installed on the missles, and then these weapons were illegally loaded on under wing pylons on a B-52, which was then flown down to barksdale AFB, THE STAGING LOCATION FOR ALL outbound BOMBERS, HEADING TO THE MIDDLE EAST. Jan, this is a situation that, in reality, cannot, should not, ever, occure, but, it did. To further complicate matters, several airforce personel, at MINOT AFB, AND, BARKSDALE AFB, HAVE COME UP DEAD FROM SUICIDES OR ACCIDENTS. No jan, sorry, this is not from a movie script, this really happened. To make a long complicated story short, the AIR FORCE has said this was a simple accident, that it will never happen again. This was last Augest 07. Now recall Jan, that V.P. CHANEY wanted to bomb IRAN this time a year ago. He was HOT TO TROT over this desire.
    Then, shortly afterward, was when this MINOT AFB incident occured. So now look what is occuring. The ground trembles when the Bush administration once again, beats the war drums this time, for attacking IRAN. Their using the same script they used with IRAQ. And dammit JAN, we just can’t wait till theres a mushroom cloud over American cities. We gotta go NOW.! THE RISK IS TOO GREAT!!! Those EVIL IRANIANS, sittin on the 2nd largest OIL RESERVE in the M.E.

    By now Jan, im sure you’ve heard all the same rhetoric that I have. It looks to me, like an attack on IRAN is deffinatly going to occure. There is about a 20% chance it wont occure. But that leaves 80% in favor of, and that is what has me worried. Miracals do occure and im hoping for one now.
    If this attack occures, it’s my beleif that this will light the fuse for serious trouble here at home. Trouble, the likes of which will turn our lives inside out. I’de like to advoid that if possible. It’s probably too late though.

    OOOOOOWW, it’s pretty scary huh? You want to know what I wish Jan? I wish that I was simply a mentally unballanced paranoid scitzoid freak, and this was all a figmant of my imagination, and I could get on some type of medication, and this would all just go away. The truth is, I didn’t want to fight any battles. Im a lover, not a fighter. I just wanted to have fun, and I WAS!!! till all this shit came along. Who can have any fun when shit like this is going on. Well those dirty rat fuck sonofobitches ! They want to play cowboys an indians. Well alright then. Im gonna play with all my jumper cables. And beleive me, it’s gonna play hell on em for about 80 hrs till they figure it all out. Then it’ll be too late. Trust me on that. It’s soo effective, so unkown, im willing to talk about it here. Nobody gets hurt, I assure you. I might get shot, but ill die laughing, i promise you that. But, you know, this isn’t how life is suppose to be.

  14. Hey Scott Humphrey, yeah it is scary. but don’t do anything dangerous…. get away from all these internet ‘talkings’ and get back to your life. I have started reading more books and they scare me too… but I know they are fiction and it somehow calms me when I look at what is going on in the real world.
    Think about it … no one really wants to die and if Iran is attacked… the world will not be safe for anyone… not even the rich…. they will not do it. I don’t understand why the threat continues unless it is for the accumulation of more money to be spent for companies that claim to protect againist terorists….. it is a power ‘thing’.
    Your life is valuable to you… enjoy it. You were a lover…. of people and life… be that person again…
    don’t you die laughing until you are 90 years old ….. you hear me?
    I am reading “Categoty 7” and it is fun and scary. Have you seen the movie? when it comes out on DVD… I’ll see it. About weather being changed and controlled by humans… I think mother nature fools them … in the end… haven’t got that far yet…
    stay safe…..

  15. Hi Scott;
    Been awhile, huh? Jan is dead wrong, by the way, they will attack Iran; they have to. You see Condi rice’s “New Middle East” depends on it. The endgame wasn’t Iraq. They aren’t getting what they wanted from Iraq anyway and one reason, is that Maliki is aligning with Iran right now. So, for many reasons (mainly paydays for the people responcible for Iraq and even 9/11) they have to go into Iran for “regime change”.
    And that is just the way it is.

    Now, what does that have to do with us? This nation will change dramaticly. That’s a fact. The media isn’t going to help, and the “Change” candidate is just as wrapped up in “the war on terror” and Globilization as the “Same” candidate. They stacked the deck during the primaries, Scott. We know that. So, where does that leave us? Fucked.

    Now, what do we do? What is the most important thing you can do now? Network. Believe it or not.

    You need people around you, in yu r town, in your state… people that will help you and you can help. Neighbors, freinds, family. You see, when this all starts snowballing downhill, this country will change dramaticly and people are going to react badly so the fascist government will do the same. Happens all the time. What we need o do, Scott, is keep our heads, and create networks of people who still give a shit about democracy and real freedom.

    Now this is much more “subversive” than talking about battery cables Scott, because this is talking about keeping the ideals alive within this country. And that scares them more than any one act can. Because it’s the ideals that will eventually topple their illegal control.

    I know Obama is just spouting platitudes now Scott. He’s not what I am talking about.

    You see Scott, an act will burn out in time. It’s memory will fade and diminish and tarnish more and more with each passing day. That is the problem with movvie’s like “V”.

    But an ideal? Now that burns in each and everyone of us and in contrast, it grows stronger the more they try to surpress it till it glows red. Now that is a dangerous thing to fascists.

    You are not a “fighter” Scott, you said so yourself and you certainly aren’t a “lover” or you wouldn’t spend so much time on this computer. What you are though, is an “idealist”. And that you cannot deny.

    So save your jumper cables and keep writing for now. Spread your circle of influence to those around you as best you can. Build your network, because sites like these will be shut down after Lieberman takes office (and possibly even Obama the way he has been talkig and voting).

    We don’t chose our history it choses us we just make the best of it we can. Keep your head up and your arms outstretched to greet your brother as best you can. “These are the times that try men’s souls.”.

    Don’t run from it. embrace it. peace.

  16. Ouch…..Willyloman, your words are beautiful…. maybe slightly off about Iran… ( I really believe our corrupt leaders are not so stupid as to go to war with Iran.)
    Truth is a beacon of light…. and will always draw travelers, searchers, and the weary and the lost toward it… you are right about that… keep writing and shine on…. peace

  17. Well, I aggree that the time is now, to inform as many as possible, the risk that is associated with an attack on IRAN. If and when this attack does occure, either by US FORCES or ISREALI,(it wont matter) then it will be too late. I’ve already gone over, numerious times, why it will then be too late. But WHAT THE HELL? Lets go over it breifly, once again.(Notice to the Granner police, im going to shout, please grant me leave to shout,bear with me)

    THE MOMENT THIS ATTACK BEGINS

    1. CRUDE WILL IMMEDIATLY JUMP TO $300.00 OR HIGHER

    2. NO SUPER TANKER WILL RETAIN INSURANCE COVERAGE
    OPERATING IN OR ANYWHERE NEAR THE REGION.

    3. IRAN DOES IN FACT POSSESS SILKWORM GRND TO GRND, anti-ship MISSLES

    4. THE STRAIGHTS OF HORMOZ LIES WITHIN IRANIAN CONTROL

    5. THE STRAIGHTS OF HORMOZ HAS ONLY A NARROW NAVIGIBLE CHANNEL FOR TRAVERSING THROUGH.

    6. ONE SUNKEN TANKER IN THESE NARROW STRAIGHTS WILL CLOSE THIS CHANNEL
    AND IT WILL REMAIN CLOSED FOR THE DURATION OF THIS CONFLICT.

    7. UPON THE ABOVE(6) OCCURING, ALL US NAVAL ASSETS INSIDE THE GULF, WILL REMAIN THERE FOR THE DURATION. (REGARDLESS OF WHO INITIATES THE ATTACK)

    THERE IS NO PREDICTING BEYOND THIS POINT WHAT IS POSSIBLE, TO OCCURE BECAUSE THE TACTICAL SITUATION CAN GO IN MANY DIRECTIONS, IN THE FIRST 100 HOURS, BASED ON SKILL, AVAILIBLE FORCE RECOURCES, ON BOTH SIDES, AND LUCK.
    I DON’T BELEIVE IRAN HAS THE RECOURCES OR SKILL TO EVENTUALLY PREVAIL, BUT THEY DO POSSESS SOME REMARKIBLE HI TEC WEAPONARY(NOT THOSE MISSLES FROM LAST WEEK) AND WITH SOME LUCK AND BRAVADO, THEY WILL GET IN AND GET SOME HITS ON THE NAVY. I SUSPECT THEY WONT DO AS WELL AGAINST THE USAF. IT’S PRETTY HARD TO MISS A CARRIER USING THE SILKWORM MISSLE. wE’LL FINALLY SEE HOW THOSE 23MM PHALANIX WEAPONS ACTUALLY PERFORM AGAINST AN INCOMMING MISSLE DIONG IN EXCESS OF MACH 1.3. THE TACTICAL PROBLEM IS, THE SILKWORM CAN TRAVEL BELOW 40 FT, UNDER SURFACE SEARCH RADAR. VIGILANCE WILL REQUIRE 24 HR AIRBORNE RADAR PLATFORMS. STILL THOUGH, ALOT WILL DEPEND ON LUCK, FOR BOTH SIDES. US CREWS WILL HAVE TO REMAIN AT BATTLE STATIONS 24/7. IT’S GONNA BE A TOUGH, LIFE OR DEATH SITUATION FOR THEM. IT’LL BE AS BAD AS OKANAWA WAS IN 45 FOR THOSE SAILORS.

    AND NOW, WHAT ABOUT THE SITUATION HERE AT HOME………….

    REGARDLESS OF YOUR VIEWS, AND TO QUOTE FROM A LINE OUT OF THE MOVIE
    “FULL METAL JACKET” “IT’S GONNA BE A BIG SHIT SANDWHICH, AND WE ALL GOTTA TAKE A BIG BITE”. NONE OF US WILL BE UNEFFECTED. WE ARE ALL GOING TO LOOSE ALOT, OUR LIVES WILL BE FOREVER CHANGED, THE WEALTHY AMONG US ALSO.

    THIS IS HOW I EXPECT IT TO DEVELOPE. THE ANNOUNCEMENT WILL COME AROUND 2:00 PM CDT, 3:00PM EDT. THE MARKET WILL FREAK OUT. TRADING WILL PROBABLLY STOP FOR THE DAY. NATIONALLY, THERE WILL BE A MAD RUSH BY PEOPLE TO GET OUT AND GET FOOD AND OTHER NECESSITIES IN LARGE ABUNDENCE. THERE WILL BE A MAJOR RUN ON THE BANKS AS PEOPLE RUSH TO SECURE THEIR DISPOSAL CASH RECOURCES. THE BATTLES WILL RAGE ON INTO THE NIGHT. (OUR NIGHT) UPON THE OPENNING OF THE MARKETS THE NEXT MORNING, IS WHEN PANIC TRADING ON OIL FUTURES WILL BEGIN TO OCCURE, AS THE PRICE OF CRUDE BY THEN, HAS EXCEDED THAT FIRST INITIAL $300.00 MARK.

    AS THE PRICE AT THE PUMPS RISE, THOSE VITAL TRUCKS OUT ON THE INTERSTATES WILL SEE THE FUTILITY OF GOING FURTHER, AND THEY WILL SIMPLY STOP. BY NOON ON THE FIRST FULL DAY OF THE CONFLICT, THE GROCERY RETAILERS WILL NOT POSSESS ANYTHING OF SIGNIFICANCE AND CLOSE THEIR DOORS. THERE WILL BE NO FURTHER DELIVERIES TO THEM, FROM THEIR WAREHOUSES.

    NOW IS WHEN THE PANIC AND UNREST BEGINS TO UNFOLD. THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION, WITHIN OUR SOCIETY, THAT DID NOT, WOULD NOT, COULD NOT, GET THEMSELVES PREPARED FOR THIS EMERGENCY. TRUST ME, IM NOT REFERING TO ANY SINGLE RACE. .

    THEY, WILL BE CAUGHT VERY SHORT. THEY WILL NOT BE PREPARED FOR THIS SITUATION. THERE IS A PORTION, AMONG THIS GROUP, WHO, DURING GOOD TIMES, HAVE NO REGUARD FOR LAW AND ORDER. WE ALL KNOW WHO THIS GROUP IS. WE READ ABOUT THEIR ESCIPADES DAILY, IN OUR NEWS PAPERS. WE SEE THEM EVERY SAT NITE ON COPS. IM NOT MAKING ANY UNREASONABLE ASSESSMENTS HERE. YOU ALL KNOW IM SPEAKING FACTUALLY. THIS GROUP WILL POSE A VERY SERIOUS RISK TO PUBLIC ORDER. THIS WILL BE A PROBLEM FOR NATIONAL GUARD ASSETS. BUT THAT IN ITSELF, OPENS A PANDORAS BOX. WHAT CAN OCCURE, IS UNPREDICTIBLE.

    MEANWHILE, THERE IS ANOTHER RELIVANT SITUATION, MOST NEVER CONSIDER. THE RAIL ROADS DELIVER, FROM OUT WEST, LOW SULFER COAL TO THE EASTERN POWER PLANTS. IN FACT, MOST COAL BURNING PLANTS USE LOW SULFER COAL, AND IT COMES FROM THE POWDER RIVER BASIN IN WYOMING. GRANTED, ALOT OF UTILITIES DO POSSESS SCRUBBERS TO REMOVE SULFER DIOXIDE. BUT I BELEIVE COAL MINNING WILL COME TO AN END IN AN ECONOMIC COLAPSE THAT WILL ARRISE. RAIL ROADS CONSUME VAST VAST QUANTITIES OF DIESEL FUEL. RAISE THE PRICE OF FUEL TO ASTRONOMICALLY UNPROFITIBLE LEVELS, ALONG WITH SHORTAGES ANYHOW, AND THE UNION PACIFIC, THE BURLINGTON NORTHERN SANTA FE, NORFOLK SOUTHERN, CSX
    WILL BE FORCED TO CEASE NORMAL OPERATIONS. WITHOUT TRUCKS AND THE RAIL ROADS DELIVERING COAL TO THE POWER UTILITIES, GUESS WHAT? THEY, THE UTILITIES, WILL BE FORCED TO REDUCE OUTPUT DRASTICALLY. DRASTICALLY!!!!!
    THINK OF THE NEGITIVE IMPACT THAT WOULD RESULT THEN. I CERTAINLY WELCOME ANY COUNTER OPPINION TO THE ABOVE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE ABOVE. WE HAVENT EVEN TOUCHED UPON THE UNREST, THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, THE POSSIBLE MARTIAL LAW, THE ABUSES OF GOVERNMENTAL AUTHORITY, AND SITUATIONS I DON’T EVEN DESIRE TO MENTION. WHAT HAS BEEN STATED ABOVE, I BELEIVE, IS NOT UNREASONABLE CONTENTIONS OF OCCURENCES THAT ARE POSSIBLE, AND LIKELY, AS A RESULT OF AN ATTACK ON IRAN NOW. THAT IS WHY, AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY, I BRING THIS SUBJECT UP. WHY CAPS LOCK. I AN SCREAMMING! CAN ANYONE HEAR ME?WE HAVE SIMPLY GOT TO HAVE THIS ATTACK PREVENTED, BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE.

    THIS P N A C PHYLOSOPHY OF “MANIFEST DESTENY” MUST BE STOPPED AT ANY COST TO INCLUDE USING FORCE THAT IS LIKELY TO CAUSE DEATH OR GREAT BODILY HARM.THE INDIVIDUAL’S BEHIND THIS CORRUPTION WONT EVER SUFER LIKE THE AVEARAGE AMERICAN WILL.

    THE DAYS IS WISHFULL THINKING MAY COME TO AN ABRUPT END, VERY SOON. NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD WANT TO RESORT TO FACING THE ABOVE WITH VIOLENT RESPONSE.. DIPLOMACY SHOULD ALWAYS, ALWAYS!!! BE USED IN PLACE OF VIOLENCE. BUT IM HERE TO TELL ALL OF YOU THIS. THE MOMENT THIS ATTACK BEGINS, THAT WILL BE THE END OF ANY CHANCE FOR THERE TO EVER BE A PEACEFULL RESOLUTION. YOU ARE ALL THEN GOING TO BE FORCED TO MAKE PAINFULL DIFFICULT DECISIONS. YOU WILL HAVE TWO CHOICES. YOU CAN STAND THERE AND LET WHAT EVER OCCURES,OCCURE,ROLL OVER AND DIE, OR YOU CAN DO WHAT IT WILL TAKE, TO RIGHT THIS WRONG, AND PRESERVE YOUR LIFE, YOUR CHILDRENS LIVES, AND PRESERVE THIS COUNTRY, AND FIGHT TO RESTORE THE CONSTITUTION TO IT’S ORIGINAL, PRE-BUSH ADMINISTRATION CONFIGURATION. THE CHOICE IS YOURS. I’VE ALREADY MADE MINE.

    REMEMBER WHAT PRINCESS LEAHA SAID TO DARTH VADER, “THE TIGHTER YOU SQUEEZE YOUR GRIP, THE MORE SYSTEMS WILL SLIP THROUGH YOUR FINGERS. THANK-YOU GEORGE LUCUS FOR THOSE WORDS, AND THANK-YOU GEORGE BUSH, FOR DISRUPTING MY LIFE, AND DON’T GIVE ME YOUR OSAMA BEN LADEN SPEACH. I DON’T BELEIVE SUCH A MAN REALLY EXISTS. IN FACT, I THINK YOUR HIM.

    GODNITE CHESTY, I THINK ILL BE SEEING YOU SOON.

  18. Hello Scott Humphrey, the Grammar Police give you permission to shout…. that is if you meant ‘grammar’ instead of ‘granner police’. I did not know of such a site until I tried to understand your reference to it. Good place to put forth ‘wordy’ questions. This internet thing is just facinating. to think so many people have taken the time and effort to create so many sites that offer usuable information !
    You a Marine, Scott? Once a Marine, always a Marine…. ‘goodnite Chesty’….. refers to one of our finest Marines: a man who still spirtually survives in his famous quotations: ‘the enemy is in front of us and behind us and on both sides, they can’t escape now’ …. I have probably not quoted it exactly.
    Do you think the above … of your well outlined diaster… will occur before the election or after? I need to know when to move…. don’t want to be caught in a cold zone.. wouldn’t matter anyway. Extreme heat is hard to handle also. Maybe live in the country where a wood stove can accomodate warmth and the trapping of fowl and deer can supply food and enough of rich earth to grow a potatoe or two. How does one get bread from wheat? so much ot learn and maybe we’ll all have to become farmers again…. back to the simple ways and the cherishing of neighbors and family. No TV…. or movies… dancing and the telling of ghost stories and sharing of jokes. Maybe books will also survive… that would be just fine. You see? You can’t join Chesty yet…. you have an obligation to be here to help the new world survive….. to dance and build…
    if the worst happens…. then the good will grow stronger.
    Write a book, Scott…. you and Willyloman should both write a book…
    speaking of books…. Category 7 is getting very technical about how weather can be controlled. this fiction man is going to beset a vicious storm on to New York. Why does every one pick on New York? ….
    Yeah… you have scared me…..
    take care… stay safe and strong and well…..

  19. No Jan, I served in the Army, on an M-48 TANK, AN M-60 TANK, AND AN M 114 SCOUT TRACK. I really din’t know where the thought of CHESTY PULLER came from. I served from JUNE-69 till MAY-72. SOLDIERING was not my bag. Not then, not now.

  20. You were serving in Vietnam? The tanks look impressive in a parade but it takes a great deal of nerve to place one self down inside one…. no place to run…. I’m a woman.. guess you figured that out…. (bad joke)
    My ex husband was a sub rider… they had no place to run either.
    come to think of it… even the foot soldiers had no place to run….. I don’t like war. Guess most don’t.
    Glad you got back ‘home’….. I looked up the M-48 and M-60…. some men brought back souvenier guns; you didn’t by any chance bring back a M-60… did you? (again, a bad joke)
    What is your ‘bag’?, Scott Humphrey? May I call you Scott Allen?

  21. I brought my intact ass back home, nothing more. I came bact to the world at end of Jan-71. (i can’t remember the exact date anymore i think it was the 28th of Jan). My overseas unit was A Troop,1st PLT, 2nd sqd-4th cav, 11th ACR. My original ETS date was 26 Jun-72, so I still had army time to serve out. They sent me to FT HOOD,TX. From there, I got sent to Ft GORDON GA, for trainning in field phone repair. (those hand crank field phones)
    B-O-O-O-R-E-I-N-G. Im probablly the WORST student that ever cycled through the 36G-20 course. I really liked AGUSTA GA. I had purchased a 1970 Plymouth GTX, had a nice girlfriend there, just had a hell of a good time there. You know? I decided to flunk out of the course, so I could get recycled through the course again, and stay there longer. (it was the girl-her name was Bonnie Ballard-her brother was an active duty submariner out of Charlston SC) so thats why i wanted to stay longer. Well, it did’nt work out. Now, im sure I posted the lowest recorded test scores they had to ever have seen there. However, not only did I not get recycled, but they gave me P-3, profeciency pay of $100.00 PER MONTH TILL I GOT OUT.
    But i had to go back immediatly, to FT HOOD. i GOT ASSIGNED TO THE 2nd AD,
    124TH MAINT COMPANY the SIGNAL PLT. Well, guess what? I did’nt know shit about fixing those phones, when they realized that, they put me in the tool room. I signed out tools in the morning, signed them back in at quitin time. It turned out to be a sweet deal, actually. I killed red ants durring the day. All the heroin addicts came to the tool room to shoot up. Then they would go on the nod behind a big stack of oil dry that was in there. By noon, there would be several behind the oil dry. Sometimes I would have to go pull the needle out of them cause they went on the nod before they could get it out. There must have been a needle shortage cause they used wet sandpaper to keep it sharp. Now THAT is hardcore! These were all former combat vets from the Nam. Hell, half of them, I didn’t even know who they were, what units they were in, or anything. That tool room was their place before I ever got there. Im sure the higher up’s knew this was going on. They had to. They just looked the other way. Hell, over half the troops were drug addicts, the rest were drunks. Officers included.

    Jan, let me tell you something weird about combat, and combat vets. (i wase’nt just rambleing on above, i was working toward bringing out a subject)

    Presently, we are producing another whole gereration of fucked up combat vets. In fact, I think IRAQ is gonna prove out to be worse than vietnam was because, well, heres why. These guys in IRAQ are taking alot of causalties and they don’t get to get much real combat payback. Payback is when you get to kill a lot of the, whoever your fightin against. You go in with a unit. you know all these guys your with. But, you start loseing bodies. Something starts building up inside. You go to sleep, and you see your dead budies in dreams. and, their alive, and well. BUT, you eventually have to wake up from that,when you do wake up, and when your head clears, that feel good feeling you know you just had in that dream, in seeing your lost comrads, it goes away, the pain returns, and they die all over on you again. It really, really hurts. and you need help facing it. But there never is none. and you need help gettin through it. So, that is why there were so many heroin addacts in my time. there is one other situation that helps you vent. contact with the eneamy. fucking payback.
    It was a beautiful thing. givin it out just feels so good. And we burned up our mg barrels every time. They hauled out those burned out barrels by the truck load. and we spent money. big money! One squeeze of the mike, the right words, and instantly, you had phantoms droping ordinance for you. an another squeeze, the right code words and grid azmuth, and you could have 105 mm arty raining down on the eneamy. sometimes 155mm depending who was the arty company. the point is, here, is contact was as good as herion. Killing is good. In this instance. Its a genuine cause for celibration. It “ABNORMALS YA”, AN YOU CAN NEVER GET BACK TO WHERE YOU WERE BEFORE IT ALL BEGAN, FOR YA. An you gotta have an edge to face off with it. booze, herion, sex, everybody had their own style. there own thing, to get em through it. what ever they had, it was not a good thing. it was bad.

    And here we are again, producing another whole generation of these poor souls. And because we here at home now, have been unable to prevent, & subsequently get ended, this IRAQI war. I feel so bad for this, and I feel guilty. Cause we are not able to save them from a fate im all too famillure with myself.

  22. Scott Humphrey, I have read your previous comment about ten times and still I can’t find the words needed. My heart goes out to you and anyone who is placed in such a vile situation…. young, bright and lively men forced to turn their energy into destructive tools…. causing such grief and turmoil in their hearts and souls… and then, if they survive, sent home and shelved out of the way. I used to work where many people came and went…. occassionally I would see a pair of haunted eyes quickly glance my way: I recognized the look. Immediately Vietnam came to memory. Of course, it may have been someone who had just lost a love one or even someone who was fighting a personal additive battle. It was painful to see; so many merged into their homeland after Nam and did contribute what was still intact of their vitality. But the true loss will never be known. Vietnam was protested; protesters were called traiters… ha …. like now. We wanted our men to be liberated from fighting a forged war. I don’t want to get into that.
    Men like you, Scott Humphrey, who know the intricate tangle of mental pain these young men bring with them from Iraq, could write about the before and after… put these many viewpoints and various experiences into books…. get a publisher interested or have the books self published and, in groups, get bookstores to sell them. ‘No war’ gives energy to the advancement of a greater civilization.
    REd ants… love it. I can relate in a small way. I had a certain yard once that had been nelected by its previous owner. It was also a very frustrating time… Vietnam, Kennedys, King.. the begining of the end of US… many of us felt it. or thought it. The back yard was contaminated with gold dandelions. Couldn’t use chemicals.. no…. I went to war with them. I took my sharp pointed spade (the one you dig deep with) and jabbed and cut up a large determined dandelion… the roots came next and I jabbed and dug at it until I could pluck them up with my bare hands. This war went on for weeks (for maybe several hours a days). I went from the back yard to the front and the side yard. I got to a point I had to hunt and hunt for any small beginning of the pitiful dandelion. It was so disappointing when I couldn’t find any. I found myself longinly looking over at my neighbor’s yard. The dandelion war helped me survive my tiny frustrations and even now I could use that battle effectively…. so , I can smile about your war with the red ants…. hope you won.. at least in your selected area.
    Did you know that ants outnumber us 100 to every one human on ths earth? scary… I read that somewhere on the internet. Lets don’t tell the ants.
    So I talk all around your painful memories… because I can’t equal them or relate… I have lost my parents.. miss them.. dream… but it is a natural thing. Not like what you went through. They say it is good to talk about it…. write about it.. get it out.. guess you have gone through all that… and still it eats at you because you see what is happening to the young minds of others now. You are not guilty of harming them.. you know that … hopefull each one will have a loving understanding person to come home to. Maybe this will be the last damm war ….
    go to google and type in saturn hexagon … we might not be alone in this universe. Maybe we were ‘there’ and now we are here….

  23. BTW Jan, why don’t you just call me scott. I don’t go for formality at all.
    You must be in my generation. I was born 6-13-52. The good news is, I still got all mr hair on my head. Thats gotta count for something. I weigh 180,im 6ft. I got new jeans for my birthday, from family, they are 36 waist, and almost too big, and would be without a belt on. so i’ve managed to not abuse my body too bad except for smoking, WHICH btw, began while i was dinning on c-rations which every meal included a pack of cigaretts in it. I never was much of a drinker but did smoke weed till recently, to which, i decided to give it up cause i just got burned out. mostly, it helped me get relaxed enough to get to sleep at night. But i got burned out on it. That began also in Vietnam. Did you ever see the movie platoon? Remember the guys partying down in the bunker? I was in that group. If the juice freaks had goten to me first, perhaps i would be more of a drinker today. Who knows. Im doin alright Jan. better than some, not as good as others. Im reaping what i soed. I got a place to live, three jobs, and a good dog named cozy. im a model builder, i got models out at the airport, at the Ill state museum, and at washington park, here in spi. My older brother is disturbed because on the big model at the museum, they misspelled humphrey. They added an s, at the end of humphrey. Hey, they got the spelling on the checks right. Thats what counts.

    How you doin? you doin alrite? Think willy will get pissed for not discussing the subject matter?

  24. Hello Scott, glad you are doing OK…. hey, three jobs? No wonder no one can find one.. you got them all!! And you build models… airplanes? complicated model airplanes? Bet they are vintage. Can your ‘model’ be viewed on the internet through the museum? I’ll go try it after I leave here.
    So you are an artist…. how do you have time to do so much? and coast the internet? ‘cozy’? can I ask how he or she got named ‘cozy’.
    We are ….. close to the same generation… I am about ten years before you….. my hobies are painting (watercolors mostly… nothing for selling.. just punish my kids by giving my work to them) and a couple of unpublished books about ….(so you might say I escape in my own fantasy world.) ghosts… yeah… I believe we exist beyond this realm.
    Everyone has seen Platoon.. didn’t remember what was special about the bunker party scene… had to ask. OH…. and nothing pretty to look at…. guess time flies anyway you zone it. There has to be an escape vent somewhere.. to each his own.
    It really floors me to remember that c-rations were adorned with a pack of cigarettes…. wonder if they still do that? Get you hooked while you are booked on a fantasy tour of the world donated by Uncle Sam…… remember Uncle Sam?
    Finished “Category 7″…. it almost demolished the East Coast and New York… toppled Lady Liberty (might as well… it stands for naught)… the storm is subdued by ‘freeze rays and heat rays…. sort of like the smaller ones that are being tested for use against peaceful protesters now. Has a good ending… written well and the action keeps the pages turning. Going to be a great ‘graphic’ movie. OK…. it is out now.. take older brother and go see it….. let me know what you think about ‘weather control’….
    I watched “Up Periscope” (the newer version) the other night… its about three years old… starring K. Crammar….. more fantasy but with the laughs…. you seen to have a good sense of humor… a roll of laughter clears the head and lightens the heart. I enjoy hearing my son laugh…. sort of like a permanent sound-photo of him in my head….
    Thanks for asking… I could use a few dandelions..
    stay safe and strong and well

  25. Model for museum is of viper (coal) mine 20 mi north of here. The whole thing is 4ft wide, 18 ft long, includes underground shafts. 1/50 scale. eventually, it will be moved out to ST fairgrounds at natural recources bld, in their lobby. At the park its a massive 1/87 scale model of a power utiity. This model is always growing. It’s my pride and joy. It has EVERYTHING you’ll find within a power utility. There are others around towm, like at the airport, but these two are my significant creations.

    Cozy dog. part beagle, part daushound. my sisternlaw named her cozzett from les miz, but we couldnt have a little dog running round here called cozzett so she got an attached nick name of cozy for a local dog on a stick fast food place. So she is a little cozy dog. she loves to go for a ride. she’ll get a ride tonite, cause we’re going out for a family gathering. she is sittin below, right now, waggin her happy tail, lookin up at me.

    OK Then, Im gonna go do my readin. So i can spew out my political venomous hatred.

  26. Scott Allen, yeah… your comments are always interesting.

    My son’s dog loves to ‘ride’ also. He sure is spoiled but he is worth it.

    your models sound complicated.. a lot of hard work involved. I’ve seen models of malls and historic parks and buildings. They are amazing…. never seen one of a coal mine… must be unique… the ‘paths’ go down to many levels. sort of like a tall building I guess… see.. I don’t know nothing about ‘mines’. they even have elevators… or they do in the movies.

  27. “So, theoretically, the demolition requirements would be similar and the design part would certainly be easier. Now, that would mean, that the actual charges if they used a 12 person team could be set in 24 days. Or, if they used 20 people… you do the math. But this is all factually based on real world experience provided by CDI’s own site.”

    Are you sure? And how could those 12-20 people have gone into the building and wired it up with explosives without anybody saying anything?

  28. There is nothing factual about it. Loizeaux’s nose is growing. The explosives weren’t even delivered to the site until the Monday morning before the JL Hudson Implosion.Therefore the loading process took 6 days actually 5 days and 1 day to finalize the wiring. CDI had to get permits from the Detroit Fire Deparment for temporary storage of the explosives on site. The magazines were delivered on Monday morning. The building was imploded on Sunday.

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