Person in Cabin Tried to Escape out the Back When Fire Started. He was “Pushed” Back in

by Scott Creighton

UPDATE: Watch the San Bernardino sheriff’s press conference. “uncomfortable” is an understatement. The deputy asked to answer the questions about Dorner being across the street from their headquarters makes it clear that he was there from Thursday, the start of the investigation in Big Bear. In other words, he seems to have moved into that location around the same time the investigation moved to Big Bear.

UPDATE: While the cabin was burning and they were “pushing” the suspect back inside to burn, the president was defending the use of drones and other “capabilities” in his extra-judicial assassination program, claiming the authority (based on secret letters) to continue to kill those deemed hostile to our “national interests” anywhere in the world at anytime… including San Bernardino California according to the NDAA 2012.

Where necessary, through a range of capabilities, we will continue to take direct action against those terrorists who pose the gravest threat to Americans,” President Obama, State of the Union Address, about the same time Dorner (or someone fitting his general description) was being burned to death by cops

UPDATE: Cops “Found” Dorner’s Wallet Three Times in Three Different Cities?

UPDATE: Official Chris Dorner Story Taking Shape

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“F***ing burn this motherf****r!”

“Burn it down”  “Burn him out,”

We’re gonna go forward with the plan, with the burn … Like we talked about.” police audio recording

Seven burners deployed and we have a fire.””Copy. Seven burners deployed and we have a fire.” Huffington Post

As bad as all that sounds, there is a another slightly interesting and more troubling development:

“… the suspect tried to escape out the back and was pushed back inside…”

According to Brian Todd of CNN reporting on a statement from Chief Kirk Ellington of the U.S. Marshal Service, the suspect in the cabin that was torched by the cops in San Bernardino, attempted to exit the burning building via the back door and was “pushed” back inside.

Here is the entire CNN transcript from Anderson Cooper’s show which talked about it.

Our Brian Todd is hearing new information about exactly the sequence of events.

Brian, what have you learned?

BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (via phone): Anderson, I just spoke with Chief Kirk Ellington of the U.S. Marshal Service. He’s a district chief out in California. He just told me that at one point during the standoff, the suspect tried to escape. He said he tried to escape out the back. I’m not sure exactly where the back is in relation to where — you know, some of the pictures that we were seeing, but he said he tried to escape at the back and was pushed back inside.

Not clear how he was pushed back inside. I asked him when that occurred during the sequence, and he said about the time when the fire started. He also — I asked him about any weapons that he had, what kind of weapons. They’re not sure what kind of weapons that he had in there. It was his understanding at that time when I just spoke to him that there were no hostages in there. But again that’s — that was his understanding at time.

That’s — I don’t think that’s been confirmed yet by anyone at this point. But he did tell me that at one point the suspect tried to escape out the back and was pushed back inside.

COOPER: Kyle Martin, whose mom owns the cabin and still with I think on the phone.

Kyle, when you hear that the suspect attempted to leave through the rear of the cabin, I’m not sure what image you’re looking at right now on television, but — what we’re showing, can you tell me, is that the front of the cabin, the rear of the cabin, what are we seeing?

MARTIN: Right there from what I’m looking — I’m watching CNN. So it looks like that’s the front of the cabin. That looks like directly down as the — the main road right there.

COOPER: And –

MARTIN: The barn — there’s also a barn right to the left of it that’s kind of obscured by the trees.

COOPER: So you’re saying there’s a number of cabins on this property. This is kind of the main cabin of — and there one — they’re rented out? Traditionally.

MARTIN: Yes, just rented out, you know, over the wintertime, people go up there and stay. And that’s another thing, too, is when they said he was trying to escape through the back. You know, if he directly runs up — on the TV anyway — there’s other small cabins in there, you know, he can take refuge in.

COOPER: That was going to be my next question. If he had left through the rear, where — I mean, how big a property is this besides the other cabins on the property? Are there other houses nearby?

MARTIN: On the property there’s — yes, there’s six and there’s about 10 acres of the property itself. Other nearby cabins of other people are a little ways away. You know, like a mile away or so.

COOPER: Right. Kyle, stand by if you can.

Chris Voss, the former FBI hostage negotiator, is also with us.

Chris, I’m just wondering, as you have watched this play out over the last couple of hours, what has been going through your mind? Or what are your thoughts?

CHRIS VOSS, FORMER FBI HOSTAGE NEGOTIATOR: That’s ultimately the indicator whether or not law enforcement has got an opportunity to talk him out. You can’t negotiate a gunfight or a riot. If he takes the time to stop shooting long enough to communicate, then you find out whether or not he loves himself enough to try to survive to carry on his cause.

Just as we’re hearing this, the one thing in a strange sort of way I’m encouraged about the report of him trying to escape out the back, it doesn’t sound like it includes him using — trying to use a human shield. So that tends to indicate more that he might have been alone in the cabin, which, of course, would be very good news. CNN transcripts

What does “pushed’ back inside mean in this context, I don’t know. Was he forced back by gunfire? Seems like they would have just shot him in the back yard, right? Does it mean he was physically forced back into the burning building? How is that possible if this was the 270 pound ex-marine?

It’s an interesting development especially when you consider Dorner stayed across the street from the manhunt headquarters for a week , stayed on the naval base in San Diego after supposedly killing the couple and they just happened to “find’ his wallet next to the charred remains of a body after first finding the wallet in San Diego last week.

I wonder who they “pushed’ into that burning building.

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17 Responses

  1. I’m seeing an official report posted online by the LA Times, it states that on Feb. 7 they “later found DORNER’s personal belongings, including his wallet and identification cards, near the US/Mexico border at the San Ysidro Point of Entry,” when Dorner allegedly attempted to steal a boat in San Diego. Yet, today the news is reporting that his wallet was found in the burned building he allegedly died in?

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-new-clues-federal-records.html

  2. Did they ever show a picture of the cabin? the picture of that square house that sits a-long-yard across from a neighborhood of houses… ? they don’t seem like cabins to me … and none are at the back of that square building….
    another mystery … we’ll probable never know who was burned to death… any politicians missing?

  3. San Bernadino County tax record for 40700 Seven Oaks Rd Angelus Oaks, CA 92305, the alleged property. Owned by Curis Young and Donna Wrigley. Kyle Martin is effectively saying he is Donna’s son I suppose.

    https://www.mytaxcollector.com/trPropInfo_PI.aspx?parcel=030539101P000

    Map: http://www.scpr.org/news/2013/02/13/35928/police-confirm-remains–burned-cabin-christopher-d/

  4. They are quick, Scott is quick – its quickening.
    Am having a really hard time lately – you know – with keeping up.
    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    The stuff they put out lately is not even much fun in debunking anymore – YOU’r DOWN, I AM A MARINE – shit.
    Killary gave her goodbye speech at the CFR – should check it out on Voltaire net. really should check it out.
    There are still many freedoms to be had in the US, but they are by default – not checked – yet.
    The surveillance drones will give us many pictures – to disect.
    Where are we heading? Where are we? Stop the reels Scott? No! keep up, Make em know we are here and we will not let go – grrrr- grrrr. Yeah, you like the growl of a level head?
    AE will give you shit – at least in writing.
    Oh and Dorner – I have a feel.ing I will never know much more than distrust towards the official story and perhaps the reason why the story’s narrative had to be a certain way that if that did not work then the next story is good to go…

  5. Here, you have a report from a/the Sheriff saying they didn’t purposefully burn down the cabin? Huh?! I’ve listened to the video out there where the audio has them talking about the “burn plan”.

    http://www.charter.net/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CDA4E30H82%40news.ap.org%3E&ps=931

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  7. [...] Person in Cabin Tried to Escape out the Back When Fire Started. He was “Pushed” Back in “While the cabin was burning and they were “pushing” the suspect back inside to burn, the president was defending the use of drones and other “capabilities” in his extra-judicial assassination program, claiming the authority (based on secret letters) to continue to kill those deemed hostile to our “national interests” anywhere in the world at anytime… including San Bernardino California according to the NDAA 2012.” [...]

  8. Nice write up but you have nothing about the use of pyrotechnic tear gas and the police making sure the building burned all the way to the ground instead of putting it out.

    Same pyro used at Waco.

  9. At this time I am ready to do my breakfast, later than having my breakfast coming again to read
    additional news.

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