Aurora Massacre: “Prosecuters Say” = “Activists Say”… The Holmes show trial rolls along

by Scott Creighton

James Holmes is being tried in the court of public opinion by prosecutors and their apparently complicit accessories, the judge, the MSM and Holmes’ own state provided “defense”

The prosecution is taking full advantage of the judge’s imposition of a rarely seen gag order combined with his sealing all of the relevant evidence of the case.

They are doing this by way of using the reporters in the court as their megaphone to the country. The press, trained by years of subservience to the institutional powers of the imperial aggression in the White House,  will dutifully parrot anything mentioned in court without scrutiny, without examination, no matter how ludicrous and self-serving such “revelations” are to the state.

As the prosecution sets up their fictitious motive (the “life was over” angle) claiming they want records from the medical school to prove their case, they simultaneously demand an “in camera review” of said “evidence” which means “in chambers” review, far away from the public eye.

The press will never know the validity of the statements they report on as fact.

Hey! We have some evidence that proves this… but we don’t want you to actually see it! Just take our word for it” Powell on 9/11, Bush on Iraq WMDs, Obama on extra-judicial killings and the prosecution in the James Holmes “trial”

Just like the MSM is doing with regard to Syria and previously Libya, they are taking whatever the prosecutor says in court as verbatim fact and reporting it regardless of the fact that there is no evidence to support it. This is exactly like when the MSM reports on “activists say” news out of Syria. It’s completely baseless, they have to post a disclaimer somewhere in the article like “there is no way to verify these claims” but they go on to report them as fact anyway.

That is exactly what is happening right now in the James Holmes case and we should be damn angry about it.

Take for instance the prosecution’s claim that Holmes had been banned from the school. He wasn’t. According to officials at the school, he may have been banned from “restricted areas” like the research facility where he worked, but he was not banned from the campus altogether.

That didn’t stop the prosecution from making that statement, though they clearly knew the difference prior to making that statement in court. And it didn’t make the MSM outlets step back and wonder why the prosecution would make such an inflammatory statement in court. Instead, they simply regurgitated the deliberate misinformation as fact and a very few media sources eventually pointed out the “mistake”

But it wasn’t a mistake, it was deliberate.

Another example is the recent “news” out there that the prosecution has also stated in court that a classmate of Holmes’ now claims that he promised 4 months ago to go on a killing spree if his life were ever “over”

There is absolutely no evidence of this which can be processed and investigated by the press. The records are sealed and the gag order is in place.

Yet, every MSM outlet has rushed to publish this statement by prosecution as gospel truth.

“The defendant had conversations with a classmate about wanting to kill people in March 2012, and that he would do so when his life was over,” Arapahoe District Attorney Carol Chambers said in the filing dated Aug. 14 and made public Friday.” Newsday

There is no proof of this. No one can interview this witness and form a judgement as to his/her credibility. In fact, there is absolutely nothing that says this witness made this claim at all, or for that matter, nothing that proves this classmate ever met Holmes.

The “revelations” being reported by the press serve to answer one huge question many people have with this case: why?

There is no motive for this young man to have thrown his life away in such a manner and there is no explanation as to why he took out his alleged grievances on strangers in a movie theater.

The motive simply doesn’t exist. Until now.

This is part of the court filing put forward by prosecution knowing full well that there would be no evidence put out to the press to support ANY of these claims (click on image for larger view):

taken from People’s Response to Defendant’s Motion D-14 to Quash Subpoena Duces Tecum for Defendant’s Educational Records (filed Aug. 14, 2012)

Secret wars, secret trade agreements, secret presidential directives, secret memos allowing for extra-judicial murder, secret tax filings, secret code to count votes, secret societies, secret oaths, secret trials and secret evidence.

As the prosecution puts out the “life was over” meme in an attempt to provide the MSM with that crucial missing piece of the puzzle, motive, the defense is sitting back doing next to nothing except allowing prosecution to unchallenged opportunities to poison the well with unsupported claims.

The only thing the defense seem to be presenting to the world is that they think their client is mentally ill, which serves the same purposes as prosecution.

Simultaneously as the prosecution is being allowed to put forward their unsupported claims in their request for the records from the Anschutz Medical Campus, they put forward a request to present that evidence “in camera” meaning it will be viewed in the judge’s chambers and not seen by the public. (click on image for larger view)

taken from Order Re: Production of Documents and in camera Review [C-7] (Filed Aug. 16, 2012)

Glaring throughout all of this is how tightly woven the role of the Anschutz Medical Campus is to the entire prosecution of James Holmes.

  1. The so-called “stick figure drawing” discovery was “found” at Anschutz
  2. The statements by his alleged psychiatrist that she warned of his potential
  3. The 90 packages all delivered to the Anschutz school rather than his home
  4. The unsupported claim that he failed his oral exam
  5. The “email” that Holmes supposedly sent to withdraw from class
  6. The new classmate that claims he told him he planned on doing this

Everything is coming from the Anschutz school yet they won’t release documents to verify any of these claims and they forbid professors from talking to the press.

Now their records will be entered into court and never seen by the press for outside evaluation even though clearly the prosecution is tainting the jury pool well in advance of any real trial.

If we take them at their word, that Holmes was despondent over his alleged failure in school and for some unknown reason targeted innocent movie-goers in his rage, then we have to work very hard to overlook several other major issues with the official story namely the second gas mask, the discrepancy in the descriptions of the shooters, Holmes’ drugged out state when arrested, the fact they didn’t need to shoot him to detain him, the strange spine board lying near where Holmes was arrested, the goatee man who opened the door in the back of the theater, the calm experience manner in which a close quarters massacre took place at the hands of a young kid with no experience at all in harming anything and the obviously politically served circumstances of the attack itself which serves no one other than the oligarchy elites who seek to disarm America and destabilize the nation in preparation for savage austerity and martial law.

These facts, and they are FACTS, point to a very different explanation of what happened that night in that theater.

Now consider another rather OBVIOUS fact: while they are the key institution for providing all of this so-called evidence against Holmes, the Anschutz medical school has several very REAL motives for this attack.

  1. Anschutz received 407 million dollars in federal/private grants and funding $407.3 million, “including a three-year, $1.5 million award from the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality to create the Center for Excellence in Research in Implementation Science and Prevention (CRISP).” The rest of the contracts seem to be secret. Military contracts could certainly be involved.
  2. Anschutz purchased controlling interest in three theater chains in 2003 creating the Regal Entertainment Group. They have several theaters in Denver and Aurora and clearly Century 16 was one of their direct competitors.

Consider this:

  • the evidence of the delivered equipment, rests in the control of the school itself, yet the equipment was delivered to the school…
  • setting up Holmes would have been very easy for someone in the school close to him, perhaps a mentor, like say the one who claims Holmes was flunking out of school…
  • who would have an easier time drugging Holmes with something that would keep him incapacitated for a long period than a school which specializes in that kind of research?

Remember when NIST turned to the owner of CDI (Controlled Demolition Inc) to prove that there had been no controlled demolition at the Twin Towers?

Turns out, the owner of CDI just happened to have been in New York for the two months leading up to the attack and spent time in Building 7. They had explosive handling licenses in New York leading up to the attacks. They had demolition crews in New York working for months prior to 9/11, and they admit their crew was on hand, at the Twin Towers, 7 minutes or so after the first plane hit the first tower. They had the contract to oversee the clean up of the site, putting them in charge… and the owner of the company himself admitted to calling friends of his that day living in downtown New York and warning them that the buildings were going to fall even though no steel sky-scrapper had ever collapsed due to fire.

And he’s the one who provided the evidence that there was no controlled demolition on 9/11: “didn’t sound like a controlled demolition” and “not enough glass was broken around the site”

No one ever tested for high explosive residue because this guy said it wasn’t necessary.

This is becoming the standard of proof in America which is that absolutely none is needed.

Secret trials, secret evidence. The Holmes show trial rolls along.

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802 Responses

  1. I keep hoping his defense comes out with a super duper bit of info that will blow the prosecution out of the court room!

    • What do you make of these statements by Public Defender Daniel King? I see two possibilities, one on each extreme. The positive way to look at this is he’s basically saying, “Motive doesn’t matter, it’s the facts, and whether he actually carried out this crime”. The negative way is that an insanity plea requires no motive. If the prosecution can prove motive and prior intent (which months worth of planning and purchases would seem to), then that would block a successful insanity plea.

      “Defense lawyer Daniel King objected to the release of the records, calling the prosecution’s request a “fishing expedition.”

      “They already know all about Mr. Holmes’ history at CU. Why is it necessary to get more information when they have all the evidence, they have what they’re seeking?” he said.

      King added that the “prosecution is fishing around looking for motive. Motive is irrelevant. Intent is irrelevant.”"

      http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57499275/prosecutors-holmes-was-banned-from-university-after-threats/

      “Motive is not an element of any crime charged here,” King said. “It is is irrelevant what the motive is.”

      http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_21384695/prosecutor-alleged-theater-shooter-holmes-banned-from-cu-june-threats#ixzz24Qf5VRak

      “The defense argued that the prosecution’s request for records was too broad. Public defender Dan King called the request “nothing more than a fishing expedition” and said matters pertaining to his client’s personal life were not relevant.

      King also asserted that the state likely has seen school documents.”

      http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/justice/colorado-shooting/index.html

  2. Also serving the oligarchy, the fusillade fired by police on a crowded street to bring down a single shooter–like, “Stay home if you don’t like it, but we’re going to rule around here!”

    r ap

    • That story right there makes me wonder if the police mistook someone running out of theater 9 as suspect and shot em, and that’s being covered up. Someone ran into theater 8 and told everyone to stay in there, someones shooting people out in the lobby. I wonder if there was someone out there shot, yelling wtf the police shot me this is fucked up! That person or persons is probably deceased now though, because I never heard any witness mention a police officer shooting them. But actually people said there were officers running into the lobby of the theater with gas masks on as they were going out of the other theaters. All the witnesses reported people being shot by a guy with a gas mask on.

      • We fire on first responders over there, and mourners. It’s an attitude, cultivated, bound to bleed across lines.

        r

      • I also listened to a video the other day of a guy who was in theatre 8 (I think), and he also mentioned when he tried to go out the main entry/exit door, he was told to go back. So why, if James was apprehended and most of the shooting obviously took place in 9, was everyone being turned away from the lobby? What REALLY happened in that lobby?

  3. I don’t know how many here are aware of the person of interest developments that have been happening and the gas mask on the sidewalk spotted in the video. The one thing I got wrong was the Bonnie Kate sitting in blood, its actually mans video.

    I started asking questions of the guy who uploaded the Bonnie Kate Cell Videos and he pulled the videos. I got the screen shots of what we talked about up until he privatized them.

    Very interesting

    • Chris, Scott is going to check this out tomorrow….. he is preparing for a hurricane right now.. he put off doing it.. and the rain has started and in a couple of hours this area is supposed to be experiencing heavy rain and wind gusts.. then around 8am tomorrow we’ll be riding a cat 1…. not in full force but a 50 to 60 % force?
      this storm will be a cat 2 or more as it reaches Mississippi. & Louisiana ….. it is traveling slower now… guess it likes us :(

      That man’s leg … can they repair it? You know that hurt…. :(
      the mystery man…. why the secret? Man in black with a goatee!
      It has to be the shooter…. doesn’t it?

      • Is this man that took the videos saying that the man in black was wearing blue jeans? And was 22 years old and was named Alex? And he had his wife with him? Why is that mysterious? He must have been a wounded victim….
        But what happened to gas mask in the Bonnie Kate video? Is that man in black the same guy in jeans?

        • Yes he claims he shot the videos. He is saying there was one guy out there laying on the ground, and that his name is Alex. He confirmed like 3 times that the man whos legs it shows, he talked to him, and he is 100% sure that his name was Alex. He also said he didn’t know anything about any gas mask on the ground, didn’t see one there when he left the back at 1:30am, after they sealed the scene off.
          He also doesn’t know anything about what went out on the police radio at 1:04am (possible suspects running behind the theater with backpacks towards Alameda Ave) He claims he doesn’t remember any police activity out back around this time that would indicate that was going on. His video cuts out, then comes back in and there’s more commotion going on and the cop is asking “I don’t know if any of you guys saw that” and people were saying “yes we did” and it looks like the officer was asking them questions about something that just happened.

        • And sorry I had to have that grizley photo in there of the leg, but you can see that huge pool of blood under his leg. The background looks like a sidewalk. I guess Adan Avila could have been further down towards the white car, then that makes you wonder who the man in black was all over again. 4 people named Alex were wounded that night, 3 deceased. (must be a common name for a guy out there) The one who lived is Alex Espinzona, and he got wounded in the arm, and is not married, or his wife has a different last name if they are. That man laying on the back corner is not Alex Espinoza.

          • Why would an imposter be acting like he was the one who shot the video, when he actually didn’t? Why didn’t he let the news use his video, but then put it on youtube? Did DenverPost use his cell phone video in their Heros documentary without his permission then?

      • Jan10, stay safe during the storm – I know what you are going through. Best of luck to you

        • Thank you Smiley…. :)
          We lucked out… the storm took a sharp left hand turn and veered more Westward away from us…. so all we got was rain and a little wind.. and plenty of ‘scare’ from the media….
          I believe New Orleans is in for a rough ride….. not as bad as Katrina (cat 5).. but definitely bad enough……
          and maybe the mid states will get some rain out of all this.
          It has supposed to be past us now, but we have mountains of clouds piling up now… maybe just the back tail of the storm? sometimes those storms turn around and do a back track…. Mother Nature is amazing…..:(

          • Glad you are ok – last I’ve heard is that it made a landfall so hopefully the worst is over. I used to live in New Orleans, and I remember the hurricanes, tropical storms, stockpiling, boarding windows and all that fun :(

    • I find it interesting that the witness says that when he got back to the parking lot, “cops were searching random cars for explosives. . . [and] were even breaking out windows in random cars.” WTF? Was this before or after they got to Holmes? Could this have something to do with the smashed windows on the passenger side of the white car? Considering that they used a robot to search Holmes’ car for explosives later in the night, presumably so as not to detonate anything or taint evidence, I find it weird that smashing random car windows would be deemed okay if bombs were actually in the cars?

      • This was after 1:30am then. According to him, he was at the corner of that theater until 1:30am, then left as police were sealing off the back crime scene. After 1:30am he says he went to the parking lot, and left the theater property around 3:00am.

        • His statements suggest that the police at that time either suspected more than one perpetrator or that Holmes had placed bombs in other people’s cars in the lot.

      • And yes that does seem weird. Did they have an explosives dog alert on these cars or what? There was like hundreds of cars out there, were they just smashing out windows for fun, because they could, or what? How many cars did the dog alert to?

      • There was a bomb found in a car in the front (West) parking lot according to the Aurora PD scanner. Also, early reports said that there was a bomb in the theater, and a doctor was quoted over the police scanner saying that a bomb must’ve gone off somewhere.

        • i heard all of those things also.the doctor said there was a bomb that went off somewhere in that theater for sure though

        • Hey kiwasabi, do you have a source I could read about the bomb found in the car in the front parking lot? That sounds pretty damning to there being multiple shooters to me. Thanks!

    • I suspect that one or two individuals who have demonstrated a pattern of harassing these types of witnesses, labeling them phonies, got under this guys skin, and he got sick of it all so he made everything private. I wish those people would stop with the accusations so that we can continue to access this materials and ask the questions we need to ask to reach our own conclusions.

      You did a good job of asking this guy for additional information and saving the screen shots, though, Chris.

      • Yeah, and it was the previous night that Thomas Brinkley was expressing his opinion to the guy on the geniune-ness of his videos, mainly the pedigree as far as the upload date. Thomas Brinkley seemed satisfied with his proof, and I don’t think anyone was hatin on him on the day he took the videos down. The timing of the takedown was a point of interest.

      • Yeah, it really would be nice Polaris. Kinda makes you wonder eh?

  4. Chris, you have good hearing! I could not make out what they were saying… (my hearing problem… not the video)…
    has there been any other movie goer that commented on ‘what they saw,,, that the police where asking them about’?
    Holmes had already been apprehended… and the police were after another suspect? and now, haven’t they hushed that up?

    And how do you know an imposter was pretending he took the video?
    I missed that part too…
    so the man who took the video , has withdrew them….why? Do you think he was forced to? Or trying to sell them?

    • He claimed he feels bad he even took the video, and never sold it. I find a lot of conflicting issues with his story. He withdrew his videos at a highly suspicious moment in time.

  5. What’s the deal with the pops behind them in theater 8? I’ve heard multiple witnesses talk about those pops behind them. Flashes even. How many people were shot in theater 8? Does anybody know? It sounds like theater 8 was pretty smokey too, it must have been outrageously smokey inside theater 9. I believe the theory that multiple gunmen dressed in the same way would have been identified by people as one guy. If they stayed far enough apart, you would only be able to see one at a time. That explains all the various locations for the shooter in 9, all the way from staying in one spot in the front, to going up and down the aisles (on both sides) to looking down the hallway checking something. There’s no way one guy could be all those places in 60-90 seconds unless he was speedy gonzalez, but they never mentioned him running in there either.

    • Here’s another witness from 8. About 3:50 in is critical

    • Chris, great find. James Holmes never implicated himself in any way.

      I think there was only one shooter dressed in the all black tactical armor. I say this because there was one full set of it found out by James’ car. It seems there were 3 gas masks total, however. The one at the NE corner, the weird one with the tube connected to the backpack/oxygen tank, and another by the right rear tire of James’ car.

      So I think you had the guy in the blue and white plaid shirt who had on a gas mask, threw a smoke grenade, had a shotgun and a pistol. It’s possible he was the one who opened the emergency exit. Then you had the guy in the all black tactical armor. He never shot a shotgun. The only reports you hear of him are with the AR-15 and then it jammed, so he switched to the pistol. But there were indeed victims with buckshot from a shotgun in them. So there were definitely two shooters.

      • Did you confirm the gas mask by the right rear tire? And you forgot about the one in front of the dumpster by his gear. That one is for sure confirmed

        • Difficult to confirm the one by the right rear tire.

          As for the one in front of the dumpster, are you talking about this one, with the hose connected to the backpack? If not, I’d like to see the pictures/video you have.

          http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ab501f3aae.jpg

        • car rear tire is confirmed dateline video, has some sort of yellow seal around mouth peace but 100% confirmed. 4 total gas masks.

          • Source please.

          • ……dam that took me forevor to find…. but here 4min mark

            And the other mask by the swat gear seems to have a much different filter style, also the mas by the door is hooked to a hose and back
            pack. 2:12 in this video for mask by the gear

          • Thanks for following up. So either 3 or 4 gas masks.

          • 4 masks I have scene 1 by the swat gear, 2 by the right rear of the car and 3 is a mask attached to a back pack with hose, and 4 is way out on the corner. We have no idea who dropped any of them.

          • Rescue personnel will be the official line on all of this. Police already told me that when I asked them if there were two. Don’t forget to throw in a splash of “chaos and confusion” and bam, bs is turned into fact. I’m really tired of the “chaos and confusion” line.

  6. I think the visibility in theater 9 was about 2 feet, multiple witnesses reported shooter all over theater
    as long as shooters were more then 10 feet apart, you’d never see 2.
    everybody in 8 heard shots behind them then somebody came in and said they re shooting people in the lobby
    we need to find some really damning shit on that bonnie kate vid tho…ok later
    one more thing, im guessing one canister was smoke, the one closest to him, and one was tear gas. thats why you hear tear gas, but it was so smokey
    he let the smoke fill up the area by him before he started shooting. that was the staging time. that first shot in the air was to get everyone down or running away, and was probably the signal for the team to enter. The first original guy stays in one place while the others stream in behind the screen in that open area back there. they pop out one by one and probably did one lap around and were out

    • may have been a Sirhan sirhan style where holmes was standing there in the corner shooting randomly off into the air, not even hitting anyone, except the people in 8

    • I think you are getting close, sir. I applaud your efforts.

    • James Holmes was in his car the entire time. I do not believe there were more than two shooters.

      • two sounds about right. second guy didn’t come in until it was super smokey

        • Or he threw the 2nd gas canister while standing in the hallway/doorway. Then he kept people from exiting that door, shooting them with the shotgun buckshot at close range.

          • Maybe the pause in the shooting was for the other shooter to run up the aisle to the lobby, perhaps that was the “reload/jam” pause in the shooting?

            If it was multiple shooters they would need some sort of way to communicated to each other while wearing gas masks. ie “Ok I’m in the lobby I’m clear you can continue fire, over.”

            …………………………

            A few others bringing this up and it seems like a great question…

            Did anyone say they actually saw the shooter in the lobby or do they all just say they were told to not go to the lobby because the shooter was “out there”?

            I mean if the shooter was in the Lobby what the fu*ck was he doing buying popcorn and milk duds? Did anyone get shot in the lobby?

            For some reason people in 8 were boxed in, shooter in the back and shooter in the lobby?….seems like there may be more here….

          • I don’t think so. Originally people thought it was coordinated so that it coincided with a shooting scene in theater 9. But now it seems like it was timed so that it coincided with a shooting scene in the nearby theaters (8 at least). This is because people who weren’t under threat of being shot wouldn’t have hesitated to call 911 right away, whereas people in theater 9 were unable to call 911.

            I stick behind this officer’s deduction of what happened because he had taken statements for a good hour or so.

            Blue SE
            1:54am
            “Aurora cruiser 49
            Talking to people making statements, it sounds like we had two shooters, one who was in theater 8 seated, another one who came from the outside into theater 9. Sounds like it was a coordinated
            attack.”

            I think that Shooter 1 (man in blue and white plaid shirt) left theater 8, opened the theater 9 emergency exit door for Shooter 2, returned to theater 8 after door was propped open. He waited for the shooting scene to be about to start, then radioed Shooter 2. They each threw a tear gas or smoke grenade, waited for them to fill up the theater so as to keep people from seeing anything, then opened fire. They shot people who attempted to leave. They had access to the 911 calls going out, and once Colorado Public Safety started receiving 911 calls, they ran out of the theater.

            It is possible that Shooter 1 left from a different exit than Shooter 2, which would explain the gas mask on the NE corner of the theater.

            I speculate that Shooter 1 had a backpack with the shotgun, smoke grenade, and gas mask. However, Corbin Dates never mentioned him having a backpack. It’s highly unlikely he would’ve left it unattended in the other theater as he went to open the emergency exit. So this remains an unanswered question.

  7. NEWLY DISCOVERED VIDEO OF AURORA LOCALS, JACKIE MITCHELL AND MYRON ZELNICK, CASTS SERIOUS DOUBT UPON THE OFFICIAL DARK KNIGHT MASSACRE STORY.

    http://darkknighttruth.wordpress.com

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHYfm2pvZwU&w=560&h=315%5D

    • Great job finding all these videos! Very appreciative of your reporting. I do think that the AFF pictures are him however. He has very distinctive lips for a man. He could have dyed his hair orange, then brown, then orange. That said, I don’t think its beyond the realm of possibility that someone else hacked into his acct and wrote the “will you visit me in prison?” line or perhaps that is a line from a movie/tv show, etc. that coincidentally was on his profile. Whats the most telling about Jackie Mitchells interview is the behavior of JH only two days before. If he truly was spiraling out of control then I doubt he would be calmly discussing sports over beers with a stranger. In addition, I think the whole “my life is over” line is bs from the prosecution, because perhaps they have nothing else to go on. If his “life was over” he would have killed himself too. Why anyone would voluntarily submit themselves to prison when their life is over would be beyond me. I would rather die than be sent to solitary. Its borderline inhumane if you ask me.

      • Also the same information on a cached okcupid profile was found and it did not have the “will you visit me in prison” line. He deleted the occupied profile in April.

        • Nice find. I’ve always been a little unsure of the dating site profile pictures. They really don’t look much like him (but may very well be). Certainly though they are less like him than the booking photo (which is clearly him). and yet the booking photo is the one numrous people (shills?) have been trying to use to show its a different person.

        • So the ok Cupid profile had the pics of him with red hair, but he had deleted his profile in April?

          • The ok cupid profile did not have the pictures as far as what I saw was cached, but did have the same information that was on the match.com profile. It showed it was deleted sometime in April.

  8. Incredible article Mr.Creighton. I really appreciated your efforts.

    • Thank you. I’m glad someone notices the article up there and isn’t just putting up one video after the other… it would kinda be nice to see someone discussing the information involved exposed in the article for a switch… that would be nice.

      • Your article is good …. I think I understand it… not as well as you, but the fact that the school is working to support the ‘set-up’ against Holmes….is highly suggestive that the school will or has already benefited from the actions? And that the school is working hand and hand with the destabilization of America through separate and multiple horror like events…. and now (in your new article about the Police unions being disbanded in Camden, New Jersey) it looks like ‘they’ are almost finished with us …. it is scary to me.

      • Sorry, I appreciate your efforts as well! I think we all just have too much to say about everything /-:

      • I like the CDI reference. I heard something about that back in the day, but I forgot. How obvious can it get? That was a huge scandal that most people are not aware of.

      • I really appreciate all your articles. The comments can get overwhelming and somewhat off topic from the specific article (but still in line with the overall theme) but I do like seeing all the info people have dug up and I get caught up in commenting on that and watching all those videos and forget to say thanks! There’s so much shady crap going on that I never even realized before and you lay it out in a way that even my noobie brain can grasp (although I miss some of the finer points, I get the gist.)

      • Scott, the article you posted was eloquently stated, and I agree with every word of it. Apologies for not commenting directly, but I was in a hurry to get the Jackie Mitchell/Myron Melnick interview in play. It has been missing for over a month, and not only are Mitchell’s statements huge, but Melnick is not willing to state Holmes wasn’t there, only that Holmes wasn’t a regular. Melnick comes off much less believable than Mitchell, who I find to be absolutely compelling. Furthermore, the NY Times today confirmed that a neighbot named “Dudee” als stated that Holmes had brown hair back in early July.

        We are witnessing a staged “show” as you call it. It’s a greater production than most can imagine possible. And trying to expose it seems almost futile, but I believe it can be done. Either mistakes were made, or they appear to be made. This is not ending now. There is a window here to expose what happened. We cannot allow the word impossible to dictate what the end game may be. The truth can prevail. But it’s going to take some very hard work, tenacity and iron will. The families of the victims may not want to deal with what we are saying, but we must keep working on facts facts facts.

        Jackie Mitchell, and Corbin Dates have thrown a monkey wrench into this operation. But the truly incredible facts are coming soon. I know this. I have information.

        So much is coming in the days ahead. I don’t mean to hype, but I have blockbuster stuff on the way. It will probably result in a drastic response by the PTB. “The Pronouncement team” mentioned on the police scanner tapes is controlling this show, but they have left themselves naked.

        Scott, you put my blog on the map by linking to it with the hat tip. I am placing you in my blog roll now. I do apologize for not making contact sooner in a personal way. Unfortunately, I am in the position of having to post and run. I do not wish to be identified, and I am afraid that the PTB may be on to me. Police came to my house the other day saying that “we are here because your alarm went off”, but I don’t have an alarm. As of today, I will have one as a result of this interesting visit.

        Furthermore, I have never posted anything about this case from my house. So that makes it even more problematic.

        I will break some heavy stuff this week. The story needs to be told and the main stream media is going to try to stop the truth from being told. They must fail.

        Thank you for all the work you are doing. I appreciate it. And the nation will appreciate it. If I don’t respond in detail on a post in the future, know that it is only due to my need to post and run. The eye in the sky is always on.

        I am not new to investigation, and I do know how to break a story. For now, I must remain anonymous. I look forward to your reporting on this case. I know you have many topics on your site, but, in my opinion, nothing is as important as getting to the truth in this case. Just for a moment, try to imagine what it would mean to our country to catch the criminals out and prove it by new media.

        The main stream media are nothing but tabloids now. They just make stuff up and hide what they aren’t allowed to report. That’s why the full Corbin Dates video and the full Jackie Mitchell videos have been missing for a month. The good news is that there are some heavy people working beside us. Nuff said…

        DARK KNIGHT ORACLE

        http://darkknighttruth.wordpress.com

        • Someone called into the Tom Martino show when Wayne Madsen was on there who said he had a drink with James Holmes at the Zephyr as well. I’m pretty positive it was a different person. That bar just wants to disassociate itself from this incident as much as possible, which is understandable.

        • I’ll look forward to your forthcoming revelations. All the hard work that everyone here has put into discovering the truth is staggering. Props to everyone for continuing the dialogue and analyses.

    • @Willyloman:

      My comment at the top is very relevant. I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts as well as others.

      http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/08/26/aurora-massacre-prosecuters-say-activists-say-the-holmes-show-trial-rolls-along/#comment-42937

      • kiwasabi

        It’s a good find and an extremely important question. I think in the end, this quote, your first one, draws us the closest to the intent of the defense attorney:

        “They already know all about Mr. Holmes’ history at CU. Why is it necessary to get more information when they have all the evidence, they have what they’re seeking?” he said.

        King added that the “prosecution is fishing around looking for motive. Motive is irrelevant. Intent is irrelevant.””

        this either hints as the weakness of the evidence against Holmes or it suggests they intend to plea out and the rest is pointless.

        Of course, it isn’t pointless… the prosecutors are releasing these statements in court in an effort to answer the growing question of motive or lack thereof in the public sphere.

      • It seems to me the prosecution is just feeding the media, further convicting James Holmes in the court of public opinion. They already know that he wasn’t kicked out of the school, that he withdrew voluntarily. But now the media is claiming death threats were made, and the average person is going to assume this is true.

        I really hope the Public Defenders aren’t setting up an insanity plea. They already mentioned “their client’s mental illness” several times in the last hearing, though… I think they’re keeping him drugged and vulnerable. It sounds like they’re able to do that if they deem his mental state to be a threat or some such. It’s guilty until proven innocent afterall..

  9. WILLY. IVE BEEN TRYING TO CONTACT YOU. YOU NEED TO CHECK THIS OUT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWRvAGVYr-w

    • I don’t understand the Coors baseball Rottman stuff, please explain.

      Also, do you think the goatee victim was part of it?

      Do you think all of the victims in your video are “in on it”?

  10. Incredible panning close up of the all the gear left near the car and the best look I have seen regarding one of the hardest gas masks for me to confirm of the four left behind the theater.

    It’s at 2:12ish.

    • “unresponsive from the beginning”, even before his parents appointed him the public defenders. if he was a guilty schizophrenic as everyone has been saying, wouldn’t he be talking about his delusions. sounds more like someone who is not trying to incriminate themselves, i.e. someone who possibly didn’t do it.

  11. Interesting – NY Times provides us with a potential diagnosis, as well as some info about Holmes’ student days I have not seen before – I wonder how credible the sources are.
    Link:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/us/before-gunfire-in-colorado-theater-hints-of-bad-news-about-james-holmes.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

    • Had she(a fellow grad student) heard of “dysphoric mania,” James Eagan Holmes wanted to know?

      Here we go again……

      A dysphoric mania consists of a manic episode with depressive symptoms

      The word derives from the Greek “μανία” (mania), “madness, frenzy”[2] and that from the verb “μαίνομαι” (mainomai), “to be mad, to rage, to be furious”.[3]

      ROFLMAO. SO this cold calculating, calm, silent, emotionless, terminator like shooter who surrenders meekly has dysphoric mania………………….right………….

      Was this shooter in a mad rage frenzy, according to any witnesses? hell fuck*ng no!

    • As credible as my ass!

      Nevertheless, this is a fascinating article. It contradicts itself by first claiming that Holmes made a slow decline into mania, but then only providing quotes that suggest he was cracking jokes and completing fantastic work well through the midpoint of his second semester. It sounds like he had been doing very well. And the description the article paints of Holmes could very well be a description of myself or any number of my friends and associates. Sounds like someone I would seek out to be friends with if I weren’t already. It’s scary to think that there are people out there who would find quiet, unobtrusive, introspective, witty behavior aberrant or abnormal.

      The article does tell us that Holmes never completed his withdrawal from the university–something that Scott has speculated about before (that Holmes perhaps had NOT withdrawn). Technically, it’s true; he didn’t complete the paperwork necessary to withdraw according to this article. According to the “sources” cited in the article, Holmes seems to have maintained his normal life, cycling about town, picking up food, having a beer at the local tavern, etc.

      Interesting that antidepressants can aggravate “dysphoric mania.” Sounds like someone is cruising for a malpractice lawsuit, or maybe the University is gearing up to throw Fenton under the bus.

      In any case, this new “diagnosis” could possibly help the defense, although it’s not as if they’re aiming for anything loftly like, oh, defending Holmes’ innocence…

      • Even if Holmes did ask a fellow student about dysphoric mania, the context of this text is purely one-sided. Perhaps he asked because someone he knew suffers from it, thus the response that “it was” controlled and implicating that it wasn’t at that point. I could see, if the girlfriend rumors were true, perhaps it was about her, not him. On another site, they have been analyzing the songs from an online playlist thought to be his. Something of this sort might explain some of the sad love songs on there. He may have felt that he was “bad news” because he may have felt responsible for that break. Or, maybe he was being a sarcastic a$$ and was implying that the girl had it because perhaps she was sending him mixed signals and he was fed up with it. :) All signs actually point to the guy being pretty caring and kind hearted. I can see him internalizing someone’s problems that he cared deeply about.

        Yes, it’s speculation but I think this article is speculation as well with these texts. They’re one-sided and, the person talking about receiving them obviously had no clear idea of what was going on in James’ head.

        And, I’m totally confused. Here, it says he had two months left on his lease but in other reports it says that he had just moved into a new apartment a few weeks prior to the shooting. Good grief! Which is it?

        I see A LOT of inconsistencies in this report, and inaccuracies, for something that, no doubt, the writer has been working on for weeks to get all of these stories.

        Throwing this out there. I’ve been waiting for something to come of it but haven’t seen or heard a word sense. As a former newspaper reporter, I always look for the things that seem inconsequential to others. For instance, I like to listen to the background talk during televised interviews. In the interview with the family’s attorney, someone asks a question from the crowd that is ignored. The person asked if it was true that Holmes’ dad had moved out of the family residence in May. Of course, she ignored the question. But I wonder… My parents divorced when I was in college and, yes, my personality was markedly different those first few months. IF, yes, big IF his parents were indeed having some sort of difficulty that would have been weighing heavily on him.

        Point is, the things we really need to know to put meaningful dialogue around Holmes’ mental state and what he may have been dealing with in his personal life just aren’t out there for us to see. These dribbles here and there that are true one moment and debunked the next are aggravating.

        Another thing to note: boy they pound in that Subway reference, don’t they? We know that one of his victims worked at that particular Subway. So, are they trying to suggest that he knew this girl personally before the shooting???

        • All good points, Grasshopper. Do you happen to have the link(s) referencing the playlist speculated to belong to Holmes?

          • http://nerdvirginsforjamesholmes.tumblr.com/post/29615227884/james-holmes-and-music

            No one is sure its really his, of course. As one commenter pointed out, it has some dub step which James’ AFF account said he didn’t like, but who knows if that was even real!

          • This tumblr account is the person (I think) who may deserve credit for originally finding this account. The writer provides some compelling analysis of some of the songs on there in various posts on this account: http://analyzingjh.tumblr.com/

            Additionally, here is a direct link to the playlist: http://grooveshark.com/#!/user/James+Holmes/14061084

            If you go to “Play Recent” you will be able to see the last songs played from the account. You’ll note that the last time it was played was July 20th. Speculation that perhaps a song was chosen from this list and Holmes had it on a timer to play at midnight.

            No verification, of course, that it is the correct James Holmes. However, the song choices and the fact that it was an account that was used almost daily and hasn’t been used since the shooting is telling. Additionally, I noted that when you pull the timeline of the specific things we know that Holmes was doing, it’s interesting to see that there are specific periods of not playing (for a week after he withdrew from classes. So did he go somewhere? Maybe he went home to tell his parents?) and you can see when some specific songs are added. I’m the type who plays music that corresponds to my mood/feelings/thoughts during times of emotional turmoil. Wondering if some of these songs say the same.

            I won’t lie. I choked up when I listened to “Sitting on the Dock of the Bay.” It’s one of the last songs added by this Holmes before the shooting.

          • Thanks grasshopper. I just looked up the lyrics to the Otis Redding song. I’m trying to avoid ascribing meaning where there is none but it’s hard. The lyrics are poignant and maybe they did mean something to him, but I have liked and listened to that song many times without really paying attention to the words. I also Listen to “sad” songs even when I’m not unlucky in love or feeling down. So I don’t know, something to ponder I guess.

        • Thanks for the links! Part of my academic background is in music, so it’s kind of my life, one of my primary interests, and to learn that Holmes may have had an online playlist is like hitting the psychological profiling jackpot! lol Music is the universal language, and it usually it figures prominently in most people’s lives. My guess is that an introvert like James would find meaning or refuge in it. Going to check out the playlist now! This should be good (if it’s his)!

          • Oh, he has “Kill Everybody” by Skrillex on his playlist. Clearly that combined with his orange hair means he’s guilty.

          • I think you are misreading my intentions, kiwasabi. I’m not looking for “evidence” to prove/disprove anything via music, lol. Heck, my music collection would land me in jail if that were possible.

          • Nah I understood. I’m just getting tired of people trying to analyze what caused James Holmes to massacre innocent civilians when he didn’t even do it.

          • I don’t believe he did. Just want insight into his personal preferences and to know how sophisticated (or not) his musical taste is, how engaged he was in pop culture, and further proof of “normalcy.” I’m sure that the general public would have a field day with it, though.

            Noticed some Skrillex on the playlist, which would seem to further support that the social network profiles attributed to him are bogus, as they indicate that he doesn’t like dubstep.

            Also, the activity stops after July 20, and yes, there was a break of about a week after June 12. What I also find significant is that he appears to have edited his playlist regularly, including the days leading up to the shooting. I’d like someone to explain to me how and why someone who is allegedly to have been busily making sophisticated bombs and plotting to kill people, someone who felt his life was nearing an end, would care to update his playlist? ‘Cause to me, that is something I would do if I were, for instance, thinking about playing it while working out or while conducting tedious experiments in the neuroscience lab. I don’t think I’d give a flying flip about updating my playlist if I were busy setting up mortars and jars of gasoline in my kitchen!

          • He needed the right music to distract him from the fact that he had no idea how to build bombs and trip wires.

      • Polaris, not trying to add unnecessary levity to the conversation, but your first sentence made me laugh so hard :)
        I too am geting really tired about all this loner, shy, introvert – millions of people are like that and are productive and non-threatening members of the society. Milions of people play video games (myself included) and do not go around shooting people. Just like any other stereotyping, this is annoying.

    • I’m not sure I believe the classmate got those texts at all but if she did, is it possible someone besides JH sent them, like they were acting like him but it was someone else? She apparently said they corresponded by text but he would walk past her without looking at her or acknowledging her in the hallway. Lol who does that? Maybe someone who barely knows who the girl is and has not actually been texting her…

      The whole thing is questionable though and certainly the context is missing.

      • Of course it’s possible. They already admitted it. Remember Yeom Lee, the person of interest in this case a while back?

        “Sources tell Justin Joseph someone made either a call or a text from the person of interest’s phone threatening violence if James Egan Holmes was not released from jail. That call prompted police to issue an alert to find and detain him.”
        http://kdvr.com/2012/07/21/police-looking-for-second-person-of-interest-in-theater-shooting/

        And then the FBI let him go because the messages came from his phone, but they were just routed through somehow by someone else.

        This is probably what happened here. By the time the truth comes out, the damage will already be done. It possibly won’t even come out, they don’t have to use it in court.

        • I think this business about Yeom Lee warrants some additional questioning. For instance, I would like to know who would route something like that through Lee’s phone and why? The person would have to be someone who knew that Lee was in Holmes’ program of study. It must have been someone who knew both Lee and Holmes. Who was this person? What did he/she know? Why would he/she attempt to get Lee into trouble? Could it be the same person or group who framed Holmes?

          • This is supposed to be a video of Lee’s “rotation” presentation, not sure what exactly that is but I do wonder who recorded it, and were all students’ presentations recorded? Jimmy’s too?

          • My buddy told me there an ap for android and iphone that will show any number you want it to on the caller id. It’s weird the FBI couldn’t figure out where the text really came from tho

        • there is an app called spoof card. You can call, email, or text someone and you can make it from any # or email that you want.not the one its actually being sent from.

      • I think the big question is what are we gonna do about it? I’m ready to go to the FBI with some information, but I’m figuring out what is anything that they would be able to do anything about. That way I could focus on things that are actionable if they don’t want to sit and listen to my theories and information for 5 or 6 hours.

        I’m thinking the gas mask on the corner that wasn’t there in the cell phone video may be something. The crime scene would have been sealed off at one point, and nobody should have been dropping stuff onto it over an hour after the crime. The cell phone video that shows the mask not there in the parking lot was around 1:06am. The man who shot the video claimed to be on that corner till around 1:30am and there was no mask in the parking lot when he left.

        They may also actually be able to find out what kind of gas masks were regulation for Aurora PD, and find out that way if the mask on the corner belonged to a police officer or not. And also notify them that a gas mask was possibly found by the rear right tire of the white car, and another mask was found in front of the dumpster with the rest of the gear. Since the shooter had a gas mask on, they need to focus on the gas masks.

        Does anyone else have any input on this? Anyone have any experience dealing with the FBI or what their power is as far as stepping in and investigating other investigators in their agency, or double checking their work? I will call my local office, not the Denver one obviously. Does anybody have any input on what kind of leads would actually be fruitful for them to look into?

        • Unfortunately, I feel like nobody can be trusted. Wasn’t there an FBI guy right beside Oates during conferences? When he was lying through his teeth? It almost looked like Oates had rehearsed what to say with that guy.

      • I agree, and the one text where “he” tells someone that she’s distracting him? That doesn’t sound at all like the James that MSM has been describing. And why not post her texts as evidence? There’s never proof of anything they say.

    • Okay. I just logged into ebay, searched for myself in the ebay member profile directory, and found my user name. I then searched ebay user “sherlockbond” (referenced in the article) and received this message: “No profiles match the member name or info you entered.”

      So the writers responsible for this article somehow accessed this user profile, deduced with 100% certainty that it belonged to James Holmes, read feedback comments the user had made, and now . . . it’s immediately wiped from ebay? Somehow I doubt it. In fact, I doubt that this tidbit about Holmes and ebay is even based in reality.

      If anything, it looks like the writers got their idea from this thread on GLP, which was begun weeks ago. I particularly like the comment that says, “Google ‘world’s greatest detective’ and [crap] bricks.” Freaky! http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1932381/pg1

  12. Are you kidding me? Have they not seen the list of specialites the students in his program were studying and doing presentations on: psycopathy, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc. It seems very unlikely that he and the other graduate students would be unaware of the details of bipolar disorder, especially given that (at least) one of them did a presentation on it in May.

    Knowing the utter lack of scruples of the prosecution its highly likely they’ve taken stuff out of context, connected random lines from differenty conversations or just made stuff up.

    People should archive that Times article before they edit it. It has a lot of stuff in it that could prove to be distorted or outright lies as well as some that are already contradictory.

    “In early June, he did poorly on his oral exams. Professors told him that he should find another career, prosecutors said at a hearing last week.”

    Later they make clear (in the same article) that the oral assessment wasn’t important and could be retaken. Also that at least one of his supervisors regarded his work as “spectacular”.

    Also
    “Mr. Dudee, his neighbor, saw him in mid-July, his hair still its normal brown.”

    So, after the Match.com profile was made? If his hair had ever been orange before this surely someone would have mentioned it.

    “Perhaps in a sign of ambivalence, he never took the forms he had filled out to the graduate dean’s office, the final step in withdrawing from the university.”

    This means then that he hadn’t actually dropped out?

    His friend who met him in December said he felt someone was bullying him. A professor advising a change of career when he otherwise seemed to be performing excellently is definitely that.

    • I agree. Even a layperson can take a guess at what dysphoric mania is. Why would a PhD student studying neuroscience and recently completing a graduate-level course on related topics need to ask a friend what the illness is?

      • I think it was more like James was asking if she heard of it so that he wouldn’t have to explain it. I think, if this is true, that he already knew what it was, but wanted to make sure she’s heard of it before.

        • Yes. I also suspect that James was being sarcastic and employing wry humor when (IF!) he said to stay away because he’s bad news!

  13. Good article lot of work went into that. One thing for clarification. It’s my understanding that Holmes access to the university was terminated while his withdrawl was going thru. Which still contradicts what the prosecution is saying, which is that he was “banned for threats” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO7EDvDt8eQ

    • the university is changing their story now? They previously said they terminated his access during the withdrawl process, which is standard procedure. Is it cool for them to just be lying and changing their story like that?

      • If they’re worried about a fair trial for Holmes, why are they releasing all this damning info against him. Sealing the case is basically giving the prosecution a chance to say any bullshit it wants to pull out of its ass. Sealing this case is totally counterproductive to any reason they are giving for sealing the case.

        And do you like what they did with D-14?

        “James Holmes access was restricted after June 12 after he made threats at the school”

        that’s like

        Oh yeah, I lost my car insurance after June 12 after the theater shooting. (the two have nothing to do with each other, but one happened before the other)

        They are fraudulently equating one thing with another, based on their wording of the statement.

  14. wow! I wonder what they’ll say?

    Families of victims slain in Colorado theater shootings plan public statement; topic unknown

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/families-of-victims-slain-in-colorado-theater-shootings-plan-public-statement-topic-unknown/2012/08/27/1ec87382-f068-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_story.html

    • Lord in heaven, this case makes me want to cry like none i’ve heard in the news before. If he did it or didn’t, I’m not 100 percent sure, however the families speaking is a huge revelation. They want to speak to:
      -benefit the victims
      -speak of behind the scenes developments
      -unspecified events that need to be addressed
      This sounds like it could possibly be something big. What would they want to say that would benefit the victims? Perhaps that police work is shoddy or they think there is another suspect. I can’t imagine what else would be so vital for them to all speak at this point in time on behalf of the victims. God, this world makes less sense to me the older I get. )-:

    • You know what this is right? The families have been researching what happened to their family members and who did it and why.

      • We can only hope and pray, Chris.

      • I have a sinking feeling about this, a very, very bad feeling.

        I do hope you’re right, though, Chris.

        My guess is that maybe they’re coming forward to voice their support of either (1) the death penalty, or (2) life in prison, or (3) unsealing records/opening the proceedings to the public.

        They could also be coming forward to try to suppress all of us who are active in cracking this case here and elsewhere. Fat chance of that. They had better not even attempt it.

        • I doubt it’s #1 or #2, because it says they are going to “speak with one voice for all the victims” and some of the victims already forgave Holmes.

          They have also been in court with Holmes, that could factor in to what it is. Maybe Holmes said something in court and none of the media reported it.

          Most likely the family members were getting brickwalled for information about the crime by the police, so they went looking on their own. If they have been researching the case half as much as any of us, we know what conclusion they came to. I’d put my money on that one.

        • Chris, we can only hope. But they could be calling for the death penalty, or speaking about a lawsuit on behalf of all those killed.

    • My first thought was that they were going to ask for privacy or something. I really don’t think it will be anything good for Holmes, such as blowing the case open, but I hope I’m wrong.

  15. http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2012/08/27/james-holmes-portrait-of-an-alleged-murderer/
    I find this article interesting. Written by a psychologist, he says in the article that many people have the same traits that were described in the recent Times article and they DON’T commit mass murder. So basically he says the article says a whole lot of nothing. Just interesting to hear it from a psychologists point of view.

    • Found this: Another next-door neighbor, Hannah, 30, who didn’t want to give her last name, said she saw police cars when she left for work at 3:30 a.m. She didn’t think twice about it. “There were police in the parking lot, but no crime scene tape. I heard about it on the radio going to work. I didn’t connect the two. They had a K9 unit out, but I was able to walk through (an empty lot next to the building).”

      So they didn’t have crime scene tape up at 3:30 a.m.? He was apprehended at 12:40 and supposedly told cops his apartment had explosives and then stopped talking afterwards. Then why would they not have tape up by 3:30 a.m.?

  16. I’ve taken a day off of reading… just caught up.

    Dont get your hopes up. I think its about a memorial site. Or lawsuit.
    I heard something about it coming up at 5PM Denver News, but turned it off. Most Holmes news here makes my head almost explode.

    I’ll see what they say at 10 PM

    • Yep… “big news” is their complaints about where all the donation money has gone for victims.

      Absolutely legit complaint, but honestly, did you think they would be speaking up for Holmes?

      I think that has to come from us.

      • Sigh….I’m glad they’re speaking up cuz of course with every tragedy, somebody has to be sinister with charity money. This happens with every tragedy cuz sometimes humanity sucks. I was hoping it was something big and revealing……oh well….i guess now i can stop sleuthing and go to bed. Night all!

  17. I really wish some big name defense attorney would take on his case. I don’t understand how there is not one high powered defense attorney who hasn’t jumped all over this just for the sheer attention of it or fame. There’s usually one out in the crowd. There’s gotta be someone out there with more power than us who sees everything the way we do.

    And regarding the original post, I find it odd, if we go by the prosecution’s motive, that someone who considered his “life over” enough to go and shoot a bunch of people, would have been shopping around for a new apartment just days before.

    As for the upcoming press conference, let’s hope these are LEGITIMATE family members who speak at it. At this point, I trust nobody.

  18. Scott: Here’s my theory, based on the Bonnie Kate video evidence and my interviews with the maker of the video. If you believe the video is real, and Geosync2323 is really on the up and up, there are 3 possibilities.

    1. One lonely police officer randomly dropped his mask, totally against all training and logic (crime scene was in process of being sealed when geosync left that corner, 1:30am, most of chaos had died down)

    2. Police randomly planted gas mask on corner for unknown reason.

    3. The mask (and knife) was already there when police arrived, and they recorded and moved it for safekeeping, to allow emergency vehicles to drive through there to pick up victims. After the chaos died down, the gas mask was replaced on the crime scene where police originally found it to conduct the crime scene investigation.

    I believe #3 makes the most sense to me at this point. This would mean that Oates is lying when his says they don’t have evidence of another shooter. I wouldn’t put it past Oates to lie. The case was most likely sealed over this. Could another officer in Aurora PD or FBI even blow the whistle on this while the gag order is still on?

    • What can I do about this?

    • Did anyone notice that the gas mask down by the far corner of the building was marked as the first piece of evidence? Being that it has the #1 next to it.I would think that it has some importance. It was the first piece of evidence marked.

  19. This is likely completely irrelevant, but it struck me, so wanted to pass it on. I am reading Stephen King’s book 11/22/63, about a man who goes back in time to prevent the Kennedy assassination. At one point in the book, a character shows up, crazed, bug-eyed and having dyed his hair orange, going on about how he can do whatever he wants because he’s a certified mental patient.

    There are no other real parallels with Holmes, so I realize it’s probably just my interest in the Holmes case that caused me to respond to it … but, man, it was eerie when I read the scene.

    • was only reading 11/22/63 myself 2 days ago and the exact same thing jumped out at me.

    • There is conjecture out there that Holmes was set up to change his future timeline to prevent some discovery or revelation that he would make in the future. I wouldnt put much stock in that though.

      Anyways, sorry for wasting your time, just needed to comment so I could subscribe to future comments.

      • Couldn’t they have found a better way than ‘murder’ to change his life …….. lets figure out a way to go back and change it again.. :)

      • Maybe. Or maybe that’s looking at it a#*s-up. Maybe James is just the unlucky patsy that was used to foist their flag.

  20. After hearing Jackie Mitchell’s interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHYfm2pvZwU&feature=player_embedded I am convinced that someone drugged James Holmes sometime between Tuesday evening, and Thursday midnight, dressed him up, and parked him at the Aurora theater.

    • jjax

      This is my working hypothesis as well.

    • This is possibly connected if this call came in late to 911:
      Blue SE police scanner
      1:09am
      “1690 S Moline St
      We have a report of at least 3 people dragging a person into an unknown description vehicle. Last
      seen northbound on the street. Any available units that can assist?”

      I don’t have the video link handy right now, it’s on the Truth About James Holmes Facebook page, but there’s a news report quoting the apartment manager at 1690 Paris St saying James Holmes just moved in within 2-4 weeks of the shooting. It’s possible this wasn’t where James Holmes actually lived. It’s possible this was just setup to look like his residence, and registered under his name. 1690 S Moline St might’ve been where he really lived, who knows. It might not be related, but it’s extremely suspicious.

      • Yes, I remember reading that also. Strange though that others living in the area said he had been walking around asking people if there were apartments available about a week or so prior to the shooting. Why would he do that if he just moved into one nearby?
        Another strange thing is if he started withdraw steps from the program in June, why would he move into a student housing apt. right around the same time? Something doesn’t add up.

      • Can’t find the Blue SE police scanner. More info?

        • I got them from radioreference.com. The channel is called Colorado Intermutual Aid. I can email them to you tomorrow if you want to give me your email. They’re on my work computer.

      • Er what ?! 2-4 weeks? I was still under the impression it was months. ‘Weeks’ really tightens the parameters.

    • Heck, they may have even drugged him at the bar that night–slipped something into his drink!

      • Just on that bar thing. Given all the other film industry loose threads around this case, some of which go back quite a way, I just found the name ‘Melnick’, common enough as it may be, a little curious. I’ve looked. Perhaps some locals can enlighten us?

    • The pics posted on the ‘dating sites’ were done on July 5th, with red hair. So is this guy confusing JH with someone else or are those pics of someone other than JH??? It is fact that the pic was posted on July 5th! I saw first hand.

  21. There is a live conference going on on 9 news in Denver and you guys were right – it’s about money…

  22. Who would be powerful enough to win justice for James Holmes? Much better if this goes viral on the internet and the “grassroots” win justice for James. PS, I’m sure the “professionals” didn’t let James anywhere near the shooting for fear of him messing up their plans.

    • They are trying to cover up the fact that a smoke bomb was lit off in the theater with all the tear gas talk. It was one smoke, one tear gas. Visibility was nil. There could have been 1 shooter or 3 shooters in there, nobody would have known.
      Everybody just saw the same thing, a guy in black camo with a gas mask on. Plus you got the hundreds of rounds fired. Hundreds of rounds through a semi-auto rifle in 60-90 seconds? This is as bad as RFK, 9 bullet holes with only 8 bullets.

      • That’s why they made up the bogus 100-round handmade banana clip story. Don’t forget about all the shotgun rounds that were shot as well despite the fact that the shooter who came in through the emergency exit never shot a shotgun.

  23. They are still pushing Dysphoric Mania….. you gotta be kidding me….

    Huff Post 8/28/12

    Dysphoric Mania: What Is The Condition James Holmes Asked About Weeks Before The Aurora Shooting?

    …………………………………..grasping at straws much???………….wtf?

  24. Allison Ernst (bald woman in red dress) has filed a motion at the Arapho County Justice Center. As reportrd 2 hours ago by 9news.com. She wants JH released to her ASAP

    • People I talk to are saying this one was filed by this guy in PA that has filed 5000 frivolous lawsuits.
      I’m working on a motion now, I guess anyone can just file em and they show up in the court records. This is a rough draft, if anyone has any input as far as the language being legal enough and serious enough and if there’s anything you can think of to make it better.

      I Christian Petersen, do hereby file this motion on behalf of the people of the United States, in the interest of public safety. As we know from Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates, James Holmes was arrested in full body armor wearing a gas mask. As we can see in the CBS Video “Clues from shooting suspect’s limited online presence” around 2:12 into it, there is a gas mask with the other gear of suspect James Holmes. As we can see in the crime scene photos from July 20th, 2012, there was another gas mask found on the corner of the theater, in the parking lot. This mask is visible to not be in that location in the “Bonnie Kate Cell Phone Video”, which was taken around 1:05am.
      This leads to the assumption that the mask was found by the first police on the scene, recorded, and moved out of the way for first responders vehicles to access the rear parking lot without destroying evidence. The photos of the next day, one at 10:20am, the gas mask is visible by itself. In another photo taken at 10:28, there is now an object that appears to be a knife seen in the photos of the gas mask on the corner.
      The existence of a gas mask (and possible knife) on the corner upon arrival of police leads one to believe another person may have been involved in this horrific crime. Since only one arrest has occurred in this case, another dangerous armed gunmen at large may be roaming our streets freely.
      This motion asks the court to order the State of Colorado to release all information it is in possession of, pertaining to this gas mask found on the back left corner of the Century 16 Theater in Aurora, Colorado. This information shall include:
      1. The identity of the officer that originally handled the evidence that later became known as Evidence Group #1, identified by the yellow #1 evidence marker on the scene behind the theater.
      2. The time the evidence in question was first seen and touched by any police agency involved.
      3. The model of gas mask that is regulation for Aurora PD and all agencies that responded to the scene.
      4. The inventory of all items that were included in the group marked by evidence marker #1.
      5. The chain of custody record for evidence group #1.

      • Wow that sounds really good. I don’t have a law degree but I am a smart grad student!(-; Can you imagine if the MSM gets ahold of that? Maybe the general public will then start demanding answers!

      • That’s all well and good, but if you are doing this to try to bring attention to the MSM about a certain aspect of this case and the poorly crafted case against Holmes, why don’t you try to get the surveillance camera footage that no one ever mentions or the arresting officer’s report which would clearly state what he saw in the car (the extra gas mask) and Holmes’ condition when he was taken into custody?

        That would be some interesting topics to start the MSM talking about, don’t you think? why keep focusing on the one thing that could easily be dismissed as belonging to a cop who left it behind?

        There are tons of other bits of info that would be worth forcing them to admit or at least get the press talking about… why always just that gas mask?

        • I’ve been thinking about that guy that owns the Zephyr Bar. When he was interviewed, he mentioned that when he’s in his downstairs office, he watches whats going upstairs in the bar with some kind of surveillance equipment and said he did’nt think that JH was there. I thought it was odd that the reporter didn’t ask him if he had a tape of that night which would determine if he was correct or if the patron that says he spoke with JH on the patio is correct. Even if it doesn’t scan the patio area which, I would find hard to believe if only for liability purposes, it surely would record people entering & exiting the bar. I wonder if he’s staying quiet about it to avoid the publicity or if he’s already turned it over to the FBI. If a tape does exist, it could answer quite a few questions.

      • Good work Chris P. I would suggest to burn a CD with all the evidence you are mentioning in the motion, make a list and reference it in the motion by an identifier from the list and name – i.e Item (or attachment or exhibit) 1 – photo. In the list be specific – write: Item 1 – photo taken at the crime scene on 07/20/2012 at 10:28; Item 2 – cell phone video … taken at … and so on. Name items on CD accordingly. Hope this helps…

      • Really good idea chris regarding filing a motion. I would leave the knife out of it as I am almost positive it is just the camera angle of how the sheet of paper curls up and meets the back strap makes the strap look like a handle and the empty space like a blade.

        I would also add a request for security camera footage from theater and squad cars on scene.

        Also a full medical evaluation of Holmes released to the public by some sort of third party.

      • Perhaps you can mention that multiple parties (maybe count how many sources, lot’s of work there) including police say they witnessed multiple shooters which was completely disregarded by the Chief Oates who says that there is absolutely zero indication of multiple shooters.

        We the people demand a full investigation of whether of not multiple shooters were involved and feel the the Chief of Police and Top FBI official on scene have decided not to investigate multiple shooters for some reason undetermined while witness testimony and the amount of shots fired (100+ shells etc) is reasonable cause to investigate multiple shooters.

        No man in Homes meek state as found on the scene could have caused the amount of damage and physically demanding feats as the shooter(s) pulled off that night.

        I am just spit balling here but something to that effect.

        • The proper angle to take is that Oates is making deliberately false statements. The one you mentioned regarding no evidence of anyone other than James Holmes involved is key. And this one, which anybody knows is bogus:

          “Oates said investigators are not able to calculate how many shots were fired in the theater but that “lots of bullets fired very quickly.”

          Can’t count the number of bullet casings on the theater floor huh?

          http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_21118201/unknown-number-people-shot-at-aurora-movie-theater

        • Oh another indicator that Oates is a shill or agent. In his news conferences he says both, “I’m not much of an explosives/bomb guy”, and, “I’m not much of a gun guy”. Oh really? You don’t know much about explosives or guns and you’re THE CHIEF OF POLICE?! This is the same stupidity defense that Bush adopted for the rest of his political career following 9/11. Better to be incompetent than complicit, right?

  25. kiwasabi, I haven’t found your reference to the Blue SE police scanner.
    Looked at radioreference.com, unsure of Colorado Intermutual Aid. My email is jjax@live.com. Thanks for emailing them to me. I agree that this might be VERY important. I hope others who are more knowledgeable than me will investigate. I’m becoming convinced Holmes was a carefully chosen victim.

    • Just saw this, will send tomorrow. Radioreference only goes back a month anyway so all scanners from 7/20/12 are no longer downloadable.

  26. I have to vent. I’m so sick and tired of seeing NOTHING on the court documents page. Media alerts. That’s about it. There’s nothing transparent about this case at all. Even though I’m not even in the US, I’m still ticked! Who knows what the heck all of those people are doing behind closed doors. And I know I posted this before, but why is he still stuck with that lame defense? Why would his parents get a lawyer for themselves and not him? Why is there no high powered lawyer involved? What is really going on here? I mean, my God. Wth are his parents doing???? I wish I was rich, I’d pay for his lawyer.

    • Did you not see the random people filing motions to intervene on Holmes behalf? It’s under register of actions near the bottom. Notice the motions by Allison Michelle Ernst and Yeom Lee on behalf of James Holmes. http://www.courts.state.co.us/Courts/District/Case_Details.cfm?Case_ID=152

      It appears that we can just step in a play defense in the case. Formal letter are also acknowledged by the court I believe, could be wrong on that.

      • Yes, I saw them, but I’m not sure those two people are legit, or if they’re even two people. I hope they are on the up and up.

        I don’t think there’s much I could do since I’m in Canada. If there was anything, I would. I wonder if we could set up a fund to get him a better attorney? I wonder how much that’d cost?

        • A lot. My boss was accused of stealing money from the private school I work at. Her attorney was $425 an hour and thats just for embezzlement, not murder. A fund would be highly controversial as well.

    • I think we need to figure out a way to wield the power of the many to make this case more transparent. Organizing is the only chance we have. Perhaps we can do something similar to what PBS and the 20 other new agencies did demanding the release of evidence and the lift of gag orders.

      Not sure the best way to organize such things but maybe one of you out there has a good idea. A well run web page like this feels like a start but it is clearly not enough.

  27. So James’ attorneys want the prosecution sanctioned for “reckless disregard for the truth.” Wonder what this means.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/08/james-holmes-defense-calls-for-sanctions-against-prosecutors-in-aurora-shootings/

  28. Who is filing motions in court intervening on behalf of james holmes? Allison Michelle Ernst and Yeom Lee seem to be filing motions in court. As of right now, Yeom Lee and Allison Michelle Ernst seem to be doing a better job then Holmes own lawyers. I didn’t know you could just step in to a lawsuit like that.

    http://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/18th_Judicial_District/18th_Courts/12CR1522/2012-08-24%20Register%20of%20Actions%2008-17-12%20to%2008-23-12_txt.pdf

  29. JAMES HOLMES RECEIVED A FULL UNIVERSITY STIPEND PAYMENT OF $2216.67 ON JULY 2nd, 2012, INDICATING HE HAD NOT WITHDRAWN FROM THE NEUROSCIENCE PROGRAM PRIOR TO THE AURORA SHOOTING TRAGEDY.

    http://darkknighttruth.wordpress.com

  30. RIP James Holmes, The Matrix has you. Trinity

  31. How is it that University of Iowa is suddenly coming out with a statement they said “Do NOT offer admission under any circumstances” about Holmes.

    Pretty stark constrast to the glowing comments from other college.

    Also they state “he was applying at Texas A&M, Kansas University, University of Michigan, University of Alabama and the University of Colorado.”

    No mention of the other school that loved him. Weird.

    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31397586/detail.html

    Perfect timing I guess with today’s trial motion. Pretty sure I wont watch, pretty sure we already know what will happen.

    • Has anyone tried calling the # listed on the resume from Iowa- 858 449 7348 – and seeing if they get the “freakish” vm message the gun range owner talked about? I’m too scared to call it lol.

      • I was somewhat surprised that they left all of his personal contact information on there. Of course, his parents’ address is pretty much universally available now but you wouldn’t think that they would publish it with that info on there. I wonder if that is his cell number or his parents’ phone number since it would have been submitted during college or during the time that he was at home between undergrad and grad schools. If it is his parents, I’m a bit flabbergasted that they would publish it, even if it is available through directory service.

        And, yes, I would love to hear that “voice mail” that the gun owner was going on about. Even more so, I’d like confirmation that the number was verified as actually belonging to Holmes.

      • I called, it was a message from Verizon saying the number has been changed or is no longer in service. Ah well.

    • Wow. Did you read the essay that the article linked to? I’m almost in tears . . .

      Noteworthy is the part where he talks about mentoring a kid with schizophrenia and wanting to help kids with ADHD, too–all of which he describe as doped up by their medications.

      • Yeah all that extra detail was added in the past 90 min that I was away, Original article much smaller.

        While they probably thought they were continuing to portray him as mentally ill, I think those quotes from him show he was against drugging people and clearly aware of the effects of mental illness, unlikely to let it culminate within himself to killing people in a movie theatre.

        I do remember the Arizona school saying they declined him, but I don’t ever remembering hearing such a long list of schools he applied to.

        Weird that the Iowa guy felt so strong NOT to admit him, but cant remember why?

    • So he was against medicating. Can’t see how that would be a popular attitude. Interesting.

    • so that is what Holmes did.. he rejected the drug-inducing programs for so many mentally ill… he had high hopes…. bless his heart….

    • Tranel is already somewhat well-known and the subject of some discussion for one of his pet projects.
      Here’s an example – http://www.npr.org/2010/12/17/132141793/living-without-fear
      Do you get the impression that at least one of the callers might have had a clue?

  32. Early on, there was a brief mention of a college/university in Arizona that he had applied for and was not accepted to. I may try to find that reference IF it’s still around on the net.

  33. Unrelated, but since so much emphasis is put on him failing that exam. According to the University’s own handbook, no way could that have happened:

    4.1.4 Preliminary Exam at the End of the First Year: The preliminary exam will be an oral one. An examining committee will be drawn from the course lecturers of NRSC 7600, 7610 and 7615 (see section
    on first year courses). Each of these courses will have one representative on a student’s exam committee. The exam will last about 45 – 60 min. While the basis of the questions will be integration of material across the courses, the examiners will expand the scope based on perceived strengths and weaknesses of the student. If a student demonstrates appropriate knowledge and integration of the
    material, no other action is required. However, if deficiencies are noted during the exam, the student will develop a plan to address these weaknesses in consultation with the GTC Chair. In some cases, reexamination might be required. In all cases, problems noted during the exam should be addressed by the end of the fall semester of the second year.

    Handbook located here:

    http://umpref2012.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/nrsc_handbook_2012_v2-2.pdf

    God, why cant this guy get a decent lawyer?

    • His lawyers have actually filed a motion against the prosecution for blatant disregard of the truth. I’m SO curious why they’ve done this. Although, I don’t see anything new on the court documents sight.

  34. I agree, D.D. Covers. I was telling someone today that if I played and won the lottery, I’d be in Colorado writing checks to attorneys and investigators next week. Which is odd. I never get caught up in this kind of stuff. I just got a sick feeling in my stomach about this from day one. Maybe it’s a woman’s intuition?

    In any case, speculating (again). I noticed that James axed the whole ‘I don’t believe in drugging up people with mental illness’ part of his essay from the University of Illinois. Perhaps he received such a staunch and immediate rejection at this other college because he voiced his concerns about treating everything with medications. I think he was speaking of his ideal of finding cures or treatments via neuro research that would eliminate the need for meds, etc. However, these neuro programs seem to heavily depend upon the funds the drug companies provide. Not sure that a student with a pie in the sky view of a world where science triumphed over pharmaceuticals had much of a chance getting a thumbs up. lol

    I’m also trying to research one of the victims. I just keep getting this hankering feeling that there is a connection there. I’ll keep digging. Hope I find something.

    Not sure I have the heart or stomach to even read about what happens today. :(

    • Good points grasshopper about the reasons for his possible rejection. When I read that they said “DON’T” accept him, I kind of worried a bit, but your possible explanation is a good one.

    • I agree. The last thing a drug-co-sponsored university research program wants is someone who is outspoken against pharmaceutical drugs for children!

  35. Why is so little information coming out of that courtroom today? I know there are no cameras, but I just Googled, and there is next to no stories coming out about what’s gone on inside the courtroom today. Unless I just can’t find it.

    • I can’t find anything either. I’m not sure how many more times I can hit refresh on Google News today.

      Oh hi, I’m new here by the way. Been browsing comments for awhile and just decided to jump in. I’m glad to find other folks who aren’t putting up with the crap sandwich the MSM is feeding us.

      • From what I read they took a recess at around 2:30. Usually everyone’s trying to beat the next guy to the punch. Other than local Denver coverage, there’s next to nothing. Sooo strange.

        And hi. :) There’s a lot of info on this page.

        I honestly never paid much attention to MSM, but when I first heard of this case, something didn’t sit right with me. That all started with Chief Oates.

        • I’m sure it’ll be on my local news in 35 minutes. Honestly, I didn’t want to watch, I always end up feeling worse.

          I’ll guess I’ll bite the bullet and watch… take notes, and let you guys know.

          Then I will have to go take a Kickboxing class at the gym….

          • ok… news teaser just said

            “alleged shooter was supposed to be dead or on the run when the notebook was received, testified the psychologist”

            ok guys, not sure I can watch the full coverage of this B.S.

            obviously that was his plan with the tacital gear, giving up peacefully, drugged in his car….

            ugh.

  36. Aren’t we experiencing the tyranny of the raw power that is so prevalent in our country now? Disregard for law. Letting us all know they have power over us, and there is nothing we can do about it. If this can happen to the Holmes family, what chance do ANY of us have if they choose to use us for their purposes?

    • Holy shiz! I hope this is true! Maybe this is the smoking gun! What our intuitions have been saying could be right! Ok calm down, lol can’t get too excited.

      • Yep says right there on this guys twitter. Guys, this could be HUGE!

        • I wouldn’t take twitter as a source….

          Court didn’t go well….

          • I guess The Most Litigious Man in America stealing Holmes’ mail is interesting in a way but it is so far from what I was hoping for. I was hoping for credit card fraud — identity theft. Specifically, I was hoping that someone had been using his card or his social security number to secure fraudulent credit to purchase all of this stuff. Sigh…

            Pardon the expression, but this case is bipolar. I’m up one minute and down the other. It’s wearing me out. And, pissing me off.

            • One article I read said the judge made a joke to Fenton about the court’s “exercise program” because she got called back into court and James supposedly laughed at the wisecrack. YEAH RIGHT. Even if the joke had been funny, which I think it’s not (just cheesy), he is in the most serious sh*t of his life here, I highly doubt he’s just going to be chuckling along with everyone, wtf.

          • What’s your source grasshopper?

            Here’s the tweet:

            This is his profile:
            “Investigative Reporter at 9 News in Denver. Chocolate cereal connoisseur. Find me here too: http://www.facebook.com/jeremyjonjojola

          • Here’s the link, nevermind Grasshopper.

            http://www.9news.com/news/local/article/286264/222/Holmes-mail-forwarded-to-most-litigious-man

            Tina, that’s interesting. Where’d you hear that?

          • Kiwasabi I read it here: http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/08/james_holmes_lynne_fenton_doctor_patient_relationship.php?page=3

            “After a second recess, Fenton returned to the stand yet again, prompting Sylvester to joke that her repeated in-and-out trips were part of the court’s exercise program. The line drew a laugh from the audience, and once the hearing was over, several reporters said they’d seen Holmes join in with a chuckle.”

            Riiiiiiiiiight.

          • My question is — why, why, why didn’t the parents file a change of address to get their son’s mail forwarded to their house? Or the defense? Or law enforcement? I would think Holmes’ mail could still be of importance as far as clues and evidence. You never know what might turn up. If this guy really did this, I wish had of shared whether or not Holmes had credit card statements reflecting any of these purchases. lol I couldn’t care less about what magazines he got. I’d like to know if anything of any substance was intercepted! I wish he read this blog, maybe he’d help a mother out? lol

            Speaking of which, I’ve had this nagging question about where in the h#ll his parents are. It has occurred to me. If Holmes did (IF he did) send this notebook to Fenton, I wonder if he sent something as well to his parents. You would think he did. Perhaps that missive is why they are MIA?

          • @grasshopper….I wondered that here about his parents a while back. Other than when Fox news tried to ambush interview his Dad at the airport the day of shootings, I don’t think his parents have been seen. At all. I doubt press would honor “privacy” requests — they were all over Casey Anthony’s parents — so I find it odd no pictures of them at all. I’d like to know they are even still alive.

            Also if they “know” he made an outgoing call to Fenton 9 minutes before, why no confirm/ deny of a incoming call for him to exit….

            After someone else’s suggestion, I bought 4 lotto tickets (all different games) with numbers: 7,20,6, 12,13, and 5. I never buy Lotto tickets, but if I win, bam — defense attorney! (so stupid, I know, but couldn’t hurt)

          • I’ve been meaning to get me one, too. Maybe we should all start playing with the intent of paying his legal bills with the winnings. Perhaps fate would up our odds since we’re trying to do a good deed? lol

  37. ok… I guess court proceedings not over yet, but in sum so far:

    Fenton said she was contacted by Holmes attorneys that he sent a package the day before the shootings to her, and they wanted to intercept it. She, Fenton, claimed she wasnt treating Holmes when he sent the package, so there should be no client-patient privilege. She stopped seeing him a month prior to the mailing.

    Also said he expected to be dead, in jail, or on the run when package was received — how they know that, I don’t understand.

    She said she contacted campus police on 6/11 out of concern for him, not as a warning to the school

    They discussed Iowa documents, that he shouldn’t be admitted “under any circumstances” but no reason why.

    Also, they said he had his sideburns neatly trimmed now.

    That’s all they said during 5 PM coverage…. .

      • She contacted a police officer about a “patient” on June 11th. So that means the Beta team was never contacted? Sounds contradictory to what was reported earlier about the Beta team. Also she says she never reported JH as a “threat to harm”. Also evidence that the Beta team would not have been contacted, due to the fact that there was no fear about him committing this egregious act. If they contacted the Beta team about a student who threatened a professor with a pencil in his eye, then there couldn’t have been any concerns about JH, no? Perhaps he is mentally ill and was manipulated to sit in the car. Perhaps he knew he was drugged and thats why he called Fenton 9 minutes before the shooting. How does the call fit in with our timeline of events? The secrecy in this case is ridiculous. I feel like I learned a whole lot of nothing.

      • One more (Important) thing… they say Holmes tried to call someone 9 minutes before the shooting.

        Defense asked Fenton if Holmes tried to contact her thru the university switchboard 9 minutes before the shooting? She said she didn’t know.

        Isnt that huge? so from outside theater?

        • I thought there were reports that his cell phone was found at his apartment. Strange.

        • Ugh. Don’t tell me this is their lame attempt of trying to link that “phone call” to James being the person in the theatre making the phone call.

          • Because now I’ll be reallllly ticked. We KNOW that wasn’t James in that theatre. They might as well just admit they massively screwed this up. There’s no way out.

        • If Holmes did call the hospital/university 9 minutes before the shooting, then this pretty much verifies that he wasn’t the guy with the cell phone who opened the door in the theater and that he likely wasn’t even in the theater at any point of the evening. The guy with the cell phone in the theater had a goatee. And, it certainly would have taken more than 9 minutes to suit up in body armor, grab your grenades and smoke bombs, and strap on all your weapons, night vision googles, gas mask, etc. Plus, why would you go from calling a hospital and needing help in one instant to storming in like “the terminator” the next, brimming with confidence and poise as witnesses suggest. It doesn’t fit. One would think that such a person, who had called the hospital in alarm, would be practically wetting themselves if they had actually worked up the nerve to go through with the massacre.

          In one of the newspaper articles that detailed Holmes’ personal effects that were removed from his apartment, his cell phone was listed. So, if we are to believe that Holmes called the university/hospital nine minutes before the shooting, he couldn’t have done it from that cell phone. How many cell phones does a broke college kid have?

          I am highly suspicious of the defenses “slip/admission” about Holmes making a call nine minutes before the shooting. This sounds to me like a bold ploy to make it seem that the guy who used his cell phone in theater nine and walked out the exit was Holmes. Furthermore, it serves the purpose of showing that Holmes knew right from wrong at the time of the shooting, which would pretty much kill (no pun intended) any insanity defense. I am very skeptical about this. It sounds harmless enough, but it could serve a very diabolical purpose.

    • Good lord http://www.9news.com/news/article/286264/222/Holmes-mail-forwarded-to-worlds-most-litigious-man

      There’s that Jonathon Riches.

      I think he has many aliases, one being Gino Romano who messaged me on Youtube. Yikes. He told me to go look at this: http://dockets.justia.com/docket/kentucky/kywdce/3:2012cv00529/82505/

      What a wacko.

    • He expected to be dead, in jail or on the run? Ummm what other option would there be?

    • DD and others…..I cannot believe that his affluent parents from San Diego would retain an attorney for themselves but not for their son facing the death penalty…….to me it suggests that maybe its not really their son, or maybe they have been threatend…otherwise you would have to believe they are uncaring parents which I dont think they are……I have a 24 year old son……if he were facing the death penalty I would move heaven and earth to retain a top notch private attorney as well as a private investigator……..Why have they not made statements of their sons innocence through their attorney…..They would certainly have a forum with all the reporters camped outside their home.

      • No kidding. Even if my son was without a doubt guilty, there would be no way I wouldn’t fight for him, even if that meant LWOP or a mental institute. I really hope they are working behind the scenes.

  38. hi. im new here. I’ve been following this site for awhile..Great work! Has anyone seen the remark made in court that jh made a call to the campus minutes before the shooting? reported by fox8 news in Cleveland Ohio

    • Hey you from Ohio? Me too! Yes, I mentioned the call, but Fenton stated she didn’t know if she received a call. Also we don’t even know what the call may have been about.

      • if he was the one who made the call, could that have been the moment where he was “controlled” to do what he ended up doing..sitting and waiting for the cops to show up? i have followed most of willys writing on this and everyone’s response and that phone call really jumps out at me. my 2 cents

        • Right, thats what I was thinking as well. Maybe a part of his conscious mind while he was drugged was calling for help when he realized the shooter was going to commit the crime. The interesting thing is if he was so intent on shooting up a movie theater, then why would he call his psychiatrist. According to msm, he already had death and destruction on his mind while he was gearing up to commit the act.

          • is it possible that he wasn’t drugged but it was some form of mind control and that phone call is what started his trance? isn’t that how manchurian candidate happened..with a phone call?
            and also, couldn’t this all be solved by his phone records?? if they have him calling the switchboard do they have him taking/making a call when the call was received inside the theatre?
            im gonna sit back and read you all some more. thanks for letting me butt in :)

          • And why would he try to call… thru school switchboard, not directly? Supposingly he had the number of one of the 3 mental health professional’s (the male) he saw at the school, programmed in his phone

    • IF, big IF, what they’re reporting is true, they said that he called 9 minutes before the shooting began. I’m not doubting that James Holmes is a genius but he’s not some super hero. There’s no way that boy made a call in the theater and then exited to his car, dressed in his gear, gathered his weapons and then sauntered back into the theater in NINE minutes. WTH? There’s no way! Also, they first said that he called the college switchboard but now are clarifying that he called the Hospital switchboard. Now that is a horse of a different color. Like some of you have said… Nine minutes before the shooting he makes a call. Was he calling for help because he was so drugged and needed medical assistance? You know when you’re in a situation like that, you wouldn’t think clearly. Sometimes the obvious (like calling 911) doesn’t occur to you. Maybe all his drugged mind could think to do was call the hospital. If he was left alone in the car, nine minutes for the shooters to assemble at the door way, make last minute checks, wait for the single for the loud part of the movie in Theater 8… yeah that sounds about right.

      I think James called for help… for him and perhaps for the victims. JMO

      • signal. Sorry. My mind is mush this late in the week!

      • Corbin Dates said he saw the guy on the phone during the previews. The movie started at 12:10, so this was probably around 12:15. That makes it too early to match up.

        I’m still wondering what time the shooting actually started. Oates said the 911 calls started coming in at 12:39am. But I think the shooting started a good 5 minutes before that.

    • Glad you’re here! Welcome. :)

  39. If they are still saying his access to the school was revoked on 6/12, then why did they mail him his monthly check on 7/2, as if he was still enrolled?

    http://darkknighttruth.wordpress.com/2012/08/29/james-holmes-received-a-full-university-stipend-payment-of-2216-67-on-july-2nd-2012-indicating-he-had-not-withdrawn-from-the-neuroscience-program-prior-to-the-aurora-shooting-tragedy/

    And if he tried calling someone that night, then that means he does have 2 cell phones, since they took one from his apartment…. pretty easy then for someone to screw around with his texts, recordings, etc.

    • I was trying to remember if it was proven his cell was found at his apartment or not. Thanks

      From the first time I heard he warned about his apartment being rigged.. I felt he was fighting someone or something and tried as he could to break thru and keep others from harm. Who is to say he did not try to reach out when he could? Just got to wonder.

  40. is there anywhere online to get the transcripts of what goes on in the courtroom? I don’t trust the little snippets being spewed by the media.

  41. Also… originally they claimed the notebook package had been there since 7/12.

    Now they are saying he mailed it 7/19.

    Isnt that pretty obvious from the postmark?

  42. I find it odd that James’ hair was described as “BLOND and orange” today.

    So he talked to his attorney today, and even smiled?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57503831/defense-accused-colo-gunman-james-holmes-tried-to-call-psychiatrist-before-attack/

    • I wonder how true any of this is, regarding the talking and smiling. We’re sitting here in the complete dark. We can’t see ANY of that for ourselves, just supposed to take the corrupt media’s word for it.

    • I had thought about going to today’s hearing, I guess I should have. Maybe I’ll go to the next one. I just figure it’d be frustrating to witness.

      • It would definitely be nice to have an honest person’s opinion of what’s going on in there.

      • Can you go to the next one? That would be so amazing! If I knew where you lived I’d pay you lol(-;

      • According to court papers, seems only 25 seats for media. Not sure how many, if any, seats for “others.”

        SEATING:
        For this hearing, 25 seats are allocated to news media. Members of the media consortium will decide which organizations will have seats in the courtroom and how to disseminate news from the courtroom to organizations that did not get a seat. Colorado court rules specify motions hearings are ineligible for cameras in the courtroom. There will be no media overflow room.

        I’m also confused with their timeline:

        June 10 — did poorly on oral final exam
        June 11 — Met once and only once (according to her) with Fenton

        By June 12 he had restricted access because he initiated withdrawal process by “email.”

        So after Fenton’s session, he sends a email to withdraw, and they accept that and act that quickly? On a email? They dont even try to talk to him? what about all the protocol about setting up a way to redo exam. And they do not ever say he completed the withdraw process.

        • Another report today had a different timeline. WTH? These dates should be simple for them to get straight.

          We’ve heard forever that he sent an email to withdraw from the neuro program on June 10th — which is a Sunday, by the way.

          Today’s report said that he met with Fenton on Monday, the 11th, they cancelled his access on Tuesday, the 12th, and then he began withdrawing from the program on Wednesday, the 13th.

          From the Denver Post:
          Lead prosecutor Karen Pearson said Holmes’ CU access card was shut off on June 12 and he began to withdraw from his Ph.D. program in neuroscience on June 13.

          Source: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_21436303/defense-relationship-between-theater-shooting-suspect-and-shrink

        • And, D.D. Covers, I personally think they wanted the guy gone. I think he was pretty much pushed out, for whatever reason. It may be a reason that is perfectly acceptable or it could be for some more sinister purpose. I dare not speculate. However, I don’t think for a single moment that anyone tried to reach out and help or convince him to stay in the program. Just my opinion.

          • You’re probably right, but he didn’t necessarily seem like he was planning on leaving — I still dont think there’s been a single firsthand report of him telling someone he was withdrawing (but there’s also no person id’ing Holmes at the theatre – apparently that’s not important)

            Plus they sent him that last check, which was approved by the department head.

            From what I understood early on, most programs like these don’t want a withdraw…. it effects their future grant potential

            The whole thing stinks, the only picture I see the defense making is that Holmes was trying to get help, people to listen. Yet no implication he perhaps he couldnt have done it all himself.

        • Media and families/victims have priority – from what I’ve heard this leaves only a few seats for the public.

      • Ok I’ll call the courthouse about how to get a seat at the next hearing. I don’t mind camping out hours before if necessary. I just wish there was more I could do to help. The defense said I could email them any ideas I had, but seems they’ve already decided for James that he should plead insanity.

        The Principal Investigator for the District Attorney was very open to my suggestions that James Holmes was set up. But clearly the prosecution has made up its mind as well. I don’t know what to do.

        • I think you just being at that hearing and getting FACTS about what went on will be great and helpful in itself. Then one can decide what to do after that. How were you able to meet with the defense and D.A.?

          • I showed up at the DA’s office as it’s literally across the street from my work. I spoke with her Principal Investigator. That was a week after the event, I haven’t gone back. The best I can do is to ask them not to go for the death penalty.

            I spoke with Douglas Wilson’s assistant at the Public Defenders office. She told me I can email them any ideas I have.

        • I tried emailing a decent summary to defense. Heard nothing back. Didnt expect to.

          Was thinking of mailing stuff to his family.

          Like you, Idont know what else to do…. let me know if you think of something. I’m local too…

          • One thing I would suggest is compiling what er evidence you want to send and send it registered mail, that way you get a signature and the recipients can’t deny receiving it. Send this registered mail to his parents, his parents lawyer, Dr. Lynn Fenton (if she was concerned about him, should be interested in this evidence), the Aurora Mayor, Chief Oates, any FBI names you’ve seen involved, etc, the victims families, all the survivors (good luck finding them, some seem to have no trace on the internet (Corbin Dates)), any police officers, paramedics or firefighters involved that night, etc.

        • Best of luck to you.

  43. His attorney said, “Perhaps the package was saying, ‘I’m feeling bad. Please stop me,’” she theorized.
    This is bad. His attorney is insinuating guilt.
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-aurora-theater-shooting-psychiatrist-20120830,0,4998697.story

    • Then again, why are they arguing about this damn package if they are going for the insanity defense? They’ll have to turn it over anyways.

      • I am so paranoid that part of me doesn’t believe his defense has his best interest. This could all be just part of the plan.

      • MSM had originally reported that JH had told police about the notebook. Well now it turns out that isn’t true. Fenton received a call from the public defenders office about the notebook and that is how it was discovered. Taken from Denver Westword blog I posted earlier.

        • Also MSM had reported that Fenton had called the Beta team in the first ten days of June. That is impossible due to the fact they had one meeting on June 11th.
          “Fenton made initial phone calls about engaging the BETA team” in “the first 10 days” of June, but it “never came together” because in the period Fenton was having conversations with team members, Holmes began the process of dropping out of school, a source told KMGH.”

          Source http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/24/justice/colorado-shooting/index.html

        • So confused. How in the world would the public defender’s office even know that it existed before it was found if Holmes didn’t tell them?

          • He probably did tell them. We don’t know whats in it. If he had all these delusions then why would he be lucid enough to have the attorneys intercept it? Jared Loughner was bat s h i t crazy in court. This dude is like a puppy. This case makes my head want to explode.

          • Probably told by whoever told the media. This is something that needs to be investigated along with who routed the threat through Yeom Pyo Lee’s phone.

      • Just like in politics, it feels like the prosecution and the defense areal ting for the same team… Defense actions and words sound like they are not even going to try to crack the case, and that they are resigned to the fact that JH is guilty…

        There seems to be only a subtle difference between prosecution having their way and get the death penalty, and the defense going for life life sentence and pretend they have done their bes… Which is what they are doing by insisting on this notebook’s faith…

        On a side note, I still feel the media is playing for public opinion, as of we are the ones to decide JH’s fate. We are being told, in passing, that JH had a “chuckle” when someone cracked a joke in court. It is subtle, but it plays so well in to the psychopathic killer narrative that the media has been shoving down our throats….

        • Correction: “…..notebook’s fate….”

        • Prosecution and the defense are both employees of the state, get paid by the state take orders from the state……a private attorney would not go along with this show trial and would rip available or lack of evidence to shreds.

          The trial is only relevant as to convincing the masses that justice was served…. its really just a formality…
          The shooting as part of the destabilization campaign was completed, or the mission was completed. …..

        • Fair enough… Today’s destabilization, tomorrow’s awakening…. Because they are getting sloppy, and people (us) are on to them. For the first time in a longtime, it feels like the fact that there is a corrupt and rampant shadow government that kills its own citizens to further their agenda is no longer in question in most people’s minds..(although, not everyone agrees on the depth and scope of it)

          • Agreed……Obamas visit to the hospital with the girl with the fake neck wound shows exactly how high and deep…..
            They have the power to influence judicial proceedings, judges, and have absolute control over mainstream media…..

            I enjoy reading your excellent posts.

          • Thank you, Frederick. I really appreciate you saying that.

      • Ok another thought here: If Tamara Brady theorizes the notebook may say, “I’m feeling bad. Please stop me.” Then wouldn’t that be something she would want admitted into the case because then it would prove insanity? WTF?!?!? Wonder if L.A. times got their quotes mixed up?

        • Lilialeo and Meesh…thoughts on why they are even going through this trial……The shooting was part of the destabilization campaign ok…I believe the trial is just a formality a show trial…….but why did they let James live.?…..meaning why didnt they just kill him, shoot him etc right after the shooting…it would have made more sense. no one would have questioned anything had he been shot and killed…..When you have a trial you run the risk of evidence leaking out, grass roots movements to exonerate him etc??? The trial then must serve some purpose….either extortion of someone etc…..because they allowed him to live…..the show trial is not for those of us on this page but for the masses…….but why???

          • This is such an excellent point, Frederick.

            In the immediate aftermath of the incident, this aspect of it had kept alive the possibility that James was not entirely uninvolved… But I did not know all that I know now, a lot of which thanks to people here at this blog.

            I can only speculate about this: (still under the assumption of James having zero percent conscious guilt)

            1. Palate cleanser
            If every shooter was killed or “suicided” at the end of every shooting, it would certainly make a much higher percentage of the public start going “hmmmmm”…

            2. Legal precedence
            A lot of cases are manipulated to create the context for a certain contenscious issue, and through out the process of trial, with the help of compromised or intimidated judge and defense, rulings are made that create a precedence for future use.

            For example, through the Holmes trial, one of the last bastions of privacy, the doctor-patient confidentiality, can receive a huge blow with the rulings about Fenton, the notebook and the whole sordid web of lies surrounding them.

            And, at times, the pursuant appeal process, a well publicized and propagandized trial can create the context for discussing, giving momentum to and the passing of new legislation that might otherwise not have any traction from the public or politicians.

            3. A live example is better deterrent than a Wikipedia page
            If, as I argued in a previous post, James is being used to intimidate and scare a whole industry of computer scientists, a live James Holmes who can be brought up in a “follow up article” every couple of years, can serve as a long lasting constant reminder.

            4. Your thoughts here
            Can’t think of any more worth mentioning. I’d be interested to hear what you and others think about why his life was spared.

    • Good Grief! Somebody get this poor guy a private teeth-gnashing attorney. ugh!

      • Right, Jesus, its like they’re aiming for LWOP. Not even the insanity defense! I said it before and I”ll say it again. Where is mom and dad?

      • I hope this is wrong. Is he really going to let the public defenders convince him his only chance is to plead insanity? I’m guessing they have him on drugs still. This is bad.

        • I’m not even sure they are aiming for that, otherwise they would want the notebook admitted if Brady is saying, “i’m feeling bad, please stop me”, because it shows insanity. Bish knows whats in the notebook. Also if they were going for the insanity plea, then what would the patient privilege even matter when they’d have to hand it over anyways? Plea deal probably. Lazy mo fo’s

      • This whole notebook thing can be a ploy to actually NOT having to produce the notebook at all if the notebook is a forgery. In which case, regardless of the contents of the notebook, opening it up to forensic scrutiny may not be in the prosecution’s best interest.

        • That is true as well. As soon as I heard about the notebook and what the media says it has in it (who told them that, anyway?) I immediately figured it as a fake/plant.

          • why would they be searching his psychiatrist mailroom for anything? that is not a standard place for them to search unless he told them he sent it and that is not the case. Im sure they would have said he told them.

        • Yeah.. It’s the old play book… Sirhan Sirhan style… We now know that he was mind controlled… But I can’t say the same for this kid… Sirhan was at least there and did go through the actions of shooting while the real shooters did the job… I don’t believe James was even in the theater.. If only i could wrap my head around why he was picked as a patsy… The father’s Libor connection seems a little flimsy, but who knows…

          • It’s because they’re afraid of smart people / geeks. They’re the ones who can figure out how to take the power back without spilling any blood. I am 100% positive on this.

          • I believe James Holmes is too smart to be mind controlled. Or else they didn’t have the time and access to him they would’ve needed to do it properly.

          • I do believe he has amnesia over the whole incident, however. My belief is he doesn’t know whether or not he actually did it, but knows what type of person he is and seriously doubts he would. He’s quite vulnerable in this position though as he can be convinced that an insanity plea is his only option. Sorry, should’ve put all that in one post, kept having more thoughts.

          • I agree that smart people are seen as dangerous, unless, of course, they join the team… But getting rid of them one by one with such elaborate schemes does not make sense.

            I don’t have enough facts to “believe” this, but I am inclined towards a mass intimidation angle. Just to scare Holmes Sr. might be flimsy as a motive, but if you can imagine a scenario where they actually make everyone involved in the development and implementation of this software that tracks down huge financial shananigans know that they don’t know who they are dealing with in a “look what we can do” kinda way, then they can intimidate a whole industry that poses a danger to the PTB’s affairs. One little anonymous phone call to each with a brief but clear message would do the job.

            If I were one of those software engineers, I would immediately look in to a quick career change after getting such a call.

          • No, they’re framing ALL people like this, just as they did with the Muslims on 9/11.

          • I totally agree that there’s a much larger campaign to marginalize and criminalize almost every slice of the population, starting with the “dangerous ones” like the ones you mention and vets, all gun owners, etc … But, that aspect of it and picking JH specically as the patsy for added benefit are not mutually exclusive.

            I can’t imagine them letting any aspect of such a sophisticated operation go to waste.

          • Well they kill two birds with one stone then. Make people start suspecting geeks as potential mass murderers, and send a message to anyone who is a threat to their criminal syndicate (such as Robert Holmes).

          • I think it was perhaps primarily and simply his name. Although he may have also fitted other elements of a profile they were looking for. I’m not convinced he was mk’d, although I’m prepared to consider indications to the contrary.
            I do think there are LIBOR, and SIFMA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securities_Industry_and_Financial_Markets_Association ,among other, connections, despite the the rather pitiful attempt to have any further investigations along this line fall flat on there face in the mud, but not necessarily as a direct step to Robert Holmes. I also do not think there is any evidence that James was in the theatre that night, but that he was drugged and in the car outside. I find it hard to believe that he made a call that night either. I do wonder if he had been aware that something weird had been going on around him. And I’m also now wondering if he wasn’t specifically ‘shepherded’ into that University program.

          • In my opinion, I believe that the psy-op here is against smart, reserved, private people–it’s to suggest that the next terrorist could be the introverted person living next door who keeps to themselves, minds their own business, prefers spending time alone to introspect, finds most social interactions draining, etc.

            The aim is to make it appear that people like us (yeah, I’m one of ‘em) are secretly miscreants whose time spent in contemplation could only be used for plotting some heinous crime. It all feeds into the whole “see something, say something” bit, to encourage nosiness, suspicion, and spying on neighbors by neighbors.

            It also feeds so much into everyone’s fear of the bogeyman “domestic terrorist,” that the brainwashed masses will practically BEG for even greater Big Brother-like monitoring initiatives to keep them “safe.”

          • I think he may have been suddenly withdrawing from the program because he didnt agree with something going on there. But by doing so he was then a threat of exposing them of something.That would explain why they are seeming to be against him and they denied him access to any of the labs anymore. It would also explain the so called threat to a professer there

          • I’ve been thinking the same, Julie.

            He may have witnessed something, or a certain aspect of the neuroscience department, which may have freaked him out…

            Or, he may have been purposefully recruited by this department because of his brilliant mind. And James, after a school year’s worth of exposure to the program, may have been approached by the department to be initiated in to the secret program(s).. He might have reacted to what he was being offered and may have decided to change schools.

            Or, for all we know, he might have been a willing participant of this program and may have had a change of heart when he saw how dark this field and its government funded area of research was…

            Or, once again, for all we know, he may have actually decided to join this dark and secret program fresh out of college, and as it is common in the secret circles, it was necessary for him to die and disappear first, so that he could take his new identity… (Assuming he will be somehow eliminated and not rot in jail like Sirhan)

            As long as it does not contradict what we already know about the whole case, one can come up with a million theories, of all kinds of flavors, light and dark… This is all conspiratorial speculation. All I know is that for every single thing the police, prosecution, the media or CU says happened, there are always 100 other, more likely scenarios than their idiotic narrative.

            For the moment, I have not seen any evidence that proves that he was in the process of quitting CU… Just the statements of a bunch of heavily compromised people form this weird institution called CU: Fenton, campus police, or anyone from CU whose best interest happens to lie for the university and it’s extended web of relationships, for professional or financial gain… Or because they are already part of the set up…

      • @ Lila you make awesome points…..Sometimes I wonder if the operation was botched in some way and maybe he was not suppose to live but police arrived too soon etc…….but then again I think his drugging was very carefully planned as was his placement in the white car so he could be tried in a court of law to serve some agenda…they picked him as the patsy because of his background in neuroscience etc…..

        Yes I believe there may be some contentious issues during this trial that may set some prescendants for future legislation
        Also read about pre emptive intervention that would give health care or Psyc doctors new powers to intervene when they feel they need to….think of the possibilities….

        I dont know…..this case has grip on me like no other…..

        Thanks for your thoughts….

  44. Not anything of stellar significance here but I accidentally stumbled across this archived letter to the staff at the CU College of Medicine. It is from Richard D. Krugman, MD, Vice Chancellor for Health Affairs and Dean, School of Medicine. It is a response to the shooting, etc.

    http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/medicalschool/administration/Documents/deanswm/7-30-12.pdf

  45. I had not heard this before:

    “The prosecution has maintained that the doctor-patient relationship between Holmes and Fenton ended on June 11 — the ONLY time he met with her.”

    He’s portrayed by the MSM (and practically everyone accepts him) as being under her treatment, basically in therapy for some serious illness…but he only met her once. How likely is it that she would even prescribe him the Vicodin some say he was dosed with after a single meeting? (especially as she’d been in trouble for lax prescriptions before)

    She specifically didn’t contact the campus police about any threat made (what is the source of reports of a threat against a Professor? People reading into Fenton’s contact with police?) saying it was done because she was concerned.

    Concerned he might hurt others?
    Concerned he might hurt himself?
    Concerned others might hurt him?

    In the first two surely she would have wanted to continue meeting with him and contacted the threat assessment board? In the last, if Holmes had spoken of people threatening, following or watching him she might have passed it on to campus police and felt they would take it from there.

    Her reasons for only meeting once need to be clarified and once again the defense’s failure to look into it (because ‘hey, he’s already guilty’) are evidence of negligence.

    • I didn’t see anything about it in the archived handbook for the University but wonder if perhaps this “one meeting” was more of an exit counseling session? Perhaps something the college had in place for students who withdraw that requires them to meet with a counselor? Probably a stretch but so odd that it was just one meeting and she considered it a one meeting relationship. That sounds to me like either they had a terrifically bad rapport or it was just a meet, greet, hit the streets type of thing.

      Just is so odd that they say that he was seeing a male doctor there but meets with Fenton once and then sends her the notebook. We still have the big IF he really sent it lingering because we really don’t know if this item is authentically of James Holmes’ hand. But, if it is, my money is on Sherlock Bond leaving a clue or a riddle or something of that nature.

  46. I wish that the reporters would have mentioned that both the Columbine and Aurora Movie theater shootings were in places where guns were banned. I also wish that they had mentioned that all the other theaters within 20 minutes of the alleged movie theater killer’s apartment allowed concealed carry. Indeed, only one of the seven movie theaters within a 20 minute drive banned concealed handguns. So a totally crazy person randomly selected the target where he was unlikely to face retaliation. Rather professional of him, dontcha think.

    • This is another great piece of information. Another insight into the professionalism of the team that did the killing.

    • Robert, can you please provide a source?

      It would indeed indicate another reason they chose this theater. I had a look around the theater today through the fences (it’s no longer a crime scene), and couldn’t see any security cameras. I had hoped that they were above the emergency exits, but those appear to be lights. Hopefully I’m wrong about that. I have a feeling though that no security camera footage will end up in this case, just like with 9/11, 7/7, Ford Hood, etc…

      • Kiwasabi, since you live in the Aurora area, do you know anyone who knew JH? You know maybe a Kevin Bacon 5 degrees of separation kind of thing? Ugh, I wish I could go sleuthing with you.

        • I have no connections to him. I’ve tried to stay a step back in this case so as to not be viewed as interfering. There are some avenues that I could explore of course. Right now I am just trying to convince the defense to plead not guilty.

  47. If James was anti-drug, maybe Big Pharmaceutical is one of the players here, and maybe he was sick of the pro-drug aspects of the Ph’D program. Like you, I wish we had a lot of investigators, and especially competent lawyers following this case with us. Give us justice!

    • James was just naive and easily trusting, an easy target for them. He fit the profile they wanted. A highly intelligent, polite, normal white kid with no criminal record. They want to make this profile the new al Qaeda as they’re very afraid of intelligent Americans. They <3 the dumb ones of course.

      • I’m afraid that Holmes continues to be too trusting . . . of the defense team specifically. I fear that he truly believes that are working in his best interest to the best of their ability. Perhaps keeping him pliable on drugs works to their benefit.

  48. So I was suspicious of many of these victims’ wounds (especially the girl with the neck wound that was visited by Obama in the hospital) from the very beginning, but I had never had any personal experience with such things so all I could go off of was common sense and my husband’s statements that when he got shot in the leg he was in no way able to move around (like Marcus Weaver and his shot arm) and that his wound did not heal that quickly.

    Well, as fate would have it, my appendix started going nuts and I had to get surgery. Now, this is not in any way a big thing at all, the incision is maybe 3 inches long and I had staples put in. Now, a week and a half later and with the staples gone, my wound is still VISIBLY healing, there’s scabs, dried up blood and redness and minor swelling. My surgeon says the wound is healing really well so this is not out of the ordinary. Again, this is a minor wound, not some bullet wound to the neck.

    I can’t believe how gullible they think the public is….Then again, it seems to really be that gullible cause not enough people are questioning things. :(

    • Hope you’re on the mend and feeling better!

      And, good points. I have a friend from LE who’s been shot a couple of times. Maybe it’s time I quiz him a little on the recovery and pain.

      I would also say that the force of a bullet wound, in itself outside of the pain of surgery recovery, would make a person unfathomably sore for quite awhile.

      I know it could be adrenaline and all, but some of these folks are like a jack in the box. They just jumped up and headed for the cameras. Honest, I’m not being insensitive, I’m just thinking that I would have been huddled in a corner, rocking myself under a blanket for days if I had of been there. Not to mention, most hadn’t even changed clothes. I would have had to change — pretty sure my undies would have been soiled after that. Sheesh!

  49. Not sure if it’s been mentioned here yet, today the British Sky news are reporting that Holmes apparently ‘unsuccessfully called his psychiatrist just 9 minutes before his shooting spree’…..I really don’t believe this report. If its a way to ‘explain’ cordbin’s statement about the phone call then its obviously made up – as the guy in the theatre ‘received’ a call – he wasn’t ‘making a call’ lol!

  50. I’m way too drained from work but I’ll try and keep this ramble as coherent as possible.

    I myself believe it’s possible Mr. Holmes is/was mind controlled, however, it’s really irrelevant to proving our case that others were involved in the planning and execution of this event.

    The science of mind control appears to be a well developed science, only accessible to certain initiates and those who seek ultimate contol. The most successful mind control takes place while the victims brain is still developing, even starting in utero. I don’t think we know conclusively if James was adopted, but if he was, we may never know what those first years of his life were like.

    The JH adoption possibility causes me to recall the first book that started me down the rabitt hole of government corruption and secret elites with nefarious ambitions. The book is called Project Day Lily and was written by two microbiologists (Garth & Nancy Nicholson) on their experiences of trying to expose Gulf War syndrome as something more than PTSD. This book is written as a fiction (for their protection), but based on their lives. The events described are true, and the scientific principles discussed in the book have been documented in the authors’ publications, reports and sworn testimony to Presidential Commissions and committees of the U. S. Congress. Here’s a short synopsis of the book http://lymebusters.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=rash&action=print&thread=2428

    In Project Day Lily, Nancy’s character is adopted and as she gets older in life, she starts noticing how positive & peculiar “things” start happening in her life and realizes this has been happening all her life, as if an unseen hand was helping guide her life. Blah blah blah long story short, she turns out in fact to be a heiress to a massive fortune from her biological family who had helped guide her life and pull strings for her with out her knowing. To me, it’s not all that far-fetched to think someone or some group could have been monitoring James his whole life.

    Recently, I’ve watched a few different talks given by Cathy O’Brien & Mark Phillips, authors of the Trance-formation of America. Mark is former CIA & Cathy is a former MK-Ultra subject. In these talks they discuss how Cathy was “owned” by Senator Byrd but managed by different handlers. Mark Phillips who worked on MK-Ultra and saw only benevolent projects occurring never knew the level to which this program operated. Cathy also recounts how some of her programming was done within the church. For example, after her first communion (or confirmation or something like that) had ended, her father brought her back to the church to meet with the priest and some CIA programmers where they conducted a dark ritual. Imagine what that could do to a developing brain, partaking first in some holy/righteous event, then hours later being subject to a blood ritual conducted in the same place by the same person.

    So, this leads me back to Mr. Holmes, who attended church for 10 years, and whose mother attended every Sunday.

    Anyways, other potential indicators of being exposed to mind control is the fact that his paternal side of the family has connections to the military intelligence community. The elite and the intelligence community willingly (and unwillingly) submit their children to mind control techniques.

    I’m running out of steam and probably forgot some thoughts that were up there 2 hours ago, but one last thing that I find odd is his sisters “disappearance”. Chris Holmes had thousands of subscribers to her YouTube channel ( http://www.youtube.com/user/ChrisHolmesMusic ) and over 2 million views, but it’s now all but wiped of everything, except for a playlist of other peoples music. Last I checked, the only music of hers still floating around is like a minute clip of her song Walking on Death Row that somebody, somewhere captured.

    A study of popular music will reveal a seedy underside, in which mind control themes are prevalent in lyrics and music videos, but only recognizable to the initiated or the knowledge seeker. I’m not sure if Chris Holmes pulled all the videos on her own accord, but I find it quite plausible that that was someone else’s doing, possibly because of the revealing nature of her lyrics.

    One of the videos in Chris’s playlist is Paramore’s “Brick by Boring Brick”, which, is a video filled with monarch butterflies and is basically enacting an mind control victims struggle to break free (which ultimately finds them in a grave). I saw a really good video that was banned by YouTube (but available on Vimeo) detailing all of the symbolism in this video, but can’t find it at the moment. Just watched another vid in her playlist (Paramore – Misguided Ghosts) which the lyrics to me sound like a mind control victim’s words.

    Anyways, this is entirely to long and I’ll be surprised if it posts. One last thing I noticed in searching around tonight is that coincidently, Garth Nicolson spent his early days of his career at The Salk institute.

    Really sorry about the long post.

    • Paramore – Brick By Boring Brick Lyrics

      Brick By Boring Brick
      She lives in a fairy tale
      Somewhere too far for us to find
      Forgotten the taste and smell
      Of a world that she’s left behind

      It’s all about the exposure the lens I told her
      The angles were all wrong now
      She’s ripping wings off of butterflies

      keep your feet on the ground
      when your head’s in the clouds
      Well go get your shovel
      And we’ll dig a deep hole

      To bury the castle, bury the castle
      Well go get your shovel
      And we’ll dig a deep hole

      To bury the castle, bury the castle
      Ba da ba ba da ba ba da

      So one day he found her crying
      Coiled up on the dirty ground
      Her prince finally came to save her
      And the rest you can figure out

      But it was a trick
      And the clock struck twelve
      Well make sure to build your home brick by boring brick
      or the wolf’s gonna blow it down

      keep your feet on the ground
      when your head’s in the clouds
      Well go get your shovel
      And we’ll dig a deep hole
      To bury the castle, bury the castle

      Well you built up a world of magic
      Because your real life is tragic
      Yeah you built up a world of magic

      If it’s not real
      You can’t hold it in your hand
      You can’t feel it with your heart
      And I won’t believe it
      But if it’s true

      You can see it with your eyes
      Oh even in the dark
      And that’s where I want to be, yeah

      Go get your shovel
      We’ll dig a deep hole
      To bury the castle, bury the castle
      Well go get your shovel
      and we’ll dig a deep hole

      To bury the castle, bury the castle

      Guys x2:
      Ba da ba ba da ba ba da……

      Hayley x2:
      Ba da ba ba da ba ba da…..

      • Paramore – Misguided Ghosts Lyrics

        1, 2, 3, 4

        I am going away for a while
        But I’ll be back don’t try and follow me
        Cause I’ll return as soon as possible
        See I’m tryin’ to find my place
        But it might not be here where I feel safe
        We all learn to make mistakes,

        And run from them
        From them
        With no direction
        We’ll run from them
        From them
        With no conviction

        Cause I’m just one of those ghosts
        Traveling endlessly
        Don’t need no roads
        In fact they follow me
        And we just go in circles

        Now I’m told that this is life
        Pain is just a simple compromise
        So we can we get what we want out of it
        Will someone care to classify
        A broken heart and twisted minds
        So I can find, someone to rely on,

        And run to them
        to them
        Full speed ahead
        Oh you are not
        Useless
        We are just

        Misguided ghosts
        Traveling endlessly
        The ones we trusted the most
        Pushed us far away
        And there’s no one road
        We should not be the same
        I’m just a ghost
        And still they echo me
        They echo me in circles.

    • It’s neither here nor there, I suppose, but I found the Holmes family genealogy online. It shows that James’ dad was a twin. It also shows that his dad and twin sister were born in Turkey. Not sure if that matters at all. But, I found it interesting. Also, the genealogy shows James’ arrival into the family as a birth to his parents, not an adoption. I’m with so many others as well — his sister looks too much like him to not be related. I thought perhaps if it was true, perhaps his dad had him in a former marriage since the original quote was reported by the MSM as coming from his mother as saying she “raised him like one of her own.” However, there is no listing of a former marriage and, in fact, shows that James was born a year or so after his dad completed his PHD and had been married for a few years.

      • Ah yep. But first, Any time that his mother has been ‘quoted’ by the msm seems like a damn good reason why his family may see any contact with the msm as not just harrowing but futile. And then, lots of the info on James and his family, to anyone having spent time on mk research, looks ‘classic’, ticks all the boxes. That’s what bothers me. My instinctive/intuitive/gut call-it-what-you-want reaction in looking at him was ‘nah’. That hasn’t changed. And apparently, at least here, I’m not alone in this. It bothers me also because this mk angle info popped up, it would seem, first on known disinfo sites. It bothers me because this was a factor from the get-go. James wasn’t just some random ‘homeless person’ or ‘disgruntled worker’, he was a ‘neuroscience student’ with a readily searchable history. Like ‘What!? They want us to explore the mk angle!?’ Similarly, things like the Fenton factor bother me too. Almost like the ring where any wrestling to be done was pegged-out. It bothers me that the mk angle was used also, apparently successfully, to ensure that other credible voices just dropped this case, lost interest, albeit amidst the ongoing welter of things coming down the pipeline. The ‘secrecy’ and ‘in camera’ aspects don’t seem to have registered with them. And it bothers me that the mk angle was used to infer that James apparently deserved what was coming to him.
        http://theintelhub.com/2012/07/28/james-holmes-government-pasty-assisting-obama-in-disarming-americans/

  51. Some other witnesses comments. At the end

    “I think it was at least three people…..(she thinks the shooter was in a batman suit, i.e. the tactical gear)…. and there was two people on each side of him, but I think there was only one gun going off.”

    • Finally something useful, thank you.

      Did anyone else hear anything any of this? These quotes are from Abovetopsecret. Possible disinfo? The death count was changed from 14 to 12, and the injured count from 59 to 58, so not entirely impossible, but not mentioned on ANY police scanner that night. They wouldn’t shoot someone and not report it would they? These quotes seem bogus to me.

      “http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread862529/pg1
      –Witness is saying that [b]one of the deceased is an assailant[/b].
      –Just a few seconds ago on FOX … [b]a “possible” second shooter was killed around the scene[/b].
      –They did say [b]one was shot and killed in the theater[/b] and that the other suspect was in custody. So witnesses did say they’re were two shooters.”

      • I really don’t think these people take chances in operations like this, so it’s highly likely that it would be carried out with the involvement of at least 4-6 operatives… Some active, and some acting as the eyes and the ears in a mostly passive manner… At least one of them must have been assigned to help with the escape.

        But getting back to the missing dead and wounded…. It’s highly likely that anyone involved in the plot, could easily dip their hands in somebody’s blood and pretend to be wounded, mixing in to the chaotic atmosphere outside the theater. In fact, there might have been a bogus police car or an ambulance waiting for them as the getaway vehicle. Who’s gonna question an ambulance speeding out of the parking lot?

        • It sounds like the getaway vehicle may have been an undercover cop car based on the police scanner (someone called 911 describing a primer gray older cop looking car fleeing the scene). But an ambulance or actual police car definitely is plausible. It seems unlikely that they would’ve risked the timing where they absolutely HAD to get out of the scene before the police arrived.

          There was the report of Yeom Pyo Lee’s roommate, a female who usually leaves the apartment dressed in business attire, leaving in construction attire. A construction worker reported seeing someone dressed in black headed towards Alameda. Was this a planted red herring? A distraction while the real getaway was made? If this construction crew was legit, they must’ve seen a LOT despite there being 4-5 trees directly in front of where this all took place (it’s just an open field otherwise). They were out repairing Sable Blvd, the road directly behind where this all happened.

        • I’m so glad that you brought up the construction crew… Since the first time I heard about them and watched this one interview with the crew, I had two main thoughts: One was the fact that the sheer coincidence of having them there was already peculiar. But , the second thought was that, in a place like Arora, it couldn’t be too darn difficult to determine whether this crew, it’s members and their work schedule were legit.

          How can one find out if the interviewed workers were indeed legit, how long had they been working for the city, etc.

          I haven’t watched it for a while, but their interview sounded a bit too casual with comments like “Oh yeah, we happened to be there working and we did not see anything.” And there certainly were not any questions regarding the crew, their job orders, or whether or not there was any last minute replacement crew members placed in there…

          The existence of a construction crew at a vantage point to witness almost everything behind the theater could have been a reason to abort the operation, unless they were used as cover for at least certain members of the team, as the issue of this woman leaving home in construction gear implies.

          I so wish that there was an organized evidence, video and news article depository (with no commentary) to refer to… Not only it would create a timeline of sorts, but it would save all of us so much time in going back to check and re-check anything and everything.

          Does anyone know a simple and efficient way to accomplish this??? If all the passionate people here contributed, I feel we can get somewhere decent with it quite fast… Provided that there is a place to post all of the material at hand.

          • I totally agree. Kind of an online James Holmes Case Evidence Vault. I’d be willing to set up an independent website if someone(s) could help me. It would be a way to preserve things in one place — I totally agree — AND somewhere that it can’t “disappear.” These youtube videos and such come and go. Not sure of the legalities and way to do it under an anonymous proxy or whatever. Any ideas out there?

          • I am afraid I am not savvy enough to make suggestions.. But, I know enough to know that it can be done. So, I will defer to those who can pull this off. I will certainly contribute to it to the best of my abilities.

            But you raise a good point about disappearing videos and articles… Which means that simply providing links or embedded videos might be equivalent to keeping notes that can vaporize equally fast…

            Even if that part of it can not be formulated from the copyright point of view, I think it would still be extremely beneficial to everyone’s efforts.

            So, yes…. Open call to all: Can you help?

          • If anyone can determine what construction company was working last night (not sure if it’s in the video), you could phone the company and say your doing a reference check and ask if so & so works there, assuming they used their full names in the interview.

          • Info on Construction Crew

            Company: Brannan Sand and Gravel http://www.brannan1.com/

            Workers: Neomia Roach, Denny Van Why, Garrett Olsen http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=279639

          • It’s all here, really, in all of Scott’s posts and all of the hundreds, if not thousands, of comments. All the links, all the questions, all the theories, all the speculation. Sure, it takes hours to wade through and there are many repeat comments and links, and a little filler, but not much. If we could only extract all the Aurora articles and comments and put it all in one location, we’d have everything. Since it’s already here, on Scott’s blog, however, I’m not sure it would be worthwhile to move it elsewhere. I do, however, think it worthwhile to start printing out articles, storing screen captures, backing up videos, etc., as some of this stuff will begin to disappear–particularly the stuff linked to online newspapers.

  52. Scott, You’ve enabled something priceless here. If we keep bravely telling the truth, something big has to eventually come from it. Kiwasabi, you’re in a great position. Is anyone teaming up with you there? I wonder if the police honestly collected all the evidence available. Also wonder about the shotgun pellet injuries, and if someone didn’t get injured or killed by a knife (Obama’s cover-up of the blood on the sidewalk). Obama covering up?

  53. I have a hard time wrapping my head around what sort of ghouls plan and execute something like this. I’m imagining them in some secure conference room drawing diagrams and timelines on a whiteboard, holding status meetings during the run-up, checking in with the Holmes doubles and patsy handlers, prepping the media releases, etc… One thing is for sure is that they are not as smart as they think they are, all these slip-ups and goofs are proof of that. Unfortunately they are still smarter than 95% of the population and that will probably be enough.

    How do they sleep at night knowing that they’re directly responsible for all those deaths and injuries? How do they live with themselves knowing what they’ve done to this poor kid and his family? Don’t they know that someday the machine will chew them up and spit them out like it did to Oswald, McVeigh, Wade Page and all the others? My guess is that it’s like the mafia, seems cool at first and a good way to make money while playing secret agent, but then once you’re mature enough to understand it and want out, it’s too late. They have got to be absolutely miserable people. Some of them may just be psychopaths and actually enjoy harming people, which is even more pathetic.

    Oh, and those bogus motions being filed in court by random crazy people are another variation on the “crazy witness” tactic used to destroy Jim Garrison’s Kennedy conspiracy trial. Notice that the motions will mix in valid concerns with loony-bin crazy talk. They are not talking about these much now simply because they don’t need to. However, if too many people start asking too many difficult questions (“why do witnesses say 5’8″ and buff when holmes is 6’3″ and skinny? “why was his booking photo taken 3 days after his arrest?”, “why has his family hired criminal defense for themselves but not for him?”, etc…), they will take these crazy motions off ice and put them on the nightly news. Conan will make jokes about them and faster than you can say “tin foil hat”, the public will be trained to giggle at any mention of a conspiracy in this case. People like those on this board will learn to keep their mouths shut if they want to keep their friends. BTW South Park was used to do this with 9/11. These goons have a very small playbook and they run the same old standards every single time.

    The worst part is that they always seem to succeed. BTW, be wary of any new “friends” that suddenly appear in your life, I think this is what happened to James. Maybe a new and exciting girlfriend that came into his life quickly and left him brokenhearted after duplicating his keys and cellphone SIM card. They can do this to anybody.

    • Excellent points all the way around! I enjoyed reading that. I have contemplated the very thing you mention about a new “friend.” My suspicions lie there as well. If we allow, for a moment, that the grooveshark account is his, that would explain the broken-heart love songs that he was listening to. The theme of someone “lying” or “hiding their true colors” is very prevalent in that song list. It really makes you think. My intuition tells me that there is a woman involved here, for sure.

      Thanks for sharing those thoughts.

      • Do you remember the NYT article mentioned he was frequently seen with a male and female up to the last month or so he was there in Aurora?

  54. Another shooting, this time in a supermarket in NJ. 3 dead. He apparently used an AK 47 and handgun.
    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/31/13587962-employee-shoots-2-dead-at-nj-supermarket-before-killing-himself-police-say?lite

    • disgruntled employee did that one…

      • or maybe a love affair gone wrong…

      • Even though we had to heard of any disgruntled employee shootings for quite a while (I don’t remember the last time I had heard of one), within one week there are two of them, one in New York and one in New Jersey.

        I would hold off on classifying this as coincidental just yet.

        • I also noticed that the aurora shooting, the empire state shooting, and the one today in NJ were all on Fridays. Maybe it means nothing, since the Sikh Temple was on a Sunday. Maybe it’s mere coincidence, but I did notice.

        • Seems like the disgruntled laid off employee meme had already started right after the aurora incident. The so called copycat Maryland Joker, who was “heard” threatening his ex employer with blowing the place up? At the time, the fact that he had been laid off did not seem so significant…

          By the way, don’t be surprised if you here’s more of these people being “heard” saying things…. Where it is heard is through your phone… Everything you say gets digitized, and is subject to any filter they may wish to employ using key phrases. If your 300 dollar iPhone can understand everything you say, just imagine what their gazillion dollar systems can do.

  55. what i don’t understand is this.. all these shooters target people that either they had no association with and had no connection to their supposed original anger (ie: jh, would he have not taken his anger out on the school?); or they “mistakenly” believed that Sikhs were somehow the same as Muslim (were actual Muslims not targeted because the response may have been more severe?); or like the shooting in new jersey today..someone can make you mad enough at work (after only working there 2 weeks!!) that you are going to indiscriminately shoot people with an ak47?? all these “reasons/motives” are misguided and way out of proportion. is it being done to put us in a constant state of fear? we aren’t safe at the movies, at church, the supermarket, waiting in line at the empire state building..everything that we take for granted…

    • Fear is the energy source for their power.

    • There’s usually many facets to these kind of psy-ops… The common threads in the most recent ones seems to be the use of semi automatic weapons, the ability to purchase ammunition online, the vilification of the “white male” with no criminal history, the vets, the 9/11 truthers, or, really, any kind of truther… As an added flavor, there’s also a huge campaign to make race a wedge issue in this country… Some of that has to do with the upcoming elections, and some of it is the standard issue “divide and conquer” tactics.

      • what’s”funny” is that as the years go by, i seem to fit into more of these categories. i was told the other day that i am on the fringe because i believe a lot of what Ron Paul says..my mom told me this by the way and she supports a lot of what he says too. to go way back to the top of this post, would we put other people in these categories if the msm wasn’t out there ramming it down our throats? if they said it, it has to be true..yea right.
        ps. when i here an ex marine did this or this guy was in the army it makes me so sad. my dad who is 86, served in ww11. agree or not on a certain war, these men and women deserve our thanks, respect, and a good country to come home too where they can get a job. (sorry if i ramble)

          • so true. in that site it says the author was jailed because he was “not following the Nazi enthusiastically enough.” today, if you don’t follow the government, the msm, Hollywood, etc enthusiastically enough and you dare to think for yourself and you realize hey something is wrong with this you are labeled all kinds of derogatory things. i really respect everyone on here for what you do!

          • They have already gone after people who receive SS….. claiming it is weighing down the economy, and the unions, and the protesters, and the home owners (who trusted the banking system), and the farmers, and now the teachers, and starting on the police… and they been hushing up media long time ago…… and threatening politicians for a long time… (they murdered Kennedy, Martin L KIng…..
            and I guess they are sending scary messages to the students… now ?

  56. I know while reviewing the Bonnie Kate video that I pointed out the fact you could hear a vehicle speeding off in the background, this was at some point in the video after they’ve moved to the back of the theater (shortly after 1:00am I believe). It’s possible it was a police car taking a victim to a hospital, but there are no sirens accompanying the squealing tires. Also, if I remember correctly, the timescale corresponds to about 2 hours before the comment on the scanner audio “but that was two hours ago” in reference to the older model police-style car speeding away. I’d give you the video links and timecodes for these, but it’s month end at work and I need to power through this mountain of desk, after that I can put more time into this case again. Cheers.

  57. This is interesting. Sounds like her husband works for the APD.

    http://www.allthatisseenandunseen.com/blog/?tag=century-16-aurora-shooting

    • Maybe she would be someone to send a stack of evidence to through registered mail–though she seems like she may be a bit fragile.

      • You’re right. The woman is obviously having an extremely stressful time and .contacting her would be totally inappropriate. The last thing she needs is to be told that the situation might be even worse than she thinks.

  58. First, my apologies if this has already been posted. There aren’t but a few thousand posts here to go through now, lol.

    Second, this girl uses the exact word that I used at the END of this video. Watch all of it. You might say the same thing since it ends while she is talking just AFTER she clearly describes THREE people in the theater. A shooter flanked on each side by other people. And, she’s an employee of the Century 16.

    Look quick. I bet this one disappears. Only 39 views so far and this is the most damning video of all for the argument that there was more than one person involved.

    Excuse me, I think I need to go throw up now. Damn.

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmo5GmODYyc&w=420&h=315%5D

    Hang with me. Never posted a video on wordpress before. I may need some help.

    • Definitely the most credible witness account I’ve seen so far.
      Makes me a little concerned for her.

    • This girl might be singularly the most credible sounding witness I have seen since the beginning… Her three people testimony sounds totally believable…

      But…. What’s up with the video being cut off just when it’s getting juicy? Is that a YouTube time ligation? If it is, why not post the rest as a second video? This is frustrating…

    • Also was looking at a timeline of events. He sent the e-mail about withdrawal on the 10th and met Fenton on the 11th. Perhaps she met with him because she was talking him into staying?

      • So, the call to the hospital came in at 12:31, if that was in fact James Holmes. If we go by what his attorney’s say, he called nine minutes before the shooting started (not sure where they are getting that number). That would put the time at 12:40, a minute after calls to authorities began coming in about the shooting.

    • From that article on the call
      “Fixler did not immediately know if the recording of the seven-second call was given to police. He said the switchboard also records phone numbers but that he didn’t know if the number was associated with Holmes. He referred further questions to the Aurora Police Department, which did not immediately return phone messages.”

      • so my question is how do they know jh made the call? little bits of info and a whole lot of conjecture is thrown out there by the msm. where’s the proof he made the call? this case is so confusing and complex.

        • It’s the same with everything Brad. They say “James” created the AFF profile. They say he emailed the school to withdraw. He emailed his shooting range application. He texted some woman about dysphoric mania. Everything “he” did was either via text or email…and on the other hand, they claim he had no electronic footprint. That’s all electronic, is it not? And can also easily be argued because it was, that it was NOT James sending any of those, but someone else impersonating him. VERY easy to do.

          • Maybe it was the same person who impersonated Yeom Lee by routing a call through his phone to the police. That’s not a skill that many people possess. If they had the ability to make it appear that Lee made a call, I’m sure “they” had the ability to text/call from Holmes’ phone, too. And god knows what else…

  59. What we’ve learned the last couple of days about some of James Holmes’ wonderful motivations has rekindled my resolve to do what I can for him. Is there anyplace collecting funds for his defense? Is there any place other than this great blog where we can work together? When I wake up in the night worrying about our country — and James, it seems all I can do is pray (prayer changes things). But there’s always SOMETHING more to be done, and sometimes a small thing has a big result. I want to believe in James Holmes until all hope is extinguished!

    • I feel your frustration, Sue. It would be ideal if there were a trustworthy defense fund to which we could contribute; however, I fear that it would be too controversial. Much as I would like to make an anonymous donation to ensure that this kid gets a fair trial and the best defense possible, I can’t imagine how that would work (there’s a digital paper trail for everything), and I’m not willing to take the personal and professional risk of public exposure as a contributor to such a fund. So, absent the ability to contribute monetarily, I think that online activism, continued citizen investigation/journalism, awareness promotion, and simply keeping this story alive are probably the best we can muster right now.

  60. The media has mentioned Holmes sister (Chirs Holmes) and highlighted the fact that her songs are about quite dark subject matter.

    They also went out of their way to suggest Holmes suffered from “Dysphoric mania”. I’ve already said that this isn’t unusual for a student whose peers are studying these very topics but there’s another possibility.

    His family’s car in San Diego apparently had a bumper sticker for a group called ‘Write love on her arm’, which specializes in helping people with depression, bi-polar disorder and substance abuse (its also a LGBT friendly group).

    Given that James Holmes never displayed any evidence of emotional problems (and was allowed to work as a counsellor for troubled teens) and that his sister was a gay, singer-songwriter of darkly themed songs, isn’t it possible that any mention of “dysphoric mania” might have bene referring to her?

    If his sister was going through some serious problems it might have impacted Holmes enough to affect his studies. It would also give a reason for his parents trying to avoid any media attention (i.e. concerned of the welfare/mental stability of the sister).

    This is pure speculation but (apart from this) I honestly can’t understand how the members of his family could avoid giving any statement to the media (even if they believe him guilty) to support the kind person James had been throughout the rest of the life they spent with him.

    • “To write love on her arms”, a very popular group for both men and women. Who knows if it was for CH? But how would you explain the “i’m bad news, stay away” part. We didn’t hear the whole context of the conversation (if it is in fact accurate) so I guess we will never really know.

  61. Retyped this a few times.. basically watching Matrix tonight (went to it’s midnight viewing in 1999) and finding it as a new film. I see it in a different light. Not like it is a real life thing, but the message it seems to get across. I am no longer taking the blue pill… lol.

    • Mind you I do not believe in the ability of defying gravity or above normal strength.. I just like how the movie starts off on being just a controlled person taught to behave in certain manners and breaking free of that is of bad consciousnesses. But feeling the part of using a part of your mind that we do not normally use amuses me.

  62. I’ve got a lot of comments to catch up on, but I had an idea for an archive that just came to me. All that’s needed is something simple like a directory with folders for articles, videos, pictures, etc. In each folder we could link to the original source and mirror the page as well. Maybe have a google document to catalogue whats in the directory for easy searching, including hyper-links to the directory address.

    I also envision a Spreadsheet where we can put the cast of characters down one side, and key information about them and what they witnessed/claimed/etc to the right. Could maybe do similar things for creating a timeline. All right, I got other ideas flowing, but like I said something simple would be best I think.

    Sorry if someone has already suggested this.

    • Seems many suggest, it takes someone with time on their hands to act, I enjoyed google share, but that is not so protected. If the right lawyer or dea does not like the site.. well it’s undone. I don’t have a good answer, just an unanswer of where not to hold docs and such,

      • We just need to get the ball rolling and then we’ll continue gathering steam like we have from the beginning. Someone knowledgeable could set up a simple directory on our own web space relatively quickly I would imagine. I struggled with my own webpage years ago, but I think once something was set up, we’d just need a few people with ftp clients to upload the documents. Feel free to put me in my place if I’m talking out of my ass.

        Another thought is to set up our own wiki; anyone out there set up a wiki before? I think wiki’s may need to link to source material though.

    • I would be willing to index everything I’ve got–hundreds of articles, videos, and related website links and their significance–and post the links to a collaborative website from which we can visit the links and store/print back-up copies of everything. The problem I see is the same problem we encounter here: too many “repeats!”

      Equally important as the news and witness accounts are the analyses presented by folks like Scott, darknighttruth, Jon Rappaport, and others in their blogs, as well as the comments here. The questions and theories are just as important as the extant evidence, so I think they should be saved and indexed somewhere, too.

  63. Considering how sloppy this whole thing is, with new “revelations” coming from so many unverifiable sources so late in the game, it causes me to question…. why is Holmes still alive? Certainly this question has been asked several times, and a few theories tossed out. I don’t believe a public trial was part of the plan, I do believe the original plan was for Holmes to be “suicided.” It seems as though they had to scramble to put together a cover story with real and convincing pieces to corroborate the narrative. This massive blunder is what has ignited a firestorm of inquiry from independent researchers such as Scott and Dark Knight Oracle. None of that would be necessary if he were dead. Holmes death would reconcile several holes that exist in the current narrative.

    I believe that the bomb in his apartment was intended to go off, and provide distraction and cover for the shooting. The music in his apartment started at 0030, and the shooting started at 0039. Recall that someone below him went to his door, and found it unlocked? She decided not to open it, but if she had, the place would have went up. The police never showed up to the scene, but if they had, most likely they would have triggered the explosion. I find it hard to believe that the music going off wasn’t intended to lure someone into his apartment. All anyone needed to do was open the door. However, as it turned out, the police showed up at the theater within 90 seconds. I believe this is where the whole affair starts to come unraveled. I don’t think the operation intended for the police to arrive so quickly, and because of that, one of the shooters may have been shot:

    Additionally, there were reports of at least one bomb found in a vehicle, and one found inside the mall or theater. I think the intent was to conduct the shooting, kill Holmes, and set off the additional devices in and around the theater. Had his apartment blew, that would have indeed provided the cover required to accomplish the additional tasks. The whole op would have been a slam dunk had the bomb went off. Instead, now they have to provide an explanation of the bomb in his apartment, craft an account of Holmes behavior over the last several months leading up to the shooting, plant a false evidence trail, find false witnesses, etc, etc. None of which are convincing.

    Anyone have any additional thoughts?

    • Yes. The ‘secret trial’ is an integral part of the op. They need James or whoever the designated patsy is. They need for there to be no questions asked, no dissent, a compliant populace, for when they next want to have secret trials. What was that motto? Something about ‘winning the minds, winning the day’ ? This is just a warm-up. If we accept the assertion that this is a destabilization campaign, then what’s the point of only running one end of it and not having the other end tied up? I would have thought that at least that part of the ‘message’ might have been obvious – ‘the dark knight rises’

      • Good points. I agree this is a layered op, to be sure. I think the objectives you list are still served even if Holmes is dead. I see at least the following three:

        1. Gun control.
        2. Advance the police state.
        3. Create a culture of fear and suspicion.

        All of these frighten the population into submission and reliance on government for protection, and splinter our ability to unite. The TSA is leaving the airports and heading out into our communities. With the public whipped into a frenzy of fear, they will line up to be compliant to the government, hand over their weapons in the process, spy and report on their friends and neighbors.

        I also agree that Aurora is just a warm-up of whats to come, indeed, a dark night is rising upon us all.

        • Yes, good points also, but I don’t think they’re too concerned about the weakness of evidence. It doesn’t seemed to have bothered them too much in the past. I still maintain James being alive is integral, although the other option is certainly being implied. Even, perhaps loose, considerations might include –
          why bother to dye his hair,
          refer to him as ‘the joker’,
          have him ‘found’ drugged insensible,
          in that car,
          with that number plate.

          • Ugh. sorry. a bit unco. … it doesn’t seem to …

          • The psy op is much more effective when he’s alive. All these other shootings (Sikh Temple, Empire State Building, guy by Texas A&M) immediately lost everyone’s attention. People need a villain if they’re to remain afraid and able to be controlled. Just look at bin Laden. Obviously he wasn’t behind 9/11, but news of his death in December of 2001 was silenced so that Americans would stay afraid.

          • I think finding a dead guy with wild Orange hair would simply add to the psychotic atmosphere being created by this op. We know he never referred to himself as the Joker, the media did that, and could just as easily have called him an “obvious” Joker wannabe had he been offed. Finding him drugged in the car………. that’s another point that makes no sense, and is definitely not very clean. That is just another point that has to be covered up and obfuscated, any witnesses and police officers not on the “payroll” must also be silenced. I guarantee somebody witnessed Holmes “apprehension”, but nobody is talking. Again, I think him being found in a drugged stupor in the manner he was, only bolsters my opinion that he was supposed to be killed. However, the police showed up too soon, and the op was not completed according to plan.

          • Seamus An Chaca

            The ‘message’, unlike the collateral fall-out, was not primarily intended for the domestic audience.

    • John…..great post……Lila and I have been speculating about this as well…….Ok the shooting as part of the destabilaization campaign was completed,,,,,but whats the agenda with the show trial?…….I have speculated as well that that aspect of this operation was botched and the original plan was to kill james.
      Or the show trial might serve to bring up contentious legal issues maybe like the notebook so that future legis;ation could be enacted furthering the erosion of privacy issues or civil liberties.
      So…it was either botched.or this show trial serves another agenda…

      Polaris on this site has a video where a couple claims to have seen a policeman shot in the chest…..which obiously would not be part of this operation……like you say maybe the police arrived too soon…..

      • I think the show trial IS serving an agenda, the oligarchs aren’t going to waste an opportunity to assert their authority. However, the unconvincing nature of the entire case leads me to believe that the original intent was to kill Holmes. The case, and the lack of evidence is very sloppy, and feels forced. I think they had to seal the case to create a cloak of secrecy in which to operate, otherwise they run the risk of exposure, as they literally have no case. This allows time for the narrative to be crafted, and to insert all the manufactured evidence against Holmes. I think if the trial was intended from the beginning, we would be seeing a much tighter case.

        • You highlight a good point, John: to seal the case is to buy time to close the gaps in the story–to create the story after the fact.

        • Speaking of sealing the case, does anyone have a source on all parties affected by the gag order?

      • Not sure why the “officer shot” story hasn’t taken off. No one seems to talk about it, and it remained buried among the online witness accounts for some time on Youtube. Maybe there’s something I’m missing concerning these witnesses–a husband and wife from theater 8–but their testimony seems compelling in the two or three videos they’ve posted on the subject. Oddly, right after I posted about this, a particular youtuber promptly declared the witnesses phonies without providing any credible evidence to support that claim, presumably because their story didn’t fit with that person’s version of the conspiracy(!). The “officer shot” story never seemed to gain attention, possibly for that reason.

        Personally, I’m not sure if they saw an officer, someone impersonating an officer, a security guard, a moviegoer dressed in a costume, someone who had been shot in “friendly fire,” or perhaps someone who had even been given an officer’s clothing if he/she had his/hers removed to gain access to a wound. Whatever the case, I do believe that the witnesses believe this is what they saw. The links to the husband’s testimony are in the comments of this video of mine. It’s really amateur, but I’m just focused on getting out as much info as quickly as possible for others to investigate–not on winning subscribers or video editing awards, lol:

        • Polaris….I find your video to be very compelling…..and the couples description of the events believable…….Just think about all the employees of the theater that eve……personnel that work the popcorn counter, cashiers, managers etc….and We have not heard from one of them….not one employee witness!The only witnesses we have heard from have been in the actual theater…..but none from the lobby.

          I continue to look at the aeriel footage of the front of theater and find it is so inconsistent with a mass shooting having taken place inside….there are only two cops standing guard at the entrance…..but of 60-70 people were shot and some fled out the front of the theater than it seems there should be blood trails, blood drops, pools of blood etc…similar to the back of the theater. where just one person was injured….I thought it was interesting that the families that are complaining about the funds that have not been distributed… that there were only a few families that were there…..Jarell Brooks who was injured had two people there……Kind of like the total number of injured or dead has been wildly exagerated??
          Its so hard to comprehend exactly what happened there that eve…..i..

          • This person also mentions being turned away from going out the exit which would have led to the lobby @ 4:56, “They were being pushed back. Why are they coming back in?” He was in theatre 8.

            • Just Carolyn…..Thanks for the video….its defintely interesting his account of the events…however first he says he didnt know what was happening and was confused ..then he talks about the guy that got shot in the neck that was sititng right next to him….. I think if someone got shot that was sitting next to him…he would know excactly what was going on….to me his story is a little suspect…..not that we wasnt there…but he contradicts himself many times….
              But back to my original point…….out of all the employees that were working that night we have not heard one account of the events from an employee……Think about it….cashiers, concession stand, ushers, management…..still the only witnesses we hear from are from patrons
              that were inside either theater 8 or 9…….why not even ask witnesses that were in other theaters like 10, 11, 16 etc???

          • The wrong video posted for my post. It’s this one.

            He mentions not being allowed to go out the main entry/exit to theatre 8.

          • Ok. Some bizarre is going on. It’s posting the wrong video even though I’m copying/pasting the link from Youtube.

            This goes after the .com/ watch?v=LElLedFPeg0&feature=my_favorites&list=FLxkngmhhV_4MlxPlcAGDiAA

            • Just Carolyn…….I have seen Polaris video……this last video of the young mans account is full of contradictions….he contradicts himself too many times……and the part about deleting the photos and video he took out of respect I have a hard time believeing….whats surprising is he would have been more believable if he had not brought up the part about the ticket, the deleted photos and video….saying that casts doubt on his story….

          • Frederick, I believe this one is from an employee. I questioned why they would allow just anyone to enter the high school and question people, but apparently that’s normal according to one poster. I find it really hard to believe that they’d let people among the witnesses, even if they were family members.

            And if it posts the wrong video again, this is what goes after .com
            watch?v=MKFdL_zE8zQ&feature=plcp

          • JustCarolyn amazing video the very end it gets amazing then cuts off. Do you have the end of this?

            “They definitely threw smoke bombs and they threw one other thing… Either they were hiding behind the screen, which there is at least(video stops).

          • Democracy, no I don’t have anymore of the video. I just came across it on Youtube.

        • Published on Jul 20, 2012 ….how have I not seen this yet?

          I haven’t had much time to check out this website lately but this article seems to be quite the bomb shell.

          Really nice find Polaris, leave it to Minnesota to drop some serious truth.

          A few of my favorite lines

          Segura and her husband approached the lower exits to find them blocked. “We were yelled at ‘no no no, don’t go through the lobby.’”

          She described seeing a cop “who’d been shot through the chest. He looked terrified.” “If the gunmen are going to kill cops, there’s no way they’re going to be stopped,” she recalled thinking. She didn’t know at the time that a lone gunman was to blame.

          She said that the cop was still alive when they left, but based on where he was shot, “I doubt that he would make it. There was just so much blood.”

          …How does a cop getting shot not leak?
          …Was it really a cop?
          …Why not tell the public about such an event?

      • http://tinyurl.com/dy5fpak
        This article was previously posted, but I want to reference a few items within it that I find significant if true. First, although the media reports that Holmes smiled/chuckled once or twice during the hearing, this article states that he still had the “strange wide-eyed expression” that we saw at the first hearing. The smiling/chuckling (which is very strange, given the gravity of the situation) plus the wide-eyed, bewildered look indicates to me that Holmes is still being drugged.

        Here’s something else from the article: “When asked on the stand Thursday if she [Fenton] reported Holmes . . . as a ‘threat to harm,’ she said she did not.”

        http://tinyurl.com/c5t8zuj
        This article also states of Fenton, “. . . [W]hen asked whether she had ever contacted authorities for reasons required by the state law that mandates psychiatrists report specific threats of violence made by their patients, Fenton said she had not.”

        http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31397938/detail.html
        In this article, Fenton is cited as having said she would only contact the police about a patient if she were “very concerned.”

        This article also claims that experts believe Fenton violated doctor-patient confidentiality by contacting police and “. . . that once a doctor breaks doctor-patient confidentiality it generally means they can no longer treat that patient.”

        • Oops. The above post was not in response to anyone. Sorry about that. Here’s the rest of what I want to say:

          We know that Fenton contacted a campus police officer on June 11 after her one and only meeting with Holmes because she wanted additional information and was “very concerned.” We also know that Fenton had an exchange with the same officer on June 12, during which she learned that his ID badge access privileges had been revoked.

          To string all of this together: Fenton was so concerned about something that she violated doctor-patient confidentiality by speaking with a campus police officer, yet not concerned enough to report him as a threat, or she did not find him a threat. By extension, this also leads me to conclude that Fenton probably did not report Holmes to the Beta Team. Instead, it’s possible that Fenton was concerned FOR Holmes but not BY him. Maybe she felt that he was caught up in something beyond his control, some sort of operation or external influence. If she felt he were suicidal or homicidal, I surmise that she would be required by law to report him. Absent suicidal or homicidal ideations, what would have given Fenton cause for concern?

          Maybe Fenton was “very concerned” about Holmes’ health but needed to know whether he would be permitted on campus to continue treatment during the summer if he withdrew (?). Perhaps the police officer merely confirmed that students are not permitted back on the campus for such purposes if they are no longer enrolled. Just speculating…

          Also found this insightful:
          http://tinyurl.com/dxr2l6k According to this article, Fenton described the three ways in which a doctor-patient relationship could be terminated, and she indicated that her relationship with Holmes ended in one of these three ways: “The patient could decide he or she doesn’t want to come back, the two parties could agree that treatment is no longer needed or the physician could move away or make some other change that would prevent further treatment.”

    • A bit like Oslo in that you have one perp supposedly responsible for both acts, one an explosion and other a shooting. In Norway I think they just wrapped up that show trial. Maybe Holmes is the American version of Breivik. Interestingly, Oslo was July 22 2011 and Aurora was July 20 2012.

      If they can’t get a totally secret trial of Holmes and too many questions are asked, they can always play the “Ruby” card. Jails are dangerous places.

    • John, not to put you on the spot, but do you happen to have any links to the articles that mention a bomb in a vehicle and/or in the mall/theater? That’s the one news report that I’m missing amongst my “collection,” lol.

  64. Dont know why the link wasn’t posted:www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqjvhSe3qi8&feature=channel&list=UL

  65. I noticed on the week’s summary on the court page this: “Motion to intervene by C.R. to submit newly discovered evidence and for right to be heard under crime victims rights act filed by C.R.”

    They’re also using initials now, instead of names.

  66. Just Carolyn……..she was not working there that night……I find her account of the events to be believable……but she was there as a patron that night……..she clearly states she believes there were more than one shooter…..
    I was hoping for someone that was working in the lobby that night like a cashier, manager, usher etc…
    Its funny how FEW believable witness accounts there are of this shooting…….there could be hundreds of credible stories……but crazy how few there are…..

    • Which witness accounts aren’t credible?

      • Listen to the guy on the phone below and the girl who worked in the movie theatre (also below). Both are totally credible. You can notice that their voice shakes a points. In the aftermath of any intense shock even recollection of it will produce a rush of adrenaline. People giving testimony will often speak in a rush, speaking almost without thinking what they’re about to say, repeating themselves, stammering to a halt because they’re not sure what direction they’re going in. This is all normal. Its also typical not to make extended eye contact, i.e. the persons eys will shift around as they recall the (fairly intense) memories.

        There are a LOT of witnesses who speak very calmly, in normal conversation style and without displaynig any shock or trauma. Some even seem to be playing up the events with bad acting like this guy

        “and honestly, for the record, there was only one guy”

        It is, quite literally, impossible for him to know that given the conditions. I can’t say whether the unreliable witnesses are simply grandstanding and want the attention available from this (its quite clear there are many people who will do anythng to get on tv) or if they’ve been influenced by whatever they were told when ‘debriefed’ by police at the highschool.

        There is a series of vids you can find called ‘Aurora Colorado Shooting Hoax part 1′ (Goes up to part 4)

        Not all the people shown are unreliable (imo) inappropriate smiling or laughter can be a reaction to shock. Some are, however, highly suspect.

        • Gray….great point! I touched on this yesterday,,,,,,there should be hundreds of credible witnesses….I had mentioned that there has not been one theater employee from that night that has described the events, there have only been a limited number of not credible witnesses from theater 8 or 9…….Where are the moviegoers that were in the lobby or the other theaters….?? I want to hear from the guy that was working as an usher in the lobby, I want to hear from someone that working as a cashier in the booth, the popcorn counter etc…..
          To me its absolutley bizarre that there are so few good witnesses…..even the witnesses that seem like they were really therethat eve…. sometimes I even have my doubts about them…

          • Right, this is a highly publicized case. I have been sleuthing this case every day since it happened. Not ONE person has been able to say, “Yes I remember seeing a crazy orange haired dude buy a ticket” or even seen him in the lobby, in the theater, ANYWHERE???? THIS is what I have such a huge problem with in this case. Yes, you can make the argument that witness testimony is often not credible because of chaos, whatever. However, if I saw some crazy haired dude in the theater I would probably point it out to whoever I was with and giggle, make a face, whatever. I would NOT just ignore someone with freaking ORANGE hair! Why is everyone involved in this case just accepting the story that has been fed? Does James Holmes even know if he did it? Is he just going along with it because he has been told what an evil monster he is? He is already in a vulnerable position in prison, never having been there before. Probably easily manipulated. THIS is what I have a problem with.

          • Do you think that they’d have just been advised by police, lawyers, etc. not to go to the media with their stories, especially if they’re potential witnesses in a trial? That hasn’t stopped people before though. I do find it hard to believe that this day in age, some of them wouldn’t be seeking their 15 minutes of fame; on the other hand, if I was in that position, I know I wouldn’t be making the media rounds either.

            • @ Just Carolyn……what I think is possibly the ” real ” witnesses have been told or threatend not to talk. but not because of the upcoming trial but because their story does not match the oficial narrative….and so we have only heard from a bunch of fake witnesses that have been coached and have made the rounds on mainstream TV…..
              Question…..how many beilievable witnesses have we heard from?? just a few??? There should ..hundreds of good witness accounts….

          • And I agree, Meesh. The scary thing is, even when I bring that up to friends (about nobody seeing a guy with orange hair, even the people sitting right behind the guy they claim was James taking a phone call), they completely jump to something else in the case that they think points to his guilt. They’ll say something like, “He planned it. He had a notebook with all the details.” It’s very frustrating to discuss it with anyone who thinks he’s guilty because they don’t even acknowledge the things that go against just plain common sense.

          • Right Carolyn, people forget no one has even seen the notebook. Not prosecution, not defense. I’m not even sure if the judge has. Its’ locked up right now. No one knows whats inside it. For all we know it could say, “Help someone is after me!”

          • Exactly, which makes me wonder why on earth the judge keeps delaying dealing with the notebook. Now it’s delayed until what, Sept. 20th??? Seems to me they’re stalling/killing time, maybe because they don’t really have the plan in place yet for that.

          • I’m afraid that in order to get access to the victim relief money (most of which has not been released), people will have to ID Holmes.

            You saw Holmes? OK good = relief money

            You saw 2 shooters? No Holmes? You must not have been there, no money.

          • Agreed, Frederick. And in the New York Times article, I thought this quote was interesting: “said the student who, like many of those interviewed, spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing reasons that included not wanting their privacy invaded by other news organizations and hearing from law enforcement or university officials that talking publicly could compromise the investigation.’

            The “hearing from law enforcement or university officials” caught my eye.

          • Honestly, I’m surprised he’s not dead yet. I”m just waiting for him to have committed suicide. Either because he’s in prison and thats his life or because he’s really mentally ill and bipolar and is gonna come crashing down from that manic high soon. (if that is true)

          • I think the construction crew would be some good witnesses to talk to. They were behind the theatre. Did anyone ever even see James Holmes in or out of his car?I havent heard anybody ever mention seeing him being arrested outside. The youtube videos showing the wounded on the back of the theater right after the shooting started at 12:51 am yet there is no sign of james being taken into custody back there. I really doubt he was apprehended , stripped of all tactical gear , cuffed and hauled away in less than 15 minutes

  67. Here’s a diagram of theater 9. The witness in the video everyone’s been linking mentioned that there are TWO exits. That would explain why witnesses reported gas canisters being thrown from opposite ends. It isn’t in the diagram, but it’s most likely on the opposite end of the one shown.

    http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2012/0721/20120721_015723_CD0721SHOOTSCENE.jpg

    • Ya….so the girl who works there says theater 9 has two exits leading outside. I find it strange that this is the first I am hearing of this.

    • The way I understand it, there were 5 exits. The two regular ones that come in through those hallways on the side near the bottom of the stairs in the theater. Then there is the front emergency exit. And then, like I said, the way I understand it, there are also 2 other emergency exits at the end of the stairs in the back of the theater that lead out to that walkway thing behind that lead down the stairs in the lobby.
      I know for sure that those back emergency exits are in theater 8, but I think 9 too though. I remember a witness in the back row of 9 explaining how she went out that one just to the left of her at the top (back side) of the theater. I’ve heard people in 8 say there was a door in the back that went out to the projectionists booth too, but many witnesses went through a door up there that leads onto this walkway thing that goes down stairs into the lobby.

      • I guess that would make it 6, if you include both of the exits to the outside. Jennifer Seeger talks about a hallway behind the emergency exit back there. Like the door doesn’t lead directly to the outside, theres a little hallway area back there. I didn’t look into this too much, but I remember hearing more then once that that door doesn’t lead directly to the outside. If that door does lead directly outside, there are quite a few witnesses that are wrong about that.

        • It is also interesting how this employee who works 1 day a week tried to run into the projection booth for theater 9 but couldn’t remember the code. So I assume it was easier to run up to theater 9′s projection booth instead of running directly to the lobby.

          I am still really confused about the layout of the theater. From the employee video it sounds like 2 doors exit outside and 2 exits are upstairs which I assume lead to the Lobby.

          When she makes it to the Lobby she can’t be believe how empty it is, no staff at the concessions no one from the other theaters running out. I think the shooter was able to get quite a few shots off and a decent amount of time elapsed before anyone in theater 8 realized what was going on combined with the fact that someone was telling people in theater 8 not to go in the Lobby because the “shooter was out there”.

          It sounds like she had a pretty safe path from this projection booth to the lobby then to the parking lot and then to her friends house where she later calls her manager who tells her to come to the school to give her statements to police.

          There is no way there wasn’t some sort of police presence at the biggest premiere ever, even if it was on a Thursday night. I have heard multiple reports of a police presence before the movie started.

          Is anyone able to get blue prints for the theater or locate the second outside exit for theater 9?

          If you have cops arriving to the scene at such a remarkable time frame wouldn’t one of your first orders of business be to seal the parking lot and not let anyone out.

          And why did it take so long (time frame I can’t nail down but sound like almost 30mins) for EMT to arrive?

      • Go to the page “what does the gas mask tell us” and find Amanda! She said she worked there for 3 years and helps describe exits and discusses fake security cameras.

  68. I don’t know what to make of this video. I do feel Oates is a CIA asset. So those who carried out the shooting made themselves out to be police before (and after possibly)?

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=4431552395988

    This witness does make mention of how incredibly unusual it was for police to not be on scene at a big premiere like this. But she doesn’t mention seeing them beforehand either. What does this all mean?

    • “There easily could’ve been 3 or 4 shooters… multiple calibers were going off”

      “There was an Aurora police officer circling the parking lot. There was a heavy security presence there, rent-a-cops”.

  69. This really deserves a re-post if nothing else watch it from the 12min mark though the whole video is pretty good but roughly at the 12min mark it gets really good I would love to see the end of this. She is saying at least 3 shooters.

    • The guy is basically impossible to understand. What does he say at the end… “Definitely waiting for…”? I don’t know, but she said he had 2 people standing on each side of him. It’s unfortunate that so few people saw the shooters at ALL. I’m sure that’s what the real perpetrators were counting on.

    • I agree that this deserves much attention. This woman says she saw two people with the gunman–one on each side of him, and that they could have been hiding behind the screen. Earlier in her report, she claims that she could just make out the gunman by the light of the exit sign. So, if there were two others, this would corroborate the one or two other witness accounts that we’ve heard so far concerning multiple actors and/or smoke bombs coming from different directions.

      This is HUGE and plainly stated: there was one person standing on each side of the gunman.

      I’m actually a bit afraid for this witness right now.

      This is a bit unrelated, but while listening to this witness, who was an off-duty employee of the theater, I wondered whether the perpetrators/accomplices could have been people who work or previously worked at the theater, too. Why choose a crowded theater of Batman fans unless it were easy and convenient because of your familiarity with the facility? Also, if you were an employee there, you would know that police security only works on weekends and that you would have extra time to shoot. On the other hand, if you were a disgruntled homicidal college student, it makes sense that you also would likely attack a target you are most familiar with, such as a school cafeteria, lecture auditorium, sporting event, etc.–not a dark theater with no connection to the source of your ire.

      • “They definitely threw smoke bombs and they threw one other thing… Either they were hiding behind the screen, which there is at least(video stops).

        I wonder if they tossed out two smoke bombs then a can of OS (pepper spray, perhaps light strength).

        Why can’t the video be used as evidence in a court of law?

        Can we e-mail this to Holmes’ attorneys or parents or uncle, I mean does anyone connected to this gifted 24 year old give a shit about him or the fact that something really horrible is being covered up and at the best overlooked and ignored.

        • I know. I mean, if this were my loved one or my client, I’d be all over these blogs and websites looking for something, anything that might help this case.

          Right now, we, the concerned citizens, are the experts in this case. The attorneys should conduct a focus group with all of us online to review the key evidence in support of the defense and the holes in this case that implicate either accomplices, the drugging of Holmes, and/or his limited involvement the night of the shooting.

          I fear that Holmes may be so unwell or suffer from some kind of permanent incapacity from being drugged that he could believe he was the shooter that night even if he wasn’t. If the rumors of his amnesia are true, he may have all memory of the shooting wiped from his mind. I think the defense should work with the facts of this case and not rely solely on whatever Holmes may say happened.

    • So she never lets her friend in the green batman shirt talk, I would love to see an interview with that guy.

      Please someone tell me what he says at 11:02 about the late arriving ambulances. She talks over him and I can’t make out his sentence.

  70. We do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

  71. Just wondering… they are saying he bought 2 of the guns the same day as he performed poorly on the oral exam. I take that as meaning he bought at a store, not online. the Bass Fishing store? (who gave very little information about what he bought there)

    Since it has been shown there is another James Holmes who lives in Aurora…. older white man, the one seeing hookers, with interest in guns, and other odd similarities — and granted it would be too big of a coincidence if true — but could it have been that guy who bought guns?

    How far did they go to confirm who bought them? I’m not familiar with the gun buying process, but what do they do? See if you vaguely resemble your ID? (Then could be anyone with his ID) Run your ID for priors?? Fingerprint you?

    And that still gives him a month to learn how to use them. And use them well. Still no reports of him learning this skill. Oh yeah, and learn to booby trap his apartment………busy busy he must have been.

    • Exactly. The information we have been fed is that Holmes began stockpiling weapons and ammo during the two months leading up to the attack. (One local pawnshop owner claims he saw Holmes, complete with pink hair and earrings, looking at guns in late summer 2011, but I dismiss this as a complete fabrication. Holmes has no earring holes, surely did not have pink hair at the start of his PhD program, and he would have only moved to CO in August to begin the program. I doubt he’d start buying guns at the outset, unless it were for personal protection in his shady neighborhood.)

      One professor indicated that Holmes had done really well at least through the midterm of the spring semester, at which time he submitted a truly exceptional report/paper of some sort. So, if we are to believe that something bad happened toward the end of the spring semester that triggered the stockpiling of weapons and ammo, we must also believe that this is when Holmes somehow found a place to practice shooting weapons; became comfortable doing so in full body armor; learned to operate while wearing a gas mask and goggles; stockpiled tons of plastic jugs and containers for the apartment explosives; learned to make sophisticated bombs; and learned to make grenades (and no doubt tested them somewhere in CO to ensure efficacy)–all within a span of two months. All the while, he continued to maintain his daily routine; went out to the bar on occasion; updated his music playlist almost daily, listening to 60s hits by Al Greene; played video games; posted personal ads indicating he wants to have kids someday; looked for a new apartment to rent nearby, etc. Hilarious!

      • Here’s something else: Holmes’ neighbors report rarely seeing him, and almost never speaking with him even when they did see him. If we are to believe that Holmes did all of the above, then we are also to believe that none of the neighbors noticed him hauling 90+ boxes, long guns, plastic jugs, jars, flammable liquids, etc. up three flights of stairs to his apartment building, and that they didn’t hear/notice any activity inside once he hauled all that crap up there.

        Having lived in numerous apartments myself, I can recall times when I heard my next door neighbors peeing in their bathroom, coughing, speaking at normal volumes, etc., though the very flimsy walls that separated our units. How come no one heard/saw anything unusual happening in Holmes’ apartment in the weeks before the shooting? Was he even living there at the time? Who was the stocky guy seen by a neighbor running with him down a nearby street the night of the shooting? Who was the person who routed a threat through Yeom Lee’s phone?

        If we can answer all of the above questions, I believe we can crack this case.

        • Agreed, on all counts…. but easier said than done, especially when no one else seems to care about investigating further.

          And I just saw the post below…. I remember the Bonnie video and discussion about it here. I didn’t watch it (to be fair), but I dont remember people here coming to same extreme conclusion. Am I missing something??

        • Here’s the video of the neighbor seeing him running with another guy (dont know how to embed) hours before — WITH red hair:

          And Bonnie video solution?

        • That is so true, Polaris….
          I live in an apt…. and even with my doors and windows closed , I can hear people moving around outside… occasional thumping and bumping upstairs and next door…. and people do look out their windows……they surely would have noticed so much activity to haul so many heavy boxes up stairs….. and where are the boxes?

          • One news report I read said some boxes were in the dumpster behind his apartment. While that sounds like a likely story, we’re still talking ninety boxes, right? He is alleged to have commenced his ordering of all this stuff one and a half or two months before the shooting–that’s an awful lot of boxes to throw out in one’s dumpster in such a short period of time without anyone noticing. And again, even if we presume some boxes were thrown away at the lab, he still would have had to carry an inordinate amount of stuff up multiple flights of stairs to his apartment without arousing suspicion. If this were the only flaw with the official story, I might let it go, but given the myriad other problems with the story, it just doesn’t seem likely.

  72. RED ALERT! DOMESTIC TERRORIST SLEEPER CEll IDENTIFIED IN AURORA SHOOTING CELLPHONE VIDEO.

    http://darkknighttruth.wordpress.com

    all police scanner reports describing additional shooters are confirmed with one-hundred percent certainty in the Bonnie Kate Rescue cell video when properly enhanced, inlcuding

    multiple girls wearing blue and white plaid shirts, then camouflaging them later…

    additional shooter in green camouflase

    additional shooter in black camouflage

    there are many accomplices identified. full blog report pending, this one is just the red alters. the nect one will include video, pictorial and research data.

    RED ALERT AMERICA. Contact your local law enforcement. It appears local law enforcement were shot and perhaps killed on July 20.

  73. By the way… I live in Old Bridge, NJ. Just off Route 9. Prayers for my community are appreciated.

    Dark Knight Oracle

  74. The Dark Knight Oracle’s information, if true, fits in with what we’ve all been thinking. I can see why James Holmes is being cooperative — after all, as someone said, jail is a dangerous place. With the judge, police chief, and his defense lawyers all on the same page, and none of them looking for any other shooters, who could fight them? Especially if involuntarily drugged up so much.

    • When is this gonna come out? I really wanna see what your evidence is. These are some pretty big claims, probable cause for arrest, you must have something good.

  75. “Let me tell you why you are here. You have come because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your whole life, felt that something is wrong with the world. You don’t know what, but it’s there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad.”
    “The Matrix?”
    “Do you want to know what it is? The Matrix is everywhere, it’s all around us, here even in this room. You can see it out your window or on your television. You feel it when you go to work, or go to church, or pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over you eyes to blind you from the truth.”
    “What truth?”
    “That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else, you were born into bondage, kept inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch. A prison for your mind.

    • Careful now with this Matrix thing… If the next shooter calls himself Morpheus, we are all screwed here…(;-))

      • Lol. Yes. Edmund Burke, then.
        ‘An event has happened, upon which it is difficult to speak and impossible to be silent’ 1789
        Another reason to be careful with the Matrix thing is that there’s a huge bait and switch hook in it and it’s all downhill from there.

  76. Yes… Many of us misinterpreted the red pill/blue pill a choice between ignorant slavery and freedom of knowledge…. But, in reality, the message was clear:

    Blue keeps you in perpetual slavery…

    Red means you will be hunted down and killed at any cost!!! But don’t worry… You’ll be ok if you are “the one”… Give it a go… Maybe you are…

    And, as I claim Jimi Hendrix would have said if he were alive, “Purple ones are the best… With a tequila chaser”

  77. This needs way more attention, shout out to polaris,

    http://www.minnpost.com/global-post/2012/07/batman-premiere-shooting-colorado-eyewitness-account

    She described seeing a cop “who’d been shot through the chest. He looked terrified.” “If the gunmen are going to kill cops, there’s no way they’re going to be stopped,” she recalled thinking. She didn’t know at the time that a lone gunman was to blame.
    She said that the cop was still alive when they left, but based on where he was shot, “I doubt that he would make it. There was just so much blood.”

    Is this legit? This seems to be an epic story if true.

    • IMPORTANT UPDATE!!! Here’s the woman (TheCrimsonReign) cited in the article above: /watch?v=A_ucN7xKuvs&feature=plcp

      Her husband is Youtuber ReignofCrimson, whose video was previously posted here and whom I mention in my vid. posted above.

      You can see in the comments to this woman’s video the following statement, made three weeks ago:

      “. . . I didn’t help a cop. There was some one [sic] in a costume, that myself and several other people had mistaken to be an officer, but I had only seen him in the back of a squad car. I don’t know who reported that, but when I saw that person my husband and I decided to leave so I had no contact with that person.”

      I wonder how she later found out that this was a guy in a costume? Who told her that??? Did the police tell her that??? If she had no contact with that person, then the police/investigators must have gotten back to this woman and told her it wasn’t a cop but someone in a costume.

      This means that either an officer WAS shot and someone is covering it up OR that a moviegoer dressed up in a police officer costume for the Dark Knight premiere for some weird reason OR that someone had impersonated a police officer and that this is being covered up. If it were merely a moviegoer dressed in a costume, why in the world would they dress up like a cop for a Batman movie??? Is there some sort of comic book character in the Batman series who is a cop? This just doesn’t make any sense at all. Could someone familiar with the Batman comic/movie series please weigh in on this?

      • Polaris…….someone got to her and her husband so she is recanting her story…..which leads me to believe the original story about the the cop was true……The first time she told her story was very compelling.

        • I agree. The first impression is almost always more reliable when it comes to witness accounts, and it seems like someone has planted doubts in the minds of certain witnesses about what they actually saw.

          Most of the victims and witnesses are relatively young–teens and twenty-somethings. I think it would be easy to distinguish between some young person dressed in a costume and an actual officer. If this person were wounded so badly that he didn’t seem likely to survive, as the woman reports, then what happened to him? Was he one of the two who died at the hospital? Or, was he transported . . . elsewhere? Surely someone at the movies with this guy would step forward and say, “Hey, that was my friend–not a cop. He was dressed up like a cop because _____.” The same for all the other mysterious, unidentified people in the Aurora videos and in verbal witness accounts.

          • If you remember….her first thoughts were” that if they are killing policeman than they will kill anyone.”..or something like that…. thats unmistakeable….

          • I agree with your analysis.

            Perhaps because no cops were reported shot she may just assume she was mistaken and it must have been someone in a convincing cop costume. I highly doubt a fan would show up dressed like a cop that makes no sense.

          • Still can’t tell. Which exit did they come out? Where was this ‘triage area’? Front or back?

  78. I am listening to scanner

    at 1:14 “I am going to be out on foot on the sable side of the theater”

    at 1:46 an officer yells “216,216!” sounds like someone yelling stop in the back ground.

    is this police code 216? or just the officers badge number?

    The police code “216″ is used to indicate an abuse of persons with an impairment of the mind.

    • I didn’t mean for the video to embed was just trying to post the link.

    • Ok. gonna have a go at partial transcript. (A lot of what’s being said I find difficult to hear accurately) Here goes -

      00:04 (dispatch) 315 and 314 … shooting at Century 16 theater

      00:28 (sounds to me like ‘blanket’25) …send me a whole bunch of available cars…

      00:35 (dispatch) copy that. all available units respond to the theater … patch channels…

      00:52 (..?.25) give me cops on the back side of it also…

      01:46 315. 315. (yeah. sounds like a distress call)
      and at 01:49 in background sounds like ‘no wait’

      • Pretty sure the officer is saying “216 , 216″ at the 1:46 mark kate.

        • Its hard to tell if he is saying 216 identifying himself or saying code 216….if it was a code 216…would he say code 216 or just 216

          • You’d think they wouldn’t have codes and officer numbers that were the same, just to prevent confusion. Just my theory.

          • it was 216 because the disbatcher even repeated it back to him.

            • Julie…..are they referring to him as 216…I noticed that another officer was referred to as 453 …..I thought he might be unit 216……or officer 216….
              Wondering if it was code 216 would they say for example ” I have a code 216 “”
              Does that make sense?

          • It seems the first thing they state is there number when they say anything. The one that said 216 was kinda in a panic on all his calls. I think he was starting to say something stating his # first and just didnt finish that time

          • That officer seems a bit traumatized by what he was seeing . He doesnt seem to be handling it in a calm state at all. I dont think he knew what to say after stating his #

          • I listen to the scanner all the time and have for years. They dont always say code before refering to a certain code. But since all these officers seem to state their # before anything else i would say that was his #

          • I think you are right julie

    • It almost sounds like 10-16 to me.

    • 10-16 would be a domestic disturbance, if they were using the standard code. Maybe it was 216, an officer number. Wonder who officer 216 is?
      This is the radio code thing I found,
      http://www.policecodes.org/police-10-codes

    • This is interesting. There are police 10-codes and hundred codes.

      “While ten-codes were intended to be a terse, concise, and standardized system, the proliferation of different meanings may render them useless in situations where people from different agencies and jurisdictions need to communicate. For that reason their use is expressly forbidden in the nationally-standardized Incident Command System as is the use of other codes.[4]”
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten-code

      And I guess the hundred-codes are based on the penal code for the state.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_code

    • They refer to “the shooting” over and over in the radio, as far as the codes go. I don’t think they use codes anymore. “their use is expressly forbidden in the nationally-standardized Incident Command System as is the use of other codes.[4]”

      Another point on this- That version of the police audio you have posted there is one where they edited out blank space in the radio. The point when you hear someone yell stop in the background is actually at 3:26 into the original police recording. That would be at 12:42am. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdCTSmngbYI

      • Nice Police and Fire Scanner 1:03:38 “A doctor says a bomb went off somewhere so obviously he has good explosives.” WTF?

      • Here is the medical scanner audio by itself.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRKz4_an9e4

        • 4 min mark Holmes is arrested.

          5:46 (Police) “I am with fire now let me know when they can come in”

          6:55 (Medical) “Copy north east corner I have 5 reds and they are bringing additional people to this corner”.

          7:04 (Police) “I am getting conflicting suspect descriptions from witnesses out here”

          7:25 (Police) “I got one ambulance out here where are my ambulances at?”

          7:31 (Police) “She’s got organs that are coming out”

          11:23 (Police) “(?) rescue that the officers will be there for security”

          11:41 (Medical) “Sir I apologize again P.D. is asking for emergent medical behind to the back of the theater they are on scene to provide security”

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRKz4_an9e4

    • he also says around the 6 min mark”" We have got a party in the car shot” Who was shot in the car??? or maybe James was slouched in his car and the officer mistook him for a gunshot wound victim??

      He clearly says we have a party in the car shot…..

      • Most likely, no one was shot “in the car” …… Probably a shooting victim was loaded into a police car, for transport to a hospital, because ambulances were unavailable.

    • Listening to the audio…..I am only at the 23 min mark……The audio recordings I believe give us the most accurate account of what happend that night………

      Around the 22 min mark…..Officer says they have about 20 injured…..which I think is interesting because the final total of injured was reported as 70…..

      Police also states they are taking the victims to the back of the theater and that they have around 10 ( injured ) in back……..just think it is interesting that they apprehended james In the back of the theater…..all sorts of evidence there, guns, masks etc…….

      Also one officer says he has one injured critically and one semi critically……..but not more….

      • What time did they state they were taking victims out back? Holmes was apprehended at 12:45 no? But yes, I find that odd as well. Then again much of this case is odd and very very frustrating.

        • Meesh…..this is the first time I have listened to the whole recording…. I believe he says they are taking them around back somewhere between the 15 and 22 min mark……also between that same time…..There is a policeman reporting something about a cop running up to his car….From now on I am taking notes to refernce the min marks.

          • I havent listened to this particular recording so I’m not sure how that would add up to real life times. That said, regardless of whether they had apprehended Holmes at that point or not, they shouldn’t have had anyone back there with all the evidence. Shoddy police work.

      • Is anyone in to the idea of creating a shared collaborative spreadsheet where we can create an up to the second timeline of these recordings?

        • Lila…thats a great idea…..The Full audio from that eve is really a treasure trove of info…….Ill help although my organizational skills are lacking….

        • Could we possibly split up the times and make a transcript? For example, someone could do the first twenty minutes and so on.

          • I say, let’s give it a bit of time to see how many volunteers we end up with… And then we can divvy it up

            Anyone experienced in setting up a google group? Although, it is not so darn necessary to do that… If everyone can keep theirs locally, we can find a way of merging them when done…

            I am just thinking out loud…. If anyone had any suggestions…

            Also… Disclaimer: My organizational and project management skills leave a lot to be desired…

          • maybe we can split it up into minutes. 12:39, 12:40, 12:41 etc. each minute along the timeline could have its own place for text.

          • I think it would be better if we could all update it in real time. It would be funny if everybody chipped in and we got it all finished up in a day or two

        • yeah, wonder how that could be done. one where people could add in their info at different parts of the timeline. maybe we could use something like this. http://www.timetoast.com/ if we can find something that works on a wordpress blog, maybe Scott will let us put it on his page somewhere

          • We could make separate timelines-one for medical, one for fire, and one for police. Then we could compare each timeline to each other.

          • This timetoast or similar would be great, but I couldn’t manage to see if they can do timelines up to the second… All I see is date based examples.

            Mesh… the comparative timeline of all three… that could be a beauty…

          • Ok well I’m in, whatever you all decide. Off to bed for me!

          • I signed up with timetoast to check it out, and I don’t find it suitable for this to be honest. It has a very cumbersome entry method and the whole thing looks and feels very limting and contrived… More importantly, it does nopt seem to allow comparison of multiple timelines.

            A simple spreadsheet might work much better, with raw, sortable data that can be sorted and organized and formatted for any purpose, including WordPress…

            But, when it comes to sharing, I don’t have any experience in setting it up, and don’t know if it requires the group members (us) to exchange any private info., etc.

            In the meantime, those of you reading this post, please let us know if you’d like to participate.

          • Here’s another Timeline system……

            http://www.simile-widgets.org/timeline/

            http—code.google.com/p/simile-widgets/wiki/Timeline

            http—en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMILE

          • There was a timeline done on Reddit.. anyone still have that link from the “what does the gas mask” page? I commented “isn’t reddit a new social media”.. that is all I remember. But it was a compiled timeline including tweets, FD scanner, PD scanner and such.

        • Here’s a screenshot of a template I’ve created for a timeline of scanner audio https://twitter.com/FeffTheChef/status/243101209836273664/photo/1/large

          I’ve stacked all the audio’s on top of each other with time going right to left in blocks of 60secs. Each Scanner audio row is divided into two sections rows, one for the transcript, and one for comments.

          Coordinating exact time may be difficult, we may need to agree on one source for the audio, potentially SheilaAliens, or maybe we could have the audio posted to Chris’ YouTube channel (HistoricalRecordsVLT) so we could link there and use the timecode from the video’s to coordinate.

          Start throwing out suggestions or alterations you think would be beneficial.

          • This looks like a great start, feff. Thank you.

            Can anyone help with creating a shareable spreadsheet online?

          • Am I a thread killer?

            Everyone seemed so jacked up to contribute to creating a scanner audio transcript and then I post a template get almost no response. Might just be me and you left, Lilaleo.

            I fear that people are losing steam and dropping off, something the darkside can usually count on.

          • I missed your post Feff. I think you just need to put it in a more popular thread. Seems that the latest posts by Scott have the most posting activity.

          • No worries Meesh, I should be more like Chris & others and just research on my own and post stuff that I’ve compiled.

      • Here is a link to all the fire and police tapes in .mp3 format, in case anyone needs it. I suggest everyone download this stuff if they can. http://sheilaaliens.net/COShootingAudioJul20th2012/

        The host of these files talks about how you can split these files using Audacity here on Youtube: /watch?v=SUGA14dhPb4&feature=plcp

        • What SheilaAliens has here is exactly what I had in mind for creating a directory to organize videos, articles & webpages. However, Chris’s YouTube is already a good archive of Aurora related videos.

          As for the shared spreadsheet and/or creating a transcript, I’m definitely willing to contribute!!!

  79. She also indentifies another officer as 453…so maybe the cop was identifying himself???

  80. I found it hard to find the question and answers with Oates even in my past comments where I know somewhere I did a big section on him.

    Watch at 3:26 when Oates is asked about what kind of gear the arresting officers were wearing when they apprehended James Holmes. Oates seems extremely uncomfortable here.

    “we had a lot of people out last night because it was a Friday night and we have an extra summer initiative underway where we have extra officers on the streets” – Oates

    http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/video?id=8743998

    If the embed doesn’t work I apologize but I put the link at the top.

    If someone has the link of the Oates Q & A where he is asked about the bizarre long time it took EMT to arrive on the scene I would appreciate that.

    • This article seems to paint a pretty good picture I need more time to study it but I will post highlight later.

      http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_21149531/some-most-injured-aurora-massacre-waited-help

    • A few excerpts I thought were interesting.

      When the medical responders announced they had arrived at the back of the theater — 15 minutes and 49 seconds after the call for help from theater 9 — police had already moved nine or 10 patients into the parking lot outside and the child patient apparently remained inside.

      “FYI, right now we’re loading patients into back of PD cars to get them transported,” the first fire department responder to reach the theater said. “Any ambos we could get would be nice.”

      By then, it had been about 24 minutes since the shooting. None of the 25 ambulances that had responded from several area hospitals were available or able to get where they were immediately needed.

      (In Aurora 2010 during a different shooting) – At the time, fire department policy required medical help to wait until they heard the phrase “scene safe” from police.

      But the dispatch recordings indicate there remained an information disconnect between the fire commander on scene outside and police in the theater.

  81. does anybody know what the officer means when he refers to a white tiger bine

  82. Does anyone know the full scope of the gag order?

    It seems to me to cover Police, witnesses, everyone at the school, I would really love to see the official issuance of the gag order.

    Here is one one example:

    Nancy Lewis, executive director of the Colorado Organization for Victim Assistance, said the victims and the agencies involved want the same thing: “They want healing for all the crime victims.”

    She said Sylvester’s gag order prevented her from commenting further.

    Sylvester issued an order on Aug. 16 barring the organization from releasing names and contact information for the victims. The order does not appear to place any other restrictions on the group.

  83. That in and of itself is contradictory that she would say the gag order prevents her from saying anything further, then the reporter says that the only restrictions that appear to be in place are releasing names and contact information.

  84. How could details that provide a better picture of what happened that night hurt James Holmes?

    “During the initial hearing the judge issued a strict gag order blocking the public release of substantial information about the investigation and evidence in the case, details that could provide a better picture of James Holmes and what happened that night.” –

    http://www.ksby.com/news/media-protests-aurora-gag-order/#!prettyPhoto/0/

    • That’s sad if true. I fear he has been permanently damaged through whatever drugs he was given.

      • Polaris……agreed…but sometimes I wonder if this isnt just another story to make him look crazy….

        • I read another story that just said he mumbled to himself a few times. We all do that.

          • If I was in solitary for 6 weeks, with no laptop, no music, nothing to do, I’d be talking to myself too. Hell, I work from home, and I talk to myself as well as computers acting up now.

  85. I know this is an old video but I haven’t seen it in quite a while.

    He is saying it was so smokey in theater 8 he couldn’t breath it was very thick smoke. How does that much smoke in get in 8, I don’t think vents and bullet holes would transfer it that effectively that fast.

    Says the shooter was wearing goggles.

    He was holding a shotgun.

    Shooter was slowly walking up the stairs and firing.

    Who is telling theater 8 not to go in the Lobby?

    Did the shooter ever make it to the Lobby, did someone from 8 confuse police on the scene with the shooter? Maybe police told them to stay inside to try to control the situation, dam this case….

    http://www.9news.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=1744019604001

  86. ‎A few interesting videos. Reposting the last one as I think most missed it.

    2:30
    “Everybody believes that Mr. Holmes did not have help, that he acted alone?”

    “That was the scary part for a lot of folks because there were rumors at one point that there was another person involved”

    …3:10
    “Everybody thought that there was more than one person involved”

    Oates asserts early on that there is no evidence of a 2nd shooter, despite eyewitness accounts to the contrary (not to mention duplicate gas masks, armor, etc).

    Did the shooters go to the theater disguised as rent-a-cops?

    “There easily could’ve been 3 or 4 shooters… multiple calibers were going off”

    “There was an Aurora police officer circling the parking lot. There was a heavy security presence there, rent-a-cops”.

    • Sorry, first video was wrong link:

    • Annoying. If this doesn’t work search for this video:

      Kevin Torres / MSNBC / Aurora Theater Live Shot

      • Very nice the end is amazing:

        Sounds like the entire scene in the parking lot was chaos very easy for any accomplices to escape in many different ways.

        2:26 MSNBC Every eye witness you’ve talked to everybody believes that Mr.Holmes did not have help, that he acted alone? (It’s funny because he asks the question in a tone expecting an affirmative answer to the question.)

        Kevin Torres (newscaster) : …now police are saying that it appears that only one person was involved in this but clearly in the middle of the night talking to these witnesses EVERYBODY thought that there was more than one person involved.

  87. Let’s think about this: The police restore peace and collect evidence. When the police chief says there was only one gunman and we will convict him, what happens to contrary evidence. If there was more than one person involved, and they all got away except James Holmes, how was it he didn’t get away? They must have planned it that way.

    • That is a good point for all the people who think James did it, but with help, to think about.

      This is just too ridiculous with the Oate’s idiotic lone gunman theory. How is EVERYBODY there that night saying they felt like their was another person involved not evidence? What about the calls reporting the men in black fatigues with backpacks running towards Alameda Ave not evidence? What about all the conflicting reports from the witnesses? You hear the officer say it plain as day on the radio. “Suspects saying he’s the only one, but we are getting conflicting reports from the witnesses.”

      Btw that is another point. Is that not a confession, saying “I’m the only one.”? If that really happened like that, why isn’t the prosecution claiming they already have a confession? Is this the statement that is allowing the press to report on Holme’s guilt?

      • I think they just asked him if he was there with anyone else, and he said he was alone. I’ll have to find the video again, but the video where they mention the knife, an officer says that he’s willing to talk about anything inconsequential like the weather, but otherwise he won’t give them any information. He never confessed to anything.

  88. I posted this just now in the wrong thread here at willyloman… So, I’d like to see what you guys think about this:

    Not only I find it not so believable that they would not have security cameras in the parking lot, but, at this day and age, it seems not-so-believable that a corporation with so many liabilities would put 400 people in a room and not monitor them with a camera, or not monitor the hallways and concession stand area, etc. Has anyone heard of cameras INSIDE the theaters?

    Here’s a couple of quick answers off the net:

    http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090712175635AAl9pZV

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090809235142AAmJwbM


    • Mentions surveillance in movie theaters

      • At about 47 seconds you can see what look to be security cameras over the emergency exits shown. When I looked at the theater it just looked like there were lights over the doors, though. The cameras willyloman showed from Google Street View also don’t seem to be on the theater. I have a bad feeling that there won’t be any video footage at the trial.

      • I have tried to reply 4 times now, but my posts are not registering for some reason… Just trying a quick one to see if it’s going to work this time

        • That reply worked, I’d be interested in hearing what you wanted to say.

          • Thx for asking kiwasabi… My reply was a rant about security cameras and footage…. I tried quite a few times after that little post worked, to no avail…

            Perhaps it was the length… Although it was not a particularly lengthy reply… Trying this now to see if it might have been a length issue…

          • I am confused… Still not working… Maybe it’s not liking my rant about how many security cameras there must have been in the cinema, and how 90% of our questions can be answered by footage from these cameras, as well as the police dashcams…

          • The few first hand comments I had found online made by actual movie theater managers claim that every theater is equipped with a light sensitive camera hidden above the screen to monitor the audience for lude behavior, criminal activity, as well as keeping an eye on bootleg recording of movies off the screen during “especially new and popular movies”…. I can’t imagine such a system not being used for the premiere of a mega production like batman.

          • So, even if this megaplex had a fraction of the security cameras that I imagine they had, theoretically, we should be able to see James purchasing (or picking up) ticket, entering building, entering theater, taking his seat along with some 400 people, where he and everyone else was seated, whether or not the goatee wearing character who took a call existed or not, whether the witnesses we have heard were actually seated where they claim they were, the shooter walking up and down the aisle, who was shot when and where, exactly what time the shooting started and how long it lasted, how the shooter exited the theater, etc. etc..

          • So, in essence, almost all of the questions being raised here do have their answers within the theater’s security camera footage, and, as it s stated here, within the recordings of the dashcams of the police cars.

            Considering how the most ridiculous explanations of the past for not having any footage of important incidents have been left unchallenged by the public or the trial, I am not very hopeful that any of them will materialize in this trial…. At least not until, after 11 long years, we are shown the video of that plane crashing in to The Pentagon …

          • I am still curious as to ow they will ultimately explain away the absence of any kind of footage from that night…

            I also have a hypothetical question:

            If, indeed, no footage materializes, what kind of legal avenues would be open to the public (victims, their families, us, etc) for demanding to see them??? Would a thousand signature petition do the job? Or a hundred thousand? A million people???? Can the victims and their families, or anyone else sue the theater to obtain them?

          • I believe there was an FOIA request made to the FBI regarding the security camera footage of the Pentagon incident. The FBI simply said, “we can’t find it”.

            Considering they’re saying that the security cameras were “turned off” for the Sikh Temple shooting, I’m guessing they’ll say something similar. There won’t be any, “the footage exists, but can’t be shown” garbage. Just simply, “There is no footage”. Just remember that Oates dodged the question regarding if there were any security cameras TWICE.

        • I made this reply about camera’s and theater layout earlier while trying to catch up. On the thread under “what does the gas mask” at about August 1st a woman who once worked at the theater gave some statements about the camera’s.

          Just go to that page hit Ctl F for find and type in Amanda. She posts a link to a pic of theater 9 and makes claim of that many of the security camera’s were fake.

  89. The Matrix quotes are silly, but there’s a sort of analogy. James has no freedom, we know nothing of his thoughts, mental condition, etc. I can’t logically explain why it’s not impossible, but I believe we can bring him back…

    Morpheus “This is similar to the programmed reality of the matrix. It has the same basic rules. Rules like gravity. What you must learn is that these rules are no different than the rules of a computer system. Some of them can be bent. Others can be broken.”
    —-Later, after Morpheus is captured —-
    Neo “Trinity. I’m going in. I can’t logically explain why it’s not impossible. I believe I can bring him back.”
    Tank “Neo, this is loco. They’ve got Morpheus in a military controlled building. Even if you somehow got inside, those are agents holding him. Three of them!
    Trinity “No one has ever done anything like this.”
    Neo “That’s why it’s going to work.”

  90. A commentator pointed out weeks ago that the story President Obama told about the neck wound of the young lady he was visiting in the hospital, accounting for the massive blood spots behind the theater could not logically be possible: if it was from a gunshot inside the theater why was the apparent movement toward the theater, from a spot where a knife / gas mask were lying, and if she had lost that much blood, why did the wound look so minor? etc, etc. We’re always “preaching to the choir”, but if the questions about that story could be publicized, maybe more people would begin thinking about the other inconsistencies.

  91. Oh, and I remember being surprised by Jennifer Gallagher’s statement “I saw everything”. She was standing beside Obama in his photo with the hospital staff. She died August 6/7, so I guess we’ll never know what she meant by “seeing everything”.

  92. Strapped in a wheelchair???????

    http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/07/23/072312-news-colorado-shooting-1-4/

    “A relative of an inmate at the jail to which Holmes was taken told the New York Daily News he was restrained in a wheelchair when he was first brought in.”

    Bear in mind, the NY Daily News source, a “relative of an inmate at the jail,” also apparently said that Holmes was brought in in full gear and had red paint on his body that was showered off–at least part of that is doubtful, given that the gear is on the ground near Holmes’ car. This needs to be taken with more than a few grains of salt. Still . . . the wheelchair bit makes perfect sense. If true, it would also perhaps explain the purpose of the spineboard under Holmes’ car, and it would further support the theory that he couldn’t possibly have committed the crime–bursting into the theater like the terminator–because of the stupor he was in.

    • It needs to be confirmed whether or not he was brought in wearing the armor. If he was, then that would make the armor behind theater 9 duplicate.

      Interesting bit regarding the wheelchair. Oates actually said he was found outside the car, which seems to be a lie.

  93. So here is my theory I just came up with about what happened. Holmes was befriended by some people in Aurora. Who these people are, I don’t know. He’s mentally ill so they probably easily manipulated him and took advantage of him. Told him to buy the guns, use his apartment for the booby traps and since he’s so mentally ill/whacked out on drugs, he just went a long with it. They went inside, did the shooting and escaped before cops came, which is why witnesses saw more than one shooter. Holmes was supposed to drive the getaway vehicle, but instead he became the fall guy. Hence, the reason his attorneys are calling him mentally ill. Hence the reason they are concerned about the notebook-they may not be planning to plea insanity. They may be planning to plea innocence, so they need the notebook because if they pled insanity, it wouldn’t matter if they had the notebook. Hence the reason Holmes is smart enough to not talk-he didn’t do it. He also told his defense about the notebook, because the defense called Fenton about it-so why would he care about the notebook if he was demonic/completely bat sh*t crazy. Hence, also the reason why someone called James Holmes phone threatening violence if he wasn’t released (the people who did the shooting). Who the f would know his phone number anyways if they weren’t an acquaintance? Hence, also the person that was seen by the mexican girl with james holmes the day of the shooting. That person was one of the shooters. Okay, I’m done, lol.

    • Hoping my ramblings are making sense(-;

      • Btw, someone called police from Yeom Lee’s phone # to threaten violence if Holmes wasn’t released. I know what you mean though. It had to be someone who knew that both of them were in the same PhD program. Maybe it was also someone who wanted to distract police by creating a brief manhunt for Lee. Perhaps initially the individual feared that too many moviegoers had seen at least two people, so they quickly devised a way to throw the police off their scent by spoofing Lee’s phone. They may have known that Lee was a friend of Holmes, perhaps.

        • Wow, I never thought of that. Good point. It was probably a distraction so the real shooter could get away.

          • Ok devils advocate here. I don’t have a really technologically advanced phone, but could James have set up his phone to send the message later through Lee’s phone?

          • I’m sure it’s possible.

          • There are several apps you can get for your phone to make it look like you are calling/ texting from another phone. So it really isnt hard to do, but I would assume police could reverse it to determine where it truly originated (if they cared to)

            At the same time, seems like Lee has all but disappeared (all his online profiles are gone), and someone said his girlfriend was seen leaving their house the evening of the shooting dressed in a construction workers uniform. Weird? Considering construction workers behind the theatre… Yes.

      • Polaris and Meesh…..good theories !! Sometimes I wonder if James was identified by the agency back when he was 18 doing powerpoint presentations on Temporal Illusions…….I dont buy the mentally ill aspect of the story as his ” mental health” seemed to deteriorate just in the last month or two before the shooting. and seemed to not have a history of mental illness…….
        What I find interesting is that we know so little about him from the time he was 18 until July 20th 2012 which would been a span of over 6 years,,,,,,what did or what was he doing during that time???if he spent 4 years doing undergrad somewhere then why no former classmates roommates, neighbors, ex employers, ex professors etc etc.???
        I believe he was selected as the Patsy because of his background in neuroscience,,,,,,so the masses will believe he was crazy or into some crazy mind sh%^ . and its easy to digest and accept for the masses
        I also believe he was drugged possibly unknowingly by people he knew well or possibly even worked and studied with….
        I dont believe he fired a gun that eve…there are tests that can determine if you fired a gun and there was never any mention of that and I believe in light of the flimsy evidence that is thrown at us……this test would be one we would see 24/7 if it came back positive.
        No other evidence suggest he was ever even in the theater…..if there was just no person that could identify him as the shooter..that person would be on the news 24/7….
        I think maybe he was just placed at the scene in a drugged state and they keep him drugged…his handlers learning from Lee H. Oswalds” I am just a patsy” moment.

        • Right, as a mental health therapist in training (grad school), it is just very hard for me to believe how he could go from “fine, the same kid I knew in high school”(Richie Duong) in only as far back as December, to completely deteriorating and killing a bunch of people only a few months later. Yes, it could be a psychotic break, but there HAD to be some kind of signs beforehand. Maybe we just haven’t heard them yet, but…..I just don’t understand this case (face/palm)

    • That’s one of the possible stories I’ve considered, too, and perhaps the likeliest one, because it would be the easiest to pull off given the small # of people involved. It seems that the larger the conspiracy, the greater the number of people and variables, and the greater the likelihood of slip-ups by those involved.

      Holmes may have fallen in with a small group of criminals, a bad crowd, knowingly or in his naiveté, perhaps suckered in by a crush on a woman or something. Or maybe motivated by the need to make a few bucks by picking up and storing packages for someone. He would have been easy to manipulate in his vulnerable state if he had a preexisting mental disorder.

      Still, this is one dangerous group, considering the scope of things, the extent of the disinfo campaign and the cold precision of the killer(s). Intelligent, too, but not as infallible as they think.

      • Perhaps Holmes was hired by a University of Colorado “support staff” employee — and he was hired to to pick up and store packages for a “special project”, the true nature of which, Holmes was not privy to…… and “his apartment” was used as a storage space for that secret project…… This could explain why Yeom Lee’s phone number, and connection to Holmes was known to the trouble makers — and how they could access his U of Colorado computer files to know which psychiatrist to sent the fake “confession” notebook to….. Now, a certified private detective (with no connection to the media) could possibly interview Holmes’ classmates, to learn which members of their support staff could fit this profile……

      • Yeah I was thinking of a “bad crowd” too. Aurora sounds like a rough area. Maybe it was a gang or something, they would have the precision and know how of shooting guns. He seemed like he would be the type who wanted to fit in because he was kind of a geek his whole life (though thats only conjecture)

        • Hmm..point of research. Looking at who/what gangs are in the aurora area.

          • The “falling in with a bad crowd” theory is not outside the realm of all possibilities, and it is certainly likelier than the official story. Having said that, I still can’t quite account for the massive disinfo in the press, the mishandling of the case by the authorities, the sealing of the case by the judge, etc., except to write these things off as symptoms of a corruption that is pervasive in all facets of society (but not necessarily indicative of any particular conspiracy).

            Honestly, I could be convinced of just about anything if all the unanswered questions were satisfactorily answered in this case. In order of least plausible to most plausible theory, in my opinion, it goes like this: (1) Holmes did everything by himself and is guilty but severely mentally ill, (2) Holmes was only partly involved, may be or may not be mentally ill, and had co-conspirators, (3) Holmes is an MKUltra-like mind-control victim (4) Holmes naively fell in with a bad local crowd/gang, was drugged, may or may not have been mentally ill, and was used an unwitting accomplice, (4) Holmes was used as a patsy by some covert, organized criminal group that drugged him over a span of time, or (5) Holmes was a patsy chosen for reasons that go far beyond the pale of our imagination by a dark cabal that also has operatives in the press, police, federal agencies, etc.

          • Aurora really isnt such an awful area. Granted I went to college in the middle of South Central Los Angeles, and I live in Denver now, but Aurora isn’t that bad of an area, and not overrun run by gangs. For the most part (at least in my experience), gangs don’t mess with college campus’ or its kids.

          • Polaris, I am with Frederick on this one…

            Not only that, but I will stick my neck out here and say that it can ONLY be number 5.

            What the heck… While i’m at it, I’ll go one step further to say that the actual details of the event, all the forensic evidence, what really happened to James Holmes and all that almost don’t matter.

            The proof is in the pudding… There is simply no single entity, private or government, in this country that can independently orchestrate what is going on in the aftermath of this shooting. Whatever James’ involvement was in the incident, it is quite obvious that the police, the judge, the college, the prosecution, the defense, the news media, witnesses, FBI, anschutz klan, all seem to be rowing in the same direction, with carefully synchronized strokes… This kind of far reaching power and influence can only come from “the matrix” of a shadow government…

          • Oops, I actually don’t think I intended to make #5 as high on the list, although it certainly is likelier than some of the other options.

            Not to wax too “woo-woo”/metaphysical here, but I believe that multiple levels of reality exist and that perhaps multiple scenarios are true, depending on what level of reality you focus on…

          • That’s an interesting twist… I won’t dare say I understand what you mean by “multiple levels of reality”…

            But, the same can be said of an onion… :-) Each layer can have an almost independent existence depending on which layer you focus your observation… But these layers are what makes an onion an onion…

            So, maybe I should call it “Onion 5″ ;-) )

  94. somebody needs to talk to the construction crew that was working right behind the theater. I would think they would have some useful info. on the youtube video of what they had seen they heard the shots and seen people who had been shot coming out the back of the theater. They never mention james holmes coming out and going to his car. they had even stopped working to help victims who were shot.

  95. i havent heard one person say that they even seen him in or outside his car that night and i havent heard anyone say anything about seeing him being taken into custody.actually that bonnie video starts at 12:51am and that cop said they got the suspect in the white car at 12:45am. that video actually goes past his car on the back of the theater for a second and it doesnt show anything that looks like the cops taking him into custody. any time they see guns in a vehicle or think the person might be armed they back up and make the person slowly exit the vehicle while showing their hands at all times. They make them put their hands on their head while walking backwards away from the vehicle. then get on their knees and cross their legs with hands on their head before they will even aproach them. Its a pretty big ordeal when they take an armed suspect into custody.

    • Maybe he wasn’t there, or, as suggested by the spineboard, the smashed passenger side windows, and now the article above indicating he was hauled into jail in a wheelchair, maybe he couldn’t even open the car door to exit it and was forcibly extracted.

      • Your point about him being forcibly extracted makes the most sense….hence the broken window on his car……I have been trying to think under what other circumstance they would go up to the window and break it…..and obiously they would not go up and break it if they were concerned at all for their safety….
        AS Julie states above….there are no witnesses to the arrest, no one saw james being taken down, read his rights or even sitting in the police car afterward……

        • Again, since the beginning, I have been under the impression that Holmes was incapacitated in the car, not responding to the officer who found him (the guy on the radio) and that is why they had to break the window.

          • I have no clue where the police cars are in relation to Holmes car, and back of the theatre (I wouldn’t assume they all ran in on foot?) — but all cop cars have dash cameras, and the one they eventually loaded him into would have. I doubt that footage will ever be seen, but it exists.

          • Exactly D.D. Covers. I’m nearly PTSD ;) from a 10 year marriage to someone in law enforcement (he’s an ex, now) and those dashboard cameras were working. No doubt there. Now, depending upon the type of system being used, they or may not be capable to being erased. I’d have to refresh my memory with some research. I’ve had a lot of discussions with my ex about this through the years. There were a few times that the cameras ‘conveniently’ (use the sarcasm font) didn’t work during some of his most controversial cases but I’ll leave it at that. Depending upon the system, they can be turned off. They can be erased. The system I am familiar with would automatically override and record if the LE was driving in excess of their agency’s chosen speed. I would think that this department would be using a more advanced, digital recording system, as opposed to the old system of using “tapes.” Those tapes were notorious for being able to be tampered with. The digital system provides a way for the “tapes” to be pulled from the database to be reviewed at a central location via computer (we only had one sheriff’s office so it was there). However, whoever is administrator of that database of electronic camera footage also has the ability to manipulate that database.

            I’m not saying that they did or would make this footage disappear. It IS something that can be done, if someone was so inclined and had the correct security credentials on the system.

            I’ve been so tempted to get him to review this case with me and point out the tidbits he sees with the investigation. His view on the things we are looking at would be interesting. He’s a lot like Holmes, actually. Paperwork to prove he’s got the IQ of a genius and a photographic memory, to boot. I may have to take some Pepto and give him a call. lol

        • I wonder if he even was taken by police car. I know it’s unlikely, but maybe he was loaded into an ambulance? Wasn’t there some discussion about his possibly being taken to a hospital before going to jail? If the wheelchair story is correct, it makes me wonder . . . do county jails have wheelchairs on standby for incapacitated suspects?

    • They actually said, “is that the dude IN the white car?” so I think he was unconscious in the car itself when they found him.

      • exactly…. I remember hearing that on the police radio recordings…
        and the doors must have been locked because the police had to break a window to open doors…
        You might be right…. Holmes had to be unconscious or so doped out that the police had no fear of being shot at when they broke out the windows…..
        it is a wonder they didn’t shoot him?

        • Wondering if the officer who asked if he is the guy in the car (is his officer # identified prior to his statement?), the same one as listed as being the arresting officer on his booking sheet?

          And the more I think about it, it seems so bizarre to bring victims to the back, right where they arrested him (and at the same time? It couldnt have been fast to lift dead weight with armor out of his car, get the amour off, and into another car. Plus somewhere along the way they got him into that orange jumpsuit before booking — at 5 AM!!). The front of the theatre is much better lit, and didn’t they set up a triage area to the right?

          There’s so much wrong with this, I cant believe it’s still as-is. But basically zero coverage on TV anymore…. probably less and less, until no one remembers at all….

          • DD…..the police audio seems to one of the best tools to discover what really went on that eve…….I am like you…..why would they move the injured to the back of the theater?? Also in the police recording they mention 10 victims inside the theater as ” black” meaning they are dead…..another police on the radio says ” just leave them “… which I found to be odd……l was thinking was any attempt to revive them performed..??.or maybe it was obvious that they were dead and nothing could be done……but thinking about it …it seems it would take some doing and time to acertain that they were all dead…..checking pulses etc……I dont know…maybe I am looking too far into this….

          • I am sure witnesses are telling cops about the multiple shooters in an attempt to assist police, these people are mad and want to get the people that did this.

            Seems like it took a long time for police to secure the area and rightfully so because there could clearly and so easily be more than one shooter…….. even if as Oates says “the evidence doesn’t show anything to suggest two shooters”……

            I mean the victims dragged to the corner were not going to get ambulance help until the cops assured their safety.

            I just feel like there is more to be discovered in this…

        • Keep in mind these are *emergency* exits, they’re designed to be easily accessible by emergency personnel in these sorts of events. It was much easier to bring some victims out this door than to bring them back through the theater (which still had gas in it), and all the way through the lobby. It isn’t strange at all really.

      • If he really was found INSIDE the car then Oates has already shown he’s willing to lie about it, because he says Holmes was found OUTSIDE his car.

        • I thought the oficial narrative was that Holmes was apprehended inside the theater while trying to blend in and pass as swat officer and it was the quick thinking of one of his officers that they noticed something wrong with the equipment james was wearing and thats what helped save the day….

          • They never said “inside the theater”. Oates has said in press conferences he was found “outside his car”.

          • Oates said James was found outside (not sure about outside of his car or just outside), but he wasn’t there for the arrest; at least I don’t think he was. He’s also been extremely vague about it. You’d think he and his police department would brag about making such a quick arrest, you’d think they’d lay on the heroic details pretty thick, but they haven’t. Probably because they know some people out there will analyze everything they say, and find the holes. Better to say next to nothing to prevent putting his foot in his mouth. Pretty much everything that comes out of that guy’s mouth is rehearsed and attempt to fit “the” story. If we go by what was in the police audio, it sounds like James was INSIDE of his car.

          • Well he did get a round of applause awkwardly at the press conference as if he was some great hero?

  96. LOL. So far, Oates or someone else with knowledge of the apprehension has said:

    1. He was caught trying to “blend” in with the crowd and they spotted something he was wearing that was not standard issue.
    2. That he was caught BY his car (Just standing around contemplating life and stuff.) and surrendered meekly without any resistance.
    3. That he was caught “waiting” for them by his car and surrendered meekly without any resistance.
    4. That he was caught behind the theater, identified by aforesaid nonstandard equipment and surrendered meekly AND was “surprised” to see LE.
    5. That he was in his car.

    I’m sure I’m missing another scenario that has come out of the LE there. Which is odd. I would think of all of the evidence that they have, the place and circumstances surrounding the actual arrest would be the simplest and most accurate. “We found him ______. Arrested him. Transported him to __________.” These are simple facts. Easily documented, detailed and reported.

    • I’m starting to think the “he was trying to blend in” comment was a slight misquote. Oates is quoted as saying “He might’ve” or “He could’ve”, not that “He tried”.

    • The thing is, how can be attempting to “blend in” with anyone if he was near his car? That implies that there were a bunch of people by his car that he was attempting to blend in with.

      I think the fact that there are so few concrete details about his arrest is in itself suspicious as are the changing stories. This leads me to believe that he was INSIDE of his car in who knows what kind of condition.

      • Those quadruple purple doors you see in the back of the theater, one set on each side, are at the end of hallways where theater entrances come off of each side of the hallway. Many of the people coming out of the theaters would have used those exits. Here’s a photo of these hallways so you can picture them. http://www.cinematour.com/picview.php?db=us&id=6290

      • Agreed. And why wouldn’t that information be publicly available on court documents despite the gag order? Its’ not like that would influence the case, because its a concrete situation, unless of course the way he was apprehended could influence the case, i.e. in his car.

  97. Here’s an exact match to the century 16 theater. This one is in Salt Lake City. I would really love to know what the exact layout of theater 9 was. If it had a front emergency exit as they claim, and whether that exit is shared with theater 10. Is anyone out there from SLC? http://www.cinematour.com/tour/us/2885.html

  98. This is interesting…a mall that just put $60 million into renovations after a murder in 2005 and gang activity, has no cameras in their parking lot. Or in their theater. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/28/aurora-mall-colorado-shooting_n_1689145.html

    • What do you mean “has no cameras”? It doesn’t mention security cameras in that article. I’m sure the theater was equipped with the normal number of security cameras for theaters.

  99. What are we supposed to make of the witnesses that said the door was kicked in? Is this a credible statement at all?

    • They didn’t say the door was “kicked in”… The first guy being interviewed (at 0:09) said that he heard the door being “kicked open” — and the second guy (at 0:43) said a young woman told him that the gunman “kicked through the door”.

      Because the door opened outwards, and not inwards, the sound of the door being “kicked” could have occurred when the spring-loaded (self-closing) door swung closed on the gas-masked (partially-blinded) gunman who was attempting to fit through the doorway in the darkness, while carrying several guns… Under those circumstances, he probably kicked (noisily) at the door — to keep it sufficiently opened, to get inside without delay, and without dropping any of the guns.

  100. And I’m not getting why, if there really was an emergency exit leading to the outside at the front left of theater 9, why didn’t Jennifer Seeger run out that way?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdax01TuKQ0

    • How is she so able to tell where the shooter is, “he left before I got out”……..wtf

      Was there a time in theater when everyone realized the shooter had gone to his car to get a pack of gum? He didn’t need more weapons/ammo in the car he was packed to the teeth right?

      • “Me and him were probably one the last people out” ” Her and the shooter?

        “It was literally me(Jenn Seeger) and him(the shooter?), because we were at the front of the theater”.

        —-wtf is going on here….epic find chris…

  101. I’m really starting to wonder if what all the (credible) witnesses mean when they said he came in through the exit, maybe they really saw him come in through the entrance, from the lobby, on the right side hallway into theater 9. Why fake witnesses? This would explain the rationale for having the fake witnesses in the mix.

  102. I am having a hard time wrapping my mind around this. Is she saying her and the shooter were the last two out or is she talking about Corbin?

    • Shes saying her and Corbin were the last ones out because they were in the front and were the last to get to the exit I guess. Makes you really wonder why she didn’t just go out the exit in the very front of the theater right by her, since she says here that she doesn’t know which way the shooter went out anyway, so you can’t say you didn’t want to go out the exit he just went out. I want proof that there was an emergency exit in the front of theater 9. I have reason to believe that exit doesn’t exist.

      • I think the shooter came in through the regular entrance and went out that way. There possibly is a walkway in the front of the theater on the right, but I think if there is one, it is an employee behind the scenes area. I dont see an exit sign on the wall where the opening could possibly be. Too bad this is the best picture we have of that area of theater 9. http://www.cinematour.com/picview.php?db=us&id=25860

        • This is a reply to an earlier thread you had. About the layout of theater 9 and security cameras. Go to the “what does the gas mask” page and do an Ctl F for ‘find’ type in Amanda. She shares some info and a link of a pic of theater 9.

          • Chris……I know where you are going with this but it seems to me there has to be some fire code that mandates the theater Must have emergency exits…however I am starting to believe that something went down in the lobby as several people have stated that the shooting was ” behind them “.

            My opinion is the same for the security cameras……I dont think they would install fake security cameras??? Cant Imagine a place like a theater not having them….expecially with over 400 capacity seating just in one theater…

            Whats hard how about dynamic duo of Corbin Dates and Jennifer Seeger is that she seems so fake….she contradicts herself. her speech pattern is off etc…….and Corbin seems compelling and real….

        • http://amandakrause.fsimbs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Screen-Shot-2012-07-21-at-12.29.39-PM.png

          Exit is at the back. The problem with the lack of the door in the front side of the room is that’s the side where Jennifer claims she saw the shooter come in from. It’s also where Corbin said a man took a phone call, and propped the door open. When I’ve listened to Jennifer, it’s always sounded to me like she’s claimed the shooter came in through a door on the right side. I am not seeing a door.

          We just need a clear photo of the front of theatre 9.

        • Aren’t these pictures from 9 years ago?

          • @ Fredrick Yes each theater had to have emergency exits. The theaters that don’t have doors to the outside, have access along the top back wall of the room that leads out to that upper walkway that comes down in the lobby

          • Well even if they were from 9 years ago, doors don’t really change. Decor might, but doors, I don’t know.

  103. The timeline done on reddit..