I haven’t seen all of this yet so I can’t endorse it until I do. Perhaps some of you have seen it and can comment on the film. It came out late last week.
UPDATE 6: Ahh, then the film delves into the magic pixie dust drug and shows clips from that video that is making the rounds out there. Let me ask you guys a question…. when the trashy drug dealer finally delivers the drug to the film makers after feeding them a bunch of bullshit about it’s effects for 30 minutes or so, he comes back to the car whacked to the gills on something. According to the film, the drug makes you susceptible to whatever someone tells you, not whacked out high jumping around inside the car. The drug dealer is obviously high on meth or Special K or something like that. The guy was running a scam on them, it’s obvious. Telling them what they wanted to hear in order to take their money and score some drugs for himself. Remember the woman at dinner telling the story of her cabbie uncle getting dosed on the drug? What did she end up saying about it? Nothing. Each story about someone being duped into giving away their shit or stealing from their loved ones while under it’s influence can be explained simply by remembering that is typical behavior of someone whacked out on something like heroin or crack and being manipulated by the people that got them high. They just don’t want to admit it. If the drugged out dealer really could get his hands on a drug like that, why do you think he’s dressed like a homeless man? Wouldn’t he just get the drug, give it to unsuspecting tourists, and take all their money? Think about it folks.
Upon further review, the film does cover some good aspects of the case such as the extra gas mask and the witness statements and the discrepancy between the truth about Holmes’ past and what is presented by the media (and exposing the fact that the police chief didn’t address the questions about the security camera). But in the end, I can’t endorse the angle that some kind of MK Ultra drug/programing was used on Holmes. That evidence just doesn’t add up.
UPDATE 5: As pointed out in this video, the entire story of Holmes’ withdrawing from the university comes from a claim that on June 10th 2012 James sent them an EMAIL. An “email”? Anyone can send an email from someone’s home office or even hack into their account and send it. Less than 10 days prior to the attack they get an email from Holmes withdrawing from the school?
UPDATE 4: Then the maker of the video claims was an assault rifle found inside the theater as well as the one outside based on a communication from an officer in the theater. What the officer said was there were magazines from an assault rifle found in the theater “so everyone be careful” because it’s an assault rifle.
UPDATE 3: The maker of the video superimposed “Holmes received $21,000 in June of 2011″ over a video of a Fox News reporter asking the legitimate question of how Holmes could afford all that equipment and the film maker’s implication, once again, is that the government PAID Holmes to do it and thus, he’s in on it.
It was a stipend to attend school paid in installments through out the year and it started a year prior to this attack, it’s what he lived on all year long. So he didn’t have a big bundle of cash sitting around to pay for the equipment.
UPDATE 2: Listen carefully to the purported audio recording of the police scanner at 6:12 or so in the video. The caption in the video states that Holmes “waited” for the police to arrive on the scene as if he was simply standing around outside the car waiting to be arrested (or shot if he was still holding the guns, that’s what would have happened)
But the recording they play leaves out one or two crucial communications between the police. One of the officers apparently asks “Is that the dude IN the white car?” after the first officer calls for a marked car to go to the back of the theater Sable side to respond to a reported guy in a gas mask. Go here to listen to the entire recording.
cop 1 – “I need a marked car behind the theater, Sable side, suspect in a gas mask”
dispatch – “we need cars south side. suspect in a gas mask”
cop 2 – “Is that the dude in the white car nearby?“
cop 3 – “everyone hold the air one second, cars where that white car in the rear of the lot, is that a suspect?”
cop 2 – “YES! we’ve got rifles, gas masks, He’s detained right now, I’ve got a open door going into the theater
cop 1 – “OK hold that position, hold that suspect!”
That’s a big difference especially considering all the various evidence that Holmes was drugged when found in the car possibly to the point where he couldn’t walk.
Why would the maker of this video alter the recording or leave that out?
UPDATE: uhhh, apparently this video spends a lot of time suggesting MK Ultra and mind control programs which is just another way of saying Holmes did it. The evidence does not show that Holmes was an active shooter in this case. It shows that he was drugged and left in the car to be the patsy.
All the research that I have done into MK Ultra states that they needed a lot of time with a subject completely isolated from others in order to prep someone for those experiments. It’s a process, not simply blowing some magic pixie dust in their faces like something out of an 80s horror flick. Holmes was in school, apparently had an active social life, these facts do not support the MK Ultra hypothesis. Now, if he had disappeared unexpectedly for a period of time (4-6 months) then it may be possible, but again, that is not the history of this case.
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I totally agree with you. I’ve seen this video, but I can’t accept that he carried this out and has been ‘MK Ultra’d'…the facts don’t support this as you say.
Corbin did not mention that the white man who received a phone call , also had shocking red hair…. he did notice a goatee.
Orange red hair would have certainly been an eye catching item. And if Corbin was close enough to see a goatee, he would have picked up on orange red hair….. the front of the theater seating would have has plenty of light….
You notice – not even the main_stream can really figure out what to do with a blatancy like red hair anymore.
The Joker story of course did hold up – amazingly – despite the fact that every half baked batman aficionado would swear the Joker had green hair.
The Joker Story popped while they faced the nation – it was bunk.
The guy – Holmes – just finished rigging his apartment with explosives – he knows he still has to lift all his tactical gear out the window, since using the front door would blow his plans to pieces.
So Holmes decides to take a breath, he fingers his assault rifle once more – aims – and looses confidence.
¨Why not dye my hair red? Like Cesar Romero – my favorite Joker – and nobody will ever know – after all I will be in full tactical gear, wear my pricey helmet and after chores are done, I will escape the mayham unscathed and in no time…¨
Well, Holmes at some point did have his hair dyed red… and very not long before the shooting. Of course he was to be the Joker/Cesar R. in case he somehow got rid of his gear and per chance started aimlessly wandering among the victimized, then all that was to be done was to find the Cesar among the Ledgers……..
He starred in the Tv series of Batman…. a long time ago…..
and his hair was slightly reddish but not bright orange red like Holmes….but I guess Cesare had his hair done professionally ….and he was a Republican and never married….. from Cuba…
strange that a red-haired Joker was chosen to participant in this horror scene….
“Missing Hardball Video Proves Corbin Dates Did Not ID James Holmes As Man Seen In Theater 9 Prior To Shooting.”
breaking now…
http://darkknighttruth.wordpress.com
While Sirhan Sirhan and the MK-Ultra program are certainly worthwhile and related topics, I agree it was an error to append them to this when there is no evidence that he was being conditioned by anyone.
That said, if he was a patsy, questions remain as to why he was chosen and whether the person(s) who targeted him were influencing his life before the massacre. There are more pressing questions, however, that need to be cleared up (perhaps answers already exist that I’m unaware of).
When found did he appear to be under the influence of drugs to the extent that he has since?
When initially questioned by police, what was the context of his saying ‘he was the only one’? Was he aware he was being asked about the shooting or might it have been a response that he was the only person in the car or that he came there by himself?
What was the specific warning he gave about his apartment? Once again, planning an elaborate, time-consuming, expensive death-trap and then warning police about it moments after he shot women and children in cold blood, makes absolutely no sense. Did he say “he” had set a trap? Is this even corroborated that knowledge of this came from Holmes?
How long did he live at the apartment? If it was only a couple of weeks (as some now claim), how does that connect to reports that his gun purchases were confirmed through rubbish boxes found outside his apartment from the past few months (and is there simply no trash collection in that area?).
What was he wearing when arrested? There’s a reason SWAT teams travel in big vans. Did he hurry in the space of one or two minutes to get back to his car and climb in weaing full tactical gear gasmask and helmet, when if he intending to meekly wait for arrest it would have been more sensible and convenient to kneel or lie down on the ground and wait for police. Or was he sitting in the car but not wearing all the equipment the shooter was described as wearing?
What was in the 90 packages delivered to the University? Given that almost all his ammo would have been in the purported 150lb purchase he picked up himself?
What are the conents of the notebook supposedly containing stick-figure massacres and, if accurate, how was knowledge of the contents obtained?
Oates supposedly announced on the 20th that the guns had been bought legally. This was concurrent with reports that the ATF were in the process of tracing the guns. How and when did they track them?
He didn’t say that he was the only one. What the cops says is the suspect says “it’s only one”…. meaning, he could have been refering to someone else, letting the cops know they were looking for one guy. In that scenario, it makes sense that he would warn the cops about the traps in his home.
The reason he was chosen is simple: look at the school. Look at where this “evidence” is coming from, the psychologist, the reports of him doing poorly on his oral exam, the so-called “stick figure drawing confession”, the purported email claiming he was withdrawing from classes…. where does all that come from? The school.
Where were all the packages supposedly delivered in his name? The school.
The school has direct financial ties to the company that is the direct competition of the theater chain, Century 16 and that theater is now closed and likely will never open again.
The school also has defense department contracts.
why Holmes? Well, if this was a destabilization campaign event, run by a contractor or a defense department group, then they would need someone they could set up easily. They picked a student so they could handle all of the ancillary evidence trails and shape the story of his background as much as they could. Why him in particular? He was first year, probably not that involved in revenue producing research, fit the needed description of a “lone nut gunman” (with a little tweaking).
That’s why him. The school is the answer.
At 12:51 (0051), An officer reports “that [the] suspect [is] saying he’s the only one but I’m getting conflicting descriptions from the witnesses here.”
–is this not accurate Willy?
Maybe the context is off but I am pretty sure that is the exact quote.
This is just the cop paraphrasing whatever James may have said, I think.
Corbin Dates did a full 11 minute video interview with Chris Matthews. There’s much more there besides the 1:15 clip about the goatee. Dates clearly states that Holmes was not the man who opened the door, says nobody there would ever put two and two together.
http://darkknighttruth.wordpress.com
this is the most important quote from that interview in my opinion….
I have often said, something like this would have to have been committed by someone who knew exactly what they were doing. Probably someone who has done it before. At least, someone who has killed before. Holmes does not fit that description and he certainly would not have been so calm and meticulous about it during the attack. The MSM tried to cover that aspect by claiming he took drugs prior to the attack, a story put out by Ray Kelly who also claimed he said he was the Joker, which turned out to be a lie as well.
Whoever did this is extremely dangerous and still at large.
Good find, by the way.
Do you have the full 11min interview?
Maybe we can find that footage here? I am not having much luck so far, can you guys help?
http://www.infopig.com/news/
new Cobin Dates footage
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zIIIo20cUw&w=560&h=315%5D
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zIIIo20cUw&w=560&h=315%5D
apologies… don’t know why I can’t get this to imbed. Please remove excess links, will try one more time.
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zIIIo20cUw&version=3&hl=en_US%5D
Appreciate the work you are doing on this blog.
I will publish a very serious piece of investigative journalism later this week. Something that has not been previously unearthed and it’s kind of staggering. Stay tuned.
http://darkknighttruth.wordpress.com
If anyone can get the new Corbin Dates Hardball footage to imbed, please do.
A staggering new piece of new information? There has been so much info brought out and discussed on these Aurora articles in this blog.. the commentators and Scott have dug up piles of stuff…. avid detectives at work here !!!
if you have something new… and staggering…. please hurry with your posting!!
Was there even a trip wire? Seems more like an IED style with a timer
This guy in this video brings up an interesting theory- that the bomb was rigged to the stereo timer and it failed.
It looks like the bomb was meant to go off right at the time of the shooting as a diversion, so the shooter(s) could escape. It didn’t work. The shooter still got away tho, but just barely. Mistakes were made, clues were left behind.
Amazing… so why use a ladder truck to enter in Holmes apt window when the swat police had already been in through the door?
And a robot?
Yeah, I was wondering how this worked. Yacone says they 1st sent in the robot, then disabled the trip wire across the door. There was most likely never a trip wire. The bomb was supposed to detonate when the music came on. Then the police came up with the trip wire booby trap for police story late that night, and had the tall tale ready for the morning.
Hm, he talks about a neighbor opening the door and then says “or GOD FORBID a first responder” which I take to mean he values the first responder more than any neighbor or random stranger. Why would a neighbor open the door anyway, seriously who goes around opening people’s doors. Even if he did have music blasting, I can’t see a neighbor just opening his door.
I doubt it went down the way they say it did at the apartment.
Several important details in this video here
Why didn’t the police evacuate sooner? They didn’t get people out of the bomb filled apartment building till 2:30am? What time did they get to James Holmes apartment?
And then there’s this, downstairs neighbor never seen him
This one really takes the cake and shows you how strange police are acting near Holmes apartment.
http://youtu.be/WmBUGKYlaU0 forgot to post the link…
Good point in Update 3: about the money Holmes received for school.
Plus that research grant wasn’t enough to cover his living expenses and have enough left for $15k worth of equipment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lYT4q13iGs
exactly
Nurse who treated Aurora victims drowns in Iowa: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57496277/nurse-who-treated-aurora-victims-drowns-in-iowa/
Hi T.,
somewhere on this blog (in the past several days( this news item has been discussed. Your link does give some different info though!
In case you haven’t read the other reports: She went swimming around midnight with a friend at a small lake up in Ohio, Col.. a wooded park area…….
and this woman was on a ‘ladies football’ team! She is bound to have been a decently strong swimmer….
very sad
The interesting thing is that MSM has JUST started covering this story, two weeks after she drowned.
They said his defense team picked up his bed and some clothes after he was officially evicted. Really, a bed and clothes are his only remaining items? What about the neuroscience books seen on his bookshelf in one of the huff post pictures? Seized as evidence? His TV, also seen in one of the photos? Surely he had more items than a bed and clothes. And seriously where is his family?! Why did his defense team have to pick up his crap???
Maybe as evidence that he didn’t live there
Doesn’t seem like anyone in that building even positively ID’d Holmes.
He had only been there about a month (from what I understand), maybe he just came and went infrequently?
I just keep going back to the fact that he had a green plant (that he obviously had been watering), a decorative lamp, and a candle next to the lamp. Doesn’t seem to fit the profile of someone who has given up on life!
interesting-I just cant picture that someone nurturing a plant would be a mass murderer. And I too think hes a patsy-not a MKultra type victim. I always notice new neighbors-I find it a little odd they didn’t see him once.
Pamela, it seems the neighbor did not remember ‘him’ by the description given to her…. maybe they were describing a red-haired young man?
Jan, check your email
OK, willyloman, will do….
How about his real residence was a block away where there was an arson fire…???Buildings looked almost identical….
So much to keep up with, thank goodness for all of the commentors here.
@ around 21:00 on the scanner audio with the Police in right ear & Fire in left ear, both dispatchers are talking at the same time and both sound identical to each other. So one of the following possibilities must be true.
1) I’m mistaken and they are different dispatchers, I would assume you would need different dispatchers for the different emergency departments responding.
2) It is the same dispatcher and the audio’s time is of on one or both and that is how she is able to say two different things at the same time.
3) It was pre-recorded with the same voice used for both dispatchers.
Thoughts?
Local CBS News in Denver just reported “Holmes met with at least 3 different mental health professionals while at school… so he clearly was on their radar as having issues.”
Footage isn’t archived on their website yet, give it a few hours.
I’ve been trying to avoid all news, but it is constant here.
Only new news is to compound that he’s “crazy,” no other questions about all the other problems with this case.
I wonder how they got that info, did the court just release something?
Dont think so…. I’ll check for the archived in a few hours. It will repeat at 10 PM
Couldnt these all just be professors in his field… for study?
don’t believe a thing that comes out of the school. They are helping set this kid up.
I wholeheartedly agree… and wasn’t saying I believed it. I just think sometimes what gets shown on local Denver stations is a bit different from what the rest of the nation sees (and not in a good way)
On a side note, I’m having an increasingly difficult time dealing with this. I try to tune it out (the news, and sometimes even this site) for a day, because it tends to interfere with my concentration. Obviously there is something seriously wrong here, but I cant wrap my head around why anyone/any organization would do this to someone. I know I sound naive, but I dont get what could possibly be so important to do this…. add to that, the fact no MSM questions it, and that I have no idea how to anything about it (I’m one of those people who hates complaining about something, but doing nothing about it)…. and it’s all a bad feeling I cant shake. I dont enjoy it.
Sorry, just venting.
Looks like it takes several hours for them to post the video of their news casts.
I did see a video for the coverage of the nurse who drowned, If anyone is interested:
http://denver.cbslocal.com/video/7631442-denver-woman-who-cared-for-aurora-victims-drowns-in-iowa/
It really bothers me how the MSM JUST started covering her death… and on the same day. Why? Because there were too many people on the internet questioning their not covering it? It happened August 7. WE discovered this story last week, around the 14th, and they are just writing about it? And calling it “news”?? It’s like they were hoping people didn’t hear about it, that the little Irish website’s article would just fade into the sunset, and then they wouldn’t have to cover it.
I am guessing it wasn’t so much about just the type of injuries she saw but the amount of stories and details she heard from so many eyewitnesses.
If I am this nurse and I hear many stories refuting the official story from actually witnesses/victims I am not sure who I would go to first. Perhaps I would go to the police first?
On the other hand if this is true wouldn’t a lot of the staff at the various hospitals have heard similar tails?
Maybe she was one of those people who kept digging?
Not sure what to make of it.
Or of course it is possible it was just coincidence.
DD Covers, I feel the same way. I want to stop thinking about this case because it really occupies my mind way too much, but I can’t stop for some reason. I even have dreams about it. Yet I’m almost positive Holmes is as good as dead, that his brain is permanently damaged and he will never be the same, and that we will never know the truth of what happened, or the why. Yet I just can’t let it go.
Same here D.D. I mean I really don’t get into this conspiracy stuff ever but I seem to be able to spend endless hours on this case.
I am quite lazy so this is very strange for me.
I think the fact that it occurred at the batman premiere initially peaked my interest (I had set up days prior to the release to go with a big group of friends and family and bought tickets for the July 31st IMAX).
Then I saw the drugged up guy on t.v. (Interest super high now because I could not believe the demeanor and lack of speech, I expected him to say something, wasn’t expecting a vegetable.)
Even all MSM news results were about how drugged he looked.
Then I started digging deeper and it just got stranger and stranger.
This website being pretty bad ass is part of the problem it makes me want to keep investigating because of all the interesting things being brought to the table here.
Sure could. If the school isn’t implicit in all of this, they are at least doing their very best to make Holmes seem crazy and villainous, and the threat of lawsuits gives them every motivation to do so. Now I guess they’re trying to spread the blame around amongst three psychologists in their fictitious story so that attention is deflected away from Fenton.
Good find DD Covers….but how could he have changed so drastically while at Col. school? Maybe he did disagree with some policy of the school and they were giving him a hard time? Could he have been meeting with the health professionals for school reasons?
Do all students there have to go through some sort of profiling with the health professionals?
I don’t trust anything put out about this case by MSM. They have twisted everything, I’m sure this is no different.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/ns/msnbc_tv-hardball_with_chris_matthews/#48261893
(Slightly summarized what he said on the fly)
Corbin Dates
“I went to the ground, stayed calm, tried to get the people in front of me to stay calm so the shooter wouldn’t be drawn to us”
Newscaster
“How long did this play out? From the time the canister was thrown, until the time you managed to get out of the theater?”
Corbin Dates
“Possibly 30 minutes, maybe a little more. But the gunshots stopped at maybe 15-20 minutes.”
NO, he said the gun shots started about 15 to 20 after the movie started….
Corbin: “but the GUNSHOTS THEMSELVES probably maybe 15 to 20 mins.
-just skip to the 4:25 mark, it is quite clear what he is saying.
Here is the quotes…
Journalist asks and I quote “How long did all of this play out. Any idea?
Corbin: “the fire trucks alone? I’m sorry?”
MSNBC: “any idea how long, from the time that canister was thrown until the time you managed to get out of the theater? How much time elapsed?”
Corbin: “I would like to say possible 30mins maybe a little more, but the GUNSHOTS THEMSELVES probably maybe 15 to 20 mins.
I think by most accounts of “witnesses,” the shooting did not last long, and nowhere near 15-20 minutes. I think Corbin may have just misspoke…probably meaning that between the guy taking the phone call to the gunshots being fired…was 30 minutes.
I have seen several witnesses corroborate the timeframe of about 90 seconds to two minutes. It probably felt like an eternity, though, and I’m sure the ordeal itself lasted much longer until everyone was safely out of the theater.
Indeed he may have a sh*tty estimate, I am sure it felt a lot longer than it was. Here is how I see the time line I just posted in another thread. I pose a pretty heavy question in it, at least to me, about the failure to have eyes on the back door of theater 9. Seems outrageous.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/08/20/missing-hardball-video-proves-corbin-dates-did-not-id-james-holmes/#comment-42268
He specifically said the gunshots themselves 15 to 20 minutes. Official story is 90 seconds. Maybe someone who saw the movie can figure out how long with previews it took to get to the scene it was at when the shooting took place. Add that time to 12:05am, maybe add another minute or 2 since they don’t start on time. That’ll give you a rough idea what time it all started.
Of course we don’t know when it all actually stopped either.
http://www.youtube.lu/watch?v=Np847XQkGuw&feature=related
In this interview, he says “About 15-20 minutes into the film, the back emergency door swung right open.” Based on the start of the movie which was around 12:05, around 12:20/12:25, probably a bit later if he wasn’t including previews in his time frame, is when the shots would have started. But then he says, the movie played for about 10 minutes while this was happening so that would indicate that the shooting lasted at least 10 minutes.
He has not said the gunshots took 15-20 in other videos, he has however misunderstood the question several times before. But on that note… I was in an odd situation as a driver with a head on collision, both of us creating tire smoke noticing what was about to happen. Even years later I felt that time that I slammed on the brakes to complete stop… felt like 8min. My children in back seats and mom in passenger seat state it was only about 8 seconds. Kid in back seat felt trapped because she had just leaned down to pick something up and could not come back to upright position because of the force of braking.
This is one of my few times in life where it seems life stands still. When you think you may die. Logically if going 50mph and I slam on brakes, it would not take 5min to stop. But sure as hell felt like it, I swerved slightly a couple of times to not make a head on. Those few seconds felt so long and thought out, looking around at other cars to not hit. We ended up only less than 2 feet from each other and I had to pull over as I was shaking all over after the incident.
Here you go… I guess its a nationwide CBS news story (odd thing is the local footage I saw at 5 PM was slightly different)
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57497820/james-holmes-saw-three-mental-health-professionals-before-shooting
Now they are claiming one of the 3 mental health professionals he saw at the school warned the police about him (according to CBS Early show). This news, they say, puts “extra pressure on the school.”
First I’ve heard about police ever hearing about him in advance.
I wonder who is in charge of making this story up as they go?
Chances are the information being “leaked” is false. There’s a supposed gag order on the case, but confidential information about him seeing various doctors is getting out there? Please. Look at what we’ve been told so far (the “notebook,” spitting on guards, calling himself “the joker,” etc.), and how much of it has turned out to be completely inaccurate. There’s a pattern…
Apparently the first one referred him to Fenton, who thought she didn’t have a good repore with him, and referred him to the 3rd one, a male. Police found the male’s phone number in his cell (which cell? The one at home?)
How ineffective are these mental health professionals if he’s seeing them, but meanwhile allegedly making all these elaborate plans and purchases. It is not like they claim he “snapped,” they say he planned for months… but seeing mental health people all that time…. almost like they made it worse or made sure he got framed.
Ugh, done with this.
I don’t rely on google alerts for my news, but use it as a nifty compilation of msm reporting on a certain subject, on which I can keep an eye to observe how the disinformation campaigns and methods as they are carried out.
When there is exceptional harmony in their reporting, it’s usually a clear sign of a specific campaign being launched based on orders from above. Today’s Holmes alert was nine consecutive, almost identical headlines from all of the usual suspects, with a common tag line of “Three mental professionals”, while some embellished like ” not one, but three…”, others worded it as “Holmes sought the help of ….” giving it an extra twist by implying he needed help.
We are being told that the defense might pursue the insanity defense, but with this news campaign, it is clear that the powers want the public to accept the fact that he was indeed insane. If, as most suspect, Holmes was more of a victim than an insane murderer (whether he did any shooting himself or not) than the cover up team would certainly prefer a no trial scenario, since it will avoid the intense public attention and their scrutinizing the official storyline.
Otherwise, the amount of effort they are putting in creating a public opinion about the case would be totally irrational… What the public thinks happened should be absolutely irrelevant in regards to the outcome of a fair trial. If there was no cover up, an experienced mega-chief like Oates and his team, with the help of the best forensic experts of the country, and an honest prosecutor would certainly get to the bottom of this case, because if you accept the official narrative, this was the sloppiest crime that any criminal had carried out, with evidence everywhere, hundreds of witnesses, weapons in the car… Even someone who has an online law degree could indict this poor guy… But, as someone pointed out above, no matter what happens, even if he is proved to be 100% innocent, that super smart shy kid is not coming back.
100′s of witnesses who never saw James Holmes. Weapons without his finger prints. What is the probable cause exactly? His orange hair?
I hear you… But that’s exactly my point…. If Even half of what they claim were true, they wouldn’t have to resort to propaganda and disinformation like this. And this fact alone should be enough for the people to question every claim they make.
Holmes being dressed in swat gear, adorned with weapons and parking near the back door to 9 is why I think most feel it is an open shut case. To believe otherwise is to suggest he was
A) set up (which is bat shit crazy apparently according MSM and to most people I have broached the subject with) or
B) he had an accomplice (which I think a lot people were wondering about and worried about initially, and is a far more socially acceptable concern).
“That super smart shy kid is not coming back.”
That just made me stop for a second.
This whole case sucks so bad. People are dead. James is as good as dead. The real perps are still out there and probably going to cause more harm in the future. It’s just hard to deal with.
I am so glad you took note of that sunshinez…
Like many of you here, this case is occupying my mind in a peculiar way. I follow the case very closely all over the web. This site, as well as many others, are doing a great job in doing investigative reporting, forensic analysis and timelines, etc. And I share their wish to understand or solve the case.
Whether it is these kinds of sites full of people who are smelling something fishy and seeking the truth, or the msm outlets who are busy disguising or distorting the truth, James Holmes himself, as a person, or as a human being, seems to have fallen off the discourse.
I can’t really understand why, because I feel that understanding James is crucial to any line of investigation…
From the 1st minute of the coverage, neither the msm or anyone else I am aware of, has produced a shred of evidence that this kid, at any moment in his past, from childhood to college graduation, has displayed any kind of behavior that might be interpreted as even remotely “disturbed”.
His presence in Aurora is roughly one year, and this one year is the only foggy area in his life. Somehow, not a single soul has come forward or has been interviewed.. The laundromat he went to, the bartender at the bar he had the beer, the supermarket he shopped at, the admissions clerk at the university…. Not even to say “omg, I had no idea…”… Somehow, besides a guy who says he had a beer with him, no one can actually account for this kid’s activities. We are expected to assume that this young man has led a hermit like existence in Aurora, between his apartment and school and the “not one but three mental health professionals” even though it does not fit the person described by the people in his past. In his very recent past….
The James of the science camp video is a reserved, smart, witty young man… But, maybe most importantly, he emits a sense of intense pride… Proud of himself, his mentor, and the work they had done “together”.
This is just an assumption, but I think that the msm would have dug it out by now if there was any witnesses or other “mental health professionals” during his college years to corroborate that he was a mental case.
Everything really ends up pointing to the short school year during which James Holmes morphs in to a mass murderer… What really happens to this man at school. A school which has ties to big business, army psy-ops units, and a neuroscience department doing research on mind control…
Where is the interview with people of the neighborhood who were at least aware of his presence? Where is the report on his four, long college years? How come we are not allowed to “know” this man? All this knowledge is not bound by any gag orders or would interfere with the criminal investigation….
Sadly, the bought-and-paid-for media is just doing what they are paid to do, to distort reality… On the other hand, the able investigative journalist with integrity (Lois Lane maybe?) is simply scared to pursue an investigation of such a crime. Because, deep down, most feel that there is something very dark behind this story, whether James did everything they say he did, or absolutely none of it.
(I apologize for the length of my post)
To some media’s credit they did try to have the evidence unsealed and have gag orders removed.
Also how in a sold out theater with many people in the first few rows of theater 9 no one says one word about a man taking a phone call opening the emergency exit and signalling to a friend, except Corbin (who I believe is telling the truth).
I mean some guy with a goatee gets up takes a call right before the previews or perhaps during(people would not be super engaged at that point for the most part actually seems like more of a distraction if he left during the trailer).
There is a real cop in the parking lot the whole time but he doesn’t see anyone putting on full swat gear…?
I think the theater seats 300 but I’m not sure about the number… 12 of them are dead and none of the survivors are in critical condition.
This means that, together with the group of people who witnessed bullets coming though the walls, we need to have at least 300 accounts, no matter how significant, of all of the witnesses. I would asume it would be crucial to build the timeline of the shooting, who was shot where, from what angle, how many bullets, from which weapon, etc… I am afraid neither the police (especially oates) nor the defense give me any hope that they give a rat’s ass about finding out the truth and try to make sure they get it right.
And I am not too hopeful that the trial will be open to public or cameras, either.
There’s a video posted in The Truth about James Holmes page on facebook. Apparently, there were students who experienced hallucinations and one student threatening to stab a teacher in the eye. This is crazy stuff!
http://www.facebook.com/TruthAboutJamesEagenHolmes
It would be the first post I believe.
Jessie, that video about Kate… and around toward the end of it there is a very quick and brief picture of the gas mask at the end of the theater backside .. the second mask… but the man who is talking during the video is saying that a ‘blood’ pack is on the pavement? is he suggesting that the blood splatters were unreal?
can you understand all he is saying? can you see a blood pack.
I have tried and tried to hold that one picture and enlarge it… but as soon as I do, the screen quits and takes me to a different video.
CU hires attorneys:
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_21257149
“The school could face lawsuits; Aurora police told school officials not to reveal details that might hinder the investigation; and a judge ordered the school not to release public records on Holmes.
Read more: University silence on accused movie shooter costly – The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/theatershooting/ci_21201513/university-silence-accused-movie-shooter-costly#ixzz24Gu2csCA
Read The Denver Post’s Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse“:
Wow, here’s a Facebook page for those questioning the CU’s psychiatrist:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/truth-about-james-eagen-holmes/want-to-know-more-about-dr-fenton/161554277315526
I apologize, I made a mistake lol. It’s not a page, but more like information on the The Truth About James Holmes page questioning Dr. Fenton and those wanting to know more about her and her involvement.
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Posting a new theory on the James Holmes Case. He did it. That’s right he did. Proof, well how about substantiation.
Time Line: According to the audio tapes of police activities there is a period of approximately 4:48 second from the time of the first call until the time a suspect is identified over the radio. When he is identified he’s not under arrest, he’s merely spotted otherwise he’d say we have a suspect detained behind the theater. Then there is more chatter and after approximately 30 – 40 seconds a second officer asks the first office to confirm the suspect and says “is that the dude in the white car you’re by.” the arresting team office responds “yes, we’ve got rifles, gas masks and an open door going into the theater, the suspect is detained” 4:48 is plenty of time for the shooter to operate inside and outside, including the report that he attempted to get into theater eight from the outside after a theater 8 witness helped two teenage girls get inside.
The Blood Trail: Any of the vitcims could have left this trail either during the incident (pre arrest) or after. There is absloutely no way anyone can determine which way the injured party was walking from the spatter. The photographs were clearly taken from a helicopter. The road crew working on Sable is reported to have helped a man shot in the neck. His path to Sable would closely coincide with the direction of the blood trail from the theater. So too would the path of the victim walking along the rear from 9 to 8 being let in the rear door. After the arrest officers are clearly directing emergency personnel to the rear of the theater.Any of many victims being escorted out of the theater could have left this trail.
2nd Gas Mask: James Holmes was reportedly arrested by SWAT Team Members who identified him by his non-regulation gas mask. Look closely at the gas mask in the clear photoggraph and then look closely at what appears to be the gas mask amoung the equipment which was stripped from the subject and placed beside the car. THey are distinctively different in shapwe, namely the one in the clear picture seems to cover snuglly most of the head while the other one seems to mainly cover the eys and nose mouth but not the whole head. Easy enough to figure that when SWAT arrived they would have been approaching the theater from the North East, that’s the direction their station is less than 1 mile away. They would have entered the parking area from centerpoint, turned east throught the parking lot and dismounted their vehicle on the north east corner of the building. Right where the gas mask was. Seeing the suspect as anounced in the audio, an officer would no longer need his gas mask, throw it to the ground but advance toward the suspect behind the cover of the riot shield which was aslo left at the scene, just closer to the arrest site as it would have been needed where the gas mask would have only been a nusiance during the potential armed confrontation they had to be expecting prior to arrest.
Suspect IN the White Car Your By: “yes, we’ve got rifles, gas masks and an open door going into the theater, the suspect is detained.” The officer questioning the situation over the radio is close enough to sort of see what’s going on but not close enough to distinguish between the shooter and the other officers. Meaning he not close enough to see if the shooter is actually in the car or not. Even, though the suspect is DETAINED it would be very easy to assume from that distance that the suspect is one of the other officers and impossible to actually see if someone was physically in the car or not. What with it being midnight and all, tinted windows and chaos. So he asks if that is the suspect IN the White car you’re by without realizing that the suspect is one of the figures he is looking at and not someone sitting in a car. You can bet your ass there is no way a SWAT team members reports that the suspect is DETAINED if he’s sitting in a car and they don’t have him under control.
No One Reported Seeing James Holmes Buy A Ticket and No One Reported Seeing James Holmes in the theater: Google Theater Nine Ticket. Notice the Purchase Time. Plenty of them were bought in advance. Certainly that would have been on the list of things to do for Mr. Holmes, wanting to sit in a certian theater and all and before he dyed his hair. It can’t be hard to imagine that after so much planning, that the shooter might think to attempt to diguise his outlandish appearance while he was waiting to activate his plan.
What ABout the Goatee: The same guy who said the guy who got up and walked out with the goatee is the guy who aslo said the shooter kicked in the door. No matter what you believe you can’t believe that the shooter kicked in the door. That’s grandstanding on the part of an unhurt witness reacting to an obviously difficult sitation and overwhelming media attention. It’s simply not possible to kick in a door that opens out. That’s an embelishment. So too is the detail about the goatee.
How could an unemployed college student afford all that equipment: It’s called credit. It’s manditory of making purchases on the internet. It takes months and month to rake up the kind of debt that forces credit cards to stop lending you money.
How could anyone make bombs so sophisticated that it took the FBI two days to disarm them: Well what how hard is it to make a bomb that doesn’t explode. I just made several. None of them work. I’m a genious.
How could he be such a good marksmen to hit all of those people: He did hit a lot of people. He only killed 12 thankfully. He also fired an aweful lot of bullets at a largely captive audience, including shotgun fire which of course spreads and therefore hits a lot of people.
How go he do this so drugged up: If you don’t believe he told the police he was the joker why would you believe he told the police he was on drugs.
I probably missed a few things. Let me know and I’ll attempt to clear up anything that’s reasonable.
Yeah, Truth and only the truth,
you missed a lot…. and mis-represented a lot……
Corbin did not say the shooter kicked the exit door in… he said a man got up from seating in theater 9 and the man went to exit door.. opened it and seemed to be looking for someone… the man slightly propped the door open as he went out…… about 10 to 15 min into the movie (after previews), a man dressed in black and gas mask and carrying weapons, came in exit door..
Corbin also says that man walked like he knew what he was doing, walked as if he was going to enjoy what he had in mind.
The goatee…. man, that really pisses off you guys… doesn’t it? Making such a mistake…. and here is a movie viewer who notices it… and talks about it… and the goatee wearer does not have bright orange hair…. wow…..
and who would have thought that a movie viewer wouldn’t be interested in previews? Hey, that’s like disobeying a set in stone advertisement commandment …. I don’t like previews either…. and here is Corbin taking that holy ‘preview’ time to look around at a guy who gets a phone call…. and Corbin has eyes and a sharp memory…
the man gets up and walks to the exit door… hey, that is a very strange action… a very noticeable one.. Corbin would not forget that….others noticed that also.
also your reference to the gas masks…. police just sling off their masks? LOL… a swat officer just slings off his protective equipment?
that is actually funny…. and then the officer allows his dropped and ID’d equipment to be tagged as evidence? LOL Did they tag their police cars as evidence? You must really think police officers are dumb as mud….what a insult to them…. or you want us to think they are.
you bore me…..
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The police tagged the riot shield as evidence. The riot shield is on the ground and became part of the crime scene the same as the 2nd gas mask.
None of the rest of what you wrote merits any comment.
Glad you at least acknowledge that the 2nd mask and the body protective gear is at least on the ground….. did you also notice that the investigative officers examine stuff on the ground before they tag it as evidence? They don’t tag everything…. just stuff they deem as evidence against shooter or shooters….. that’s why they examine things… strange that only one officer seems to be so careless as to keep dropping his gear…. guess he’ll be demoted … you think?
if my other arguments to your comments appear merit-less, then guess you are admitting that your corresponding comments are also merit-less…. good for you!…
….”How could anyone make bombs so sophisticated that it took the FBI two days to disarm them: Well what how hard is it to make a bomb that doesn’t explode. I just made several. None of them work. I’m a genious.”
They said those bombs were very sophisticated something out of Iraq and Afghanistan, If anyone opened that door to respond to the music lots people would have been killed. Are you saying they made that up?
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Did the bombs blow up? No. Then they didn’t work. Eric and Dylan wanted to blow up people too. They failed as well. Besides, are you telling me you believe the police when they tell you how sophisticated the bombs were but you don’t believe the police when they tell you they arrested the right guy. Either you believe the police and the story or you don’t. If you do then we’re arguing the same point. If you don’t then you’re arguing my point for me. Either way, thanks for agreeing.
So you don’t believe those bombs were as sophisticated as they say?
On what evidence do you base this theory?
Who the fuck are Eric and Dylan..?
“Either you believe all of the story or non of it” —–good one bro!, that is some solid logic there!
Eric & Dylan are the Columbine shooters.
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Also, not very many people would attach much sophistocation to roadside IEDs in Iraq and Afaganistan. I believe laregly they are crude devices made from battery parts and unexploded ordinace. Not, complex mazelike structures covering a whole apartment with trip wires and stereos.
Did you not read any of the reports on the bombs? They were extremely complicated and were disarmed by experts…..
If it’s all or none of the story to you, shouldn’t you accept that the bombs were as complicated as media say they were.
You are a fool to think it’s all or none of what media has put out to this point…………
Correction – You are a fool to think it’s all or none of what the “police story” is.
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The evidence is that the bombs didn’t blow up. They didn’t blow up when the radio went on, they didn’t blow up when the window was broken and glass fell all over the floor, they didn’t blow up when they were being disarmed. They didn’t blow up at all. Good bombs blow up otherwise they just look like good bombs.
Many of your fellow posters don’t even believe there were bombs. You have a video on your site of two women across the street who say they weren’t even evacuated for several hours while the police tinkered around in the rigged apartment building across the street.
Do these look like sophisticated bombs:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ied&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&biw=1525&bih=718&wrapid=tlif134570008274910&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=q8I1UJnpMYSlrQGZ94GoDw
If your so convinced then….that means you believe police blatantly lied about the bombs?
So if they lied about one item (the bombs) is it possible that they lied about anything else?
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Also absolutely none of what I reported was based on anything the media said. It was based 100% on a combination of the police audio, the images of the crime scene and rational logic. Not the media. Didn’t even mention them you did.
I already corrected that I meant to say police story.
The fact that you believe that anything anyone tells you is always ALL TRUE OR ALL FALSE is hilarious. Especially with something as broad as the “police story”
ROFLMFAO
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I didn’t say the police lied about the bombs. I said:
How could anyone make bombs so sophisticated that it took the FBI two days to disarm them: Well what how hard is it to make a bomb that doesn’t explode. I just made several. None of them work. I’m a genious.
You see herein lies the problem and actually the root of the notion of a conspiracy. One piece of information is presented and the reader (or receiver) of the information distorts (perhaps unintentionally) one small piece of that information and suddenly it takes on a whole new meaning. I said the bombs didn’t work. Meaning that someone who just commited mass murder could string all kinds of dangerous looking shit together and the police would be moronic to take anything less tan every possible precaution in attempting to disarm them without setting them off. Just because the police disarmed the bombs without blowing them up doesn’t mean they would have ever worked in the first place.
Again, my narrative is not based on what I am told but what I have oserved and deduced from the same evidence that has so many of you assigning blame as far up the ladder as the government of the united states. Which by the way, if the government did this don’t you think they’d cover up the evidence a little better. I mean they only had like 5.5 ours until day light to get things straightened out.
Your theory about the bombs runs contrary to FBI and Police reports regarding the bombs…..do you agree with that?
Federal authorities detonated one small explosive and disarmed others inside Holmes’ apartment after sending in a robot to take down a trip wire, FBI Special agent James Yacone said.
Bomb technicians then neutralized what he called a “hypergolic mixture” and an improvised explosive device containing an unknown substance. There also were multiple containers of accelerants, he said.
“It was an extremely dangerous environment,” Yacone said, saying anyone who walked in would have sustained “significant injuries” or been killed.
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You might be right in you bomb theory but it defiantly goes against what FBI agent Yacone is saying about it.
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Are you suggesting that the bombs worked? My theory about the bombs is that it doesn’t take a genious to make a bomb that doesn’t work. Do the reports contridict that in some way?
Of course based on his studies and academic performance up until the last year, James was kind of a genious and the police probably had some sense of that before they started attempting to enter his apartment.
All this and you’re still on semantics. Haven’t you found much bigger holes in my narrative than whether or not the bombs would or would have exploded if they’d been triggered and exactly how smart or guilty that would or wouldn’t make the person who was arrested.
You seemed legit until your first reply where you say…
“Besides, are you telling me you believe the police when they tell you how sophisticated the bombs were but you don’t believe the police when they tell you they arrested the right guy. Either you believe the police and the story or you don’t.”
I never said that I did or did not believe what the Police or the FBI had said regarding the apartment, that was all you.
I was simply asking why you think the Police and FBI make statements so contrary to your theory.
Your last bit about how it’s all or nothing just seals the deal for me.
It’s too bad I though you might add some against the grain input.
The bombs looked legit and sophisticated to the police…
So much, in fact, that they were busting in apartment windows in short sleeve shirts and passing bombs to each other at that remote detonation site where the bombs were later blown up without any protective gear on whatsoever. So much that people were carrying out containers with blue liquid in them like it’s some koolaid.
Google bomb squad gear and then look at the “bomb squad” working at James’ apartment.
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Whether or not the bombs would have blown up is completly irrelevant to my agrument. My argument is that no one can use the fact that there were or were not sophistocated bombs in Holmes apartment as proof that Holmes did not commit the crime. Not because there were or were not bombs, not because the bombs themseleves were or were not sophistocated and not because Holmes could have or could not have figured out how to make such bombs in the course of a couple months of study. The reason all of that is irrelevant is because the bombs didn’t blow up so there is no way of knowing exactly how sophostocated they were and therefore no way to know how much knowledge someone would need to be able to construct them. What we can deduce from the F-A-C-T that the bombs didn’t do any damage is that they were completly ineffective to there intended purpose.
By the way you seemed like you might be well informed until you said who the fuck are Eric and Dylan.
I think you are a comic… I got you pegged! Sorry, at first I was taking you seriously.
Yeah, who is Eric and Dylan? So many people have the same name… and being well informed does mean that you have to know every little tidbit of some sort of half-info that anyone might throw out?
In a hot losing argument about your theory and you start to throw out insults? …
yeah, talk about the bombs…..they were set up to blow about same time shooter started his show…. they failed… who’s mistake?
That is the big question. I don’t think the set-up group wanted to murder people in the apartment complex…. but they couldn’t resist suggesting that something had been planned….. so the timer was set and devised to be useless….. hey, it looks good… and Holmes looks even more deranged….
the first show police knock down the door.. no explosion… then they back out… good grief, look at all that stuff….
they knock out the window.. glass does not ignite the bombs.. of course not… broken glass is not the explosive ignition required…
the bombs were ineffective because they were intended to be useless.
But who set up that complicated mess? If Holmes did do the shooting…. if he murdered helpless people…why would he draw a line on setting up useless bombs?
I think the local police were set up as well as Holmes…. if I was one of those officers, I would be mad… did their leader, Oaks, know about the event and send his men into such a game?
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I’m not in a losing arguement. You’ve offered nothing that refutes what I transcribed initially. I also haven’t thrown out any insults.
Whoa….. LOL
so ‘essohkay’ and ‘The Turth And Only The Truth’ are the same person?
by the way.. what does “Turth” mean?
administrative note: I have strict policies about banning or not banning people. Typically, I pretty much allow anything to be posted that isn’t either hate speech (threats of violence) or marketing but in this case, I have decided to ban this individual because he is posting as two different commenters trying to make it appear that there is a consensus of opinion on this case.
Looking back over his (her) comments I can see that both “turth” and essohkay and sok have been constantly posting similar, unsupported, influence peddling comments, and his (her) little mistake here in the argument with Jan makes it clear, they are the same person, and that is not allowed on the site.
I take banning people for making comments seriously, I don’t do it often, but once I determine that someone is clearly exhibiting influence peddling behavior like posting as multiple personae, then I will do it with little to no regret whatsoever.
Sorry the people here had to put up with him (her) for as long as they did, but their weak arguments served as fodder for thought I suppose.
“essohkay, sok, turth” is banned.
I was gonna flame the troll, but Willy got rid of him before I could, well done.
Whatever they’re paying SOK, it’s too much, his game was weak.
his already replied to being banned (which went to spam) and he’s claiming that losing his wisdom on this topic will do nothing more than hurt my credibility. He also claimed to have been sending comments from work and home which for some reason meant he had to change his handle. Really? like you said, his game was weak… I hope they send him back to influence peddling class for a while. can’t wait till they send the new meat replacement for him
LOL he keeps sending me comments while he’s reading us talking about him. He called me a pussy. lol…. he says that you can’t poke holes in his arguments. It’s quite entertaining actually.
He tried posting without a name and was able to block his IP address but it still went to spam. hee hee
Pretty impressive blocking his IP address though, I will give him and his company that much. He’s got to have some good IT guys working for him
Interestingly enough, I came across this article/post just now, that outlines some ways in which trolls operate – A shill speaks up. http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/vanilla/discussion/335/a-shill-speaks-up-
I should note that my name does change at times, though my picture doesn’t (cause I’m logging in the same way). I’ve changed my name at work to Feff, but when I’m at home or on my phone, I think I’ve forgotten to change it.
Feff aka Yestheywill
Fuck these Narcs. Fools are clowns. All the smart people refuse to do such bitch ass jobs.
As far as I can tell, nobody was making the argument that the bombs existence is evidence of alternate suspects. What is odd about it:
1) How did Holmes know how to make devices similar to those seen in Iraq. IEDs can be very very simple, or quite complex and ingenious, all the names means is “DIY bomb” – in this case the police say they were very complex and intricate. Either thats a lie (odd) or Holmes made them himself with, one has to assume, help from the internet. But the police also said “holmes left practically no digital footprint”. Any website that lists the methods for creating these kind of explosives is closely monitored and anyone visiting them has very certainly left a digital footprint.
2) Why did Holmes set up this death trap and then warn the police about it? Utterly bizzare show of conecrn for law enforcement, people who, by the motivations consistently attributed to him by the MSM, would be far more desireable targets than random strangers who share his love of Batman.
3) The bombs were supposedly complex and of many different varieties. Some have suggested they were set to a timer and this failed to got off. Setting them to a cell phone and triggering them just before his attack would have been the easiest thing in the world and would have created a distraction that could have potentially lead cinema-based units away from the area of the shooting. Setting up triggers is far easier than actually creating the bombs but according to police he was amazing at the difficult part but sucked at the really easy part.
4) The behaviour of the police (as mentioned above) seems inconsistent in several ways with how a bomb threat of unknown scope should be treated. As soon as he warned that there were devices in his apartment, his entire block and every building facing that block should have been immediately evacuated.
Either Holmes/someone made the bombs (in which case the police response, their failure to trigger, his warning, etc. is a little odd) or he didn’t make bombs (in which case their assertion that he did is more than a little odd).
interesting questions…..
They say his intent with the bomb at the apt was to kill cops. That is not consistent with any of his actions.
This case is a joke. The Arapahoe County justice system should be the laughing stock of the entire world.
that is absolutely true
/nod
Remember Yeom Pyo Lee?
He was sought by officials after police received a message from his telephone threatening violence if James Holmes was not released from police custody. But quickly released, saying “no connection”. (Uh, how can that be?)
Not only have they’ve removed this guy’s pages from every social network site:
http://hinterlandgazette.com/2012/07/dark-knight-gunman-james-holmes-classmate-yeom-pyo-lee-questioned-police-threatening-violence.html
But more importantly, if you look again at JH syllabus for the PhD program (at http://www.scribd.com/doc/100612191/James-Holmes-Class-PDF), it does not even list this guy as a student in the program…
Super Weird.
Not sure I can even stomach following today’s court proceedings. Hardly seems worth it.
That is weird……and why would he call and threaten the police? Did he know something about what was going on? He would be a person of interest for Holmes’ lawyers to talk to ….
that school is getting creepy…. sort of like a scary place to study…
Seriously WTF is this all about
We’re gonna stage the casualties over here? Wtf?
Has anyone determined what was thrown at the start of the attack? You see some statements like this one:
“‘In a split second, I recognized that it was tear gas, meaning that this was either a bad joke or it wasn’t a joke at all and either way, it is time to run.’
She credits realising it was tear gas so quickly because both she and her boyfriend had trained with the U.S. navy.” The quote is from Carli Richards
But others, (who I don’t have time to source right now) said it was definitely not tear gas. Specifically I’m referring to the couple in which the lady had EMT training and her BF was in the military or something.
So–tear gas, smoke bomb or what?
One police officer on dispatch said it smelled like O.C.
Pepper spray, also known as OC spray (from “Oleoresin Capsicum”), OC gas, and capsicum spray, is a lachrymatory agent.
BUT….
Determining the strength of different manufactures of pepper sprays can be confusing.
Another site of interest, mainly because sometimes its easier to find videos/photos if they are grouped.
http://romeforholmes.tumblr.com/case
Still waiting for part two of this incredibly well written blog.
http://darkknighttruth.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/nbcs-dateline-falsified-forensic-statements-of-key-aurora-shooting-witness-corbin-dates
thanks for posting my blog
hehehe,
I see the romeforholmes…. has no ‘unanswered’ questions?
Here’s a link to a FB post by Chris Townson. the boyfriend of Carli Richards (girl who was shot by “pellets” who thinks Holmes should be shot by a firing squad). In it he clearly states that police were on scene directing traffic before the movie started. http://www.facebook.com/chris.townson1
I got one for this, had to change the title to a more descriptive one
@ 5:20 is what you wanna look at
Thanks Chris, I think you helped with two of my posts today–the one regarding a police presence before the movie started and also my post regarding the device thrown at the start of the attack.
The fact that people in the other theater were bothered by what was coming through the vents indicates that the device thrown contained an irritant, which is different than something like a smoke bomb (I believe). What does Corbin say, was he irritated by the devices?
I’m interested in finding the witness couple who explicitly stated it was NOT tear gas.
Chris, is that your YouTube channel?
yes it is – no tear gas from corbin dates
Corbin Dates said that though the smoke made it hard for him to breath it didn’t irritate his eyes. Another pair of witnesses (stocky white guy and slim black guy) said it immediately irritated their eyes.
If you wear eye contacts, even smoke can feel very irritating… before you ‘knock’ Corbin’s response to the canister, find out more about why someone was having a bigger problem..
If you look at the people rushing out of the theater, none are red-eyed from something as harsh as tear gas….. a person can’t even see after getting blasted with that stuff……. just my feelings about this…
Sounds like quite a bit of the gas got into 8 through the ventilation system.
Also seems like 9 was pretty well gasses seeing as officer really didn’t want to enter until “they got some dam gas masks”.
But the range of O.C. gas seems vast, maybe it wasn’t incredible harsh.
Maybe Corbin staying low the whole time (which he claims he did,I am pretty sure he says he crawled out of the theater) helped him not get the worst of the gas.
Chris p You fu*king rock dude.
I think Corbin is legit and I think he is a BADASS (seriously).
So Corbin was very close to the shooter initially. He was sitting in the front row.
“I felt the caps from the bullets burn my leg”
“me i could not scream being in the front not knowing if he was still in the front or if he went past me”
-So he was right next to the shooter and had no idea where the shooter was moments after shots are fired. Guess the duel smoke bombs + dark theater = zero visibility on shooter(s).
I just love Charlie Rose’s question it is amazing and I will hang my hat on this :
“Ok, then the question is did anyone else in the theater that you or anyone else talked to see this person leave and go through that door and the other person come in.”
Answer in short is no, then the reported goes on to say how careful he wants to be in suggesting a second suspect.
I can imagine Oates now “Even if we had suspected a second or third gunmenn we would tell you” MUhahahha
On a serious note….
Maybe they told media they didn’t want to cause panic with “false” multiple gunmen coordinated attack stories so for the safety of the community don’t report such nonsense. Would be a good way to quite the local/national media.
“I’m shocked hearing 14 people are dead and it’s just one person. By the sound of it honestly there could have been 3 or 4 guys shooting multiple calibers going off”. – This part reminds me that several eye witnesses say you could not tell where the shooter was at all after the initial dramatic entrance and lets not forget those deep recesses behind the screen.
Before the movie -
“Heavy, heavy security presence mostly rent-a-cops and one real police officer checking the parking lots”
Upon realizing whats going on and calling cops-
“With a snap of a finger police were everywhere”
Great little interview, nice work chris p.
Hey–don’t really have anywhere else to flesh out these ideas (suppose I could try the Truth for James Holmes FB page or ATS or GLP), but I feel this is quite an astute crowd so I’ll stick with posting here for a while.
Most may have dismissed claims of “actors” being used, but I can’t let it drop, as preposterous as it sounds (but come on, this whole case is preposterous). I’ve pointed out previously that Corbin Dates looks identical to Corbin J. Kent (of Aurora) who can be found on Model Mayhem.
While on his page, I noticed a girl in Corbin J. Kent’s friend list who looked kinda familar, and I have since suggested (maybe only on YouTube) that witness Erin Post may actually be Diandra Reed, who is a model on Model Mayhem.
Fine, dismiss those two, I know I wanted too. But then today, I had to do a web search on “pellet” victim Carli Richards. Long story short, i found her BF’s facebook and he’s in a relationship with Carli Rotten, who is also a model on–you guessed it MODEL MAYHEM.
That’s all I got, make of it what you will–and when you do, please share, cause I’m still not sure what to make of it.
Diandra Reed and Erin Post certainly look alike but hard to be sure. Definietely worth checking out other witnesses, especially Tanner Coon and Julia Nguyen to see if they have any close matches. Weird thing about this video: why would people who had almost been killed (and stumbled over dead bodies in their rush to escape) and one would expect either hand around till the next morning to talk to camera crews outside the theater rather than rushing home to be with loved ones, contact and reassure their family, rest, recover, wash blood off, etc. They seem very eager to be on camera. If they’ve gone home at any point rather than simply hanging around for the media, why on earth would the two girls not have changed out of the batman t-shirts?
typo above > …escape) and one would expect to be still somewhat traumatized, decide to hang around till…
The above just seems like odd behaviour. Nothing particularly suspicious unless a large number of patrons were all on Model Mayhem.
I think in my mind I figured they had recently departed the school, but they are obviously at the theater, so maybe they were given a ride back to get their cars or something.
Even President Obama has several look-a-likes…. we all do…. it is really a small world….. we are all kin .. in some form or the other…..
and to find a person who looks like you…. would not be hard….
Be real…. people have died… a lot of grief and pain and anguish has engulfed the families of the victims…
I don’t think it is shocking that a bunch of young actors are at the premier of the finale of an amazing trilogy.
Its not a question of suggesting that the victims were in fact play acting, but rather that if an unusually high percentage of the audience were attached to this ModelMayhem (Site? Agency?) they might have been enticed to attend (e.g. free tickets to plants to create good buzz/responses for the premiere). The question in that case would be was it done as a (not uncommon) publicity promotion or to ensure that the victims were of a specific type (young/camera friendly). At present its not something I’ll give any more thought to, but if someone were to comeback and say “well, actually there are now 6 or 7 confirmed audience members who were attached to MM”, given that they have (does a quick check…finds its a seemingly open access website) about 300 members in a town with a 300,000 population, having more than one or two seems anomalous (more anomalous when they form a higher proportion of those who have spoken on camera – again perhaps chosen to present an image of young attractive victims).
Not arguing this point, just clarifying why the post above and the MM link seemed a bit odd to me. Again, if it turns out there was in fact more of them, it might be worth reconsidering.
The only witness that seemed quite off to me was the guy who shows his ticket stub, keeps saying honestly, does what seems like some sudden short “verklempt moment(so similar to Oates in like ever Press Conference/Ineterview) and he says he is absolutely sure it was one shooter.
I just had a horrible thought. This is not at all to suggest that I think things actually went down this way, but after reading comments suggesting that the university could have been directly involved in this plot, this is where my mind went:
If I were an organization that wished to cause a horrific massacre, for whatever reason, and I also wished to find a patsy to blame for it, the first place I might look for such a patsy is among psychiatric patients with homicidal fantasies. Better still if they are genius-level patients perceived as capable of elaborate plots who described their fantasies in detail to their therapist or who even drew pictures of their fantasies.
I’m not really convinced that Holmes was insane or homicidal or that he sent a notebook to Fenton detailing homicidal fantasies, or even that he even saw psychiatrists for that matter (hey, the media has lied to us about worse). But in the event that he WERE seeking help for such problems, it would be SO EASY to frame him for the crime: just peruse the psychiatric notes and alleged notebook full of fantasies, and then construct the crime to fit them.
Not a likely story, but I feel that anything is possible at this point.
I think it makes sense to believe that a few of the key witnesses who were used for multiple MSM outlets were given certain “incentives” or were influenced otherwise to tell the story a certain way.
Remember how all the witnesses were immediately driven off to some nearby High School to be interviewed (briefed)?
The way MSM has been shaping the narrative of this case they certainly wouldn’t want some witness to come on air and go rogue and make a bunch of statements that go against the official narrative. I believe that’s why Corbin’s statements have been seriously doctored after the fact.
It’s not at all hard to imagine that someone like Carli Rotten who has been milking every single second of this tragedy (down to creating a new FB Page for her band in which she calls herself “Stitches” and brags about having more street cred than 50 Cent who was shot 9 times, or sending people autographs and pictures of her for 150 dollar donations) or others who are trying to be actors or models would be up for the job if it means they’re gonna get their face on TV.
You don’t have to look very far to see people who would do anything for some attention and/or money.
You also have to remember that most of them are very young and had just gone through a traumatic experience, which would probably make them easier to be influenced.
I didn’t see one older person on air giving any statements.
@Lilaleo & @Chris P – here’s my contribution to the timeline that night. I approximate that Bonnie Kate Pourciau, if she was the female victim in the cell phone footage being moved from in front of the theater to behind it, she was back there within 18 minutes of the police dispatch, roughly 12:57am.
http://itsalwayssunnyin1984.blogspot.ca/2012/08/aurora-shooting-victim-bonnie-kate.html
Heard that latest? CBS Evening News just reported Holmes told a fellow “classmate” he wanted “to kill people.” They said he started buying ammo after that.
What a dumb statement. Cant count how many times I probably said to someone pretty similar, NOT SERIOUSLY OF COURSE
Classmate not named, but sure fits in nicely. And they still have never explained how he learned to shoot.
The prosecutors “motive” statements yesterday…. what crap. That puts him locked out of the school during the time he supposingly was getting 90 packages there, and its always been said the worst that could happen by failing one exam would be academic probation. But the school would then tell him to pick a new career? So his solution would be decide to shoot movie goers, not the school?
Clearly no real analysis of this shooting will ever happen in court.
Hate to be a prick but this whole James Holmes thing is about one thing: MONEY. James Holmes’ father work’s for FICO, specifically the fraud department and is about to be a whistleblower on the whole LIBOR scandal. He is most likely scheduled to go before a congressional oversight committee of some kind. If the lid comes off that whole mess the collateral damage done will be on a biblical scale. Damage that could lead to a potential economic collapse. Think about it we all know that wall street bail out was bullshit and fucked over a ton of people. But if this comes out this could be the last straw. The facilitators of this whole thing got smart: Robert Holmes cannot just die mysteriously in a skiing or car accident, or ‘heart trouble’. So they struck at a weakness: family. They doped up the kid and made him go crazy. Hell they probably supplied him with all the goods to do the job. Now his son is most likely facing Death Row. Unless of course dad changes his testimony to diffuse the whole LIBOR mess. And if that happens James Holmes gets life in prison or better yet a trip to the padded room in a long sleeve coat. But the bottom line is no one will care with either outcome. Facilitators win
The bottom line with this one is real simple. This is a trade trade lemonade scenario a.k.a. hostage situation. As most of you already know James Holmes’ father Robert Holmes is supposedly in charge of investigating fraud for FICO. If anyone recalls the LIBOR scandal and how many heavy players are implicated this should tell you all you need to know. Robert Holmes is supposed to go before a congressional oversight committee of some kind. Or maybe he already has. This ain’t exactly a town hall meeting to discuss who’s in charge of the town thanksgiving parade. The impact of this hearing could cripple the economy even further and take down a bunch of bankers and anyone running that LIBOR charade. Most likely this gets played out one of two ways. Robert Holmes changes his testimony or his son gets death row(most likely he gets taken out while waiting in prison). Scenario two: A bunch of government or state psychologists declare Robert Holmes’ fraud findings inadmissible due to the fact that he is under massive emotional stress and cannot effectively perform his job duties as a FICO fraud investigator. Or something along those lines.
informantnumbertwo, so you have any links proving the Robert Holmes is involved in the investigation of LIBOR? Would appreciate links to your comments.
That rumor was started by Sorcha Faal, a proven disinfo agent from way back. Google Sorcha Faal and the word “disinfo” and you will find all the info you need. Robert Holmes was never scheduled to testify before the senate banking committee on the subject of LIBOR or for any other topic.
Will James Holmes kill himself or he will die? Only time will tell.
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