by Scott Creighton
(H/T darkknightoracle from DarkKnightTruth)
A commenter here left a link and a video posting of an extended version of the Hardball interview with Aurora Massacre shooting witness Corbin Dates in which he makes a statement that supports what many have been saying about this case since day one: that the shooter seemed very comfortable with the attack. His description of the way the shooter moved when he entered the theater is extremely relevant for several reasons. One is that it shows he was not excited or enraged, that this was something he seemed very comfortable with. The other is it shows that he clearly wasn’t drugged to the gills as we know now James Holmes was when the police found him in his car.
Also, Dates can’t seem to put the person we all saw in the court room in that body armor the night of the shooting.
“DATES: The night in the theater, as soon as the door swung open and the person dressed all in black walked into the theater, this person had a stroll like he knew what was going on, like he knew what was supposed to happen, like it was supposed to be a walk in the park and that he was going to have a good time. That`s what it looked like.” Dates
I have often said that this operation was conducted on a very strict schedule. It was like they knew exactly how long it would take the Aurora police to respond to the call. The shooter was in and out just as the police arrived in the front of the theater, and he exited in time to drop off the gear and leave the area from the back.
During the attack, which coincided perfectly with a gunfight on screen so as to cover the sound of the gunshots in the other theaters, the shooter tossed the gas canisters and according to witnesses, waited for them to ignite prior to opening fire on the crowd. He then stayed exactly long enough to cause mass casualties then left out the back door knowing that the people would certainly not follow him in that direction. That is extreme discipline in a situation like this and I doubt a drugged out college student would have been able to maintain control while killing so many at point blank range.
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Filed under: Aurora Massacre, Scott Creighton
Here’s an interesting one
This is a re-post but I think it’s relevant.
…if you google raw-video-aurora-police-press-conference-from-theater-shooting and watch the questions at the end, one journalists says witnesses on the scene say there was an immediate police presence when shootings began.
All Q&A with Oates are extremely interesting to me including this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2toZkIXh9VY&feature=related
Theres a video for that question
I don’t think theres anything useful in this, other then it identifies those construction workers on the police radio. They didn’t ask them any questions about that. As far as I know, this is the only interview. I doubt the police even interviewed these people tho.
The back of the theater had many cars parked and some movie goers ran out the back and jumped in their cars and took off.. before police could begin to control the scene…. I wonder if those construction workers saw a man in tactical gear strip off gear and take off in a gray car? They might have thought they were watching a police officer?
I think the roommate of the Yeom guy wearing construction gear is some sort of red herring. I don’t believe they are involved. The threat sent from Yeom’s phone was routed electronically by someone else. Probably by the same people who set up Holmes.
Taken from the Aurora PD police scanner. Why did you mention a gray car?
12:53am
Construction worker said someone came booking out of the parking lot with a red backpack, headed towards Alameda.
12:53am
Male dressed in black with black backpack headed NE (towards Alameda as well)
2:42am
Aurora PD
We have an RP calling in, he thought he saw a vehicle fleeing the scene of the shooting, it was an older cop type car, primer gray with tinted windows, driving at a high rate of speed going to I-225. But that was two hours ago.
Th female construction worker has pretty fancy nails for a paving crew. Just sayin’. Is this possibly the lady who usually wears business attire but left in construction clothes, do we know?
Another gem.
I think I found the video tho. Why would they be so concerned about people finding out about that black box in the apt with the flashing red light? I don’t have any bomb knowledge, but maybe someone out there does and could tell us why the means anything, and it what it would indicate.
Oates says, “There was a second triggering mechanism too, somehow if that was defeated there was another electronic mechanism of some sort that also would have set the whole thing off”
Scott, I thought it had been accepted that it was a quieter scene in theater 9 when the gunman came in, Catwoman meets Bruce Wayne. Pretty sure theater 8 was the theater where it was a shooting scene at the time of the actual shooting.
Witnesses say theatre 8 was the one with the shooting. From what I recall they said the scene in 9 was a quiet one with Batman and Alfred talking in the Batcave though
I thought some of the witnesses said they thought it was a movie gimmick at first because the shooting sort of went along with the shooting and stuff on the screen? for theater 9
From what I have seen Gray has it right.
But, depending on how long the shooting took place, the shooter perhaps came in to 9 during end of Catwoman scene and finished around time of ‘Batcave’ Alfred and Bruce scene.
Hey everyone, so just playing devils’ advocate here. So i’ve been wondering, why did his defense team make sure they called him mentally ill several times in his recent court appearance? Do you think they just don’t have all the evidence yet and they are covering their bases? Or do they know something we don’t? I just don’t understand that. Also, his parents. Where are they? When Amanda Knox (look up if you don’t remember) was accused of murder, her parents flew to italy full time and set up a fund to pay for the legal fees of an italian american lawyer. I know his dad is in colorado, but has he even been in court? So confused. I’ll be interested to read about his behavior at Thursdays’ hearing and maybe we’ll glean something else relevant. Such a fascinating case!
Sadly, I think the defense is too self-interested to do the legwork and come up with a better, real defense. “Mental illness” may be true, or it may simply be the easy way out for the defense, who, keep in mind, is funded by the taxpayers. “Mental illness” is pretty much an admission of guilt, as in guilty but insane, however, and it angers me that they would “go there” already, ’cause it pretty much “confirms” what the public already thinks it knows–that Holmes is guilty and crazy. I expect that they will try to plea-bargain: a guilty-but-insane plea in exchange for life without parole instead of the death penalty.
For all we know, the parents may be working behind the scenes, possibly in hiding. I’m sure they fear for their lives, lest some crazed person scapegoat them and harm them. Anyone who sticks up for JH is bound to be demonized, even if they’re his parents. Plus, who knows what kind of bull crap they’ve been fed. Perhaps they believe their son is guilty as charged.
I’ve been wondering about the family…. other than Fox News rudely chasing down his Dad at the airport on the day of the shooting, has the family been seen again? Ever? It’s like his Dad came here and vanished. Sorta weird don’t you think?
I doubt they are in “protective custody,” and you cant hide that well, if the MSM cared to find you, that is.
If you don’t understand how bad public defenders suck, you must have never used one. They are horrible. Most of the time they’ll get you a worse deal then if you would just talk to the judge for yourself in court.
No, haven’t been in trouble with the law lol. I just don’t understand his parents then. Pony up! Its’ your baby!
Well actually, he’s not “their baby”, he’s adopted, but still.
Is there proof he’s adopted anywhere? I really haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere, but is that just heresay from the media? Or is there actual confirmation of this somewhere from a legitimate source?
I just watched several videos, in addition to the one above featuring Corbin, in which witnesses state that the shooter was calm, silent, and stoic. The confidence that Corbin and the other witnesses describe is truly significant, as well as the fact that Corbin can’t positively identify Holmes as either the shooter OR the cell phone guy who opened the door. Also, the media reported that the shooter’s “hit rate” was 50%, and that trained enforcement professionals average a hit rate under similar circumstances of about 25%. If this is true, then the shooter was a highly trained assassin, and this wasn’t his first round of killing.
What never made sense was the reason why Holmes would wear protective gear and hide all features but his eyes, knowing full well how the story would end. He hasn’t spoken, nor has any manifesto been discovered, so we can’t assume that he wanted to survive the shoot-out for the attention. No–the reason for the SWAT gear is simply that the shooter was a trained assassin who was supposed to escape unidentified in the end, all according to plan. He didn’t even allow witnesses to hear his voice, so he could not later be identified.
In any case, I’ve seen at least a dozen witnesses profess that the shooter was calm, silent, and was shooting at random. What I can’t figure out is how the hell “Allie and Stephanie” (one of whom was legit. shot), get off saying that the shooter targeted and grabbed specific people and yelled. Were they hallucinating? Did the media brainwash them into floating that story? Absolutely ZERO other accounts corroborate this account.
Here’s one video such as I mention above. Note that these witnesses say things like “he was shooting at random” and “he didn’t say a WORD, not a WORD the ENTIRE time.” WTF, “Allie and Stephanie”?
The hit rate is actually way over 50% when you factor in the 8 or so bullets that went over into theater 8, and then all the people shot multiple times. i saw one witness got shot 4 times! I think he had more like 90% hit rate.
What the F? Watch this video about second person of interest Yeom Pyo Lee. He literally left his apartment with a female hours before the massacre and hasn’t been seen since the report was aired. But I know they questioned him and let him go. The female was in a construction worker outfit? A construction worker in the back of the THEATER!?!?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEXn1RHRYok&feature=g-vrec
I am not giving up that this dude didn’t have something to do with it. Oates completely glossing over it!!!!!!!!
Ever since I heard she left dressed as a construction worker, it’s been hard not to make the connection.
I’ve just watched this too and find it unbelievable! What on earth is going on. There must be some connection!
I saw a news report video that said Construction workers who were laying asphalt on Sable were first on scene, just before police were at the back of theater. The construction workers said they just saw people running out and helped some gun shot victims. I will try to find video again.
Never mind Chris P. beet me too it!
Here are the construction workers behind the theater
Did Jennifer Seeger ever describe the man who opened the emergency exit? I know lots of people say “she’s an actor”, but she was the friend that Corbin Dates was with.
This is the other witness who thought there were multiple people involved:
I think he just didn’t see how the first canister arrived to its destination, perhaps bounce on a wall or something.
Why would an accomplice let himself be shot at?
How long from the time the last shot was fired until Holmes arrest?
How long did that “jam” pause take?
Did the “jam” come early or late during the shooting?
How long did the entire shooting take?
Did anyone see the shooter leave the theater, ever, at any time.
(my understanding is that most people had no idea where in the theater the shooter was, except during the dramatic intro of course). Some say he was just standing there, some say he was running the isles, reports of him in the lobby, reports of him out back pounding on theater 8s rear exit, lot’s of people just said you couldn’t see the shooter at all after first 15sec of shooting or so.
I don’t see any witnesses saying “after shooter reloaded and fired a few more shots he just went right back out the exit door?”
At what point did someone prop the door wide open in the back of theater 9? Did the door close behind the shooter when he first entered? Did he go and prop it open after he was “done” shooting.
Dam I have a lot of questions, this case is too dam interesting….
Well if lots of people say Seeger is an actor, than she’s in good company. Not sure how many of you have seen this, but there’s another Corbin in Aurora; Corbin J. Kent, a stylish, “young independent actor” who looks strikingly IDENTICAL to slovenly Dates.
Oops–here’s the link for Corbin Dates–sorry, Corbin J. Kent’s model page on Model Mayhem. http://www.modelmayhem.com/1573040
Corbin Dates contradicts the official story. So I tend to think that people who try to say he’s a plant or isn’t credible are mistaken at best.
Maybe he’s a diversion–all I know is those two Corbin’s look near identical to me.
Didn’t they say it was odd James Holmes didn’t have Facebook? Well I can’t seem to find anything for Corbin DATES, Jennifer Seeger or Erin Post. Tanner Coon may be on Facebook and Corbin Kent is definitely on Facebook.
Alright, I gotta go to bed.
Why does it matter if Seeger is an actor or not? Has she said one single thing that every other witness didn’t confirm?
Kiwassabi, Dates noticed the man open the door and take the call during previews. Then he went to meet Seeger in the lobby to bring her back to their seats. She was not there yet when Dates noticed the man with the goatee open the door.
Oh, thanks for clearing that up! That makes a lot of sense.
It’s possible he went into the lobby, and exited out through the NE emergency exit where they found the other gas mask. I also saw the report of someone going into theater 8 saying, “Don’t go into the lobby, someone’s shooting out there”. Unlikely though as he dropped the AR-15 right outside of theater 9′s exit.
I wish someone else saw the man who took the phone call and opened the emergency exit.
This movie should blow your mind.
Dateline : Oates says “These guys (Oates police officers) were sharp enough to see the outfit wasn’t quite right, he (James Holmes) surrendered (big gulp) immediately”
“He says they practice, practice, practice the active shooter scenario, yet in the video above he says such a thing is unfathomable.”
Please watch 4:08 , where interview lady asks him “do you think you have a strong case against Mr. Holmes?” Oates says ” we will convict him, yes” ……..WTF
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/who-is-aurora-chief-police-daniel-oates/6lz2vi4
I am trying to find more videos where Oates says open shut case, etc.
Good find. It’s not really up to police to convict a suspect is it? I thought they were just supposed to collect all the evidence and then let the courts make sense of it.
He’s a shill. I saw this quote from him as well, “Oates said investigators are not able to calculate how many shots were fired in the theater but that “lots of bullets fired very quickly.”"
Oh really? Can’t count the number of bullet cases on the floor? Can’t estimate based on the number of gunshot wounds and bullet holes? Seems like crime scene investigation 101.
Oh sure, they just pop off a number and then conspiracy theorists can holler about how they were wrong afterwards.
He was misquoted. They weren’t able to calculate “at that time”. Why are you trolling a 5 month old post?
Taken from here:
Oates said investigators are not able to calculate how many shots were fired in the theater but that “lots of bullets fired very quickly.”
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_21118201/unknown-number-people-shot-at-aurora-movie-theater
Skip to the 35:00 in the video below, Oates seems to start to lose it a bit saying, “We can read into it what we want and at some point a Jury may read into it what they want.”
The two guys behind him seem to be stressed as well.
A female Journalist says a lot of victims are saying they were hit by shrapnel. -Maybe this is part of what that female doctor noticed?
He can’t even comment on Mr.Holmes behavior since arrest….? wtf How could that possibly damage the case?
Because Democracyanddespotism, Holmes was drugged out of his mind. Of course he cannot admit that in public because it will completely damage his case!
Ok last Oates Video for now…. and I like it a lot
You better Lawwwwyyyyyyyer UP!
He first mentions that they are treating the person of interest in the same way they would treat any acquaintance of James Holmes.
The later Oates says, “All the evidence we have, every single indicator is, is this is all Mr.Holmes activity and that he wasn’t particularly aided by anyone else”
Oates says, “He(Oates) hasn’t been briefed by his investigators on probably 90% of what they know”…..wtf….. this is on 7/22/12. We wouldn’t share anything with the media anyway”
Oates says, “There was a second triggering mechanism too, somehow if that was defeated there was another electronic mechanism of some sort that also would have set the whole thing off”
Interviewer actually ask, “How did that arrest go down”.
–great question.
That’s where Oates says, “There was one aspect of what he was wearing that did not fit what a swat officer might be wearing.
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“In that chaos, it is quite reasonable, that an officer might have confused him for another swat, for a swat officer or heavily armed officer that was responding to the scene.”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/police-colo-shooting-suspect-has-lawyered-up-not-cooperating/
“Not much of a gun person”? Sorry, but you’re a cop!
Corbin Dates says at the end of this interview says the shooter went off for about 15-20mins. Also he says the event from gas to escape was about 30mins.
Dates is obviously confused by the question at the end of the interview. We know that he said the movie itself had been playing for “15 to 20 minutes” before the guy came in and we know what time the show’s trailers started and we know what time the police arrived on the scene. 15 to 20 minutes of shooting is an awfully long time. Most of the people would be out of that theater in 2 minutes or less leaving the shooter hanging around twiddling his thumbs. Corbin is probably talking about how long since the movie started since that is what he said earlier.
Yeah, because if he had been inside shooting for 20 min, then he would have been shooting at the same time the police apprehended Holmes sitting in his car….
I remembered hearing this before but after the timeframe was always repeated as 60-90 secs. I’d assumed I’d misheard and never went back to check, but how can Dates explain such a very clearly phrased question. “the gunfire alone was 15 to 20 minutes”.
I also seem to remember him saying at one point that the gas was specifically not teargas, because it didn’t irritate his eyes (just made it hard for him to breath) while other witnesses say it was definitely teargas.
The details that the person of interest left his house a few hours before the shooting with a woman (normally dressed in business clothes but this time wearing construction gear) and the fact that her change of dress and her “leaving quickly” was unusual enough to attract neighbors attention. Given his later involvement in the bizzare phone threat, how has this not received more attention?
Dates clearly responds that it was about 15 to 20 minutes into the movie that the ‘man’ re-entered the theater exit door…. they were not talking about the length of time the shooting took. Listen to it again.
Also, he is asked about time between the ‘gas’ container being thrown and Dates’ escape…. which Dates says probably about 30 min….
he also said he threw himself on the floor after the gas exploded… and he probably did not leave theater until after shooter left and the police came in.. then it took time for him to get out and go to a safe zone.. probably did take about 30 minutes.
What would you call an ‘escape’? I would call it ‘getting home safe and sound’……
Dates is clearly saying the gun shots lasted 15 to 20 mins. He may be wrong….it may have felt longer than it was…..but he is definetly saying gunshots lasted 15-20 mins…..at the end of the interview when asked how long everything was from gas to escape.
Early in the interview, yes, he says that 15-20 mins into the movie the shooter entered the theater.
But, Listen to the end of the interview when asked about time duration’s, Jan10.
If the shooting started at 12:15, which I am not sure it did, then wouldn’t it be possible for shooter to fire rounds, fix jam etc for roughly for 15mins (which gets us to 12:30)? Cops didn’t officially show up on scene until 12:40 I believe, which would mean there was a 10min span of time from the last shot fired until the time Holmes was arrested.
Did the movie start at 12:00 in theater 9? Or is that when the trailers started, because if the film started at 12:00 or 12:01 that would mean the first gas can was thrown about 12:15.
12:10. It started at 12:05 in theater 8 which is why the movie was on a shooting part in theater 8 and a quiet part in theater 9. Everybody has said the shooting started 15-20 minutes into the movie, so probably around 12:30. I think it lasted more than 90 seconds.
According to Brittany Diemer’s ticket, theater 9 started at 12:05
http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/14/22/61/3222602/3/628×471.jpg
Here’s another stub confirming that
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/695114/thumbs/a-AURORA-SHOOTING-FACEBOOK-640×468.jpg?4
Theater 8 started at 12:01
https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSPsR_w3shJNQXW4PtryQnrLcSOJ15QSfnh5AhDDBYXNJv_eDls
Looks legit. This would mean the shooter entered and threw the first gas can about 12:20/12:25.
@Democracyanddespotism My interpretation is that the movie itself was 15-20 minutes in, so we need to account for previews as well (which I thought I heard a witness (Chris Jones?) say were quite long).
Maybe trailers started at 12:05. Movie maybe started 12:20. That puts Batcave scene / first gas can thrown at 12:35.
1st call to police we know of roughly 12:39. (we have to assume he had fired a few shots before this call made it to dispatch)
I think Oates says police arrived in 90sec which puts officers on the scene 12:41 (though I think there was several police there already).
12:41 – A theater employee tells Aurora police dispatchers that the suspect is STILL shooting inside Theater 9. Officers report being outside of theater.
So from above I think it is fair to say the shooter was shooting for at least 3 mins…
12:45 – Police scanner traffic indicates that a suspect in a gas mask is sighted on the south side of the theater.
—-So if officers were on the scene while he is shooting how do they not see him walk out the back door of theater 9? I mean, they knew theater 9 was the big issue where the shooter was.
—How freaking long did it take to secure the rear of the theater?
–You officially arrive at 12:41 (though I think they had several police already on scene) and it takes you 4 mins to get to the back to find a suspect just standing there?
-Which reminds me of the casual way, almost surprised way the cop on radio is like, “is that the dude by the white car?” subtext here to me is, wow something doesn’t add up, is that guy really our suspect?
12:46 – Suspect detained.
The more I read on all of this, the more confused I get.
The police report says he was arrested at 12:40.
“12:41 – A theater employee tells Aurora police dispatchers that the suspect is STILL shooting inside Theater 9. Officers report being outside of theater.”
Was that reported WHILE James was in his car??
When being interviewed, one of James Holmes neighbors said that two people besides James left his apartment every morning. One of those two people was a woman and she was always dressed in business attitre. However, the morning of the shooting she was seen leaving the apartment wearing “construction attire”. (strange) Perhaps she was a decoy. A construction worker at the time of the shooting gave the police a description of a possible suspect. I wonder, was the construction worker a woman?
can you find this witness again?
Leaving James apartment or Yeom Pyo Lee’s? See video I posted up thread.
Do you have a source for this? The interview or where you read it?
This was a reference to Yeom Pyo Lee. The woman who left in construction attire that morning left from his place, wherever that is.
So confused.
“When being interviewed, one of James Holmes neighbors said that two people besides James left his apartment every morning. One of those two people was a woman and she was always dressed in business attitre. However, the morning of the shooting she was seen leaving the apartment wearing “construction attire”.
So that is accurate or in accurate? And if it is, who said was interviewed?
You know the new cell phone footage that shows the back side of the theater and there’s no gas mask?
I think that is because the mask was laid down by rescue crews much later perhaps?
rescue crews throw away expensive gas masks? and why does the crew go in the theater? all the wounded are outside…. front and back…The swat police are inside with their masks… bringing out the wounded and leaving the dead victims inside…..
On the police scanner there was at least one mention of a critical condition wounded victim who couldn’t be moved except by trained rescue personnel. It would be a stretch to claim “all the wounded” were out of the theater.
Maybe those items get returned to said departments after investigation, I obviously don’t know, I have been asking hoping someone knows if its common for police and rescue gear tossed on the ground to be marked as evidence.
I mean 3 gas masks one of which had a hose/backpack unit and a giant police shield. Seems like a lot of sh*t.
I did see a rescue guy in one of the latest cell phone videos running to toward Holmes’ car with a white stretcher.
Though I never saw the stretcher entered as evidence (get a little yellow card). I did however see the Police Shield get a yellow card.
I don’t know much about what the yellow cards mean exactly (I assume it is for all evidence including items left on scene by police/rescue) nor do I know what would and wouldn’t be marked.
Maybe someone on the inside can set me straight, I haven’t been able to find anything very reliable online.
From a police friend, it’s highly unlikely that something like a gas mask would be left by an officer. Why? They’re responsible for it, it comes out of that officer’s pocket. It’s also sloppy to do that, muddies the crime scene. Of course officers aren’t above doing that. Still, my friend doesn’t think it’s the most likely scenario.
I confirmed with a Denver PD officer that if they leave something at the crime scene, it goes in as evidence. I asked them how unusual it would be for an officer to leave something like a gas mask at a crime scene. He said he had no idea. I assume that means he has no experience with that happening, but that’s all speculation.
Thank you, very interesting stuff kiwasabi.
Did you guys see this video on Youtube after the shooting? Because this is the first I’ve seen it. The only amateur video that ever came up was the one with the dizzying camera work. Odd that they would get the date on this one 7-19-12 wrong.
I also wonder why MSM never played this one, but always played the other one instead. At least that’s all I ever saw…
I have scene a total of 4 different youtube videos so far from the shooting.
Three of which were brand new to me like yesterday (i think these just recently leaked). I am seeing them enhanced and slow motion. To me the new videos show that PROBABLY a lot of the gas masks and gear and blood just came from victims and rescue crews in the back of the theater, where it seems cops were having victims move to for some reason.
They seem to have them all at the truthaboutjameseaganholmes facebook page and the HistoricleRecordsVLT youtube page. Most have been posted on this site as well under the James Holmes updates thread I believe.
It was easier access from the rear/emergency exit to get victims out, so they loaded them into their cars from there if they were in critical condition. Going all the way back through the lobby, plus with all the gas, made it more difficult and hazardous.
I don’t believe the video went up far enough and it was not at the right angle.
Could this be the red/orange backpack at the scene?
http://media.knoxnews.com/media/img/photos/2012/07/20/431798_t607.JPG
It could be. Do you know if the FBI ever tagged those items as evidence? I cannot see it. Thanks
My understanding is if police and or rescue left gear (ie gas masks) anywhere near the crime scene it also would be tagged as evidence? Is this true?
I know the giant police shield was tagged as evidence.
never heard of police tagging their own equipment as evidence…. and why would a police office , at a shooting event, take off his protective gear?
Back to Hardball Corbin interview for a moment, why would you have the guy who opens the door for the shooter wear a goatee if you are setting up this operation, wouldn’t you want that guy opening the door to look somewhat similar to Holmes.
Is this just them being lazy cause they know it won’t matter, or did something go wrong, or perhaps all part of the psyop? ……this dam case…..
They may be setting up the police to look bad. Corbin Dates has been getting a lot of coverage for a witness who contradicts the official story.
Just out of curiosity, where is there bad coverage of Corbin Dates?
Myself, I find it slightly odd to be obsessing over 1 witness when there had to be 600 people between theater 8 & 9, and at least some of them went out the back.
The police found victims north of the theater, how did they get there? Did they go though the lobby? Out the back exit? Why are more people not talking, did the police ask/tell them to keep quiet?
Er wait, victims north of the theater? Please source that. I’ve just heard about victims at the back exit.
My rough guess is around 8 minutes into the scanner audio, pretty sure it was in the first 10 minutes. I’ll find the exact time in the AM.
Let’s not forget the police mentioning a party in a car being shot. How long does it take a gun shot victim to get to their car?
From what I remember it took a long time for the police to secure the parking lot.
1:07? (not sure on time here, source says 28mins into police/medical scanners)
“I want no cars leaving this lot! I want this (parking) lot locked down! No cars leaving!”
1:07? / 28mins into police scanners ??….wtf why wait so long to give this order?
1:18? / 39:20 “Sending police to suspect’s address to do surveillance at this point.”
Sorry I don’t have the time here but why not send swat and bomb squad…….
A Denver Judge upheld a gag order on documents and witnesses associated with the Aurora Theater Shooting.
I wonder how many witnesses etc have spoken since the gag order
It’s kind or like Oates early on saying I can’t speculate on motive but we have a morsel of info that he may have broken up with his girlfriend or had girl problems.
Corbin always saying “I can’t speculate, but….”
Maybe Corbin is a big Red Herring. Maybe that inteview was before the gag order. Maybe Corbin will somehow be fined for breaking gag order…..I will have to do some more research.
Does anyone know if any private investigators have been commissioned to find out what happened ?
Gag order doesn’t apply to witnesses. It’s only those involved in the investigation and court case.
Private investigators require money so my guess is no.
Why would Corbin Dates be a big red herring? Because nobody went out the emergency exit at all? They only came in? It was propped open long before the movie started?
http://coloradoradio.com/2012/08/14/judge-upholds-gag-order-on-aurora-shooting/
Kind of a shitty source but this is where it is from.
As far as the red herring thing, maybe they can produce a fake red goatee found in his car, case closed.
Or maybe it’s false hope.
Just speculating like a motherf**er over here.
But for the time being I will assume Corbin is legit. Sounds like he is a very emotional guy which makes me think his stories are not so accurate (not on purpose), like the 15-20mins of shooting thing….
Exit door was propped open long before the movie started…. ‘trailers’ ran before the main movie….that feels like along time.. (watching previews) before your main movie comes on!
Corbin is not a red herring…
and why pick on him? “speculate”…. doesn’t have firm evidence…
but he can tell what he did see….. he cannot say who was in the shooter’s outfit, but he can say the man had a goatee….
you’re taking an honest witness and trying to destroy him?
with your own mis-information?
I don’t think he is a red herring I was just speculating based on this comment
“They may be setting up the police to look bad. Corbin Dates has been getting a lot of coverage for a witness who contradicts the official story.”-yesthewill
I say in my reply I think Corbin is legit……
and at this point I am concerned for his safety.
I wasn’t trying to put out “mis-info” I clearly say maybe this maybe that just thinking out loud. I guess that is not very productive but didn’t mean to put out “dis-info”.
The police took all their phones. The shooting went on for 10+ minutes before police showed up, despite one news report stating that police were there from the beginning. Something is extremely wrong. I bet there’s a ton of video and audio of the whole incident. Unfortunately I doubt it will ever be shown at the trial.
shooting did not go on for 10 min… Corbin says the shooting started about when the movie had been running about 15 to 20 minutes…
police did take take the phones…. many of the people ran out and got into their cars and left…. before police set up perimeter…
and the police were busy with Homes and wounded victims…
The official story is that a drugged man, sitting in a white car with a gas mask and weapon, did the shooting… almost every thing else contradicts this story..
the police were doing their jobs… but something else has interfered with the police … something bigger than them… ?
Chief Oates is CIA. He knows exactly what happened.
Plus he just started like a couple months before. The last chief got indicted on some sexual harassment charges in like march
Actually that was in 2005. But he was head of NYPD Intelligence up until a month before 9/11.
Yeah. I think Oates is about as crooked as they get.
Hold up. Are you guys saying Chief Oates was CIA in 2005 and head of NYPD?
I cannot find the source of this repeated quote… “Oates retired from the New York Police Department in 2001 after a 21-year career. He served as safety services administrator in Ann Arbor, Michigan, the home of the University of Michigan, designated by former CIA director Richard Helms as one of the five top CIA-Advance Research Projects Agency (ARPA) [now known as the Defense Advance Research Projects Agency, or DARPA] “behavioral science” research campuses, along with Yale, M.I.T., U.C.L.A, and the University of Hawaii. In 2005, Oates left Ann Arbor to take up his present position in Aurora.Oates’s last job with the NYPD was as the chief of the intelligence division. As a member of Police Commissioner Howard Safir’s executive staff, Oates’s prepared, according to The New York Daily News, a daily intelligence briefing for Safir, which lasted some two hours. Oates’s would have conceivably had access to a wide spectrum of intelligence information, including Drug Enforcement Administration, FBI, and other federal agency reports on the suspicious activities of a number of Israeli “art students” and “office movers” in the year leading up to the 9/11 attack on New York’s World Trade Center.”
If true… wow!
Yeah, they made a mistake…. they forgot that some people don’t particular like the previews… some people are just looking around and paying attention… like Corbin Dates who does notice and remembers ….
They didn’t make a ton of mistakes though, unfortunately. This is leap years better hidden than 9/11, where they were just blatant about it. Unluckily for them, though, this isn’t Fort Hood where they can order all military personnel not to talk about what really went down.
Here’ a playlist of all 3 press conferences.
Oh Oates…..
Interview lady asks him “do you think you have a strong case against Mr. Holmes?” Oates says ” we will convict him, yes”
Oates says, “All the evidence we have, every single indicator is, is this is all Mr.Holmes activity and that he wasn’t particularly aided by anyone else” —-wtf?
Sources are above in this very thread when I start going off on Oates Q&A’s.
This is why I say he’s in on it.
And that wording, “wasn’t PARTICULARLY”…such an odd choice of words.
LOL….
This is hot video
I really wonder when the police dept officially stopped investigating the possibility of a second shooter, feels like it was just hours after the shooting Oates says something to the effect that they are 100% sure there was only one shooter and it was Holmes.
So if the investigation ended early and all resources were put on the apartment bomb, gathering evidence about Holmes, and other tasks there is no reason for the Police Dept to look at these security cameras, that aspect of the case is closed.
Their investigation is geared only around convicting Holmes. They ignore any evidence that doesn’t suit that purpose. Oates is in on this, I promise you that.
Video of a witness I’ve never seen before. She’s definitely more believable, than the “regulars” who made the media rounds.
She mentions an alarm going off.
Alarm saying “murder in the theatre”?
“Emergency in the theater” most likely just misunderstood while panicking.
I agree with kiwasabi, I have heard a few witnesses saying that an alarm went off that said “emergency in the theater”.
Just like mergers and acquisitions can sound like murders and executions -american psycho :0
I have been hearing conflicting stories as to when the alarms started to go off.
One person said the alarm went off right at the beginning another said the alarm went off when the shooter was done.
Would be interesting to know when the alarm went off, I would guess near the end of everything because I would think most eyewitnesses would have mentioned it when telling the story of the gunman entering the theater.
Whenever the first call went in to 911 from the theater I’d imagine. So probably around 12:37-12:38
If it went off near the end, I wonder what it was that set it off…
Well clearly the shooter tried to keep everybody in the theater. It also seems to have been timed to where a shooting scene was happening in many of the OTHER nearby theaters, so that made them slower to react.
She states that they were shooting outside and they were not sure if they should go outside because thats were they were shooting….
She also says…she does not know who did the shooting but states ” they had shotguns”
You mention shotguns, and it reminded me of an interview in which a witness said that two police officers inside the lobby had shotguns.
I wonder if it’s customary for police officers or SWAT to wield shotguns in an active crime scene. I mean, I would think it would be easier to dash around and wield a handgun, but then again, I know nothing about law enforcement.
An Arapahoe County Sheriff on the police scanner actually turned around and grabbed his rifle to bring with him. So I don’t think it’s unlikely. Of course it’s also possible the shooters blended back in with the police and SWAT. Seems likely they did that at the Sikh Temple. However with the revised death toll from 14 to 12, it’s also possible they were shot and killed.
One other thought is that if both shooters were dressed exactly the same, if they stayed far enough apart it would appear as there was only one shooter to most people. The officer on the scanner said it sounded like one shooter came into theater 9 through the emergency exit, and another one came into theater 9 after exiting theater 8. However, it’s unlikely that the shooter who was in theater 8 would’ve been pre-dressed in all that tactical gear. So he must’ve been the guy in the white and blue plaid shirt.
Ya, I find it really odd that Holmes could have “gotten away” if only he had the right mask or whatever piece of gear gave him away….
Is it that easy to slip in with arriving law enforcement?
If you have the right cover story you could get away with it. And being as this was the CIA, they know just about everything. Oates even said they would’ve mistaken Holmes for SWAT if he didn’t have the weird gas mask with the hose attached to the backpack.
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ab501f3aae.jpg
By the way, someone suggested something very interesting about this particular gas mask/oxygen tank getup. That instead of putting oxygen in the tank, they could’ve filled it with “Devil’s Breath” sucopamine or something along those lines. It could’ve messed him up for a very long time, or permanently. If he wasn’t getting enough oxygen it definitely could’ve caused brain damage.
“Oates even said they would’ve mistaken Holmes for SWAT if he didn’t have the weird gas mask with the hose attached to the backpack.” – Kiwasabi
Any source on this, both the part about the mask being the out of place item and the part about the mask that was outta place had hose and back pack.
Here is all I could find:
“Holmes, 24, also did not immediately surrender as police initially said he did, instead blending into the swarm of officers with his black clothes and bulletproof gear. Aurora’s top law enforcement official contends the gunman might have been mistaken for a SWAT team officer if it hadn’t been for the sharp eye of one officer, reportedly tipped off by Holmes groin protector and throat guard.”
-http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/07/23/072312-news-colorado-shooting-1-4/
Oates said a piece of equipment in Holmes’s elaborate gear — he would not specify which piece — struck one of the responding officers as irregular. -CBS face the nation
Media wants to cover that up huh?
“”There was one particular piece of equipment that he had on him that was out of place, and I am so proud of my officers that they spotted that right away and challenged him,” Oates said.
That piece of equipment was a non-regulation gas mask. Holmes was arrested at the scene.”
http://www.krtv.com/mobile/story.cfm?n=39820
That’s pretty crazy seeing as both our sources go to CBS face the nation.
Still doesn’t say it was the gas mask with the hose and back pack.
All 3 of the masks I have seen look different from each other.
and this still conflicts
“reportedly tipped off by Holmes groin protector and throat guard.”
-which may very well be B.S.
Not sure what to believe…..
Throat guard and groin protector? Certainly wouldn’t have noticed that he was wearing a cup. A throat guard though? That’s still fairly trivial. “Reportedly” or “sources say” are generally bs I think.
I have to wonder if someone was actually shooting out in the lobby as well.
Nice observation Fredrick
” 5 mins after the guy comes running in and tells them they are shooting outside, you hear the alarm go off”
Sounds to me like police tried to have people stay in theater 8 so they would be “safe”?
Maybe they felt better to stay in 8 then be running through the lobby or out the back exits.
NBC’s DATELINE FALSIFIED FORENSIC STATEMENTS OF KEY AURORA SHOOTING WITNESS, CORBIN DATES.
http://darkknighttruth.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/nbcs-dateline-falsified-forensic-statements-of-key-aurora-shooting-witness-corbin-dates/
Nice link. I really like this part:
[The unnamed federal official also told the AP:
“Holmes is believed to have propped open an exit door in the theater as the movie was playing, donned protective ballistic gear, re-entered about a half-hour into the film and opened fire.“
So the unnamed federal official has backed up the accuracy of Dates’ statement, while also embellishing things into that statement that Dates never said. But why does a federal official feel comfortable in stating this important conclusion to the assembled world media, while at the same time refuse to be named? What’s that all about?]
Reminds me when Oates says “I can’t talk about motive, but there is a morsel (yes a morsel) of evidence he (Holmes) had girl problems”
Really, you can’t speculate but you are going to talk about something you have a “morsel” of info on……wtf
If Holmes was alone why would he be making gestures for someone to come over to where he was?
When the government first announced 9/11 as “An act of terrorism”, it was done by an “anonymous US official”. The newscaster couldn’t even believe what he was reading, he knew that was a very bad sign.
Ya, Just like 911 a ton of officials say how unfathomable the event was and no one would ever expect something like this, yet they train for such an event all the time…
I just recalled something that, while I’m unable to provide evidence of, strikes me as significant. Right after the shooting, I remember visiting a British newspaper online and reading that the shooter pretended to take a phone call, exited the theater and left the door propped open, only to return later in full gear.
What strikes me as odd is that I read this in a British publication long before any US publications picked up the story. It’s almost as if the story had been pre-made, ready to go for dissemination, or already on hand. It was very, very unusual.
The only witness so far who has publicly reported seeing the guy on the cell phone is Corbin Dates. If the British newspaper took its info from an early interview with Corbin, there’s no way they could have concluded that Holmes was the one who propped open the door, based upon his statements. Nor would they have had a need to concoct the story (what’s wrong with saying that the shooter got in when a movie-goer accidentally left the exit door open?). It seems pretty evident that all these lies were immediately available and released to the press for the very specific purpose of tying up the story in a neat bow so the public wouldn’t scratch beneath the surface and question what really happened.
JFK assassination was reported in an Australian newspaper before it happened. WTC7 was reported TWICE as having collapsed long before it did. Most notable was on BBC where WTC7 can still be seen standing in the background.
Whoa!
Great blog article!
My conclusions mirror yours: although we may not have learned what exact role Holmes played or didn’t play in this tragedy, we HAVE learned one thing: the media is FULL of outrageous lies and cannot be trusted for a minute. Not that I trusted the media before, but I never fathomed that this full-on National-Inquirer-like style of reporting is as continuous and pervasive as actually is! It makes you wonder what other lies we’ve been fed–not just the obvious stuff, but the small, day-to-day stories that we simply accept.
I guess when you’re vying for viewership and sponsorship–money, essentially–the more sensationalized your story, the better. Money really is the root of all evil…
God article…. worth reading !!
sorry…. I meant ‘good article’ …. sorry
Random thought: Holmes’ gutteral-sounding freaky voicemail message said, “Hi, this is James, and we’re not home” according to a quote allegedly made by the owner of the gun club that Holmes allegedly applied to.
Why would his voicemail say “This is James,” when all his friends knew him as Jimmy, and even his (probably-fake) social media handle was “ClassicJimbo.” I would think that he would refer to himself as Jim, no? I mean, if you’re going to use a freakish voice on your answering machine, why try to sound professional by using “James.”
Kinda doubt that he created that voicemail message, unless he suffers from split personalities and “James” is one of ‘em! lol
Source please.
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/07/23/072312-news-colorado-shooting-1-4/
Somebody just posted this here a few minutes ago. I am not going to keep reposting videos and links that have already been posted in multiple locations on this website. Sorry.
I would assume that the “we’re” refers to him and The Joker, except that Holmes never said he was The Joker! So, the media’s spin on the voicemail story–that the fake gutteral voice was supposed to be The Joker–is baseless and is completely unfounded!!! We have zero evidence that Holmes had ANY fixation on the character, The Joker. All we have is a report that he allegedly had a batman mask and poster in his apartment, I think.
I have no source, sorry, but I remember a few articles saying Holmes lived with 2 roommates. Maybe that is the “we are not home” part.
The famous 2 roommate story that got mysteriously scrubbed off the internet.
Interesting, all the stories I had read up till now had Rotkovich saying the message was incoherent and he could only make out a few words (like this story http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/07/22/gun-range-owner-speaks-about-shooting-suspects-bizarre-answering-machine-message/#more-91929) so I had never seen where he said “this is James, we’re not home.”
So does that mean he allegedly had a home phone? You wouldn’t say “we’re not home” on a cell phone voicemail, because you would take it with you. Wonder why he would incur the expense of having a home phone line if he had a cell phone (or 2).
Oops, I glanced over this:
“Holmes, 24, also did not immediately surrender as police initially said he did, instead blending into the swarm of officers with his black clothes and bulletproof gear”.
I’m not sure I believe that. I guess they want to get away from the original story that he was in the car when they found him?
It is still quite possible Holmes was walking around near his car (yes I have listened to the 911/Emergency dispatch, I mean whatever drug he is on now/brain damage etc seems to allow him the ability walk around, sit down/stand up.
Seems fair to assume he would even have the ability to follow a simple order like “stand here” perhaps behind the theater.
On that note I wanted to squeeze a Sherlock Holmes quotes into this, forgive me I couldn’t help myself:
“It is of the highest importance in the art of detection to be able to recognize, out of a number of facts, which are incidental and which vital. Otherwise your energy and attention must be dissipated instead of being concentrated.
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“We must fall back upon the old axiom that when all other contingencies fail, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”
I wanted to squeeze two Sherlock Holmes quotes into this, forgive me I couldn’t help myself:
Ok so the police are switching stories so we should too.
Is that the dude in the white car? –
this, to me, doesn’t mean Holmes was sitting in the car in drugged out stupor.
Maybe the officer saw him earlier in the white car? I am just saying
Holmes may of had some mobility and got out of the car. The stretcher under the car may certainly have been for a victim, we just don’t know.
If you can prove Holmes was sitting in that white car when they got there then you can tear the official story to shreds because Oates line about the uniform difference would be out the f**king window.
Don’t you think a guy from SWAT sitting in Holmes care would be one crazy assumption by the officer on scene.
“Hey officers I see a swat guy in this white car but his gear looks legit, I don’t see anything outta place” -Over
WTF, Wow so it looks like they tried to turn the corner and get rid of the “surrendering” story, lol.
“In a television interview, Oates laid out how his officers captured Holmes, painting a far different picture than first reports of the shooter surrendering at his Hyundai in the movie theater parking lot.”
……painting a FAR different picture than first reports….
“Officers might have mistaken Holmes for a SWAT officer except for one piece of his black gear that gave him away, Oates said. One officer spotted the irregularity, which Oates refused to describe, and made the arrest.
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/07/23/072312-news-colorado-shooting-1-4/
Can someone explain to me how SWAT works–are there always officers on standby at the station, ready to gear up and be on scene in under 5 minutes?
Lies and more lies. Yet you’re choosing to buy some of them.
I really get tripped up here… “in the white car”! So thru a two door sporty car with no back seat and dark tinted windows.. police can see a man in swat gear that deviated from their own?
Is this normal for a swat guy to be in a civilian car? Doubt that.
Do we even really know if this was JH’s car? TN plates?
Maybe a passed out guy falling out of a car that is in swat gear? A guy under some mind command is seen getting in the car then pops drugs? A guy trying to find a get away car after dropping his weapons and bashes in windows in an odd rage or disorientation?
Just the windows being bashed out, even the tiny one on the back passenger side along with cops noticing that his gear was different from ‘real swat’ cops? Mind boggling! and confusing.
Jan10
I have some questions specifically for you regarding some things you said.
“All that gear that the police are examining and tagging… who was wearing that? Because now they claim that Holmes was sitting in the car with his gear on…. and they took him to jail with it on…… and that chest protection piece up near the exit entrance…. tagged with a number… who wore that?
Does protective gear come in sizes? Could they tell if the gear was the correct size for Holmes? Could he possibly have worn all of that stuff? and still walked?”
What’s your source for them taking him into custody wearing all the tactical gear?
“The back of the theater had many cars parked and some movie goers ran out the back and jumped in their cars and took off.. before police could begin to control the scene…. I wonder if those construction workers saw a man in tactical gear strip off gear and take off in a gray car? They might have thought they were watching a police officer?”
Where did the theory on the gray car come from?
kiwasabi,
I’ll have to go through about a 1,000 comments…
someone reported that a cell mate said the police brought in Holmes wearing his tactical gear, the police took it all off right in front of everybody, and Holmes was wearing red clothes and was painted red , (I don’t believe all that).. but
again someone reported that the police recognized the odd piece of gear he was wearing while Holmes could have been taken for a regular swat team member (saying he was in full gear when he was found and apprehended)
we all know Holmes was apprehended while sitting in his white car… windows up…. officer broke the window to get door open…that’s in the
police voice recording of police radio…
now, if Holmes was sitting in his car with all that gear on…. then I ask, who was wearing all the other gear? enough gear is lying around to cover two people..
I believe the officer (over the police radio) said that Holmes was spotted sitting inside the car… knew he had the suspect because Holmes HAD a mask and weapons with him…… police did not say Holmes was wearing a mask……
Another commentator put out a video of a police recording of confusing info about police interested in a possible suspect leaving in a charcoal colored car (gray)…..
so after the info about the construction group working on street behind theater during movie time… I just wondered if any construction worker might have noticed such a car taking off in such a hurry with police going after it?
the gray car could have easily been a movie viewer getting away …
going home to be safe?
I’ll try to find those recordings and info… it might take a while…
so much has been reported here.
“Another commentator put out a video of a police recording of confusing info about police interested in a possible suspect leaving in a charcoal colored car (gray)…..”
The only police scanner reference I found to that is the below quote. But that doesn’t reference the charcoal-colored Hyundai with Tennessee plates.
Aurora PD Police Scanner
2:42
“We have an RP calling in, he thought he saw a vehicle fleeing the scene of the shooting, it was an older cop type car, primer gray with tinted windows, driving at a high rate of speed going to I-225. But that was two hours ago.”
“someone reported that a cell mate said the police brought in Holmes wearing his tactical gear, the police took it all off right in front of everybody, and Holmes was wearing red clothes and was painted red”
I really want to clear up whether or not they took off his gear at the scene.
here is one link (found it on one of the articles on this blog)
this link talks about finding Holmes wearing full gear… but notice that it does not say if Holmes was sitting in his car or not…
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/23/us/online-ammunition-sales-highlighted-by-aurora-shootings.html?_r=3&pagewanted=2
still looking for the other links… will try to find more tomorrow.
some of these Aurora articles on this blog has soooo many comments and they are all worth reading…. but like looking for a needle in a haystack..
Thanks, Jan. Also, I was just playing devil’s advocate about Corbin Dates earlier. Wasn’t intentionally spreading disinfo. He seems very credible and consistent to me. I think mainstream media is *forced* to cover him because he’s the only witness who seems to have seen someone open the emergency door from inside the theater.
How ineffective are these mental health professionals if he’s seeing them, but meanwhile allegedly making all these elaborate plans and purchases. It is not like they claim he “snapped,” they say he planned for months… but seeing mental health people all that time…. almost like they made it worse or made sure he got framed. -D.D.Cover
So true once again trying to have it both ways, if he was so disturbed at school and almost put on the Minority Report Pre-crime how can you not know the guy ordered a lot of the this stuff to the school itself?….wtf 6000 rounds of ammo, learned how to create complex bombs and ordered whatever he needed for those (where did he learn those skills?), purchased all those weapons, and a complete set of body armor including gas mask (all in a relatively short amount of time)….
This is a farse or epic proportions, they are wise to conceal as many facts as possible, lock the evidence down as fast as possible this will allow people to use the theories presented by the MSM to make biased decisions.
No kidding. They had a meeting about a kid that threatened a professor with a pencil in his eye, but somehow the most dangerous of them all fell through the cracks? WTF is going on! You bet your a$$ that university could be doctoring docs as we speak. Someone screwed up royally.
Also, from a psychological point of view, this is why I am having such a hard time with the official narrative of the story. As a psych undergrad and mental health therapy grad student (almost finished) I feel I have some authority to talk about the mental health aspect of this case seeing as many commenters on other msm sites feel they are qualified to discuss his mental state /-: sarcasm. So there are only a few things he could possibly have assuming he did in fact commit the crime. One, antisocial personality. This however does not fit because he does not have a history of conduct disorder or frequent run in’s with the law, as well as the descriptions from family and friends paint a rosy picture of him as recent as December when friend Ritchie Duong saw a movie with him in downtown Los Angeles. Antisocial-almost 100% positive its unlikely. Narcissistic personality disorder, also possible but highly unlikely due to past descriptions of him. That leaves schizophrenia, schizotypal PD, schizo PD, and schizophreniform. All very similar in hallucination, delusions, etc. The problem with diagnosing in the schizo family however is that he did not have past violent behavior, a precursor to a violent schizophrenic (i.e., shooting up the movie theater) I find it hard to believe that his mental state would deteriorate in only 4 months to when he bought the first riffle in may, especially since he was not violent before. Other possibilities-brain tumor (also very very rare) or MI+drugs, but he still functioned in school save for the last oral exam so that makes it hard for me to believe that either. These conjectures of mine, plus the evidence that doesn’t exactly add up is driving me absolutely batty and makes me think there is more to the story than we are getting. All of this is IMO.
Also another thing, if he was truly schizo I can’t imagine his classmates and professors not seeing something seriously up (hallucinations, delusions, rambling, weird comments,). This whole case is just weird.
Ok last thing. lol. Jared Loughner. He was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic and you know what, I totally believe it. Thing is, there were signs with Jared as far back as high school, only gradually getting worse up to about a year before the shooting. Holmes, nothing, nada. It just doesn’t make sense. Ok, stepping off my soap box.
I didn’t look into the AZ shooting as much as this one, but JLL definitely left behind indications that something was wrong. Remember those Youtube videos in which he was rambling on like crazy? If something was fishy about that shooting (which I don’t know) I think he’d be more of a candidate of some sort of programming.
The brain tumor option is something I hadn’t considered. As with all the others though it has to account not simply from how he went from years of stability and a lack of evidence of abnormal behavior to (within the space of at maximum 1.5 months) an unemotional but incredibly well-organized killer, and from that to (within the space of a day) a near zombie who seems in a state of shell-shock/drugged stupor. You have A – B – C and some people saying, “well this could explain A & B” (but not C), or “this could explain “B & C” (but not A).
That ‘oral exam’…. so strange to claim he failed it…. you know… that is something that can really be falsified…
You know it’s funny, now they’re saying he was failing and “advised to pursue another career”….You gotta be kidding.
I seriously read somewhere a while back that it was not even an exam you could fail, it was more like a get-together with the teachers to discuss progress. I will try to find the article I was reading but may not have time tonight.
Yeah the head of the program, find her name. Theres an article where she talks about how surprised she was that he go crazy over that exam, because it was notoriously too easy to pass, you can’t really fail. You can retake it and improve on what you did poorly. There’s a pdf manual for the neuroscience program on the university of colorado anschutz website that explains the oral exam.
This is the pdf manual for the neuroscience program I think this is where they talk about the oral exam http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/medicalschool/programs/Neuroscience/Curriculum/Documents/nsp_handbook.pdf
8/23/12 CENTENNIAL, Colo. (AP) — The former graduate student accused in a deadly mass shooting at a Colorado movie theater had been banned from his college after making threats and failing a key exam six weeks before the rampage, prosecutors said Thursday.
So he was “banned” from college for making threats and failing a key exam? Guess their BETA Minority Report Group really dropped the ball on this one, starting to look like this Jimmy Holmes guy was an easy pre-arrest, what with all the ammo,gear,weapons,bomb making material ordered to home and shcool……………………….give me a fu*king break……….
It’s all irrelevant. All that video proves is that tons of kids were seeing mental health professionals as well and that James Holmes was no exception in any way except now he’s supposedly a murderer.
It’s a well established trick of the psy-op and black-op murders (IF this was one, I don’t know yet) to get rid of the crime scene altogether and all evidence gradually “disappeared” by e time the criminal trial is complete, so that no further investigation can be carried out by independent parties… And here is the beginning of the campaign started to that end on aurora….
http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/08/21/aurora-dark-knight-shooting/
A mystery is only a mystery as long as it remains uninvestigated.
We will never see that crime scene ourselves anyway. I hope they will reopen the theater. Destroying the theater is almost like revenge.
I wonder if they will have a reenactment in the theater with all (or most) of the witnesses for the investigation. Isn’t that the standard practice?
Well, Anschutz (who the school is named after) is in the theater industry himself and Century 16 is one of his biggest competitors. I’m pretty sure the goal is to have that place shut down permanently.
anybody notice this yet? I think this is bombshell info
Wow, where did you find this?
It’s in the new Bonnie Kate Rescue cell phone footage.
That’s the man who was wailing in pain in the video about the woman with the broken leg-who was carried to the back. I thought he was just a victim. (I don’t know how he got all the way over there though).
Yeah and it was his arm later too
We are working on matching up the police tapes to the Bonnie Kate Rescue Video,
Chris P, did you see my post putting the 4 minute mark of your full length Bonnie K P cell coverage happening at 12:59am/1:00am as per the fire rescue radio chatter in the background matching with the 20:26 mark of the scanner audio? http://itsalwayssunnyin1984.blogspot.ca/2012/08/aurora-shooting-victim-bonnie-kate.html?m=1
Why are you saying he was carried to the back. That Bonnie Kate Video only shows her being carried back there
Does anyone know if Corbin is the only person anywhere at anytime to see someone leave theater 9 to take a “phone call”?
Had to seem strange someone going out the back exit to take a call.
There just had to be more eyeballs on that.
WTF
yeah funny how the police are basing their whole theory on the statement of one witness, but they ignore the goatee part of his statement. The police interviewed all the witnesses, the news only interviewed a few. I would like to know what all those witness statements say in em
It’s kind of weird that Corbin and Jennifer were at the movies together, and she never mentioned it. At least I haven’t seen her talk about it, and nobody’s asked her the question.
I wonder how Jennifer could describe everything so vividly when she claims to have been crouched to the floor.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48285530/ns/msnbc-hardball_with_chris_matthews/t/hardball-chris-matthews-friday-july/#.UDfWx8GPWSo
Artist sketches for 8/23/12 court hearing, I know they are just sketches but he still has that “lobotomized look about him” imo.
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.162985827172371.38513.151913161612971&type=3
I noticed the previous artists pictures seemed to be (inaccurately) making him look like the picture of him on match.com by highlighting his ‘moustache’ – which he didn’t actually have in court. The pic with the photoshopped girl is the only one were he looks menacing and yet his defense team seem to be going out of their way to help create that image. They should have shaved off the red hair immediately but maybe there’s a specific reason why they couldn’t. No excuse at all to have him shaved yet growing out sideburns and a moustache that make him more threatening.
Since they’re most likely not trying to do anything but go for the insanity plea I guess it makes sense for them to let him keep his disheveled appearance.
His scowl in his first “no camera” court appearance sketch is priceless. Shows a huge scowl and looks like he has a bad attitude…
Why would Oates who has been so tight lipped about details in this case tell everyone very shortly after the arrest that James Holmes say he had booby trapped his apartment? Isn’t that something that you would want to keep a lid on, at least initially?
A. It’s weird as hell that he would booby trap his place possibly hoping to kill neighbors/police and then tell/warn the police about it.
B. Why would Oates tell the press about that right away(if anyone has the time frame when Oates told the press about the booby trapped apartment I would like to know)?
Oates won’t comment on anything Holmes said or did upon arrest…. OH wait …..
but he will tell us Holmes actually told the police he wired his apartment with bombs. Really strikes me as odd.
I don’t think Oates ever said that Holmes said the Joker line but I’m not sure (and as far as I know that Joker line was fabricated.)
…going on a tangent here but I am pretty sure Holmes’ mom can sue the sh*t out of abc and/or that reporter for horrendously misrepresenting her phone conversation the night of the shooting, I mean that was downright evil (even if it was sensationalism journalism).
ABC made up the “I am the joker” line too. They referenced an NYPD cop who Oates talked to the night of the shooting as their source. However, what I think happened is Oates said, “He looks like the joker”, which ABC then spun into Holmes saying, “I am the joker”. They’ve been framing him from the start.
It’s worth mentioning also that ABC still stands firm that Arlene Holmes said, “You have the right person” in regards to James Holmes. They are nothing but propagandists.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/alleged-colorado-gunman-james-holmes-family-stand-son/story?id=16840162#.UDWmKKBjNel
The person who started the “I’m the Joker” lie is Ray Kelly, NY Police Commissioner (since 2002…). Excuse my French, but why the f*** would this guy give statements about a shooting that happened in Colordao the morning after anyway? Besides the fact that I guess maybe him and Oates are buddies, both crooked as all hell. It’s worth mentioning that this is the same moron that’s currently under fire for having been spying on Muslims for years.
What makes me sick is that because the crime was so heinous it seems less important to find out what happened and far more important to crucify someone and do it fast.
Some sick, sick sh*t. This case is too heinous and horrible to discuss the detail, since this guy Holmes probably did it he deserves to die NOW!!
A few of the earlier articles I went back to revisit some insane sh*t…
Good Morning America – Fri, Jul 20, 2012
The suspected “lone-wolf” shooter of the Batman movie theater massacre in Aurora, Colo.
Federal law enforcement sources tell ABC News that Holmes bought a ticket to the movie, slipped out of the theater once it began and propped open the emergency exit before gathering his weapons and gear and coming back into the theater.
Huff Post 7/25/12
The suspect in the worst mass shooting in U.S. history had a Batman poster in his bedroom, allegedly told arresting officers that he was “The Joker,” and dyed his hair red in an apparent attempt to imitate that classic villain.
I just loved the correction here….
CORRECTION: A previous version of this post stated that the fictional character of the Joker has red, rather than green, hair.
Glad they cleared that up!
Well, I guess this is how we do “justice” in our modern first world. People are tried in the court of public opinion, evidence is made up, mishandled, interpreted falsely, and left out. All the while our Media is peddling misinformation to go right along with it.
Let’s all be proud of how we do things around here.
Apparently reality has now caught up with the the psychic court artist who drew this sketch (with moustache and mutton chops) back on August 9th.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/17/james-holmes-court-appearance-victims_n_1795932.html
That sketch artist was garbage. That did not look like James at all, more like a man in his 30′s.
Don’t know if anyone has posted this link:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48771451/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/#.UDd8FaCaDRQ
They have decided to prove that Holmes wanted revenge….for the failing oral exam…. and the school reports that Holmes threatened them numerous times…and it was reported to the police…
they are going to try to block any mental illness claims….
evidently they want a ‘death’ sentence…. after all, Homes would eventually be able to talk…. ?
they are not looking at any evidence of two shooters … just Holmes…
**someone asked if more than one witness saw a man go to the theater exit door….Yes, I remember reading that several witnesses remarked about that… but Corbin was the one who watched the man get up… and walk to the door…. etc.
Look in the first two Aurora articles and read the comments… many videos are posted and witness information.
if you look to the left side of your screen when you are on ‘American Everyman’ front page….. and scroll down and you will see ‘tag’ info…. Aurora articles were all tagged as ‘Aurora’….. click on the tag of ‘Aurora’ and wordpress will pull up all the Aurora articles… usually by most current date going toward the oldest date…
you all probably know this… but just in case anyone does not..
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57499576/school-denies-banning-holmes-before-alleged-rampage/
Whats telling about the MSNBC link you posted are the comments…..almost all of the comments are talking about the death penalty……I believe them to be paid trolls……interesting because they are trying to shape public opinion in the direction of the death penalty in this case…….I imagine that way we would never hear from james Holmes again if he were to be put to death…..
Look at the comments section…its weird.
Being somewhat of a noob here, tips on how to navigate the site are very helpful, thanks jan10.
Witness Brittany Diemer claims she pulled the fire alarm as she was running out of theater 9 within a couple minutes of the start of shooting. I haven’t seen this video on YouTube, you’ll have to go to http://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/massacre-aurora-030019278.html to see it.
Hey everyone, what do you make of the latest? Supposedly James made threats back in March, and they were reported to the police?
I love how the media headlines are stating he was “barred” from the university when in reality, all withdrawing students lose their access card.
This is the FIRST time I have ever seen it mentioned that James’ family was in the courtroom.
http://www.rttnews.com/1953910/james-holmes-barred-from-school-for-threats-before-colorado-theater-shooting.aspx?type=gn&utm_so
The media reports continue to distort and embellish, making it difficult to make confident inferences from what they report. The motion documents released today include the following statement by the prosecution:
2. Evidence gathered so far indicates: (1) the defendant had convesations with a classmate about wanting to kill people in March, 2012, and that he would do so when his life was over; (2) that he failed his graduate school oral boards at the University of Colorado in June 2012; (3) that he was denied access to the school after June 12, 2012 after he made threats to a professor at the school; (4) that he subsequently started the process to voluntarily withdraw from his graduate studies program, and was in the process of completing that withdrawal at the time that the offense occurred; and (5) that, after he was denied access to the CU-Denver Anschutz campus he began a detailed and complex plan to obtain firearms, ammunition, a tear-gas grenade, body armor, a gas-mask, and a ballistic helmet, which were used in the commission of the murders and the attempted murders.
The context of the March statements is unclear, and could have been along the lines of, “God, Prof X makes me so mad I just want to kill him.” The “threats [made] to a professor” are also unclear, and could have amounted to threats to report him for misconduct or any of a million innocent things.
The allegations made by the prosecution are serious, but are also undoubtedly already made as strongly as possible — the even stronger implications made by the media can’t really be taken seriously.
True, it’s unfortunate though that what the media puts out there…like James was “barred from the university” gets swallowed up by the public.
These articles running in the MSM even show how desperately the prosecution is spinning lies:
“During the hearing, Pearson said Holmes was banned from the CU campus and had his key-card access to secure areas of buildings on the Anschutz Medical Campus revoked. But CU spokeswoman Jacque Montgomery asserted that neither was true.”
Good. I hope this contradiction harms their credibility.
What’s crazy is that the prosecution is playing the angle that Holmes snapped after failing his oral exam, which by some accounts wasn’t even an exam in the traditional sense and certainly not the end of the road for anyone who received less-than-stellar feedback on it. From what I’ve read, it wasn’t a “pass or flunk out” type of thing.
The prosecution wants us to believe that Holmes then began stockpiling weapons within a two-month window of time, learned to become an expert shooter (who, according to reports, achieved a staggering 50% hit rate), and sophisticated bomb expert. REALLY?? We’re expected to believe this??
Someone just had to sprinkle in the story about an off-hand comment to a fellow student in March for good measure, but that actually harms the prosecution’s story that the (almost meaningless) oral boards were what drove Holmes to go on a killing spree. And not a killing spree that targeted the individuals whom he allegedly threatened–not a shooting on campus, where any disgruntled homicidal student would logically go if he harbored rage against his school. No! We’re to believe he took out his rage against high-browed academics and academia on Batman lovers at a movie theater located in and around working-class communities. Wtf?
I don’t buy the “he made threats” thing for one moment. The dude was reportedly “the same old Jimmy” when he spent time with his friend in December. Then only three months later, he suddenly acquires a desire to kill someone before his life is about to end? THEN, he becomes some kind of marksman, teargas canister maker, and bomb expert a few short months later? COME ON. And not only that, unless he had hopes for getting killed by police or committing suicide, it didn’t appear that his life was about to end (helmet, gas mask, body armor, etc.). The “I want to kill people when my life is about to end” thing is what a murder-suicide criminal might say. Whoever committed this crime clearly did not want or expect to die.
After not hearing a peep from Yeom Pyo Lee in a month, it is interesting to see that he filed a motion yesterday “to intervene for access to judicial records & to present newly discovered withheld evidence.”
Where did you see this?
It is in the Register of Actions released today by the court:
http://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/18th_Judicial_District/18th_Courts/12CR1522/2012-08-24%20Register%20of%20Actions%2008-17-12%20to%2008-23-12_txt.pdf
Second item on the second page.
Wow!!!! Wow!!! Wow!!! Let’s keep our eyes on this!
I am a bit concerned about the validity of that motion. There is a link to it on the Allison Michele Ernst blog – seems to me that it may not be motion filed by Mr. Lee but by Ernst – who is obviously a weirdo…
Here’s a link:
http://yeompyolee.blogspot.com/2012/08/yeom-pyo-lee-file-motion-to-intervene.html
Huh?!? Is that a joke? Is that even an official document?
It is also intriging that Allison Michelle Ernst, who caused a disturbance at the hearing a couple of weeks ago, has also filed a motion to intervene. Who is this woman?
Apologies for the multiple posts, but I found this: http://www.allisonmichelleernst.blogspot.com/
I’m not sure the allegation that Anschutz killed Michael Jackson helps her credibility or that she is doing Holmes any real favors here.
“Jonathan Lee Riches a/k/a Allison Michelle Ernst”??? Claims she/he sued Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift. I haven’t gone through the blog, that was a link on the side of the page you posted. Weird.
Ok. This must be nothing but a joke. Seeking a restraining order from James for entering her mind?
http://allisonmichelleernst69.blogspot.ca/2012/08/allison-michelle-ernst-lawsuit-against.html
This is nothing short of bizarre, and I regret having gone in this direction. Following the links there leads to this absurd copy of Yeom Pyo Lee’s motion: http://yeompyolee.blogspot.com/2012/08/yeom-pyo-lee-file-motion-to-intervene.html#!/2012/08/yeom-pyo-lee-file-motion-to-intervene.html
He claims Oates is a member of the illuminati and planted his fingerprints on a gun at the scene, he’ll be on the Today show next week, he has video of Oates sleeping with Carol Chambers, that he’s holed up in the South Korean embassy. I would assume that these are lame jokes posted by jonathan lee riches … except that actual motions with those captions have been filed with the court.
I do not much lean towards grand conspiracy theories, but it is almost as though the intent is to associate anyone raising questions with true nutjobs.
that is exactly what it is
What’s really interesting is Michelle’s blog is blogspot.ca – Canadian?
Obvious trolling blog page is obvious.
Seems an awful lot like she’s serving the sole purpose of discrediting any and everyone searching for the truth behind this. Clever.
I kinda like this guy Phillip Anschutz. He seems like he would have the power, the connections, and the motive to get a team to pull something like this off. Does it seem strange to anyone else that Oates came from new York/ new jersey area? The bee keeper traffic stop makes me believe that Oates is a big dirty player in this game of corporate dictatorship. Btw check out this stock RGC. The big money made a lot of coin on the days following the shooting. The money trail will take us to the wizard.
I think this entire thing is centered around the school and Anshutz’s other financial interests.
You have to ask yourself, why? Why would Mr Anschutz give this University $91 million? You can bet the farm that it has not been donated out of the kindness of his heart. He does not play like that. Everything is deliberate. We need to investigate more into this man and the University.
——- I created a facebook group called “james holmes is
innocent” and i can be found out there everyday rallying americans to free james holmes. James has taken over my life. I sleep, eat, and think James Holmes 24/7 and i seek a restraining order to
have this james holmes mind manipulation to stop.——-
Wow, seriously? Some serious trolling going on here.
Did you guys every see this great ariel footage of the back of the theater?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=4422103679776&set=vb.151913161612971&type=3&permPage=1
Yes, one of the better shots of the Police Shield.
So they’re saying now the school ran a background check after he made a threat, can they just do that? I mean I wonder if he signed something agreeing to allow them to do a background check in his application to the school or something. I know I had to sign something agreeing to one for my job, but can anyone just randomly request one on somewhen whenever they want??
So he hates school and he loves Batman so he shoots Batman fans.
Makes total sense, case closed.
http://www.economist.com/node/5213672
You can’t make this stuff up. No way it’s this easy
This whole thing reminds me of the pelican brief.
Incredible find Intothelight. I read his wiki earlier and was sort of blown away, but this article is crazy.
“Four or five years ago I decided to stop cursing the darkness—I had been complaining about movies and their content for years—and instead to do something about it by getting into the film business,
Few, however, have as ambitious a vision as Philip Anschutz, a religious billionaire whose aim is no less than to uplift American culture.
“Mr Anschutz has had mixed financial results from his movies so far. He is spending his own money and has yet to score a really big hit.”
Mr Anschutz’s production company, Walden Media, has brought in Disney to share half of the cost (which looks like 180 milllion) and profits from “The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe” and to do its marketing.
So he also has friends at Disney who own ABC who intentionally misquoted Holmes’ Mother…………………………………………………….. dear lord in heaven, pun intended
I wonder what kind of numbers Dark Knight would have done without that senseless shooting…I know people who were apprehensive about seeing because of the shooting, mostly girls.
……
Reminds me of a quote from “There will be blood”
“I have a competition in me, I want no one else to succeed. I hate most people.”
This is interesting, it was posted elsewhere on the site, thought I should move it over to the latest Holmes Thread.
somebody contact willy (i cant figure this site out) and ask him to watch this about possible suspects for the aurora shooting:
Thomas Brinkley^
This guy lost me when he got to joe Mantegna being chief Oates…
I understand how unemployed actors may be recruited for staged events, but joe Mantegna?????
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001505/
Sorry… My comment was about the video that comes up after the posted video ends, which claims that most people involved, including witnesses, the judge, chief Oates and the lieutenant who distributed the Holmes family statement in Front of the Holmes residence….
I was already familiar with this guy’s videos where he has some compelling comparisons between people, supposedly proving that they are mostly actors. But he also has some that don’t hold any water at all.
Yeah, this is the same person responsible for the ridiculous “Foundation for a Better Life” billboards we see everywhere to promote “positive behavioral values.” The billboards usually depict someone like a famous athlete and contain a catchphrase like, “Inspiration. Pass it on.” Although the foundation claims no political or religious agenda and seems to have no purpose but to post billboards, Anschutz’ other “philanthropic” endeavors all aim to moralize, to campaign against single parenting, to promote anti-gay constitutional amendments, to combat indecency, and to uphold decency standards in media.
Seriously, this person is worth something like $8 billion, and this is what he fixates on to make the world a better place? I wonder how that’s working out…
this is some funny shit
Lol, I love those parodies. Feels good to laugh every now and then while on here.
Brilliant, Chris! Love it!
Scott, you said you think this is all centered around Anschutz? Thats just crazy, why on earth do you think they’d be the kind of people to conspire to create a stage-managed terror event?
What was that? What were Anschutz doing back in 2010? Oh, nothing suspicious I’m sure…..
Of course, this by itself doesn’t mean a damn thing. Exercises like that need to be done and its nice to see somene putting so much effort into making it realistic (I’ve never seen a university go to that extent before). The fact that Holme’s University initiated an intricate staged event like that, and no doubt developed close connections with first responders (maybe ATF/FBI if properly replicating response to a bombing) is just another odd coincidence.
OMG, Gray….. you hit the nail on the head!
What if this pretend exercise has been discussed and the movie watched over and over again by students? After all, a learning project is only useful if it is used as a tool…. and everyone talks about it.. probably jokes about parts of it…. and have sessions on what is the best thing to do?
now, ‘someone’ or some ‘group’ needed to make a real event…
They told Holmes that another pretend emergency was planned…
wanted him to take part…. and his part had to be a secret…
it was important to know how people and students would react to such an emergency.. …had they learned anything from the previous pretend event in 2011?
Holmes is said to say he thought he was in a ‘play ‘ of some sorts? An ‘acting out’ of sorts thing?
Maybe he thought the weapons were loaded with blanks? and blood pellets… maybe his part was to let the other guy in… . and to accept bundles of weapons? Maybe he was fed drugs when he realized people were actually being hurt?
Maybe he was supposed to be a very agitated pretender shooter …jumping up and down in the back of theater with unloaded guns..when police arrived … and of course they would shoot him dead… end of story.. suspect is killed at scene…
but in fact he balked, and the real shooter and partner had to drug him… .. so the police found him in car… sitting … and dumbfounded..
.while real shooters escape…
or maybe they forced drugs on him and was planning on shooting him.. making it look like a suicide.. but time was running out…. maybe Holmes got into the car and locked the doors… to escape…. meanwhile the drugs are getting a hold of him…
the only way the shooters could kill him now it to shoot him through the glass windows… and that wouldn’t be suicide… so they had to leave him there.
Now Holmes can’t remember everything… and he is stunned at what is happening to him…. he can’t remember…
and why? The gun control bill… mainly the fear of guns .. and creating more control of people’s every day environment… more armed guards everywhere…..
“Well initially University of Colorado Health Science Center Anschutz Campus came to us and THEY wanted to conduct…..”
Seeing as the above must have lead to the even bigger Operation Mountain Garden in 2011 which also used Anschutz and Community College Colorado (with its “Critical Incident Theater”) as locations I guess its just lucky that Holme’s own university had gotten the specific town that the shootings would take place so well prepared.
Link to the Operation Mountain Garden details:
http://blogs.douglas.co.us/sheriff/2011/09/19/operation-mountain-guardian-emergency-exercise/
JAMES HOLMES WAS NOT SINGLED OUT BY THE UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO FOR A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK PRIOR TO THE SHOOTING.
http://darkknighttruth.wordpress.com
Nice reporting. Its so interesting how MSM can easily influence us. Well yesterday after reading reports from the prosecution I thought, “That’s it, he probably did it.” and then of course I decided to dig a little more into their claims to verify them and he we are less than 24 hours later with reporting that clearly debunks this. I go back and forth every day since it happened on whether he did it or not. Now I just don’t know. Do you have anymore surprising evidence that you will be reporting on? What do you have to say about the motions filed by Yeom Pyo lee?
Its not Yeom Pyo lee, but rather a nut using his name. It might be the woman who stood up in court claiming to have pertinent info but the nut could be simply using her name as well. The two petitions are clearly written by the same (unhinged or faking it) person.
So motions aren’t filed in person, so you can just randomly file a bogus motion? I really don’t know. Haven’t been involved in any court cases.
Jonathan Lee Riches, the apparent author of the Yeom Pyo Lee and Allison Michelle Ernst motions, is known for filing frivolous lawsuits and motions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Lee_Riches.
This highlights a further problem with sealing most court documents from the public while releasing the Register of Actions: it’s much more difficult to parse the Register of Actions to discriminate between legitimate and frivolous motions being filed.
As someone stated before, the filings of this kind are simply to poison the well and cast doubt on all legitimate people and their questions regarding the case….
Just like the 9/11 tattoo on the Sikh shooter’s wrist… Yeah… Those people who doubt the 9/11 storyline are such nutcases… And they are dangerous… Right?
Well, we know Holmes was involved. but, was he set up to be involved or was he part of something that did plan to murder and he was a partner? There had to be one or two others involved….
Nice work, once again.
So, my gut feeling is really that Holmes had nothing to do it, but I sometimes change my mind and am ultimately keeping my mind open to all the possibilities. What I don’t understand is, is the prosecution complicit in framing Holmes (if that’s what’s happening)? Or are they looking at fake or doctored evidence and really believe it was him and only him? I just don’t understand that part.
Witness: “This guy came in like the terminator.” “He may have had on a gas mask, but all I saw was the head gear for the night vision…”
Wow, this video was a great find!
Yeah, this backs up Corbin Dates’ assertions that the guy waltzed in there like he knew exactly what he was doing and he knew he would enjoy it. This witness likens the shooter to “the Terminator” twice, based upon the way the guy walked in. Holmes wasn’t shoegazing pushoever, but he wasn’t exactly brimming with confidence and audacity, either, from what we’ve seen in the videos of him and heard about in his friends’ descriptions of him. This characterization of the shooter is significant, in my opinion.
Also, one of the commenters on this video points out that the night vision goggles could have been a way to AVOID shooting certain people, such as planted “witnesses” already in the theater. Or, I might add, an accomplice.
yeah.. and he says it was a ‘smoke device’… the thrown canisters…!!
great video
Digging around yesterday, I came across one of the receipts of James’ purchases. This is the FIRST time I had ever seen it. I thought it was kind of strange that I hadn’t see it in any articles I’ve read, which have been quite a few.
http://www.stltoday.com/tacticalgear-sales-receipt-for-james-holmes/pdf_d886da6e-d2dd-11e1-a574-0019bb30f31a.html
I find it strange the address is blacked out considering his address is common knowledge.
Maybe it’s the address that was associated with his license plate?
Nice ‘catch’, JustCarolyn… that is strange
What was the knife used for? There has to be more receipts because he had more gear, but where did this one come from? I wonder if he bought the gask mask(s?) online too.
Apparently a woman was found eviscerated, i.e. her stomach was cut open, unless the cop is really misuing the word.
Early reports do mention a knife being found but I didn’t hear it mentioned in later reports.
Why go through the trouble of using a knife on someone when you have so many guns? That’s what I don’t understand. And how could you when you’re wielding 2 large guns, already.
Also, how could he have thrown 2 gas canisters- having so many weapons on him-and then begin shooting immediately after?
And…how did he pull open the door even if it was propped?
So far this guy either has 7 arms or there are some severely large pockets on the vest.
Ok… what if the real shooter(s) who left drugged up JH in the car, left guns in theater, one outside theater, another on JH or in the car? Leaving him only with a backpack, gas mask and a knife. Some girl sees him plant things or try to get JH out of the car (maybe even breaking the window?) He sees the witness and ‘takes care of things’ in a more quiet manner, as the construction workers are not far away. Then it might make sense the direction of the gas mask landing and the trail of blood running in the opposite direction of her assalant. Just a thought.
Anyone seen this page?
http://www.thedevilsadvocates.info/category/crime/colorado-shooting-james-holmes/
I found his research on the lady in the red dress interesting….
Yeah, that is a strange coincidence, DD Covers…..
could also explain where the title to the current movie came from…
and the current movie is ‘Batman’ inspired although it is more a statement about class warfare.. ….and where the elite show their power over the ‘masses’…
makes me wonder if this Aurora shooting couldn’t be another show of power…..a warning of sorts?
And Holmes never called himself the joker.. ..wasn’t that a ‘made-up’ story coming out the media in NY?
That side view of the woman wearing a red skirt… she is sitting on a bench right in front of the elderly woman in dark pink….
you can see that the woman in red has very short white-blonde hair.. or she has her hair pulled tight back in a bun or pony tail…. look at the video and pause it at her view… see the shadows in her upper head scalp? the shadows of hair lapping over to the side… and the sides where hair is going back…. so she is not a shaved head person.
If she is educated as the info claims, then she certainly knows how to contact the defense lawyers without having to explode onto the court scene….. and if her information is blow-torch hot, then I would think she is smart enough to secretly contact them… and I hope she does, if she knows something… yet, after the death of Jennifer , maybe anyone with ‘other ‘ information might back away.
So strange that Jenifer went swimming with a friend that no one has heard from…. we have all discussed that before…
also, why hasn’t the husband mentioned who the friend was? Why isn’t the husband being investigated?
These court proceedings are being controlled by higher powers, I believe there is a reason James does not have a private attorney….as it is now both the prosecution and the defense are employees of he state, they take orders and are paid by the state, A private attorney would blow the whistle on this charade and would rip the evidence or lack of it to shreds, if we can sit at home on a computer and see the inconsistenicies in the evidence than surely an attorney could…I am thinking this woman contacted the defense and was denied……She stood up in court at great risk to herself…..knowing she could become a target…..Maybe she felt that was the best forum to get the information out and call attention to the case…
If I remember correctly, she did say she contacted the defense and was denied, they wouldn’t talk to her and said James had no interest either. (God, shouldn’t they talk to everyone? Part of me wants to see if I could walk in and talk to someone; but a bigger part of me thinks I’ll end up going for a nice swim in a lake afterwards)
And I’m not even sure I believe the shaved head thing…. that fit too nicely into “she’s crazy.” Were there ever any pictures of her with shaved head… outside/inside courtroom? When I first heard about this on local Denver news, NO mention of shaved head. Only later did I ever hear of that, on CBS Evening News.
Did any news team care to follow up with her? No.
Any still…. where’s Yeom Pyo Lee? Why is he not listed as one of the classmates listed on James syallabus?
http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_21401839
Paperwork related to Holmes’ purchase of two .40-caliber Glock pistols, an M&P-15 military-style rifle and a Remington shotgun cannot be reviewed because it was destroyed after approval, which is consistent with federal law. The Colorado Bureau of Investigation keeps only copies of applications that are denied, because there is an appeal process, CBI spokeswoman Susan Medina said.
Read more: Millions of mentally ill missing from background check system – The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_21401839#ixzz24fKkMSHO
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So does that mean they can or cannot track who purchased the guns? Also, for any legal minds out there, why did his attorneys say motive and intent don’t matter? Is that another insinuation of the insanity plea? Or are they just trying to lock up the school records by saying that?
I find it rather clumsy of them to have said, “motive and intent don’t matter.” I think they could have found a better way to say that what really matters is the nature of the hard evidence that shows that Holmes actually committed the crimes he is accused of that night. Like video footage showing him carrying guns into the theater, getting into and out of his car, putting on his gear, etc. I want hard evidence.
If they are pursuing the “guilty but insane” angle, however, then I guess they’re right: nothing matters. He did it. Who cares what the motive was. The prosecution will beat the motive thing to death, however, to show that this was calculated, premeditated.
Yeah, that’s what I don’t understand. God I wish I knew someone on the case! I guess thursday should be pretty telling as Fenton is testifying. Which brings me to my next question, if they are angling for the insanity plea, then what does it matter if they use the notebook as evidence or not? Wouldn’t they have to hand that over anyways, as it would be relevant to that plea?
Fenton is testifying Thursday? Hm, this should be interesting, provided that we receive any legitimate news about her testimony.
After seeing how effed up everything is surrounding this case–all the lies, all the contradictions–I feel that no amount of hard evidence will completely convince me that Holmes is fully responsible or even mostly responsible. I still think that he was drugged/brainwashed by another party, not just once but over a period of time. So, even if the evidence plainly showed beyond any shadow of a doubt that he actually was the shooter, I still wouldn’t buy that it was through his own volition.
For some reason, out of all the corruption and conspiracies out there, this is the one case that I can’t write off and ignore. I feel like we’re very close to upsetting the apple cart, very, very close to blowing the lid off this case, but we need a breakthrough, someone who has the time and resources to take the combined work of the public and the citizen journalists and investigators and actually DO something with it.
I have saved the links to literally every video and article I’ve encountered concerning this story since July 20–literally hundreds and hundreds, and I’ve been thinking about indexing it all, making copies, and compiling the key arguments and points made by every commenter here and on similar sites, but it is a monumental task. Others have made attempts at something similar, but I’ve seen nothing even remotely comprehensive, or very credible, for that matter. Short of quitting my job, it would take months to work on this in what little free time I have. Plus, the Aurora Shooting spin machine is like the Lernaean Hydra: as soon as one lie (head) is debunked (chopped off), two more grow in its place. Keeping up is work enough. Haven’t written off such a project completely, though. I would be willing to index, copy, and compile everything if some privately-hired (or pro-bono) defense attorney working on Holmes’ case needed it, for sure. Without question.
Sometimes I wish there were a James Holmes defense fund set up through a legitimate charitable contribution-type site, the funds from which would go toward competent, non-public defense attorneys to either handle his case now or his appeals case later. I fear that such a fund would be far too controversial, however, and would go over like the proverbial lead balloon.
Yes Fenton is testifying Thursday or expected to anyways.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-08-23/colorado-shooting-hearing/57232146/1
Right I can’t ignore this case either. I’ve used so much of my time the past month every day on it. But, maybe that says something about our intuition? I don’t know if i just can’t handle the fact that someone with that background would do something like this (I mean this is a kid I probably would have been friends with in hs) or if my intuition is right-he’s being scapegoated. Well, let me know if you do ever decide to compile all of your links. I think that would be very interesting, but I understand its time consuming!
I agree. I’ve mentioned before how frustrating all this is for me, how I dont know what to do, and that I’m beginning to know there is nothing to be done. I try avoiding the news, but my attempts don’t work.
Clearly the defense – even if given the benefit of the doubt that they are doing their best — isn’t helpful. (a side note — the MAIN purpose of this elite group of public defenders is simply to keep the death penalty off the table. Nothing more. I couldnt find any capital case where anyone they represented got a “not guilty” verdict and walked.)
At this point I question whether they would even “allow” a private defense team to take over – it is James right to fire his attorneys at any time, but he clearly seems incapable (whether forcibly kept in this state or not, I dont know), to say or object to much of anything. I would think there would have to be some defense team that would do this pro-bono; the publicity alone they would get if successful would be huge. Now, if other lawyers cant get access to him, I think that’s pretty telling.
So I started searching for Denver attorneys who represented the wrongly convicted (I’m a step ahead of myself, as these people were already convicted, but these would be the most receptive lawyers, in my opinion). Most of the cases began because the lawyers began to get letters and information (facts) sent to them. Perhaps that needs to be our next step.
There was a huge case of a man Tim Masters, wrongfully convicted here, who got out last year, and yet another recently released, Robert Dewey (which, yikes, is making my whole state seem pretty bad).
These are their attorneys:
Robert Dewey, attorney (Danyel Joffe -Email: djoffe@joffelawfirm.com)
Tim Masters attorneys (David Wymore, http://davidwymore.com/ ; Maria Liu http://www.nocolaw.com/attorneys/maria-liu/ )
Numerous other criminal defense firms, wouldn’t know where to start
I love the comments, investigating, and thoughtful questions of people here… but I think its worth trying to get this information to people who could help, even if absolutely nothing comes of it. At least I feel I tried.
Or any other suggestions of things to do, please tell… MSM seems not to care about any internet reporting. Waiting until after he’s convicted is years away, and he’ll probably be conveniently killed first.
Well, his dad has a linkedin that you can send messages to. Also, his home address in San Diego, his current public defenders, or send to him personally in prison all the evidence gathered so far, if you feel that is what you need to do.
Also as polaris mentioned before, we all could help in compiling all links, photos, relevant comments together in one place and e-mail it to the attorneys you mentioned or anyone else we decide, save for any manchurian candidate/mkultra business. I doubt anyone would take that seriously and besides that is indicated he did it, when we all are wondering if he was even in the theater that night.
Yeah I did a short summary (minus any conclusions as to “why” or conspiracies) with just facts that I emailed to the defenders on Tuesday night. I didn’t get a response, but didn’t expect to. Like I said, I just want to feel like I tried, yet I’m just one person…..
And I think I need to regain some of my time and head space….
Yes, that’s true.
I would be incredibly curious to write JH some day, regardless of the outcome of the case or whether he did everything they said he did. Human psychology, even the aberrant stuff, is quite interesting.
In any case, Holmes’ advisors probably have told him not to correspond with anyone at this time. Were he actually able to communicate coherently and make sense right now in a response, it would harm the defense’s argument that he has a severe, debilitating mental illness. Also, I am somewhat fearful of TPTB getting a hold of my name and mailing address right now, considering the possibility, albeit slight, that certain folks are perhaps being bumped off (e.g., the Irish nurse).
If someone stepped forward–an actual defense attorney working on this case, or about to work on this case–I would get to work immediately. (And in the remote chance that such a person reads this, contact me here or through my Youtube channel, pfez80!)
Otherwise, I kind of feel like I’d be peeing into the wind, lol. Maybe I’ll just plug along, fitting in what I can here and there. It may be months or even years until the trial (assuming there will be a trial), so perhaps enough time exists after all.
I have posted this before….higher powers are in control of these judicial proceedings……it is by design that both defense and prosecution are employees of the state, take orders from the state and get paid by the state. The family is an affluent family who can provide a private attorney for their son…….The defense is part of the charade as well as the prosecution…..if this trial was legit…he would have a private attorney, the family would have hired a private investigator and attorney or a team of attorneys for their son…….They have only retained an attorney for themselves…..
There will be a secret trial with enough selected tidbits of information leaked to the media to satisfy the public so the masses feel that justice was served…
There isnt one private sector person involved in these whole proceedings.
He WILL be found guilty….the only question will be whether he recieves life in prison or the death penalty. If you look at mainstream media stories and go to their comments section you will find hundreds of comments from paid trolls calling already for the death penalty……which means that they are already trying to shape public opinion for a death sentance…..why would they want the patsy to live?
So he can do a tell all in a few years from a prison cell???
I still wonder about his family. Even if they have been threatened, how can they just sit by and do nothing? As a parent, that would absolutely kill me. Or maybe they are doing things behind the scenes that we don’t know about. Or maybe they’re too scared for their own lives or their daughter (Chris I think is her name). Or maybe they think he did it…who knows.
Since he doesn’t seem to remember that night, maybe the police are telling him they already have a recorded confession from him on that night, so don’t even bother fighting this, just go along with it, you did it.
I hear you D.D. I also find my interest in this case starting to wain due to the seemingly insurmountable odds. It is so scary how little society at large cares about due process. It’s even scarier how little people seem to care about investigating such a heinous crime.
I think Nolan actually put it quite well and I share a very similar sentiment I will leave his quote below for those who may have not seen it:
“I believe movies are one of the great American art forms and the shared experience of watching a story unfold on screen is an important and joyful pastime. The movie theatre is my home, and the idea that someone would violate that innocent and hopeful place in such an unbearably savage way is devastating to me.”
This was attack on America and was investigated like no one gave a sh*t (very similar to 911). Where is the magnifier glass, where is the fine tooth comb, where is the well funded, transparent, thorough investigation of the crime.
Instead we are instantly told about the man who “did it” and his photo is instantly release, so we can start making the association of the killing with his face (He is just a suspect do we need to see his face right away like that?)
Now that we have a closed case in a few hours, let’s put all our efforts toward proving the suspect guilty (I am the joker,all the b.s. they are trying to get out of the school, etc) rather than making sure we have the correct suspect and eliminating accomplices etc etc etc ……
I am doing my best to stay motivated and the science Scott dropped on his latest article was defiantly inspiring.
NEWLY DISCOVERED VIDEO OF AURORA LOCALS, JACKIE MITCHELL AND MYRON ZELNICK, CASTS SERIOUS DOUBT UPON THE OFFICIAL DARK KNIGHT MASSACRE STORY.
http://darkknighttruth.wordpress.com
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHYfm2pvZwU&w=560&h=315%5D
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschutz_Entertainment_Group
Phillip Anschutz has he’s finger prints all over this thing. I believe he is the man responsible for this massacre . I don’t think it would be too hard for a private eye or someone in law enforcement to prove my hypothesis. The cover up however goes all the up to the top. In my opinion the msm and john q public have already moved on and have excepted the phony story as fact. I have adopted the strategy of investing in the worst but hoping for the best.
I absolutely agree and am working on an article about this hypothesis.
Awesome. Thank you very much.
I can promise without any confusion that the picture put on one of the ‘dating’ sites WAS created/downloaded to that site on July 5th!!! This guy has to be lying or has JH confused with someone else!!
I sat at the work computer of a person with clearance of such info and viewed it myself.
either you have to refute that his posting pic is not him or know it was posted on July 5th
words coming out wrong.. sorry.. Without any doubt.. his red hair post on the dating site was downloaded on July 5th
There’s certainly a lot anschutz’s eighty billion dollars can buy… But, I don’t think that’s enough money to buy the ENTIRE msm, law enforcement, the county sherif, state representatives, senators, the military, the FBI, the judge, the lawyer, James’ parents….. Nor he would be able to pay for and manage the obligatory perpetual cover up mechanism, and the elimination of undesirables like witnesses, whistle blowers, or anyone who gets too close to the truth, and won’t be intimidated by threats.
To pull a stunt like this, and have any realistic hopes to survive the aftermath, one would need to already be a player in the network of corrupt, secret, deep government network that seems to be running the show… And with full impunity?
Anschutz is at best deep in the muck of corruption up to his neck, or, at worst, an active player in the shadow government, to which he might owe his wealth… Otherwise, accusing Anschutz of the batman massacre is like accusing Silverstein for 9/11… Oh, yes he was in on it, but you can’t think that he actually had anything to do with the planning, execution or cover up or anything, besides being a facilitator for and a benefactor of the events. He couldn’t afford buying Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the gang, he couldn’t afford buying Halliburton… But, when they all got together…. Boy, oh boy…
So very well said, sir.
Thank you democracyanddespotism… I appreciate it.
I watch in admiration the stellar efforts Scott, you, Chris p. – just to name a few – and many others all over the web have been putting in to this case in search of evidence that’d prove foul play… But, if history is any reference, the forces behind this kind of cover up are so powerful that a gas mask here and a knife there is not really gonna cut it.
People like to say “the game is rigged”… Without putting much thought in to how darn rigged it is… Because, for most part, we don’t even know what game we are playing. You pull a royal flush, and they’ll change the game to blackjack, bust you out and tell you to roll the dice. Oh, are the gamblers protesting? Get rid of a few right in front of their eyes, and let’s see if the rest will still be moaning.
The number of assassinations, killings, shootings, bombings that have been fully exposed as being staged make a huge list now… I am yet to see a single one of the conspirators, killers, financiers go to jail.
So what do you suggest we do? Just throw our hands up and say, “Oh well, I guess they’re just going to win again”?
Quite the contrary. I would encourage all to dig in to this case and any other shady event with all their might. I do see how my comments may be interpreted as trying to label these efforts as futile… But I was just trying to point out that, since the game is indeed heavily rigged, it is crucial that we first decide where the goal post is to be able to move towards it with a concerted effort. In the absence of such a definition, all efforts are bound to fall short.
In one of these aurora related comment threads, Chris p, whose efforts I have been reading with great enthusiasm, is talking about contacting the FBI with the evidences he has gathered. Even if we were to assume that he finds one if the few uncompromised FBI agents, the mill that this evidence will have to pass through is heavily managed at key points of the process, all the way from the street cops to the judiciary… It would be somewhat dillusional to think that the evidence will fall in the hands of the “good guys” (Hollywood style) who would decide to put a fight against the corrupt establishment structure.
When we consider the sheer number of witnesses and investigators who have approached the authorities regarding the past misdeeds of the establishment, from military false flags to the assassination of presidents and public figures, who have been totally ignored by the official investigation or criminal trial, or were simply eliminated, one gets a better idea about the chances of success of that approach.
We can always hope that, one of these days, something will go miserably wrong with one if these psy-ops campaigns, and that the wind will blow the curtains to reveal the actors setting up the stage, or an operative will fall and get killed by the scissors he is running with and get caught with a red wig in his pocket, or that a bucket of paint will fall out of the sky on the invisible man and reveal him for the whole world to see….
Until that time, if ever, I feel a good starting point would be to consolidate all of the evidence, which is currently dispersed all over the web, in one place, in an evidence depository, including all of the pertinent photos and videos saved locally before the ministry of truth alters them or simply makes them disappear, which has been happening already and is probably happening as I type these words.
I can promise without any confusion that the picture put on one of the ‘dating’ sites WAS created/downloaded to that site on July 5th!!! This guy has to be lying or has JH confused with someone else!!
I sat at the work computer of a person with clearance of such info and viewed it myself.
So the dating page was created on July 5th? Or the pictures were uploaded July 5th?
The page was created in April, no pic. The original content was not ever given an ok till it was redone on July 5th. Pic 1 (porn star background) was posted on 7/5. Pic with ball cap was downloaded on 7/6 and pic used by most media was downloaded on 7/11.
by original content I mean.. it was not approved to create the user page.. either because not finishing questionnaire or bad verbage or words in profile or many other issues. But it was paid for in April but not activated. Not really used till July 5th when it was granted approval for use. Please do not use the words of which site, but it was not AFF.
WTF is going on. I’m more confused then ever. I tried to convince myself this morning that Holmes did it and acted alone just so I could stop thinking about this but it only lasted like 5 seconds. I don’t think Mitchell is lying, so either those pics are not Holmes or he dyed it orange and then dyed it brown again, and then back to orange later?
Tina, I know what you mean. If I did not have this knowledge as fact, then I too would be wondering if he really did just snap. But with this knowledge I wonder if those posted pics are really JH or that guy is confusing JH with someone else. It has to be one of the two.
I was kind of confused by the “ball cap photo” comment. I thought there was only two. But checking about you can see pictures of the profile with 3 small thumbnail photos beneath it. Two of these are all over the net but I can’t find an image of the ball cap one anywhere, by web search or in the first 800-900 image returns for James Holmes, (which is kind of weird given how much every other publically avilable picture of him has been used). Do you know of anywhere were its shown full size?
You can find the thumbnail by searching but its very unclear and frankly doesn’t look like the same person.
The photo in the middle. Does it look like the same guy?
http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0721_james_holmes_classic_jim_tmz.pdf
Gray… I was unable to take a snap shot of the photo at the time (things are recorded in such companies), but yes that seems the same photo, but it had a weird caption on the photo, on the top of it.. Reallyrad AOA in red letters in an odd cursive font. I saw all three pics in full size at the time.
And did it look like the same guy as the other two?
(Hard to tell given that its in shadow, but still weird that its not on anywhere the web)
I do believe the three pics I saw were of the same person. I am not an expert. But why change persons from a post of 7/5 to another person on 7/6? When I viewed this I was not looking for anomalies, sorry. I am new to the web sleuth world.
http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/GCAOV.jpg
The baseball cap pics looks like the same person as the other 2 to me. The writing looks like Really Red huh or hoh to me. It was discussed that Really Red is a punk band or something whose album was on CIA Records, possibly leaving a clue that the CIA is involved?
When I took notes while viewing his site.. I wrote down what I saw. I viewed each pic and noted. I wrote down ReallyRad AOA as I saw it in a full blown pic. If I am wrong, I am wrong. I was distressed as well as my ‘friend’ allowing me to view this. We both felt we were breaking rules because of the gag order. I don’t want him/her to loose their job for my moment of exposure. I do believe what I saw was the same man in all three pics.
Thank you TxMom for what you have shared!!
Tina..the photo I saw was not that red. It was more real color.
Chris P.. may I have your email addy? Or you might be able to get it from scott/willyloman as I shared this info with him weeks ago via email.
Txmom, thanks for sharing this. Wow! What you’ve put forth is very interesting, indeed. Maybe some of our experts on here with more photoshop experience than me could analyze the photos for evidence that the hair color had been changed via photoshop? And, could these pictures have been snapped from someone on the other end of a video chat (Skype?) since even for a computer camera, the resolution is pretty cruddy.
Although I think the profiles are likely bogus (and we know that a different JH was responsible for the Aurora hooker reviews online as discussed ealier), we can’t rule out the possibility that old photos could have been uploaded, which would make Jackie Mitchell’s testimony truthful. Perhaps he had dyed his hair orange the previous year, for Halloween or something.
For whoever asked about the baseball cap photo, larger versions exist. I know others feel differently, and that’s okay, but I maintain that it says “Really Red, hah” (or heh or huh). The the “Really Red” discussion in another thread for more details.
I think Txmom may be right. AOA=Alpha Omega Alpha Honor Medical Society? Hmmm…if he was such a screw up than how did he get in the honor society, if in fact thats what it means. Could we somehow do a freedom of information for members?
Nope. Holmes was in the Phi Beta Kappa academic honors society.
For what it’s worth, here’s the pic. Compare the vowels in “really” to the rest of the vowels in the phrase. http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/GCAOV.jpg
That is the same photo, but it was not all red like that. It was normal colors and the font is different on the M site. The font was in red and was much larger. That is why I feel what I wrote down when viewing it as “ReallyRad AOA” without question.
The other thing I found odd was I just discovered he had several email accounts but the one he used on this site was a self dumping email. yopmail.com
So I wonder if the media or “they” changed the pic at some point. Also, the dumping email so he would never receive messages. Makes perfect sense to sign up for a dating site and then not want to get emails about activity from said sure, NOT. I wonder if he really did create it with no pictures in April and someone later came in and added the pics and changed the email later, or if it was all someone else from the start. All the way back in April. And WHY?!
I don’t think it was altered. That is the one on AFF, the one from the other site I saw was shut down almost immediately. The dumping email from what I read automatically dumps every 8 days.
I just took a look at the AOA site. They have an option to search for members. There are a couple of James Holmes on the site, but neither of which is our James Holmes. They could have, of course, pulled the listing or they are behind on updating the listing and he’s a new inductee. But, at the moment, no sign of him on there. Darn!
Intothelight, After reading the link you suggested, I was shocked to read the last part about Michael Jackson. I have spent the last hour looking for an article that I read regarding the woman in the red dress that was at the 2nd hearing but I can’t find it now. However, I seem to remember that it stated that before the hearing, a TV reporter briefly spoke with her and she mentioned something to him about a 1956 conspiracy & that Michael jacksons death was somehow linked to all of this. It made no sense at the time but,, maybe there is something to it. Also, I just read something about a law statute #1956. I don’t really understand it but, maybe someone here does and perhaps thats the 1956 conspiracy that she was talking about. The statute was found at link http://www.law.cornell.edu
Sorry, that link didn’t work. I think here is the law [link to http://www.law.cornell.edu I hope this works.
Even if Holmes does confess and describes himself what he did, its important to remeber cases such as that of Paul Ingram.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ingram
(the Mother Jones article i the links at the bottom gives clear details of how that case developed)
Holmes appeared to be in a debilitated mental state for at least a week or more. Given that he claimed to have no memory and he’s surrounded by guards, staff and (seemingly) even his own defenders who are taking his guilt as self-evident, he may already believe he’s done everything thats been said on the MSM.
This is possible even without any medication involved, if he’s either been medicated post-arrest or people are specifically trying to condition him, its almost certain he will be convinced of his guilt.
I’m not so convinced that he buys into the official story. He knows himself better than anyone. I do think that they’re keeping him drugged. The psychologist in the full Hardball video says it’s very possible. And it’s pretty easy to control someone when you have them on drugs.
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/aurora-shooting-suspect-makes-first-court-appearance/6t1bekz?cc=pt
He looks constantly drugged in those sketches, or perhaps permanent damage done? Hard to tell, public should have access to all drugs he is put on. Access to full medical diagnosis on James Holmes.
Of course he is being drugged…….they want to avoid an ” I am a patsy” moment at all costs…..
Well if they had him breathing in chemicals through this gas tank as some have hypothesized, he undoubtedly wasn’t getting enough oxygen and could face permanent brain damage.
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ab501f3aae.jpg
If we set aside the fact that Holmes has not received his own private counsel (though his parents hired their own attorney to represent them) we still have to wonder why he’s being defended by the Colorado public defenders office.
In Jared Loughner’s case, within days he was appointed Judy Clarke, one of the most famous (former) federal public defenders in the country. She defended the Unabomber, the Atlanta Olympics bomber, Susan Smith (who drowned her kids in a car) and Zaccaraiah Moussasoui (9/11 suspect). The reasoning being that for a high profile case it was best to have a top level defender so no appeals could be made on the rounds that the defense couldn’t handle such a prominent case.
he is being defended by a public defender by design…both the prosecution and the defense are employes of the state, just like the judge, bailiffs etc…….there is not one private sector employee in the courtroom…a private attorney would rip the evidence or lack of it to shreds and would also object to snippits being leaked to the press…..this is a show trial…nothing more……this entire proceeding is a charade. it is not legit…..
You think a judge would allow things to continue without some kind of evaluation of James Homes after his first court appearence??? Notice the judge never insists on a reply from James Holmes even when reading the charges and asking if James understands the charges agianst him…….Its a charade,,,,for the masses so they believe justice was served.
Like Loughner, Timothy McVeigh had Stephen Jones, Terry Nichols had Michael Tigar, David Koresh had Dick Deguerin, all of them well-known layers who had handled high profile cases.
Holmes gets Daniel King, a 17 year veteran of the public defenders office who is (as far as I can tell) most well known for his failed attempt to use the insanity plea last year in the defense of Robert Hull Marko (Colorado soldier who raped and killed a woman). also in 2011, he took a plea deal (accepting the max sentence for a juvenile in return for not going to adult court) for a 12 year old boy accused of killing both parents with a gun and stabbing both his younger siblings (a situation where an insanity defense seems like it could have been more successful).
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Make em offer they can’t refuse. Anschutz is a big believer in the competiotion is a sin line. They guy is known as a modern day jp Morgan. He has his hands in everything. I’m sure Anschutz didn’t plan it or even knows who did. I am saying however, that this is day and age where if the right people and places profit then anything can be covered up. I could point out countless cases where we have been told that 2+2=5. I only ex
Make em offer they can’t refuse. Anschutz is a big believer in the competiotion is a sin line. The guy is known as a modern day jp Morgan. He has his hands in everything. I’m sure Anschutz didn’t plan it or even knows who did. I am saying however, that in this day and age where if the right people and places profit then anything can be covered up. I could point out countless cases where we have been told that 2+2=5. This is just another one. Anschutz competition is century theatres, he owns walden media and is partners with Disney-abc news. The school that jh went to was practically owned by Anschutz, the school worked closely with all branches of law. It’s hard for me to say what Larry silversteins involvement was on 9/11 I would say clearly say some bigger players where running the show but he knew what was going to happen will in advance. Anschutz is just another player in this game of greed and corruption except he’s on a good team.