by Scott Creighton
UPDATE: Clearer picture of the spine board. It’s not a creeper and it’s the black things are definitely straps. It’s a spine board.
yes, it’s a spine board
I keep seeing this spine board in the photos of the crime scene. It’s tucked neatly under the car but you can see part of it sticking out behind the trunk. Why would that be there? If it was for victims, do you think the emergency crews would have put it in the middle of the evidence being investigated by the police, FBI, and ATF? Do you think they would have just left it there for no apparent reason? Why is it there? What does that tell us?
spine board under suspect’s car hours after the arrest.
Notice the holes in the board so responders can pick the person up. Here is an example of a spine board that looks similar to the end of this one. I’m not saying it’s the same product, but it does come in white. I would think that what we see sticking out of the car is actually the part of the board where the person’s feet would go. Usually the “bottom” of the board is narrower than the “top”.
Here’s another shot of the spine board, this one from the side which gives us a good idea of how long it is. Notice the two nylon straps used to secure someone to the board.
The spine board was never marked as evidence and when the evidence collectors were finished with their job (looks like the AR-15 was the last thing they packed up) the spine board was still sitting there. That’s because it wasn’t evidence belonging to the assailant, it was equipment used by the police left there under the car to be picked up later when they towed the vehicle away.
Spine board still there. No evidence marker on it
As you can see in the photo above, the evidence collection process is nearly complete with the AR-15 being packed up. And yet, there sits the spine board just as clear as day.
Even if the suspect parked on top of the board, if it was already lying there before he showed up, the police would have entered it into evidence unless they knew exactly where it came from. It came from them.
So, why the spine board? Why would police want a spine board to detain a suspect and then leave it at the scene afterward?
The answer to that is simple: James Holmes was so incapacitated when they found him, they thought they would need the spine board to transport him. Once he regained some kind of awareness of where he was, not only did he tell them about the traps in the apartment, but he may have in fact been able to get up and into the transport vehicle himself. So the cops just tucked the board under the suspect’s car that he had been lying beside after they broke the window and pulled him out and took the second gas mask off of him.
There may be any number of reasons to use a spine board at the scene of an emergency, but the fact is, it is under the suspect’s car and everyone knew, very early on, that the suspect was inside the car and then arrested beside the car. I seriously doubt some first responder is going to walk up and tuck his spine board under the suspect’s vehicle for safe keeping.
The spine board had to be brought there for the suspect. And that means to some degree and at least for some time, he had to be seriously incapacitated. Seriously enough to call for the board to move him.
Does that sound like the guy who went into the theater and shot 71 people and moved out just as the police arrived 60 seconds later?
Does that sound like the guy who ran the length of the entire building to plant a second gas mask just to confuse us, then ran back, stripped off the equipment, and jumped in the car to be discovered only seconds later?
No.
According to the police, James Holmes admitted to taking some prescription medication like Vicodin prior to the attack. That may or may not be true, but what is true is the police admit that Holmes had been drugged BY SOMEONE prior to them finding him in that car. We also know that they didn’t take a mugshot photo of him that night possibly because he was drugged out of his mind. So we know he was drugged and that could explain the spine board: Holmes was so far out of it when they found him, they thought they would need it to transport him.
I think this is just further proof, circumstantial of course, of my original theory about this case: that someone set Holmes up to be the patsy on this attack and left him drugged and in the car when they went in and shot the 71 people in that theater.I suppose they did that figuring that when the cops found him, drugged out to the gills, wearing a gas mask, sitting next to a shotgun and 2 Glock 40s, they would just put a hole in his head and be done with it. But, that didn’t happen.
The location of the equipment right next to where a car could have been waiting for the real assailant when he came out, the location of the other gas mask at the end of the parking lot where the real assailant may have run to or tossed it out of the car window, the early police reports of the guy in a blue and white plaid shirt wearing a gas mask, all of this points to another person actually being the one who attacked those people last Thursday night. Who by the way, is still at large.
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I’m not sure we can be sure it wasn’t marked as evidence. Just because we can’t see a marker doesn’t mean there isn’t one there. One possibility, besides the one I gave that it was to transport Holmes to the site, is that it was either left there so when they moved the car, they could then left it up and not disturb any evidence that it might cause by pulling it out, or it was left there to block the view of something that they didn’t want seen, which they seem to be doing quite a lot in this case with things (like the green dumpster looking thing in the view every time they framed the picture for that gear scattered around to try to avoid showing the another gas mask), and that could be why the swat shield is there also, and it did have an evidence marker, at least one by it. The shield could very well be used to carry some weight too.
Are you suggesting that they put this 14 pound board on top of evidence, and then left evidence there under the board till they moved the car with a wrecker two days later?
hmmm.
You know, you would think if they wanted to “hide’ evidence with a shield or a spine board, they might have tried to “hide” that second gas mask all the way at the end of the building. That’s the first thing I would have hidden.
Oh yeah, it wasn’t marked as evidence. Looking at all the photos of the scene investigators we can clearly see it was there after all the other evidence was removed, and there is no marker anywhere near it.
It’s not evidence, it’s equipment.
I’m suggesting that is one possibility. Either because it was evidence or not, and they didn’t want to pull it out and disturb the surrounds because of other evidence, or because they might have been trying to hide something.
They actually did do a pretty good job of hiding the gas mask at the car (GM 2 in my composite), just by not showing it close up, as the same with that pile it is by. They also did a pretty good job with the gas mask to the far of the drivers side by what I call the dumpsters (GM 1 in my composite), not only with not taking any close up pictures of that pile, but as well when they did take a close up of the pile, they moved something (green, and kind of looks like a dumpster, but don’t think it is) in the way of it to hide it from view.
BTW, bot the inserts I sued to show the other two gas mask was from one source, I think, and were taken quite early it looks like, by a reporting actually I would say trying to do their job. Think they all came that one link I said was the grandaddy, which I think was the Washington financial Times?
I’m not suggesting what you said is wrong, only that there are other alternatives. It would makes just as much sense for it to be there for any of the 3 reasons. Either as evidence, to cover something up, or it was left there when they thought they might have to transport Holmes. I really can’t think of what would have been under there to hide though, unlike the shield. So I lean towards one of the other two being more likely.
It is a possibility that while checking the under carriage of the vehicle for explosives, due to not having the mirror and pole apparatus used by border patrol and such, it was used to lay on and inspect. If you recall the mention of a secondary device and a white SUV. Also if Holmes was under the influence of any narcotics then his admissions are not admissible in court!
Yes i believe it was put there as a prop to make it look like they were checking for explosives, a man cannot fit under this car on a board, im a technician.
I think the backboard was used to transport him to the scene in the very same vehicle that the real shooter was taken from the scene in, which explains why the gas mask was at the far end of the parking lot, the shooter pulled it off to breathe and dropped it while getting into the car, possibly witnesses were coming out so they had to leave it and go. James and his family were closely involved in organizations who deal with mind control, indeed, his very schooling was regarding neural learning.
I believe chief of police oates was involved in this as were a select few of his policemen, a police car and backboard, with or without anyone on it would not be out of the ordinary to see at such an event. I believe Holmes was never in that theater, the man with the cell phone being someone else, (no mention of cherry red and orange hair) the shooter was described as 5’9 to 5’11 inches tall (in his helmet and shoes), Holmes is 6’3. With helmet and shoes, he’d be closer to 6’6 inches tall, nearly 8 inches taller than the shooter.
There was no blood on the riot gear laid out so nicely behind his car, not even on the white item. There would be blow back from shooting people so close to him. The helmet is placed squarely on the sidewalk with no scuffs to indicate it had been dropped.
Holmes allegedly told police he “thought” there was a bomb in his apartment, or there was a “possible” bomb in his apartment. Did he not know? Or did he overhear someone on the way to the scene saying something about it?
Covert hypnosis and other mind control techniques can implant false memories and can also create a human robot with no memories of whatever events or time blocks the person in control deems. It does not surprise me that Holmes didn’t know why he was in jail, nor that his eyes scrunch tightly and roll up in his head when the judge mentions the word murder at his hearing a week ago. The wide eye and rolling eyes are signs of mind control according to Cathy O’Brien, who still does it when she is remembering accounts of her time with this.
Go to youtube, search for Coast to Coast AM July 28 and listen to Roger Tolces discussion on this and other topics that should wake a few up here.
WOW. Just wow. Fantastic observation and plausible conclusion.
On another Holmes-related note, has anyone else seen this account from a (dubious) source indicating that Holmes’ body was painted red? The “source” cited in the article says that police brought Holmes to jail **in his body armor**, and when they took it off they had to shower him to remove the paint! I thought the armor was in some of those heaps and piles at the crime scene, like by his helmet & stuff, no? http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-07-23/news/32810028 _1_body-armor-red-pants-batman
If they had to shower red paint off Holmes, this could be one reason why the mugshot wasn’t taken earlier, or released earlier. Again, though, the article cites a relative of someone in a cell near Holmes, so . . . I question the veracity of this. Kind of reckless for the NYdailynews to print. Still, it’s a pretty wild thing to fabricate.
your link tracks back to “page not found” on Daily News site. Perhaps they figured out quoting a third generation hearsay report isn’t exactly “news”… or maybe there is something to it. As far as your claim that it is something wild to fabricate, not at all. If he was still wearing body armor, that certainly implicates him. After all, how many sets of body armor is he supposed to have purchased? Seems to me someone is trying to cast some more guilt his way so they fed the Daily News a story. be my guess.
May be this link will work
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-07-23/news/32810028_1_body-armor-red-pants-batman
“The Daily News has learned that Holmes had painted his body red for his killing spree, too.
Tasha Taylor, who said a relative of hers is in a cell near Holmes, described how he was brought into the jail wearing body armor.
“Once they got his armor off, his body was painted red,” she said. “They had to shower him right away.””
From : (Aurora, Colo. theater shooter makes first court appearance
MATTHEW LYSIAK, JUDITH CROSSON IN CENTENNIAL, COLO., TRACY CONNOR IN NEW YORK
Monday, July 23, 2012)
That red body paint also refers back to the Daily News Article…..
Armor? That really must confuse the police… someone else had armor also…. how come the FBI is not looking for another shooter? Who was wearing the other masks and armor… if the cell mate is telling the truth? and the police undressed Holmes in front of another prisoner who was in a separate cell? They really do that? A big time shooter is brought in and undressed in the hallway (in view of other cells)…. down to his bare skin? hmmmmmmmmm
That spine board cannot be a creeper…. it is white and flat and the straps are draped over the board.. wheels normally run under a creeper…and they are round shaped….
and no police dept would push another officer under a car that may be suspected of being rigged with a bomb…. especially on a flat board that would put the officer’s face about 2 inches from bottom of maybe bomb rigged car. If you click on picture of car with the board, then it will enlarge … you can see it better.
I think Scott is on to something… Holmes was severely drugged by someone… and the police reacted to his condition…
If “police brought Holmes to jail in his body armor,” it goes against the gear on the ground beside his car being his, and points to another suspect. Honestly, I do not believe anything being reported by the media at this point. They’ve totally ignored any of the things mentioned in the audio dispatches regarding more than one suspect, and that makes me have ZERO trust in their journalistic abilities.
Hey, WilliLoman, I’ve been following your posts, and i think you’re doing a great job of pointing out and making ‘public’ the obviously inconsistencies seen in this case.
Some food for thought: Have you ever heard of the Rothchild family? Supposedly, they are one of the richest families in the world. It’s a fact that this family OWNS the Associated Press, whom delivers their news to the entire world day after day (nbc, new your times etc.). If you take a second to think about this- in a sense, they control what we [the general public] read about in the news every single day.
Now I’m not saying that this was necessarily an inside job, but if it were, how easy would it be to hide all of the ‘facts/details’ about this case from the citizens of the world?
Initial reports from police supposedly were that Holmes had on red clothing under the body armor along with the red hair. Red is the color of Illuminati sacrifice, black is the color of the initiate. July 20th was the day that satanists (the Illuminati are satanists at their core) kidnap and prepare the victim for sacrifice.
I forgot to add above that one of the reasons I suspected oates as being involve was that he was involved in the 9/11 debacle, a huge fail on his part, and then shows up as main cop in Aurora. Also, Holmes’ gear was apparently professional stuff, as were the gas canisters, and there was a police riot shield close to the exit door that is never mentioned.
That the judge put a gag order on everything and everyone in sight “to protect the rights of the accused” is hogwash, they put up a barricade on his 3rd floor apartment window so no one could see them inside as they ‘investigated’ and I’ve read at a news site that they have also cordoned off the entire theater outside. Did any of you know that initial reports in several web news areas stated he had 2 room mates from California? Didn’t think so. http://www.abovetopsecret.com has screen shots of the pages. Lots and lots of coincidences, too many to be ignored. Such as the drug addict who claims to be his psychiatrist saying she got a package from Holmes, and oops, it’s not from Holmes, but wait a minute! There really is one from him! Someone tried saying it was there in the mail room since July 12, turns out the postmaster said it was delivered Monday, July 23rd, the latest Holmes could have mailed it was 5pm July 18th, so it took 5 days to go from post office to school. Whatever, it’s a fake. He’s being set up, and evidence is easy to produce when there is no oversight or a gag order on everyone and every thing in sight.
His dad was due to give testimony on the largest bank crime in human history this week, and his kid becomes world news at the same time? Yeah, I don’t think so. I also heard that he has the same attorney as Timothy McVeigh, either symbolic, or to taint his name and person with McVeigh’s via association. Dirty bastards. I think the guy is innocent.
I believe it is a creeper. Something mechanics lay on to check under vehicles. BUT, the car isn’t on jacks, so I dunno.
At the end, the two black things could be wheels.
I don’t think it is a creeper, though that was my first thought when I seen it. It is a stretcher / spine board. No creeper I have ever seen is white. And they night have used something like a spine board to push somebody under there if they had enough clearance (though I suppose there is no reason they couldn’t have jacked the car up a bit), when they pulled it back out with the person on it, why would they shove it back in? That board is there too while they are using the robot, way early in the morning from the looks of the pictures.
looks like a board on wheels to look for bombs under a car, may even have a camra on it bit why they left it?
really? you see wheels under this? they would have to be a half of an inch in diameter. And what does that clearance look like above the board and under the car? 3 inches? 4?
There are no wheels under that board. You can see that. And they don’t need to stick cameras on spine boards to check for bombs. They have equipment made for that purpose.
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/spine-board-side-view.jpg
I don’t see any wheels on it either, looks like a spine board, back board, stretcher, whatever you want to call it, to me.
Additionally, I’ve recently read two different articles citing prison workers’ commentary on Holmes’ eating behaviors. The first said that Holmes has eaten little to nothing and complained about the food and stomach pain. The other article claimed that Holmes “wolfed down” frosted flakes and some other breakfast and lunch items, then slept like a baby at 11:00 a.m. the day of the shooting. I give no credence to either of these articles, but I think it more likely that Holmes ate little, because he looked gaunt in court on Monday.
Not to get off-topic with this post; I just want to get as much of this out as possible before it disappears to show that there is a concerted effort/campaign to create disinfo. If I were the defense, I might argue that it would be impossible to get a fair trial with all that has been released to the public thus far. Conversely, if I were the prosecution, I would argue that all of these loose lips from within the prison and elsewhere serve to compromise the case.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/exclusive-dark-knight-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-claims-amnesia-article-1.1122289
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/07/24/report-james-holmes-slept-like-a-baby-hours-after-colorado-shooting/
He’s in isolation so I really don’t understand how any reports by other inmates can be true. The “spitting” stories have pretty much been retracted.
There is actually an action filed by 21 news agencies, trying to get the judge to unseal the evidence in the case. I don’t know who is behind that move, but as it stands, we will never see anything in terms of evidence of this case as it is typically disclosed to the public. I find that rather telling as well.
I am a bit confused why the passenger side window is broken. It seems when suspect does not get out of the car I have seen them bash out the driver side (the side they are in). (you know like at the end of a car chase) But even more puzzling is why that little bity back side window is bashed too. So is there a standard police procedure as to which side of the car a window would be bashed? Suspect side?
Yep, I’ve discussed that before TXmom. Without the window being broken out, the cop wouldn’t seem like he would have been able to have even seen Holmes, since the drivers side is heavy tinted. Yet if he wasn’t in the car, there would be no reason to break out the windows, let alone two of them, as they would have had the keys.kind of leaves me to belive that the windows were broke out before the cops got there. But why? Did Holmes have enough presence of mind to lock the doors so that the handlers had to to finish the job they started, but ran out of time?
good point.. remember the police report…. when the calls came in about the shooter, two police officers were already at the mall concerning a separate call.. they were immediately sent to the theater.. the shooters probably had access to police radio… and they had not expected the police to respond as quickly… causing them to be a little sloppy in getting away?
Thanks Goat. Just when I think I have read all the threads here, I end up forgetting some.
Hey. I posted the following at InfoWars and it is “Still Awaiting Moderation.” Also, I’m now having bizarre blog and Internet issues. I’m a developer and Internet guro, so I know when something’s not right.
I just discovered your blog and think you might have uncovered what I did as well. I’ll be posting something on this topic and link to your blog at mine, which is http://tyrannynews.com/ .
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I can’t be the first to notice this, but if so then spread this WIDE. Apologies to anyone already posting this, but had to inform quickly.
Upon examining a photo I found of the rear of the theater, I noticed something GLARINGLY obvious.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-120720-batman-aurora-shooting-kb-450p.photoblog900.jpg
Someone was shot OUTSIDE of the theater and at a considerable distance from the right rear emergency exit.
This person sustained an ARTERIAL wound that spurted rapidly as they traveled.
For whatever reason, this person did RE-ENTER THE THEATER via the emergency exit. Note that the door doesn’t have an outside door-knob. I can’t determine whether they were first in the theater, but it is IMPOSSIBLE that they were shot inside unless somehow they exited through the theater entrance and circled all the way around back to re-enter.
Now we’re getting somewhere! Anyone care to back me up on this or take the ball?
The police did report a badly injured bleeding victim that was found outside the back of theater… they (a police officer) loaded victim into his police car and took victim straight to hospital..
The bloody trail leads from exit door to spot where maybe officers assisted victim.?
Hey Jan10, I believe I read on the other page, by someone educated in the blood splatter/trail area, stated that it was positive of a trail going into the theater exit. Which of course brings a whole new load of questions.
If you read the same one I did.. then he/she based info on a shoe print that seemed to be going toward door…. not the actual blood spots… and she may be right… but if another person turned around to help someone, and stepped in blood.. they would have left a print….
The police actually helped a shot victim …. during the police first responders.. victim was found in the back of theater trying to get away…
The way I understand it, is that blood splatters in the direction the person is going. Which indicated towards the door. Also if that person was shot and going away from the door, there would be a nice pile of blood where they stopped.
Yeah Goat, go look at blood path…… larger spots are up closer to door… and it looks like an artery was open… with drops and then a larger expulsion of blood with heart beat… then drops…
then blood loss is getting smaller… victim is losing blood pressure… and blood… someone picked her/him up and probably grabbed wound and put pressure on it…
the scuffs of blood tracings can be from other people stepping in blood and running and the victim stumbling in a forced effort to drag his feet and her/him self away from theater.
Here is an interesting radio bite with an interview with a girl in theater 8. She talks about blood on the stairs at the emergency exit and was not allowed to exit that door. (after a quick interview with a male)
http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2012/07/20/witness-colorado-shooting
Derrik, hope your computer gets better. This has been discussed mostly on the page that begins with “What does the gas mask..” under Aurora Massacre on the far left of your screen. Hope you get to read it before your computer crashes.
Check out (dispatch indicates young girl involved-see her shoes at the exit door:
call me crazy, but has anyone looked closer into the speaking witnesses on tv being fake? does this look like a sad father/gf/best friend?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35lm6BIdraQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I tried looking up other sites on google that would talk about it and I saw a link to GLP clicked it and was told my IP was banned. (this was the first time I’ve ever heard of that site, creepy) I also found that google just won’t show me anything about “fake witnesses” in the aurora interviews. I’m sure people are talking about how sketchy these people are, If you have any resources I can look further into I’d appreciate it.
i believe the same set of fake witnesses was used for all MSM news.
Before i even started speculating I noticed that the guy who famously left his baby behind sounded extremely forced, like he was trying to cry. Then there was another guy who was acting over the top, waving his ticket stub into the camera etc. Bad acting. I think they were used to quickly squash the idea of more than 1 suspect.
also, I’ve heard no other mention about that green screen they were putting up after they fenced off the theatre. I only heard it mentioned one so I’m not sure what purpose it would serve.
That is curious……
What I found extremely strange was Jordan Ghawi’s Tweets that night.
Jordan Ghawi @JordanGhawi
Well this could easily be the worst night of my life.
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He was in Texas at the time of his tweets. At 12:28 on July 20th, he is writing that this could be the worst day of his life??? There is a ONE hour time difference between Colorado and Texas. So at 12:28 San Antonio time (11:28 Aurora), he was Tweeting that it was the worst day of his life?? The Colorado shooting began, a little after 12:30.
Jordan Ghawi @JordanGhawi
It appears that my sister has been fatally wounded in a mass shooting at a movie premiere in Denver, CO.
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Jordan Ghawi @JordanGhawi
Created a blog post which I will update regularly on the status of my sister who was involved in the Denver shooting: http://www.jordanghawi.com/denver-theatre-shooting-jessica-ghawi/ …
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So he’s making a blog just a couple of hours after finding out his sister’s been murdered?!
I read his Tweets last night, and I had the sickest feeling in the pit of my stomach. I realize that people handle grief in different ways, but something about this just rubbed me the wrong way. I saw Jordan in one interview, and I cannot believe he lost someone he loved. He was so matter-of-fact about everything. One of the strangest interviews I have ever seen of a mourning family member.
Wow, nice catch. Even if you argued that the tweet about ‘the worst night of his life’ wasn’t referring to that, he just bragged about how awesome his life was going in the tweet right under. That is sketchy sketchy.
I’ve been warned to stay away from GLP (godlike productions) as they will stick you with a virus and the info isn’t that good anyway. I have heard that 2 girls were considered to be fake, but that was by others who heard and saw them, said their stories were inconsistent with other witnesses-they could have just wandered up to the news people and claimed to have been there to get their 15 min. of fame.
Also, the pink flip flops are not a childs size, they are adult, look at them in comparison to the officer standing nearby, same size feet.
Here’s my theory:
I too believe that Holmes was a patsy but I believe that, from the blood that was on the sidewalk, that the shooter was shot and killed. They put the shooter on the spine board but the shooter must’ve been dead already.
Where would you hide a blood stained spine board with the shooter’s DNA so no rookie cop would even think to look at it or for it? Hide it under one of the main pieces of evidence, the car.
and why wouldn’t they take the spine board out with the body of the dead assailant? would that be the best way to get rid of it rather than taking the body off the board and then tossing it back on the scene under the car?
the blood belongs to the victims that were brought out of the exit door after they secured the suspect. You can hear the cops saying that on the recordings.
IDK, I find it hard to believe they would take the victims out before they triaged them, and at least got them from gushing blood all over. It would also mean that two spurts of blood would have to come together and form a splotch at the end of it where they joined, as most of the spatters are Vs with the opening facing the door, instead of a squirt of blood hitting the concrete, and then opening to form the opening of the V..
they took them out of the theater because it was full of CS gas, Goat. Remember?
Yes triaging is very important but when you have a public shooting scenario where you cant judge whos injured the most right away they just do what they can for the people in trouble at that present time. seems sensible for as much chaos that was occuring
It might have been full of something, but it wasn’t enough to keep the cops out without a gas mask, and if it had been CS gas nobody would have been able to do anything (ever been exposed to CS gas?). They sure aren’t going to take people out the back way right away when they haven’t secured the area yet, and there are no medics waiting. Most the walking injured that were not ready to bleed out looked like they went out the front (and they sure didn’t look like they were exposed to CS), and like I said, they are not going to move somebody bleeding out till they at least get some bandages on them. Even if they did take them out the back, there is not explaining that the blood splatters are going the wrong way of that trail.
http://uday-interesting.blogspot.com/2010/06/bloodstain-pattern-analysis.html
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-9227410/stock-photo-blood-squirt-up-the-wall-from-an-arterial-bleed.html
someone was injured Goat. Lots of people were injured.
No doubt about it, but that doesn’t explain why the blood trail is leading to the door, rather than away from it.
http://hemospat.com/terminology/index.php?cat=projected&sub=projected
Goat, that link you left for blood spot projection was referring to a syringe of blood projected on the floor while holding the syringe parallel to the floor…. did not say which direction ‘victim’ might have been moving.. since the syringe was not moving… just pointing above floor parallel to floor.
http://photos.denverpost.com/2012/07/20/photos-shooting-at-aurora-theater/#11
See photo 11…. at above link….. look at large spot of blood and see the thin streams of blood leading out from the large one.. the thin streams are heading away from exit door….
if you look at the drops (smaller blood spots leading up to large one)…. that is where the artery is leaking… the large spot is the heart beat that expels larger amount of liquid..
as the trail leads away…. even the large spots get smaller… victim is losing blood pressure…
anyway… not going to argue this point any more… you might be right….or wrong…
people were hurt and I believe another shooter has gotten away……which makes me sad and mad….
Obviously the blood in the link I post is traveling in the direction of the that it hit the floor. Look at this link.
http://photos.denverpost.com/2012/07/20/photos-shooting-at-aurora-theater/#4
See the v shaped blood splatter patterns? Nothing I can think of starts at the beginning at two different points and splashes or drips into a central point. Just like the pages I posted, blood hits in a central location and splashes in the same direction it is traveling. Just like any other spill or drop of fluid. Momentum will cause it to travel in the direction it was originally traveling. Shrug, it’s basic physics.
I’m with Goat on the blood splatter thing. It’s impossible for blood to splatter on the ground the way it did if the injured person was coming FROM the exit. All the splatters are an identical “>” shape. Blood/liquid splashes outwards when hitting the ground, it doesn’t form into a single point.
Something must’ve happened where the trail starts and the person then tried to get to the door….so many questions.
I heard several witnesses/victims who said they ran out the back exit door, and not one said they saw the shooter out side. I think the one who ended up near the gas mask was carried by two people, there are bloody footprints on each side of that blood trail (it gets very faint about a third of the way towards the gas mask, but ends in a large pool of blood.
Also, if you can find a clear pic of the overhead car/door area, you can see a faint trail of blood spatters leading up to the door of the white car, just above where 3 evidence markers sit, then just below the markers there is a bunch of gravel from the median scattered on the sidewalk.
Wow that is the most likely scenario I’ve seen explaining the location of the spine board.
Two other details in this pic are the keys in the trunk keyhole, and the three black strips of tape.
Look up Eric Hunters interview on youtube that will clear things up
And if an injured victim was brought out on that board, don’t they load you up into the ambulance with the same board? I’m not sure why that would have been left behind from a victim somehow. Paramedics don’t usually forget those behind do they?
At first, I thought the debris out there behind theater 9 was just from the chaos somehow, but now I’m wondering if every item out there tells part of the story. They had to let one reporter back there to photograph, otherwise everyone would wonder too much. And the pictures from the front have almost no blood.
That one reporter back there, (Karl Gerhing)(There is one other guy back there that got only like 2 or 3 photos) I would wager, was controlled and directed. Too weird that almost every pic of the mask on the corner was from the same angle. The other angle they showed had the mask where it would be blocking the knife.
I wonder if anyone TIVO’d all the news coverage of this event. There was a good amount of aerial footage, but the only aerial footage I can find on youtube they don’t turn the camera ever past halfway down the building, like they knew not to look at the mask on the corner.
What about the “body” they mention in the APD/AFD dispatch audio? I have to listen to the whole thing again, but I believe in the audio someone states: “We need to clear the suspect’s car with the body in it.” So whose body was it??
Which audio? I’d like to hear that. Is that why the two passenger side windows were broken out? Perhaps that was the shooter’s body? James, incoherent or out sitting in the drivers seat when cops arrive? If they’d just release the surveillance video we could see what happened, for some reason they are keeping it quiet.
Have you noticed the censored areas on the gas mask photos? Always at the bottom of the picture. From a distance it looked like a black coat or something piled there, and I kept one photo of a CSI taking photos of what looks like a black nylon cooler with it’s top open, but the bottom of the photo is censored out.
Exactly my thoughts. I saw his tweets very early on and checked his blog while he was updating on the status of his sister. Did you read the entry where he mentioned his conversation at the hospital with his sister’s friend that survived? He said that he was told his sister “presented with agonal respirations”.
That’s a very technical way of talking about your sister’s last minutes alive. Just odd.
Agreed, Sunshinez. I realize that some people are addicted to Fb/Twitter, but to do that immediately after finding out about the death of your sister???
Jordan’s a paramedic so he’d be familiar with using terms like “respirations,” but still. He even tweeted about picking up his sister’s remains! I’m also curious about the media’s adherence in this case to not mention the suspect’s name…Anderson Cooper said he’d abide by that when he was interviewing Jordan, but I’ve noticed a lot of the media saying the same thing. Why this case? Usually the media is OBSESSED with the perp…more so than the victims. What…they finally got a conscience? Doubt it.
Didn’t bullets penetrate through into Theatre 8 from Theatre 9? What did that crowd do – did they possibly panic and start exiting from the emergency door? I watched one interview where a man in theatre 8 either opened or was at the emergency exit of theatre 8 and witnessed the gunman coming towards his door – he slammed the door shut, the gunman banged on the door for 5 seconds and then it stopped. This bloke apparently stopped a couple of girls from running out – or let them in, I can’t recall. What if a girl has exited theatre 8 (wearing pink flip flops??) in the commotion of hearing a shooting taking place in theatre 9. Bad timing means she runs out and there’s the shooter running from theatre 9 down the back of the building straight towards her. He shoots and injures this person – he doesnt want to be seen/witnessed sunning away when James is in the car awaiting capture – he continues running trying to get to the corner of the building. Of course she will run away from him ie towards theatre 9 – by this time there may be people coming out who she hopes can give her assistance? With the amount of blood loss this person has had it would not be suprising if they have passed away – if she was attending solo it would never be known if she was in theatre 8 originally, or in the chaos just assumed to be someone shot in theatre 9?
that sounds like a plausible explanation. I just don’t know how that fits into the timeline…
Also, i’m still questioning whether bullets actually wounded anyone in theater 8. From the layout of the theater it seems like the shooter would’ve had to shoot towards the screen, and others mentioned that neither weapons used would have sufficient power.
I read that there was a girl who was shot in the mouth in theater 8, and one other injury of another person. That was the day it happened, so it’s probably long buried somewhere online.
im struggling to find the video, was linked from youtube….from memory if was a largish black man, in maybe his mid-late twenties and it was an interview from Fox and Friends? He called his wife because they had a new born at home and he wanted to tell her he was ok….anyone got it?
I have posted it on the original ‘Aurora Massacre’ about the guy who was trying to flee from theater 8 to find a wounded female and friend that he let in then kept anyone else from entering or exiting .. because he saw a gunman approaching. Hope you can find it again.
Beefs, I think this is the guy you’re talking about.
The more I listen to these “witnesses,” the more believe they’re all fake.
Google Eric Hunter, there is a profile on an talent website and it is the same person (Aurora address etc). Not saying that actors/musicians couldn’t have been at the movies that day but it seems suspicious that he was a key witness giving interviews. (i believe his site is blackmerehouse.wix.com and godlikeproductions site had a thread about it).
This dude has made so much money doing interviews!! He’s been on every single effing network.
The guy who left his crying baby and his girl and daughter behind so he wouldn’t get shot takes the cake for me. This guy sounded beyond fake from the beginning. Not to mention it created a good distraction because people were all of a sudden outraged over his parenting, and then they turned into a love story by him proposing to his girl in the hospital. Very cliche.
Eric Hunter
Orrrr – option two. The second shooter has come out of Theatre 9 and started to run towards the corner of the building (gasmask on to avoid cameras etc). He see patrons begin to exit theatre 8 and runs towards the door, bangs a bit to put the wind up them and then takes off. When he gets to the corner of the building the cops are nearly there, he doesnt want to get pinged with the evidence (gasmask 2 etc) so drops it and starts running back towards Theatre 9 – hoping to blend in. The cops have a pot shot at him and wound him – makes his way to theatre door still, bleeding out…Kinda hazy what would happen here – what reason would you have not to announce two shooters or one shooter/one accomplice, one dead and one in custody?? Or maybe he shot himself – fit into crowd as a wounded moviegoer? Kinda messed that up if he did…there’s a lot of blood there
That is similar to what I thought once I realized that the blood trail was going toward the exit. In my head I see more cops involved and with that I hope we do not see an unreal rate of those responding officers suddenly … cough.. disappearing.
But! I am also relying on some guy on the web who relentlessly argued about the blood trail and his experience. I have tried to research any other person who had expertise in the matter of blood trails and came up thus far with diddle squat. Frustrating.
This is true – I can envision a split/jagged wound on say the back of your leg, femoral artery – that as you walked/ran away from the theatre it pumped into two distinct streams outwards and as the pump lost strength the met in a V and pooled – meaning someone moving away from the theatre…pure net speculation from a punter there I must admit/ Have you tried getting in contact with Dexter?
I was wondering how long it would take somebody to point that out.
I just want to say…”Keep at ‘em Goat!” I actually thought I was a genius when I noticed the “single” blood trail leading from the “right” toward the theater exit. It astonished me that I was the only one reporting this. Now, it just makes it easier to “spot the puppets.”
“…two distinct streams outwards and as the pump lost strength the met in a V and pooled…” Ahhh, yes. Well, I’m convinced.
1. Injured person was shot OUTSIDE of theater.
2. Injured person, once injured traveled ONCE from the right toward the theater door.
3. Anyone with intelligent comments suddenly playing stupid in this regard is not being truthful.
Well, somebody did finally figure out it could have been gushing from the back as they were traveling to the right. I’ve thought that is a possibility for several days now, though I still don’t think that it fits the scene, for all the reasons I have already pointed out.
Somebody leaking that bad, I doubt would have made it to the far right from the exist without bleeding out long before, which more shows evidence that is what they did more so at at the exit side, then the right side, which you have no pooling of blood where the people who argue they were traveling in that directing would have stopped, and we would have to assume that anybody bleeding that much wouldn’t have been giving some triage before they were moved.
Also the length of the splash looks like they were traveling rather fast towards the exit rather then fast away, or the splashes would have been much shorter. Personally, I find the explanation of the blood trail troubling no matter how you look at it, like most other things we see with this, but less so with the bleeder traveling away from the exit.
If I wanted to duplicate those V splashes, the easiest way I could think to do it is to project blood towards the exit, then use a brush to dribble another arm of the V from the contact point.
Keep in mind we got in this discussion to begin with because they have already said it was the gal that O was visiting, who showed no current signs of an injury to the neck, AS their explanation for the blood trail.
If the wound was on someone’s leg.. say the calf or the thigh, and they were running, which way would the splatter have gone? Forward or backwards? How about someone’s arms swinging back and forth as they ran? Which way would that spray have gone? What if someone were being carried in a hurry with their arms and legs flailing as they went. Where does that spatter go? There are just too many questions concerning that aspect of the case and when the DNA comes out, if it ever comes out, then you have your answer. Till then, too many questions.
A blood splatter analyst could figure this out in a matter of seconds. I wish I knew a real life Dexter…I still believe you’re right though.
I haven’t been able to confirm this but rumors are swirling that his father was supposed to testify before congress about the Libor case in a few short weeks. Hmmmm if thats true that adds a whole new layer to this…”curiouser and curiouser “as Alice said…
Yes, Robert Holmes was to testify. He’s had ties with RAND corp (creators of the Delphi technique, a mass mind control method) as well as DARPA. There is a thread on an excellent prepper board on the Aurora subject I’d suggest you folks read (join up, I’m a member there, Flippper) The thread is long now, but has a lot of good info and photos.
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?409226-12-Dead-50-Injured-In-MASS-SHOOTING-At-Aurora-Colorado-Movie-Theater-7-20-2012
Hope it’s ok to post that!
The DARPA connection is Wayne Madsen, so I bet that’s true, but the LIBOR testifing thing is from Sasha Faal originally I believe.
That’s exactly what I thought. I can’t begin to picture the heartbreak one must go through after hearing that a family member got murdered in such a tragedy, and coupled with the fact that he had to leave everything and fly to Colorado and then deal with law enforcement and staying in touch with family etc I just find it weird that he’d have the desire/time/energy to keep tweeting about it.
Then he went on a Media binge while still blogging/tweeting tirelessly. Keeping JH’s name out the Media? Oooooh ok…let’s not kid ourselves, they LOVE these things. There’s a reason they didn’t want to focus on JH and I think we all know what that reason is.
I believe the senate hearing schedule can be looked up by the public on their website, but only a few days in advance. If there is indeed a hearing on this it would put more pieces together. Robert Holmes’ profession has been confirmed and should be looked at in connection with all this.
Are comments being delayed or? I posted a comment and no notification is given as to whether it made it or will be allowed (I’m fairly used to being erased no matter what I write), but usually it at least tells you if it’s awaiting moderation. I don’t expect it will even go thru at all, but I bet this one makes it.
We have all noticed this before… seems WordPress blocks certain words as ‘spam’…. and Scott has to go find your comment… it is not lost , it is just being held somewhere…. he’ll find it as soon as he gets back on his computer…
I forget what the forbidden words are…:(
keep up the good reporting. I just was curious why one of your possible scenarios does not include the possibility that this spine board was used to tr@nsport the incapacitated “p@tsy” to the vehicle? (cut my post to barebones, you are censoring or *someone else* is
First one I suggested up at the top.
possibility of multiple (professional) shooters, eliminated and counted as victims like in 1st Dark Knight movie.
wow that finally made it thru now my last point: the possibility exists the whole thing is S_T_A_G_E_D (this is ridiculous I have tried to posted this a dozen times now
Has anyone come across a layout of the inside of theatres 8/9? I can’t seem to find any.
Cnn had a 2D model on a screen during one of their airings. Sorry that is all I remember. I think it was from a link on this site so I did not save it.
I’d like to see that myself.
I have a copy on my desk top.. as an JPG file but I don’t know how to bring it to this comment…
how do I do that?
Use a hosting service like I have been. Been using this one.
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/7vkdm
Thanks Goat, but Derrick just posted the exact image that I was trying to post !
You might find this helpful, as it likely represents an approximate layout of the theater interior…
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2012/0721/20120721_015723_CD0721SHOOTSCENE.jpg
Yes, that is the same image I have, Derrick !
Ftufyu, I’m seeing your posts. And there is a lot that makes it definitely seem like this was staged.
Just another thing to the list of odd things that don’t make sense about this….the getaway car wasn’t backed into the parking spot for a quick escape.
no you see about 1/10th of the message I wanted to post and another part that wouldn’t go thru at all.
Good point!
Now that he’s been formally charged, and all signs point to some sort of insanity defense, with no other parties being investigated… what are we supposed to do with all this type of information?
It makes me mad and sad every time I see news footage of it, and I feel pretty helpless to do anything…. how this all “makes sense” to everyone else is beyond me.
It’s great to discuss the (many) problems of this case, but I’m curious… what do you guys think we can actually do to help/influence/change what’s going on?
That’s strange, ftuhfyu4.
I agree, D.D. Covers. Is there anything that can be done? It’s so disheartening when it’s the powers that be who control everything. There’s got to be an honest journalist/lawyer, someone with more power than us, out there somewhere. It’s scary to think that the media KNOW about all of this, and are choosing to not cover it.
I would really hope so, else I dont see the point in devoting so much time to it.
I would hope if we bombard enough local news media with it — pointing out merely the inconsistent facts, pictures, all laid out in a well written manner — without coming to any sort of conclusion as to “why” this might happen — they would investigate deeper.
Pray that the truth comes out.
Thats how i feel. I live in the Uk so feel really helpless. I wish i could stand outside the courts go to the Aurora police, something anything to make a fuss. We need to find a way of campaigning. Are you on FB, there is a truth about James Eagen Holmes Page. I think if we could spread the word about one page, we can get a good idea of the number of people who think this is wrong.
I should add I don’t think its the owner of this website blocking the posts
hey D.D 0 my two cents (if allowed) – they won’t be able to do stuff like this with a discerning media and public. This is not just some “lone nut” scenario.
Agreed… but MSM continue to only portray that scenario. I tried writing local media stations here about all the problems, its the only thing I could think to do.
It’s awful to know there’s so many holes in the story and feeling powerless…after all if our theories are true this man possibly gets the death sentence for nothing and somebody else is still on the loose!
I think part of the problem is that we’ve all been conditioned to assume we can’t do anything about these things when maybe we just need to make a coordinated effort. What about putting this compilation of findings into a detailed dossier and sending it to JH’s family maybe? It seems like they might be able to get a good lawyer and get the ball rolling somewhere…
One would hope, but it all seems like nobody cares/everyone accepts what they are being told. Any story that doesn’t fit the current version mysteriously disappears (no bother with the standard “retraction” protocol). I’m at the point where I can barely stand to read this, because it is so clear that something isn’t right – - but I dont know what to do about it. The only thing I can think of is to weed through all of these pages of comments, find the ones showing unanswered facts and keep sending this summary to my local Denver media, maybe his public defender, I dont know. Last time I brought this up, I was told “wrong planet,” so maybe I’m just being naive and ridiculous, but I don’t see the point in everyone’s work and thought here, if we dont at least try to get someone else to hear us.
I, too, wish we could reach the defense and reputable media with our collective news clippings and analysis and present it to them. So many horrific lies have been promulgated and passed off as fact by the MSM (a few of which they have very quietly retracted) and quasi-tabloids, that I don’t see how this many could possibly receive a fair trial at this point when he has already been tried and hanged in the court of public opinion.
I waiver between feeling that Holmes didn’t do it, that he was a victim of an MK-Ultra-like conspiracy, to feeling that he was involved but was incredibly ill, a victim of schizophrenia or of psych. meds, whose grip on reality waned until it was finally lost. Both may be true.
Either way, despite the atrocities committed, it breaks my heart that society shuns the mentally ill, locks them away, sentences them to death. How have we changed from the society of the past that would institutionalize persons with autism or physical disabilities and just lock them up in state hospitals? If they are a menace to society, by all means, keep them away, but to throw them in a little dark box for decades…?
I mean no disrespect to the poor victims of this heinous event, but this wasn’t a crime committed out of rage and malice by someone who just wants to inflict pain, like when someone kills his ex-spouse and kidnaps their kid. This was committed by someone described as a once-sensitive, genial person who knew he had a problem and was seeking help. The “help” didn’t work, and he probably tried to self-medicate, particularly as he saw his illness slowly destroying his life and career prospects. He tried to reach out for connection and perhaps a social safety net (hence the adult friendfinder and match.com ads), but substantive help didn’t come quick enough in the end. Unfortunately for him, he was an intellectual guy, which allowed him to do way more damage than someone not so bright. (That is, if he even did what he is accused of without manipulation by a third party.)
I guess I just think that our approach to dealing with criminals is a bit effed up (most in the prison population have IQs in the mentally retarded range a prison psychologist neighbor told me), and I’m disturbed to think that this dude’s case will be handled in the same way some gang-banger’s would. If he is sentenced to death or even life in prison, I will feel guilty as a member of the society that allowed it to happen.
Ben Swann ~ maybe giving this guy a bunch of support will help.
http://www.fox19.com/story/19104797/reality-check-unanswered-questions-about-colorado-theater-massacre
Ben is with Fox Entertainment, not Fox News. Not the same. It is owned by the employees and not one of the 7 corporations that own the other networks. It’s one of the reasons he has more latitude in reporting stories.
Can;t believe he actually is questioning where the money came from for the guns and stuff, and about Holmes warning the police about the wired apt! Maybe D.D. ‘s effort to send info out to the media did help…
nice link ,TxMom
I saw this article too… his uncle may be receptive to helping him? And it’s this neighbors son, cant remember his name, who in a recent video interview, said he thought James was set up.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9416850/Batman-cinema-shooting-James-Holmes-is-nice-easy-going-guy-says-uncle.html
Nice work! This is why I thought family might be a good thing to consider for the information presented here. Maybe not even his parents but others. What about his younger sister that goes to uni in San Diego? I’m not sure how old she is though.
okay, so we know he exists.
at sunshinez: couldnt reply directly to your last comment., so…
I found this link too. Hopefully takes you to a neighbor video:
http://www.thecalifornian.com/videonetwork/1745954602001?odyssey=mod|tvideo|article
And these are among the only articles I have seen with people who ever knew him. All articles from The Californian in Salinas, who would seem interested in helping him? Or at least dont seem hostile.
http://www.thecalifornian.com/article/20120723/NEWS01/307230011/Castroville-classmates-stunned-youth-James-Holmes-friends-everybody-
Thanks, those are great links. Has anybody on here compiled the information and theories in any way so that all of us could use it to spread around to people?
I’m still trying to find out who the former roommate from UC Riverside was that posted that long statement on FB saying James is not the monster the MSM is portraying him to be. It only comes up when you google “James Holmes roommate”. Maybe someone can help? I feel that he might be willing to listen to this.
What is the first guy talking about in this link? http://www.thecalifornian.com/videonetwork/1745954602001?odyssey=mod
I got confused when he said some guy came to his door and told him he had to leave now or something and the guy was in his knickers and had to get his clothes. Pardon me? lol
@Jessie… he was speaking about an experience where he was evacuated from his home. He lived in the area they evacuated in the wee hours of the morning and he stated he was in his boxers. Twist on words much? Grr.
Here’s the post from the former roommate that someone was looking for: http://ronireports.com/2012/07/27/thoughts-about-a-friend-named-james-holmes-former-college-roommate-speaks-out/
Yes, that is the post I was talking about. I’m trying to find out that person’s name…It seems they might be receptive to some of the ideas on here.
So he had a facebook profile, and deactivated it in 2010?
Makes those dating site profiles seem even more fake.
I concur D.D., they even got his height wrong. The first time i saw his adultfriend finder profile it said his height was 6’0. Now it says his height is 5’11, I thought his height was said to be about 6’3? And those were recently put up because word is he just recently dyed his hair….I don’t know, maybe I’m missing something here.
There’s news report that today, Holmes was still in the same mental state as he was last Monday. He opened his eyes wide a few times. And he only said “Yes” when the Judge asked him about waiving the preliminary hearing in 30 days.
Back to this article… there should be no reason to leave the stretcher under the car. Although, I remember hearing reports of bombs either in the building or in the car.. and i think an officer was able to disarm a bomb in the car.. or something like that. If SWAT was indeed called to the scene, then they would be the one to use their equipment to detect bombs under the car.. but it should used with a camera robot.. not a stretcher. So .. I dont know.. nothing seems to explain why it is under the car. None of the suggestions seems so.
Read TxMom’s comment and link at above comment…!!!
Thank you for the link to the layout of the theatre.
As for what we can do about all of this, sadly I don’t think there are many in the mainstream media we could turn to as I feel a lot of them are also playing a role in this. Why else would they be blatantly ignoring so much?
TxMom! Thanks so much for the Ben Swann link. This is GOOD news.
Apologies if these questions have already been asked and answered, but there are a few things that I haven’t seen mentioned that are also curious or might be worth mentioning:
1. It looks like the main passenger window is also shattered. Why both windows, and why the passenger side? Unless he was in the passenger side? But why would you get in the passenger side if you were looking to escape?
Supporting Evidence: http://imgur.com/QIt1h
2. Some have suggested that the blood splatters on the sidewalk appear to indicate that the bleeder was walking towards theater 9 door. If that is true, where was he/she shot? How did the large amount of blood get to the area where the gas mask is? Why is there a large area of no blood between parking spaces 7 to 22?
Supporting Evidence: http://imgur.com/d1NPR
More questions than answers, but I thought I’d pile on to the list of things that don’t make sense.
I think he was on the drivers side but they broke out the passenger side to leave him uninjured
I heard Holmes was so medicated when the police apprehended him, they requested a stretcher.
Then why would EMT leave it at the scene? THats not protocol.
You know this is fake! lol. How is this dude smiling people just died and got injured in this “event”? Wow, whomever hired these people did not hire good actors. Sloppy work and sloppy acting.
yep he is lying, rubbing his nose. And i have noticed that most of the “witnesses” keep saying that they initially thought the gun shots were firecrackers. They have all been coached.
This is the first time I heard of an “emergency alarm” going off after the shooting happened. Where was the alarm that alerts staff that someone opened the exit door? 20+ minutes go by and nobody checks on that on a big opening night where they know people could be sneaking in their friends?!
Man, if this thing’s for real how many of you are wishing the movie was like “My Dinner with Andre” or “Howard’s End” instead of Batman?
Zzzzinnng!
Then, we might be hearing accounts from witnesses with critical thinking skills. At least a few would have been of higher caliber witness. Although, if this was staged then it’s more likely regular folk would slip up, I guess? They probably have.
A witness in theatre 8 says the emergency alarm sound with a person saying “Murder in the Theatre, murder in the theatre”. Strange for a movie theatre to have that particular alarm don’t you think?…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS2TGevJu0c&feature=player_embedded
I heard that too. I’m surprised no one else mentioned it.
Oh this is good: http://ascendingstarseed.wordpress.com/2012/07/24/police-radio-communications-confirm-bat-man-shooting-staged-phony-a-drill-by-jim-stone/
This link refers to the ‘ENTIRE’ thing as being staged. I mean it does come to question how no body bags are seen leaving, no view of inside the theater, no CCTV to view… but complete with actors staged? Hmmm… Thinking this makes those of us that have ‘factual’ questions merge into those that have taken to a more radical view.
I guess like how radical religions, radical conspiracy theorist, radical race issues… etc. get factored in on too many situations where real people are asking real questions.
Example: I had issue with GMO in food, shared that info on FB… and found how FDA and Monosito and gooberment were practically arm in arm. Me? I shared that info and Wow! Did my old classmates, some recent friends and some family members tried to lump me in with some radical movement against the gooberment. I mean Geez!
I think some of this ‘way radical’ ideas of “what happened in Aurora” are either some very off the wall people OR a huge way of arming the regular joe’s of associating people like me with those crazies out there.
Just saying.
Wow, the guy in the video looks like he had a wonderful time. All smiles! After going through such a traumatic experience? Disturbing.
willyloman/Scott is there a link somewhere to privately message you?
you can email me rscdesigns@verizon.net
Omg, Kay. This stuff is frightening.
“Where do you want the family members to stage?” is what i just heard on one of the clips.
Crazy, I know.
I heard it as well. I was all types of confused. Weird.
Unrelated, but here’s a video I hadn’t seen before: A guy who claims he saw Holmes with “pink hair and earrings” getting a scope installed on his rifle on July 1. I find this hard to believe, as Holmes has no earring holes from the photos I’ve seen, and he had a beer with a guy at a local bar just a few days before the shooting, and that guy made no mention of crazy orange hair–he only mentions glasses and a backpack. More disinfo? http://www.thecalifornian.com/videonetwork/1745954602001?odyssey=mod
I’ve also seen an interview with a guy at a pawn shop who claims that Holmes visited the store on a few occasions during the year leading up to shootings, and I’ve even read an article claiming that Holmes visited an Aurora church about a month before the shooting. People seem to be coming out of the woodwork now claiming Holmes visited their establishment. Perhaps it’s some sort of sick way to gain attention? http://www.christianpost.com/news/james-holmes-went-to-church-weeks-before-colo-shooting-78629/
Yeah I think a lot of fake stories are coming out now to further cement the idea that James was indeed a lone crazed nut. Yesterday I read a story where a prostitute claims James came to see her a week before the shooting with red hair. Yet just a few days later he had no red hair when he had a beer with that guy.
They’re fabricating stuff as we speak.
Websites are changing, Media sites are omitting original statements (originally posted that at JH residence… Public records indicate he had two roommates) Even statements from witnesses are changing. Oh what a tangled web!! It is now lucky that anyone saved info withing the first 24-48 hours of news. Because most of that info is gone or tampered. Anything left is pure ‘disinfo’ to be pored out. So sad.
I would love to ask that security guard that had a beer with James Holmes on Tuesday of that week if he had orange hair or not then. What day did the Adult Friend Finder account get created?
He mentioned other stuff about James’ appearance so I don’t think he had the red hair.
I don’t know when the AFF profile was created. The only thing I ever heard about that was that he signed in within 2-3 days of the shooting which is a weird way of putting it since those things can be proven down to the minute. So it’s definitely worth looking into since it’s cutting it close to the bar meeting Tuesday night.
Btw his birth date on AFF is wrong….
Security guard is different from person (Jackie I think) who saw him Tuesday night.
@sunshinez
I never seem able to reply to your responses that get threaded above. I never saw the old roommate message (I dont FB) but I’m happy to help you find the person. Seems CA connections/media would be the best channels for supportive people…the young next door neighbor, Salinas paper, etc. I’m in Denver, so I think I’ll have a harder time with local media.
He does have a younger sister, but I assume she’s having a super tough time
I’m having a hard time responding directly to people too, so no worries!
I posted that FB statement on this blog somewhere but I don’t remember on which post. I need to get my laptop up and running again and at that point I’ll definitely put some time and effort into getting the message out. I live close to LA so I think I’m in a good spot as far as people from his past and some local news you pointed out.
I’m really just trying to figure out the right way to go about it since this is obviously a touchy subject that offends people easily…nobody ever wants to hear that the mass murderer might not have been the one. Maybe someone who’s contacted media etc already can point me in the right direction?
I did a little digging and found her…her name is Chris Holmes and she’s a musician. Her musician page is still up on FB but no activity since May. She’s only 19 though so it doesn’t feel right to contact her…I know these are the worst days of her life. She apparently wrote a song called “Walking down death row” in the past. How awful & heartbreaking.
I believe I read the AFF was created July 5.
This article plainly states that Holmes did not have dyed hair about a week and a half before the shooting, per his neighbor (page 2). This is the first article I’ve seen in which it’s been so plainly stated. Good stuff.
Sorry–here’s the link: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/24/nation/la-na-colorado-shooter-profile-20120724
And what’s up with the “fake looking red beard” they mention at :50 in this video?
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/dateline/48266729#48266841
I wonder who said that?
Check out this…I ran the hi res image from Denver Post Blog of the gas mask pics though this photo forensics tool. It gives off a lot of info that I don’t understand, maybe someone out there can analyze photos or comprehend this info, but this is what I did find right away.
The pic of the gask mask with no knife is time marked July 20th, 10:20
http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=1bcd5ee80fb7762dd07d8228f77d12e90f25ef6d.81064
The photo with the other mask with the knife is dated July 20th, 10:27
http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=9d469a3f9d9a839948c8869ca0d7d69ee5fc2284.78676
Only 7 minutes between the pictures.
why does it seem like the bottom of these pictures has been altered?
I’m sorry to be the party pooper, but I’m not convinced that it’s a knife in the picture. The mask appears to have been touched or moved and possibly digitally altered. However, the ‘knife’ looks like it’s just part of the evidence report paper. They come in an envelope, and the seal faces toward the bottom creating a shadow.
Great work everyone !
Got a few angles I’m exploring… but more on that later.
Here is a report that the accused did not have red hair just a little over a week before the shooting. Apparently, he was looking for a new apartment.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-colorado-shooter-profile-20120724,0,2557062.story
I deems the dating profile sites ‘questionable’ as his hair in court is much longer, it couldn’t possible grow that much in a week.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO FOLKS???? I refuse to allow this to happen to someone. We KNOW something is wrong here. I think we should make a document with everything we have found and questions we want answering, maybe make an online petition declareing WE WANT ANSWERES and circulate the document to as many people as we can, James Holmes family, Media, Police, Courts, the fucking White House. We have to act quick, this poor kid could get the death penalty.
Agreed, Susie. The only problem is so many of those – police, government, media- are the ones who are corrupt in all of this.
If you look at the comments on the Youtube videos of “witnesses,” there are a lot of people who feel there is something very wrong with this…and the number seems to be growing. The question is, what can we do, who can be trusted?
I agree! I have like two sheets of paper (front and back) of clues that I’ve written down. Because a lot of this does not make sense. I think everybody’s hearing the police audio and so it makes them question is any of this real or not. LIke, at 12:46am, in the police audio, JH is detained in the cop car and he is with them like the whole time, through the whole audio event while cops are talking about two or three other suspects. Which of whom one actually goes back in to theatre room 9!
We need to get everyone on one page, in one group so we can work together. How do people feel about joing the Facebook page Truth about James Eagen Holmes (im not the page owner but have been in the group all week and its good)
https://www.facebook.com/#!/TruthAboutJamesEagenHolmes
Power in numbers, we cant be igonored if we get enough of us together demanding answers. If you see other things on Youtube etc… leave a comment asking people to join this page then we will soon get everyone together.
This way we can delogate work to people who want to be involved so we’re not all working on the same thing, share what we have come up with and put it all together. Some people might be better at find out certain things, so it would be good to have the right people on the right tasks….
What skills do we have between us?
Who knows how to start an online petition?
Who’s good at find names and addresses?
What qualifications do we have that may help in a particular field?
WE CANNOT allow this to happen…. Fight back!
I need to look over that page. I liked what they put up regarding the artist’s renderings of the court appearance of Holmes. I don’t think an online petition will do much. I wrote one back in 2007 or so to remove Pelosi as speaker of the house because she back off of investigating Bush for war crimes and crimes against humanity and the move to impeach him and cheney. It currently has 10,000 signatures… sent it to congress… never heard back from them.
http://www.petitiononline.com/everyman/petition.html
But you can create a petition online at the link I provided above. I wonder what there is that we can do. I need photos of the entire back wall of that theater if anyone is around there, not just the one section where the camera used to be.
I know they let Chris Hanson into the apartment and he reportedly came out claiming there were traps and such set up, but I trust him as far as I can throw Rush Limbaugh so if anyone knows where photos of the interior of that apartment are, that would be good to get.
I’m like the other reader who wonders about the apartment being trapped in the first place. All the photos I have seen taken from outside looking through the window makes it seem like just a normal college student’s apartment. But who knows.
We need definite proof that what is pictured lying next to the car is in fact the second gas mask. Damn sure looks like one and that fits with the police records of the radio log, but we need to verify it.
Ultimately, we need to know what happened to that camera and why no one is talking about security camera footage. has to be cameras on that back wall somewhere. Where? What happened to the footage?
That’s the problem, I don’t think there ARE photos in existence of the apartment, not much more than what we’ve seen…simply because I don’t believe the apartment was filled wires, explosives, etc. Although, that’d be a big mistake for them during the trial so maybe it was…but not done by James.
There was one video I saw with officers inside the apartment that showed a house plant on the table, a TV, and an almost empty jug of milk out on the stove. (who leaves milk out on the stove? Or the police moved it there?) Not much info there but it was more than I had seen previously. The narrator was a British woman. I’ll see if I can find it again, I think it was Friday I watched it.
http://kdvr.com/2012/07/26/police-release-apartment-building-theater-shooting-suspects-door-barred/
Found the video. The narrator was not British, not sure why I was remembering it that way.
That milk looked old! lol
There was a computer visual on CNN that “showed” how it was booby trapped at the front door… supposingly 4 or 5 rows deep of jugs of liquids with a tripwire — which immediately made me question how he could’ve gotten out, or that if he built it moving backward, no one saw him at the door? This video is slightly different from the other one I saw:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2012/07/24/tsr-foreman-magic-wall-holmes-apart-death-trap.cnn#/video/us/2012/07/24/tsr-foreman-magic-wall-holmes-apart-death-trap.cnn
Good point DDCovers. How convenient that it was rigged from the door so that the only way for police to enter was through the windows, at full view of the world media! But how did Holmes exit? Interestingly, despite reports he devised an ‘intricate system of booby traps with dozens of home made bombs, rigged with the intent to kill, particularly Police’, and two detonations going off, he only received a charge of ONE count of possessing an explosive device. I’d like to know what for! The charge could also be for the smoke canister he allegedly threw in the theater. Some say there were two. Or, it could be one of the guns, but there were 4. It appears the very lethal booby trap saga isn’t holding up in court.
ah yes, my thoughts exactly, so perhaps the fire exit? But alas, there is not one. if he climbed down with rope, then.. well how would you close the window? Oh, but if you mention this, they will just say that the reports are wrong, or maybe that he built some jet pack or something… I am beginning to think this is some social experiment to see how clueless and gullible people are.
good point on the social experiment…though i think the “osama” watching osama on tv in the basement tape already proved that on a scale of 1-10 the gullibility level of the public is at least at a 12
The only shot found of the inside of apartment, I’m afraid.
http://localtvkdvr.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/door1.jpg
As for the security camera’s, the damn tree is covering the precise spot we’d like to see.
http://cdn.washingtonexaminer.biz/cache/r620-d826c630fcaa518c90a5769eab6178b5.jpg
While looking for a view of the back, I came across a shot I’d not seen before that places the gas mask farther out than I’d thought.
http://www.tondan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Gas-Mask-Used-by-James-Holmes-lays-outside-Century-16-Theater-in-Aurora-Colorado.jpg
Here’s a close up. The mask is actually sitting in the white-lined ‘no parking’ area.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/20/article-2176718-1425D11F000005DC-131_634x384.jpg
I guess The Washington Post kinda got it right.
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/post-version.jpg
Hey go look at the security camera with the tree blocking it, you can see it fairly well, but that’s not why I’m replying-did you even notice the grass? Someone took off out of the parking lot in a big hurry, driving over the grass and leaving deep marks, I wonder if anyone else has noticed this? I’m posting at TB2K and see what others think…
Amazing find!!!
It could have been there before shooting. Even if we could get our hands on a picture of the same spot the day before the shooting, showing no marks, it still wouldn’t helps us understand what happened. In the clip Kay posted below; at 1.05 to 1.20 a white car parks on that same grassy knoll, someone gets out and walks through side lot. It seems the rescue crew & police have been driving through there all along. Those marks are far too variable to come to any conclusions. You have good eyes for noticing though
Nice finds. What is that above the door? I swear it almost looks like it could be a camera, with something hanging over it.
I think it’s a light. If you look at night photos, you can see all doors have that box and it illuminates the area.
The camera’s we’re looking for, seem to sit on the very top purple rim of the building. Here is one at front of building:
http://smallbusiness.foxbusiness.com/marketing-sales/2012/07/23/small-business-apologizes-for-misinformed-aurora-tweet/
Someone said he lives in area and went to have a look, and found NO cameras. I lost his comment, but wanted o ask, did he mean no cameras on the back wall, or no cameras anywhere?
What about cameras in the stand alone lights throughout car park? I’ve seen that done before…
I remember that post…if I’m not mistaken I think he said there were no cameras. Since this is a mall area the parking lot should be covered by security cams. The fact that the MSM hasn’t so much as mentioned the word stinks to high heavens!
I guess the footage from the event is where the footage of that plane hitting the Pentagon is…
Ok, that first photo, I am wondering if that is the vehicle from the police audio. Someone drove on the grass and the last photo gave a good description, the two exits at both ends must be where the shooters got free and were able to leave.
Hasn’t the BO administration started this thing where if any petition filed with the gov’t that gets a certain amount of signatures within a certain amount of time has to be answered to by the white house?
That’s not to say that the answer wouldn’t be some bs explanation…
They claim that anyone who writes a letter to Obama, will get an answer…. probably a form letter….
Sounds like a start. I’ll join the Fb page, and starting an online petition is pretty easy to do. We just need to find a way to word the cause.
I think it’s extremely important that we all have a place to come together and discuss this. Then we can delegate work and tasks based on people’s time, location, skills, etc. You are right, we have numbers! And never in history have people had an easier way to assemble than we do now with the internet. All we need is people who are willing to put in the effort. I am based in CA and would be more than willing to do what I can over here.
What in the world is it with people who want to organize with Facebook??? Why not just go to WordPress.com and and start a dedicated website in three minutes?! You trust Facebook??? It’s also EASY to start a totally independent site by registering a (domain) name at nearlyfreespeech.net for >10$, and an adjustable bandwidth one-click-setup completely independent WordPress site at http://asmallorange.com/hosting/shared/ for $35 Per YEAR! That comes to $45 per year (extra bandwidth: $0.50 per GB per month!) So you will never lose your domain name in any argument with the (different) host! Facebook accounts disappear with no reason given every day! And look what happened to this guy:
https://www.facebook.com/limitedpressing/posts/209534972507958
He would have been disappeared too, except the story went viral on all the IT tech sites. I NEVER USE FACEBOOK!!!
Haha Good point about Fb. Ok. Scrap that idea!
One of the reasons why I do NOT have FB.
Thats fine, i just suggeted it as i had joined a group on there about James Holmse. Post a link for the new site when its running.
You know what its up to you if you want to join the group on facebook. I still think its a good way of getting people in one group until someone makes a different site. Then the new site can be advertised on there to all the memebers.
Hey all. I found another site questioning the case. It’s a Canada Free Press article: “Serious questions surround Colorado shooting”
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/48415
“Also at this time, data is returned on the Colorado license plate reportedly affixed to the vehicle used by suspect Holmes. The address provided to the officers on site did not match the address known to be that of suspect Holmes.”
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/48415
…”a patrol officer reports that he is going to the address where the suspect’s vehicle is registered to perform surveillance, perhaps to watch for other possible suspects returning to that location. Again, the address associated with the vehicle does not match the physical address where the fire trucks and bomb squads congregated.”
This is an outrage. Nobody even mentioned that anywhere! I wish the address and name(s?) of the residents were known….wow. Just wow.
Brilliant find JustCarolyn!!
Not sure if these pics are useful for anyone, but Getty pics have super good resolution and they are several of the blood behind the theatre.
http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?assettype=Image&sfkc=James+Holmes+-+Suspect+in+2012+Aurora+Shooting
AP also has lots of good pictures, especially of all the evidence markers, etc in back. You need to sort the 700+ photos to display oldest ones first… then a few pages in…
(sorry for long link)
http://www.apimages.com/Search.aspx?st=k&kw=%22colorado%20shooting%22&id=643772&showact=results&sort=creationdatelower%3Aalphabetical&cfas=TITLE%2CTITLE&sh=10&dteaf=7%2F19%2F2012&kwstyle=or&adte=1343774907&moid=150109&pagez=60&cfasstyle=AND&TITLE=%22COLORADO%20SHOOTING%22%2C%22COLORADO%20SHOOTING%22
Why do I feel like they are wearing the Batman T-shirts just to show to our faces that they were there? is it just me that finds it a little inappropriate?
maybe they are being paid to advertise movie?
Hey, I found Chief Dan Oates Adult Friend Finder account!…
http://tyrannynews.com/oates_aff.jpg
Enjoy.
nice
that made for a good laugh in all this madness…lol
Has anyone seen this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wVK0ecAV-o&feature=g-logo-rec
You’ll get a laugh out of this one. But what is interesting is the aerial video. I got a clear idea that if a vehicle was fleeing from the scene and with the parking lot design, how can a cop miss that one!?!?
Hi Kay, did you say you have experience in the field? I’m really curious about the car’s broken windows. Is it procedure to smash them in, just to get a better look inside? Can you see into tinted windows with a torch? Do they smash a particular side when they can’t see in? Or do they usually break the passenger side? At what point would they smash them? After a knock on the door and no answer? How ‘suspicious’ does a car need to be before breaking in? If they thought no one was inside, would they still need to shatter the windows? From what I know, they weren’t particularly looking for a white car, it just happened to be there.
Did someone say the hatch was OPEN? Or was the report that they ‘had an open door’ (as in the theatre door)? If the hatch was open, would police talk to him and allow the suspect to get out on his own, or would they go right ahead and smash the windows without waiting? Because if they asked him to step out of car, and he didn’t, we can deduce a likelihood that James couldn’t get himself out of the car, after all, they said he didn’t ‘resist’.
I’m also intrigued that the officer said “Is that the dude in the white car nearby?” Does that mean he ASSUMED that a guy with a gas mask was inside the car, or could he actually see a guy with a gas mask inside? Was it because the hatch was open? Or were the windows already broken?
What I’m trying to get at is, did Police shatter the car’s passenger windows? And what does that tell us? Or were they already broken when they arrived? Because that would heavily suggest forced entry. And that’s a whole other story. No one needs to break into their own car.
Sorry for long post. Can anyone else help me understand this?
I could be looking too far into things but at around 5:30 the kid says he was talking to people “while waiting to be interviewed”. By the police or the media? “waiting”? And the kid in the WHITE shirt managed to get out without any blood on him. Weird. Again, I could be looking too far into it.
I think it’s weird that he got out without any blood stains. 70 people got shot and there was a lot of commotion, etc. White shirts get stained easily. Unless he somehow ran out right after the gas canisters were thrown.
I’m not so convinced about the gas story anymore. I heard nobody coughing anywhere, not even in the background of that cell phone video where bloody victims are walked out. Where are the people tearing up or struggling to breathe? Also, was that the only cellphone video taken that night? 300 ppl are said to have been in that theater and there’s silence on social media outside of the ‘key witnesses/people’…very eerie.
Exactly right. Tear / CS gas doesn’t just stop automatically one you are out of it, it takes some time to get over the effects, which includes coughing, watering red eyes, burning skin, and copies amounts of mucus from the nose. I tend to think they were smoke bombs.
I think that is probably a reasonable conclusion to draw from the evidence presented. CS would have had a much more pronounced effect on the first responders and the audience members alike. Smoke grenades makes more sense than anything else.
You know what’s funny though? Injured victim Carli Richards says her life was saved…BECAUSE SHE RECOGNIZED THE SMELL OF THE TEAR GAS. She also says this was “natural selection” which is something I won’t bother commenting on…
http://sinisterdreams.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/carli-and-chriss-story-continued/
Btw, can someone tell me what kind of gunshot wounds those are?
Already wrote about the tear / cs gas, and that they don’t last I knew use tear gas in basic which is where se said she knew about the smell, and I can guarantee you that nobody looked like they were gassed, we had big bucks losing it when they were when they had to go through the gas chamber in basic, and it was the worse experience I recall in basic, but those are likely bird shot and not buck shot. Buck shot as they name suggest are big enough and power enough to kill bucks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_shell
Hey Goat, I keep changing from different pages here, but I just read a blog that was linked on here. This girls view of what happened that night. It is about the 3rd story down. She does talk about the Tear Gas and recognized it immediately from her Navy boot camp days.
http://www.carlirotten.net/my-blog/
Except as far as I know, they don’t use tear gas in boot, unless they have changed it, they use CS gas. I doubt it makes much difference from videos I have seen of people tear gassed on tv, you still don’t just all of sudden get over the effects of either one, especially in a closed space like a theater.
“Many types of tear gas and other riot control agents have been produced with effects ranging from mild tearing of the eyes to immediate vomiting and prostration. CN and CS are the most widely used and known, but around 15 different types of tear gas have been developed worldwide e.g. adamsite or bromoacetone, CNB, and CNC. CS has become the most popular due to its strong effect and lack of toxicity in comparison with other similar chemical agents. The effect of CS on a person will depend on whether it is packaged as a solution or used as an aerosol. The size of solution droplets and the size of the CS particulates after evaporation are factors determining its effect on the human body.[9]
The chemical reacts with moisture on the skin and in the eyes, causing a burning sensation and the immediate forceful and uncontrollable shutting of the eyes. Effects usually include tears streaming from the eyes, profuse coughing, exceptional nasal discharge that is full of mucus, burning in the eyes, eyelids, nose and throat areas, disorientation, dizziness and restricted breathing. It will also burn the skin where sweaty and or sunburned. In highly concentrated doses it can also induce severe coughing and vomiting. Almost all of the immediate effects wear off within *an hour (such as exceptional nasal discharge and profuse coughing), although the feeling of burning and highly irritated skin may persist for hours. Affected clothing will need to be washed several times or thrown away.”*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_gas
Goat, question… I am trying to learn about CS and tear gas. Your experience was in a ‘chamber’. Is that near the size of the largest theater setting at Centry? Did they use the grenade type with the hissing? How many? Sorry for this next question.. but how long ago was this experience? (found articles about how certain gases are not used because of long term health effects to the military). Seriously, just curious, no form of attack… just find you have something I do not and want to know more.
No they are not as big as a theater, and they cook it. Have you ever seen the effects of tear gas when they set it off for riot control in the streets? Even out in the open, it only takes a little bit to get a good dose to cause effects.
No I have not experienced it, thus my questions. I also understand there are about 15 types of tear gas. If sprayed in the face by any I would imagine red eyes at the least for 30min or more.
I had an experience with what I thought was pepper spray, that I was carrying on a key chain back in my senior year of high school. No smell that I remember, but bunch of burning in mucus areas. Since that time those keychains have been banned because of the tear gas element they had??? Had some follow ups of course because I caused the mandate of all city schools. I honestly bought it because of a stalker, before there were stalker laws.
Yep, I just dated myself. LOL
Oh sorry, the keychain pepper spray thing I was carrying had leaked on my hands and in my first period class and continued to leak. FYI
My question is this…if we assume someone gets one of those gas cans thrown right at their feet and they get a good dose of that CS gas….are they going to be physically incapacitated at all, meaning will they be able to move quickly/run or does that stuff completely stop you in your tracks for a minute?
That is basically what it is designed to do, that is make it so you are pretty incapacitated. Especially because of the effects it causes with the eyes.
Again maybe looking too much into things, but I want to know if it’s just me or anyone see what I see.
The doctor, or chief Oates. Everytime they speak, it seems like they are nervous and at times pausing trying to remember what to say, specially the last bit of the video where Oates is talking about the apartment.
at 2:17 Tanner starts answering the question and then he’s interrupted by… nothing… and he says “whats that? hello?” and it can’t be lag since he was already answering. Strange again for me.
Yet another witness. Sorry I keep posting these here, it’s just that they don’t seem to have many views and I believe we should watch as many different witnesses’ interviews as we can. This guy says the had a gas mask on and some goggles. Is it possible to be wearing both?
Interesting. These women at 5:00 said that the SWAT team broke the apartment windows and get this… Hopped in! what??
They were referring to the first floor windows, but it is interesting how they had a light shined to go back inside then couple hours later they are evacuated.
Great work on here. Theres a facebook page too that would be great for people to join. I think its a good idea to have everyone in the same place. Ive put a link to this page on the facebook group too.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/TruthAboutJamesEagenHolmes?sk=wall&filter=2¬if_t=wall
http://www.carlirotten.net/my-blog/
Just found this. An account from one of the victims. I haven’t read through it yet, but it’ll be interesting to see how it relates to the accounts of other people we’ve seen interviewed.
Interestingly, I just noticed she links modelmayhem.com which I believe Corbin Dates was also connected to by someone. Not sure how accurate any of this is from the abovetopsecret site.
Ooops Here’s the link… http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread864413/pg1
I dont understand why the accomplice is being discredited. What evidence do they have that James was alone? Cos from what i can tell and what witnesses have said there was at least one other person… at least! Im disgusted that these claims arent being followed up. Pretty much proves to me this is a set up.
Did anyone play sim city when you were kids? dont you just feel like one of them black dots on the sceen whilst the game player controls and destroys your life.
Because there’s something very corrupt going on. Honestly, I’m really glad I’m in Canada right now, although I’m sure we have our fair share of corruption going on…I just don’t know about it. THIS case is frightening. And the fact that the media has so blatantly NOT questioned anything is even scarier.
Ive done some online shopping, looking for that board. No doubt about it being a spine board.
Ugh, Part of me feels guilty for doubting these victims, but after seeing these interviews that look so fake, I’m doubting everyone now.
Interesting: Carli Rotten is a singer, musician, model, and actress, born and raised in Akron, Ohio.
I wonder how many other people there were actors.
It just gets better and better doesn’t it? There are multiple people connected to the entertainment industry. I don’t think anyone has to point out what people will do for some fame and attention these days, so I do not feel bad for questioning them. They simply do NOT seem like distressed witnesses after a horrific event.
Are you kidding me? These people already know each other??
Yeah. However, in media reports that fact was soon covered up and the story changed from them going to see the movie together to going with an unknown “friend”.
Has anybody dug this up yet? Corbin Dates/Dayton (they can’t decide on a name apparently) strongly resembles this guy named Corbin J. Kent on Model Mayhem….The Kent guy even lives in Aurora, CO.
http://www.modelmayhem.com/1573040
Here are Jennifer Seeger and Corbin Dates in a picture together long before the shooting…
http://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/63/62b5b0bf7ee4489bbae25c8531cec8df/l.jpg
Chris Ramos (the movie ticket stub guy) expresses desire to be an actor on his FB page
http://www.facebook.com/chris.ramos.3975
Theres a video clip of Jennifer Seeger being called Rebecca and she responds and no one notice. Have people heard of the Rothschild family. They are the richest people in the world, the elite. They control the news, government, oil companies everything. Ill find a link.
This may have been the knife behind the theater. It’s called the Joker.
http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/joker-knife/joker-knife-cc32.asp?product=joker-cc32
I was wondering about those “50” packages he received (which they seemed to know about so quickly). If they were addressed to his apartment, most of the time the delivery person cant get into a complex which requires a code/keys/pass for entry, so they either leave it at manager’s office or leave a pick up slip…. Or it gets held at the main branch for pickup. If addressed to his work, which would’ve been at school, then the carrier is required to get the signature of someone (not necessarily the addressee) before leaving the package because it’s a commercial address.
So who signed for all these packages? Unlikely he was not home for every single one. If his apartment manager got them, surely he would have been suspicious or at least curious. If held for pickup at regional office, who knows who picked them up.
And they say the 4 guns were bought at local stores. I’m sure security footage there…none that I’ve seen.
Everything was discovered extremely quickly. Even where he bought the guns (claiming they found receipts inside his apt??), how much ammunition he bought online…all of it was discovered in what seemed like just hours of the shooting.
I created a discussion forum where those of interested in talking about this, sharing info, can post. I’m starting to find it really hard jumping from blog to blog, website to website, and the posts are starting to take longer and longer to load. Feel free to join, and pass it along to any like-minded people.
http://jamesholmesinfo.proboards.com/
You just have to click “register” in the top right of the page.
And I think you just click on “general board” to get to the topics, create your own, etc.
They have said all kinds of different things. First they said at the apartment, and where he worked at the college. The college, of course he wasn’t working if he has been unemployed, and withdrawn from the school, and then they said after that that he picked them up at the fedex office. I don’t know about the rest of yous, but seldom get any deliveries through fedex. I think they just pull stuff out of their back side, as I have, when one story has the flaws pointed out in it.
Video of concerned parents looking for their children
That “free ticket” comment created a flash back! Reminded me of a good friend who was in the drama dept/theatrics(?) field in college. He would get first chance at premier movies at great discount. That was quite a few years ago, but that may also explain why so many in the field are at a premier and how they are the ones more comfortable on being in front of a camera. Not to mention how they may want the notoriety with their name put on regular TV for their ‘resume’.
Now I really don’t want to sound insensitive…but do those women sound like concerned mothers who don’t know if they’re children might’ve been murdered hours earlier? I know people handle these situations differently, but the blonde woman laughing as she nonchalantly says “call me”?? I mean…..I just don’t know.
Hmm? I am a mother of young teens. My sister is a mother of older teens. My kids are currently not as social as hers but once her oldest turned 18, but still in HS she did not report any longer of where she went, where she would stay the night, etc. And mind you, my sister is very concerned about her welfare, but how many times she would text me about things she was worried about and had no control over and did not want to sound like ‘the world is ending’ on those long nights for months!
She had to cope with ‘everything is alright’ way too many times. Luckily my niece never ended up in harms way and my sister in public view did not seem near as concerned as she was in private. So that is my personal view on this.
Unfortunately too many parents are seen as “over protective” if they inquire too much… others are considered not concerned enough.
I think it would be very reasonable that at least they would interview someone or few that were actually emotional!
I see. I’m just trying to picture myself in a situation where I know for a fact my child was in the same theater, watching the same movie that the shooting took place in and there were a dozen people killed and over 50 injured, no names released, coupled with the fact that i didn’t hear anything from the child for hours after the incident…i’d most likely be hysterical crying, thinking the worst and not laughing at a camera like the kid just didn’t come home on time from a movie night. Maybe i’m too used to seeing parents in tears on tv begging their children who went missing for two days to contact them, without the horrible thought in mind that they were in the same exact location that a mass murder took place.
First, trust me my sister had many hysterical moments when a mass murder was not involved. I am not trying to desensitize the moment, I am just passing on info from real life experiences. She would act jokingly when persons of family and friends would ask about her whereabouts… to not look like a ‘controlling’ mom.
Also it does not seem ‘for a fact’ that these children were in these theaters. The view was, “I believe” they may have been at this theater. And children is used in a loose term.. many concern parents seems to be looking for adult children. Sorry Sun. Not trying to harm your theory.. I am just sharing a mother of all ages thought. I think.
Personally I’d be freaking out if I knew my child was in the greater vicinity of the movie theater during the time of the shooting. Let alone anywhere in the theater, as a guest, staff member, what have you. It’s not really a theory, just something I found a little odd, just like other people who pointed out laughing and smiling witnesses or witnesses who were acting peculiar in other ways. You’ll never know how you react in a time like that until it happens so I try not to judge, personally I’m just having a hard time picturing myself laughing if I know there’s a chance my child was shot dead or injured badly.
you keep saying that their children were ‘in fact’ at this theater, now you are stating “they knew”.. I did not gather that from that video. Granted if I knew for a fact like Alex’s father… the post office worker, that went on a rampage about wanting to know in the early hours, had his son’s face printed and demanding information. These two scenes played out on two very different networks add up to ..well what the public needs or wants to see.
Sorry Sun, just it is different for every person.
You don’t have to apologize for anything, lol. I never said it was fact. I said ->personally<- I'd be freaking out if I knew there's a chance my child was in that theater and I hadn't heard from them. Hell I'd probably freak out if I knew they were in that city at the time. My friend was in Madrid during the train bombings and I was scared for hours because I didn't hear anything and I didn't have reason to believe she was near trains at the time. That's why I said people may react differently but it is difficult for ME to imagine.
On another note.. Sun, you are like many, freaking out. You want to have answers and you are not getting them from sources we use to trust. It is a humbling experience. Just know you have reached a new level of understanding. A level at which you are allowed to think outside the box of others. Keep digging, keep finding the truth, and trust your new found instinct of ‘truth’.
It would seem like that’s common sense. I’m asking because the witness Carli and her boyfriend who claim they were saved because they quickly identified the CS gas both state that the canister landed right at their feet and started hissing after which they smelled it. Then they both bolted out the theater and a far distance over the parking lot to their car without stopping. I wonder if that’s credible if you just had a canister of CS gas thrown at you 5 minutes earlier.
Very good question. but you did not include the link to the story. BUT, how do you come up with a canister thrown at you 5 min earlier… you confuse me. I read the long story.
it’s all in Carli’s blog. http://www.carlirotten.net/my-blog/
I am not suppose to tell you this…. One of the suspects was killed. Holmes was staged by FBI/cia/nsa. As far as the 2nd suspect … I don’t know yet… But I’m guessing he was killed too.
How I know?…. My friend works in Denver. In one of those agencies. He just told me 10 mins ago. *Sigh*
Is the information credible? I think so… It makes sense based on the scattered evidence and past “staged event.”
Read up the truth about columbine…. And you’ll get it.
Otherwise… We will continue to play the guessing game of who, what, and why this massacre happened.
whoa whoa…whoa. Holmes was staged as in he was drugged? Mind control? Did he willingly participate? I’m totally blown away by this. I hope your source is credible.
We worked together as a CSI. And somethin else. We sort of drifted when he left to Denver. And CO is heavily toxicated with these federal agencies. The mk ultra is apparently true… He told me few stories in the past…. But all in all, he knows how I feel. I have been wanting to ask him about this incident but hesitated and just called him and I can tell he didn’t want to tell me more than he should. I mentioned some things and he sort of validated my theory about what happened but I can’t tell cuz he stupidly had to change the topic.
i know what you mean. I used to be close with someone who was working in intelligence for the air force in denver and he was always very hesitant about saying too much. He did tell me very little about 9/11 and some other crazy stuff about how the place was basically set up like a changing labyrinth so people could never get used to the layout of the building. Stuff is WILD.
So the 2 others were the ones that went ‘missing’ when suddenly the death toll went from 14 to 12? Or is the one that’s dead among the dead 12? Ahhhh so many questions.
@sunshinez — You are not the first to make a comment about the WTC being in metamorphosis. You might pursue the 2-way shutters installed on vacant floors of the t0wers that acted like a soft light panel when flipped one way.
Another perspective can be gained by learning how earth-moving equipment could and did operate on floors of the WTC. I don’t know how they did it, but I have a real good idea why. It wasn’t a crime in itself, but was a crime that covered up another, “bigger” crime that continues evolve today.
Sorry to go off-thread and please ignore insults and attacks for not revealing more info. Those people haven’t felt the breathe on their necks. When the heat is on them, I’ll bet they go silent and go back to tinkering in the garage.
Kay, I have thourly enjoyed your past posts. But has your account been attacked? FYI if I make statements like this… BOOM account attacked.
So shouldn’t someone somewhere in law enforcement be told about this? Isn’t there anyone who can be trusted? How on earth could anyone just sit there and let him rot in jail paying for something he didn’t do??
Kay, sorry to say this but who the hell are you and your mate to know this and do nothing??? I think your talking shit!!! Someone can find out who you and your mate are through these accounts and statements so your not protecting yourselves by not giving names. If your prepared to say it to us, you may aswell give the full story with names or even go to the media or some where with it. Again, think your talking bollocks, wanting to be the person with the inside information. Sad
You should spend some time reading the “last words” of the executed. Quite often it goes something like this…
“I want you to know that I didn’t kill “Joe”. But I don’t harbor resentment toward any of you. Please continue to check the evidence. I love you all.”
The problem isn’t fixed by informing the authorities. As the chain of command rises, so does the presence of the cabal.
What I do is find the good people and inform them. The good people don’t seek authority. They aren’t the bosses; they aren’t the chiefs; they aren’t the ones in charge. So, what she did was tell you. That’s how I think it should be done. The whistle blower isn’t going to get this done. You and I are.
oh kay, sorry you have to be included on this turmoil. If this case does not turn up persons… I will about give up on any system America provides. … I have to stop there
Why stage Holmes then and not just say the gunmen were shot at the scene of the crime? I dont understand!
How can you casually throw that out there, and not follow up? It would eat me alive to know this and do nothing. If you have solid proof of this, then it should be distributed to every journalist, criminal defense attorney, and anyone else who might help.
See my post above in relation to your comment.
the link to her blog was posted i believe two or three times already (plus i’m on my old phone so can’t navigate through multiple sites) you can find his entry quickly via her blog too. I was saying i wonder if it’s plausible that they had the canister thrown at their feet and breathed in the gas, then immediately ran a far distance. Her whole explanation as to why they survived is that they breathed in the gas and quickly left because they knew something was wrong. The 5 minutes was just guessing how long it took them to run to their car. This is why i asked if this stuff stops you in your tracks for a while.
It surprised me they didn’t have any symptoms. Initial reaction to any type of these gas can cause one to cough, have trouble breathing, burning eyes, etc… Whatever was mentioned in.earlier comments.
Part of my LE training at the academy… It was brutal. The smell was unbearable and I remember I felt like I couldn’t breathe.
Why didn’t this person report to the staff of the movie theater??? I mean, I would.
The Pentagon said that three military personnel were injured in the shooting and that another service member at the theater remained unaccounted for.
Two of the injured are members of the Air Force, while the third serves in the Navy, the Defense Department said Friday afternoon. The unaccounted-for service member is also a sailor. The Pentagon did not identify them or their units or provide details about their conditions.
All 4 military personnel who were injured ended up dying huh? And the death count went lower during this time eh? hmmmm
http://www.usatoday.com/USCP/PNI/Front%20Page/2012-07-21-PNI0721wir-theater-shooting-main_ST_U.htm
Oh yeah, and one guy of the 4 was missing for a while, now he’s dead.
From Salina Jordan in the same article.
“In the lobby, near the concession stands, SWAT teams trained their guns on Theater 9. They directed frightened patrons to remain in place — or to run for the exits — as gunfire started and stopped. Jordan said she watched a police officer carry out the inert body of a young girl, who appeared to be about 9.”
So even tho no “shots fired” is heard on the police radio, SWAT team was outside of the theater in the lobby while shooting is still going on? Wouldn’t at least some regular officers be around back covering the emergency exit at the same time?
That really isn’t that outrageous. Think about this: you have 300 people streaming out of a theater in a mad rush. Any tactical squad would have to let them out before being able to go in guns blazing otherwise the people would literally run them over and if they didn’t, they could be shot by the assailant as he was shooting at them. So yes, if they were there while the theater was still emptying out, they would have to hold for a second or two to wait for the rush to die down. And yes, they would keep their weapons trained on the door in case the assailant came out.
Now, it’s just this girl saying shots were still being fired at that time. She doesn’t know and what she says flies in the face of what other witnesses said and what we heard (or didn’t hear) on the police chatter.
My guess is, she was just wrong on that.
As gunfire started and stopped? What? I don’t know if I’m misunderstanding this, but why would they stand around at concessions when shots are going on in theater 9? Wouldn’t they barge into the room and take down the shooter?
The body count going down from 14 to 12 is shady. And why aren’t they releasing the names of the military personnel? They usually make a big deal out of military personnel dying and let everybody know or am I wrong here?
Jonathan Blunk and John Larimer were two names they released of military personnel, not sure about others.
They were named all over press with the other victims, photos of military funeral and all! They all supposedly died on site but none of their wounds were listed. They are:
JESSE CHILDRESS
Air Force Sgt, cyber-systems operator based at Buckley Air Force Base in Aurora.
JOHN LARIMER
Navy cryptologic technician based at Buckley Air Force Base.
JONATHAN BLUNK
Navy, completed 3 tours in the middle east during 2004-09. Although, he was not active in service at time of shooting.
I too also heard initial reports of four military personnel at shooting with one considered missing, haven’t heard a resolution or word on that since.
Also there was Rebecca Wingo, who was an Air Force translater..
One other thing, wasn’t there reports of other young ones who went missing that same night in the same town and there was reports of shooting at a nearby lake around the same time? Could this be why there was a blood trail out the door? Were victims taken hostage by the 4 wheel drive someone saw speeding away from the theater at this same time? Not to mention the strangeness of a construction crew supposedly working at midnight on the street outside the theater? Have these topics been looked into on this blog? Thanks.
izzy, yes, the construction crew has been mentioned but not in the content that you noted…. and come to think of it.. it is very strange that construction crew would be working at midnight…. seems they were re-doing a street?
Does anyone know about young people missing on that night?
it wouldn’t make any sense that swat teams were in the lobby when shots were still going off, how would the shooter(s?) have been able to walk out the room and escape? Surely if there were people inside the theatter there must’ve been cops waiting outside the exit? Would make even less sense in connection with the official holmes in the car story.
Spot on with the navy/military victims! If you open any newspaper and read the international news you’ll see that the Cold War is back on!! The only difference is that Russia has been replaced by China. It’s aggressively increasing its presence on Chinese (and not so Chinese) waters but so is the US, so they’re spying on each other like mad. So if you read the profile of the victims (eg on CNN website), the two navy cyber spies (Childress and Larimer) and the Air Force Mandarin Chinese translator (Wingo) stand out like a sore finger. Were they leaks to the Chinese or did they learn something they were not supposed to? Or did the Chinese want to silence them? This is less likely because then they wouldn’t be covering for them. The question is, are the real hitmen still alive or dead? Don’t think anyone who hired them would want them to hang around for long. If they’re dead, where are they and who killed them?
And of course the main question is, who is James Holmes, where is he and what’s happened to him. Are those guys on the photos and in the courtroom the same person? Sometimes I think yes, sometimes I see at least 3 different guys.
The cops here have dashboard cameras and some have audio recorders on their belts. Wonder if it’s the same there, failing any security cameras those would have some footage if the APD is outfitted the same as ours. Not that it would matter since none of the evidence will ever see the light of day.
Yeah on July 20th, the pentagon was saying no military members were killed.
http://www.9news.com/news/local/article/278747/346/Pentagon-Military-casualties-in-Colorado-shooting
Dear all,
I command most people posting here for their passion to seek and unearth the truth, for their sharp eyes and critical thinking to expose inconsistencies and evidence, for providing unmatched analysis of the shooting, as well as the post-shooting events, reactions, witness accounts and the cover up by the authorities and the media.
However, almost two weeks after the shooting, it might be also time to think about and discuss what can be done about not only this shooting, but the constant pile of bullcrap we have been fed by the controlled media, government, law enforcement and the intelligence agencies about every single milestone event this country has lived through in the last fifty years… (actually since the dawn of civilization, but that’d be too big of a goal and a hugely unrealistic undertaking)
I would certainly not discourage anyone from continuing to dissect every ounce of evidence that is available to us, but, with all due respect to those of you who try to develop theories about what really happened, no matter how plausible they might be, recent history shows us that no matter how big the lie, no matter how many of these lies are exposed beyond the shadow of a doubt, “they” seem to get away with every one of these staged events that drive a knife deep in to the American public’s hearts and minds.
The one bit of certainty we can assume is that James Holmes, whether guilty or not, will not be tried in a fair trial, will not be judged by a jury of his peers, will not be defended by a well intended and/or competent lawyer… In all likeliness, he will be made to plead guilty, which will prevent any of the sealed evidence ever to see the light of day. Which also means that, like so many of these events, from the shooting of JFK to Oklahoma City, from 9/11 to Columbine, to the underwear bomber, to Aurora, we shall never know the truth.
However, in the absence of knowledge of truth, knowing that a lie is a lie is sometimes just as powerful!!!
We can argue about what the blood trails show, or whether the witnesses are genuine, and speculate about every little aspect of this incident for weeks, months and years to come.. As long as those of you posting here have no legal forum to bring up your findings, doubts and questions, as long as there is no united effort to call the authorities and the legal system up for their misdeeds and as long as an uncorrupted, , unafraid officer of law, a prosecutor, a judge can be found to pursue this issue, we shall certainly fail to make a difference and there will be countless more similar staged terror events we will have to suffer.
These kinds of staged terror events are executed by parties that have a cumulative power that is hard to beat… The only way to match their power by ordinary citizens like us is to achieve a united and organized front in massive numbers, (unfortunately, I am talking about millions) and stand I front of the authorities demanding answers. But, as long as we are compartmentalized and divided in to the fractured state of the nation we live in, unless any of you have some footage, some recording of the actual perpetrators, in other wordss hard and damning evidence, this case is already history.
Any suggestions as to how to achieve that?
I don’t know but things could change any minute. What if James Holmes’ Mom sees our research and gets her son a decent lawyer and announces that he will be pleading not guilty and why? Wouldn’t that be a game changer?
That’s a good point… And, I really wish she would do that. In fact, I really wish someone who’s close to him would do something to take ownership of this young man, whatever the level of his involvement in the shoting might be…
His parents have been peculiarly absent from the media, and we don’t know what their position is regarding their son’s condition. One could easily interpret this in many different ways tro make some sense out of it… (shame, fear, anger, confusion, court orders, or all or any of the above). We all know that James’ father is due to testify on congress regarding the libor scandal… How’s that whole thing effecting the parent’s actions, decisions, etc.?
I feel that any of these assumptions would be quite superficial since we do not know what’s going on behind the scenes, what kind of pressure(s) the parents are subjected to, or how deep the foul play in this whole affair goes.
It seems like most people posting here are certain that there is indeed foul play and that JH is either a full fledge patsy, or that he did not act alone… All I know is that there is not a single shred of evidence actually showing hat he was even in the theater, and the stench of the cover up is already hitting the noses of ordinary Americans and not just the conspiracy seekers.
In any case, going back to my main point…. The perpetrators of such a black op, who are willing to murder innocent people to further the agenda of their bosses will simply not stop at anything James’ family and friends can come up with… If the post shooting script does not play out the way they want it, JH can be “suicided” in his cell, die of Tylenol overdose like the anthrax patsy Bruce Ivens, shot and killed in front of cameras like Oswald… Any lawyer, judge, psychiatrist, police officer or witness who does not go along with the script will be intimidated, threatened, and if it comes down to it, eliminated. And it is almost certain that this incident, which occupies the psyche of the public for the moment, will be buried under future atrocious mass shootings, terror threats or acts, etc.
Unless we, as Americans, can come up with some means to force their hands to hold an open and public trial and demand answers to all the questions raised in this thread as well as all over the web, they will always be many moves ahead of us.
I feel that doing this before and during the criminal trial is a hopeless effort. As many posters here point out, the cover up was immediate, wide spread among law enforcement and media, which points to the fact that someone high up has signed off on this black-op.
I am, relatively speaking, quite ignorant about law, legal procedures, etc. But, assuming the criminal trial will get nowhere, I am wondering if a civil trial where victims and her families can sue the owners of the theater could possible. Not because I think there’s any wrongdoing or negligence on their part, but because it might create a venue where sealed evidences can be brought out and questions can be asked, which will otherwise be impossible to do during JH’s trial which will most likely be nothing but a farce.
If there are any readers here who can shed some lift to at least the procedural aspects of such a thing on this thread or elsewhere, I would be very interested to discuss.
Moving right along, this isn’t spine board-related, but because people are still bumping this post/thread, I will post it here so you can hopefully view it.
My apologies if you’ve seen this before, but here we have one of the most scrutinized witnesses give another interview in which he describes the gunman simply walking away from the scene casually after the shooting ends–not toward the exit door, but across the screen to the other side (???) 3:55. Very odd behavior indeed, if true.
this guy was among the phoniest of witnesses imo..took a look at his fb today and he put some long post about going to see batman the other day. I’m not sure how people handle traumatic events like that but i do know that i went to see the movie a few hours ago and felt extremely, extremely uncomfortable during the whole thing. And i wasn’t even there. I can’t imagine how someone could stomach all the gunfire scenes after experiencing something like that.
I distinctly remember in several of his early interviews he would turn to the camera, and pretty much give a PSA.
It seems any interview that gives an account not in line with the “official” story never airs more than once. Instead you get these well rehearsed morons time and time again.
Yep. Mr. Ramos is doing a great job at keeping up the act too. The post I mentioned has over 2000 likes and over 70 comments, and it’s the only thing visible to the public on his profile. Of course he also wants to be an “actor” according to the info on there.
Yeah, I saw this on youtube. The guy looks pathetic with his overacting B.S. I saved most of the videos of witnesses that gave real “official” story of the massacre just in case if they get taken down by you know who.
I wonder what the motivation would be for the conspirators to use Chris Ramos as a fake witness? Why? Has anyone found anything in his statements to answer this question? Does anyone have any theories? Or is this just gut feeling shit?
There’s been a shooting in Wisconsin this morning. Just about 1100 miles from aurora shooting. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm maybe its the people who set James up. And/or the ones who called the jail and said “let James go or more will be hurt” <<if I remember that correctly. Thoughts?
No offense to Chris Ramos, but the guy strikes me as more of a mentally challenged guy, I know someone who is just like this. It looks like to me that the media picked the goofiest guy there (remember it was a comic book movie, nerds and goofy people everywhere) and ran his interview over and over.
It’s like they want us to think he’s fake and when we say it out loud, it makes the general public look at us all like completely batshit crazy assholes with no compassion.
My two cents. (I tried to debunk him as a fake witness, but I couldn’t find anything he said that I thought was a lie)
I think the main thing with him is that he just looks like he’s acting, and badly at that. If you skim through the comments on the video you’ll see that a lot of people picked up on it.
I don’t think there’s any way to “debunk” these witnesses anyway unless you know them or their circle. It’s always going to be speculation and most of the witnesses that were used over and over just didn’t seem credible is all. Just like the guy who was waving around his arm the next day when he was supposedly shot in the shoulder.
If you look at the origional close up of the gas mask you will see on the mouth (zoom in) white particles on it and to the right folded paper and a knife (knife very hard to see) and the evidence marker to the left. Well if you find a different picture of close up of gas mask you will notice the gas mask and marker moved a little. The mask has been CLEANED and the knife/paper completely removed. And in the evidence log, they didn’t log either.
Exactly. The knife / gas mask is the building 7 of this event. I’d say it’s out best shot at exposing this, if we can get that key point out to the masses ASAP.
Scott, my post about the knife doesn’t show. Was it too long? Should I repost?
I wholeheartedly support the effort people are making, but let’s not fail to look at evidence objectively; it’s not helpful to correlate without having something to back it up with.
Eg, we know a little girl was shot and we clearly see pink flip-flops outside exit 9. It doesn’t mean the flips flops belong to the girl. If you look closer, the flip-flops appear to be adult size in comparison to those standing
http://photos.denverpost.com/2012/07/20/photos-shooting-at-aurora-theater/#7
Similarly, it’s reported Holmes purchased a knife, but is it not what you see next to the mask. The clue is that the knife disappears when the paper disappears. That ‘paper’ is an evidence report and it comes in an envelope, as shown here http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-colorado-weak-gun-laws-20120720,0,471344.story
The envelope’s open seal creates a shadow and you can see right through too the sidewalk. Also, knives don’t sit upright on their blades. Unless they’re wedged into something, knives fall to their side. In this case, it would have to be wedged deeply in cement. Look at where the yellow marker and the paper rest on the ground, now look at where the blade would be if we could see it. Beneath ground level. It’s not a knife; it’s an envelope.
http://photos.denverpost.com/2012/07/20/photos-shooting-at-aurora-theater/#71
The blurriness on the bottom of the photo? I suspect the camera was placed on the ground, there was a rise, and then a slight dip where the masks sits. This was taken from far away. Not everything in frame is in focus. All of this contributes to depth of field. It’s photography stuff, look it up if you’re interested.
Was the mas moved? It’s possible. It’s also possible the MARKER was moved and not the mask. Either way, if something was moved, it doesn’t help our case in the slightest, evidence gets moved all the time when being examined, it could have even be moved for the sake of a better photograph. Also, images can take a whole new appearance depending on where the camera is placed. Here’s 3 pics with the camera/mask in different spots
http://www.tondan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Gas-Mask-Used-by-James-Holmes-lays-outside-Century-16-Theater-in-Aurora-Colorado.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/20/article-2176718-1425D11F000005DC-131_634x384.jpg
http://newssun.suntimes.com/csp/cms/sites/dt.common.streams.StreamServer.cls?STREAMOID=eoPSpxfXurAiEEuiG95tks$daE2N3K4ZzOUsqbU5sYuK3Urr2lKMz6BrADQsRXfzWCsjLu883Ygn4B49Lvm9bPe2QeMKQdVeZmXF$9l$4uCZ8QDXhaHEp3rvzXRJFdy0KqPHLoMevcTLo3h8xh70Y6N_U_CryOsw6FTOdKL_jpQ-&CONTENTTYPE=image/jpeg
It’s not letting me post the final bit where I explain two different masks are pictured with the #1 marker…
Was the mask digitally altered? It’s possible. This happens all the time to improve lighting, contrast, saturation, glare removal etc. But I suspect the ‘white marks’ was due to a low-res magnification of the photo.
The ‘white marks’ it actually the mask’s nozzle. Note how we can also see the eyepiece lens is long, it drops past and wraps around the filter
This is where it gets REALLY interesting, this is where our attention should be. In the photo where the ‘white marks’ aren’t there, the nozzle isn’t on the filter, it’s beneath the right eyepiece lens. We can also see the eyepiece lens is NOT long and ceases well above the filter.
Conclusion: no knife, but it appears to be a different mask.
Mask 1:Nozzle on filter, long eyepiece, short filter
http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/US/ap_colorado_shooting_mask_wy_120720_wmain.jpg
Mask 2: Nozzle not on filter, small eyepiece, long filter
http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/cnishared/tools/shared/mediahub/07/23/00/slideshow_1002376944_gasmask.jpg
For those that haven’t seen body bag photo
http://photos.denverpost.com/2012/07/20/photos-shooting-at-aurora-theater/#41
I recall something said in the police dispatch audio(s) about a back/spine board. I will try to find that audio and post link and time.
rs
Audio link http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FqMIuZJS6sk go to 21:09 to 21:14
Officer says… “for the guys still in theater 9, I’m working on a backboard right now for that female”
The comments on this witness interview video are encouraging. People are not buying it.
waving, lifting his arm like that after being shot, he must have really high tolerance for pain.
Yeah, i noticed that too, and I swear very few of the wounds from shot I have seen look “fresh,” unless they are all just marks from hitting and not penetrating.
That reminds me, I wanted to ask you guys about this guy in this post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-long-road-to-theater-9/2012/07/25/gJQAdX6T9W_story.html
He has some pretty serious scars along his neck. This article was done on the 25th. Is it possible for those scars to look that healed already after a mere 5 days? I find it a little hard to believe.
My husband was shot in the leg some years ago and he assured me that you will NOT be moving around like that, especially NOT hours later! He said it was the worst pain he’s ever experienced in his life.
Those are sutures. Interesting where they are though, and sure look more like knife wounds. Interesting too, you can see other smaller wounds that do look “fresh” that look more like shot gun shot.
Are those staples though? I know those normally shouldn’t be used on the neck. I’m still surprised by how they look. If you google image stitches/staples you can see that whoever this doctor was did a pretty good job…
Looks like regular line to me. You can see an end at the lower of the right one.
Also that the perp fired 6 to 9 shots, indicates the shot gun, which useally has 5 in the tube and one in the chamber, and not the AR, that the perp used first. Course that would mean how did he carry the AR slung over his back, if we don’t see a sling.
How is that guy moving his arm like that if it’s injured?? Shouldn’t that arm be kept still or something?
“THEY had shotguns”…Salina Jordan witness interview
“They had shotguns” now….how can anyone miss that? This is like the third person interviewed that has mentioned more than one suspect.
Kinda obvious why nobody’s ever heard from those few anymore and instead we’ve been bombarded with the same couple witnesses on all news channels…
I watched this on youtube and the comments posted about this video many posted that she said, “They had guns”. Lol! I notice everybody is starting to come to light about this case, now….
This girl said at 1:52 she asked a cop what was happening and he said that there was still someone that wasn’t detained. Even more proof that there were other suspects, and this time in verbal interaction between a police officer and a witness.
This witness’ emotions seem real. Could the cop have been referring to James though, when he said someone wasn’t detained? Unlikely, since James was apprehended so quickly it seems, but is it possible she asked him before they had gotten to James?
Probably one of the suspects that made it to the main road or back road (Sable?).
Here is Shayla Roeder on an earlier report. But what also caught my eye in this ‘news’ that was reported at 7am was the full back helicopter shot of the theater. This is where I wish I had a higher powered computer with HD.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7415558n
I just produced this video regarding the blood trail evidence…
I think you’ll enjoy it.
Nice vid work.
Brilliant video. Please join this group https://www.facebook.com/#!/TruthAboutJamesEagenHolmes?sk=wall&filter=2¬if_t=share_wall_create
I joined the group a few days ago, but it seems like those that have joined only want to post negative things about JH, and are still oblivious the evidence posted on that site :T
great video
Great video! That explains the blood trail, is there a video about the board under said suspects vehicle?
It’s starting to get very frustrating with all of this information continuing to come come out which points AWAY from James, but he’s still the only person sitting in jail. I know people have asked this before, but what can we actually DO? We can go on and on finding all of the things that don’t add up, but is there anything we can actually do to help him? I feel like we’re fighting a losing battle because how on earth could there not be anyone in a position higher than us who hasn’t come to the same conclusion about James?
I feel the same way about all of this. I try to post as much as I can find (with my lack of search skills) to see if anything could be a clue. I wish I could help him more than what is already being done, but I feel (just like everyone has posted) it is impossible. I get sad just seeing an innocent man, JH, sit there in court as if he murdered those people. knowing that he will fear for his life if they let him out into the general public of the jail is frightening. There’s so much evidence brought out to the public and there are some that still believe he’s the suspect. I, too, wonder if there is someone in a higher position who is thinking what we’re all thinking, but is maybe too afraid to speak up.
Good video – Its appreciated. I have to say that YET AGAIN this also backs up my theory that the blood is from one of the shooters who was ‘taken out’ while at the back of Theatre 8, who then ran to escape his assassins into Theatre 9, dropping the gun on the way in before dying inside, and then being taken away as one of the 14 dead!
I’m pretty sure I beat you to that theory. : )
notice the wound on the girl who they claim came out of the back and left that blood trail.
It’s on the right side of her neck and it was rather large.
Now, if my theory is correct, the reason the blood fell in that “V” pattern in that direction is simple… because it was flowing down her right arm as she ran away from the theater. What does your arm do when you run? It swings back and forth rapidly. What would that do to blood flowing down your arm as you run? The blood would fling off your hand flying backwards, leaving “V” shaped pools of blood behind you. Notice the blood trail is on the right side of the side walk, center right, like someone was staying close to the wall side of the sidewalk, running AWAY from the door while loosing a lot of blood. Once she got halfway down the sidewalk, someone came up to her and put something on the wound stopping the bleeding or she simply stopped running and put her hand on her wound, thus ending that kind of blood trail.
That’s what it looks like to me.
I think you better put some more thought into that. Seems if that was the case, the V shape would open the other way. One arm of the V would start with the arm going backward, the point would start it would seem when the arm was furthest back, and come forward again as she walked to form the other arm. Not that I can see blood dripping off the arm making the mark in any direction, but that is more likely the shape of the blood splatter it it were to be considered, especially from a cheek wound which wouldn’t seem to bleed that much..
When the blood flies off her arm, it would be moving TOWARD the theater and the door, not away from it. Therefore the theory is consistent with the blood trail left on the sidewalk… if, that is indeed what happened. Again, with so many people wounded and bleeding, there is no way of telling anything from that trail.
From what I’ve learned, I don’t think that’s possible because of the large blood pools present in all the stain sections.
The large pooling drops, when caused by a moving object and even if they diminish in size rapidly almost guarantees the source was a nicked artery. I say nicked and not severed because a severed artery will only bleed out a short time with little pressure. A nicked artery will bleed much longer and under pressure. I think the sections being so long (18″ – 24″?) and the consistent shape over at least 10 sections means there was pressure.
“Cast-Off” or “Flung-Off” spatter usually results in smaller, more evenly sized drops. I noticed that blood flung off the hand from blood flowing down the arm acts like a governor for the volume and drop size. And everything I read indicates where the sprays converge (the 2 sprays in a V pattern in this case) is the source point.
But what caused the spurt to fork into 2 sprays? If I picture someone bleeding from a leg artery wearing thick fishnet stockings, I can see where the thread would disrupt the blood.
Oddly, I haven’t found a single photo showing a pattern like the one behind the theater. I recommend dismissing the gun, the flip-flops and any other objects when considering the blood trail though. Hmmmm.
right…. she was hit in the neck on her right side. There are photos of her in the hospital with many stitches in that area. She would have been bleeding profusely.
Here’s an idea, why don’t you or someone see if the came duplicate it. Shouldn’t be to hard if it was done as you say..
Marie – Thank you for your comments. Your blog is wonderful and I plan to visit again once things settle a bit. Of course, I’ll probably visit straight away when/if you post anything related to the Aurora event.
I’m going to look into crime software and/or investigation data management systems of some kind next. I think it would help if I could map this thing to some extent. I’ll definitely share with you what I find.
Independent Investigation of Aurora Shooting Intial Findings (Feed Me Dubstep Remix)
that looks good chris
Nicely done, Chris!
Thanks
Cool video.
What’s up with the 3 strips of pre cut black gorilla tape? One for the hands, one for the feet, one for the mouth.
OMG…… that does fit , doesn’t it? And they didn’t have time to use it? Or they took it off Holmes when they left him in the car?
Wait I’m lost, where’s the gorilla tape?
It’s on the trunk, not closing the trunk, it’s just draped over the spoiler like it’s ready to use. What logical reason is there for 3 strips of duct tape to be on that new car?
And why was the passenger window busted out? Is there a logical reason for that besides getting the suspect out of the car that way?
How did they even know the car belonged to Holmes so fast? I never heard em run the plates. Couldn’t you deduce that he was either in the car or basically touching it for them to know it was his so fast? All the evidence I’m seeing is telling me that he was in the car when they got him.
That’s an interesting find. I’ve been trying to think of an explanation but I got nothing…
I’m pretty sure he was inside the car too. If I’m not mistaken someone posted a link to a story on here somewhere where it was revealed that the plates aren’t even registered to him or his address, so I don’t think they knew it was his car from running the plates. They most likely busted out the windows and got him out because he was too drugged to get out himself or follow orders. Then they used the spine board to transport him. That’s my theory at least for now.
Sunshinez, this article says that the address associated with the license plate of the car was not the same address of James Holmes. I know we can’t jump to any conclusions, but that’s very black and white to me.
…”data is returned on the Colorado license plate reportedly affixed to the vehicle used by suspect Holmes. The address provided to the officers on site did not match the address known to be that of suspect Holmes.”
…”a patrol officer reports that he is going to the address where the suspect’s vehicle is registered to perform surveillance, perhaps to watch for other possible suspects returning to that location. Again, the address associated with the vehicle does not match the physical address where the fire trucks and bomb squads congregated.”
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/48415
Yeah, I didn’t notice the duct tape either until Chris mentioned it.
I am providing a link. There is this page on facebook called, ‘exposing the truth’ and the first comment by Jonathan Leroy was spot on! But then further down the comments there are two guys who seem like they are making excuses for JH to be the murderer of this massacre.
http://www.facebook.com/notes/exposing-the-truth/aurora-massacre-several-links-between-james-holmes-and-us-government-research-sa/444378102274187
Even though their posts may have some good points, it’s the fact that I don’t think they understand what nueroscience is about and what it actually deals with. Another point is, no one mentioned JH’s school collegue, Yeom Lee, who is/was in the biochemistry field. Doesn’t biochemistry deal with chemicals and bombs, etc, etc?? Someone please enlighten me on that subject.
No…
“Biochemistry, sometimes called biological chemistry, is the study of chemical processes in living organisms, including, but not limited to, living matter. The laws of biochemistry govern all living organisms and living processes. By controlling information flow through biochemical signalling and the flow of chemical energy through metabolism, biochemical processes give rise to the complexity of life.” according to the WIKI
I figured as much, I don’t know why I was thinking about bombs. Well, now that my dumb moment is over
(sorries for that) Is there any update on the person who called the police requesting they free JH? Last I read somewhere, the person they interviewed was Yeom Lee and there was a woman who leave in a business suit or something like that. And I believe the POI is missing, correct me if I’m wrong.
Idk if it’s the lighting or what, but sometimes from above that gun on top of the car doesn’t look like a glock to me, the top slide part looks thicker than a glock, the top of the glock they said he had is thin on top. It looks different in different pics.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/03/aurora-survivors-tell-of-their-brave-return-to-the-dark-knight-rises.html
Not sure if you all have seen this. This guy is spreading the word via Facebook and Twitter..https://www.facebook.com/notes/kazi-kearse/21-more-questions-and-inconsistencies-you-will-not-hear-about-in-the-batman-mass/470179266334109
I have to tell you I am from Australia and I can see from here the whole situation is a ruckus. What can I do?? I feel so bloody helpless. I want to ring up the Colorado police, call the tv stations, newspapers etc myself! The moment I heard about this shooting I knew straight away it was staged!
You can spread around the best youtube videos you’ve seen exposing the event. You just copy the part after youtube.com. Like this- watch?v=pM18__uaYXQ. You can paste that on comments after videos and debate people, explain to em why know we are being lied to about this event.
You can post links in the news article comments online to get the word out. I just did a link to one of my videos on reuters.
Thanks chris p.
I’ve done that quite a bit, Chris, particularly on CNN, but it’s absolutely amazing how blind people are. They’re quite content in blindly following and labeling anyone who doesn’t a “conspiracy theorist.” It’s scary.
“Imagine being in this man’s shoes today”…Yet these pigs are all over the poor man, ,bombarding him with questions. MSM is disgusting around these parts.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-affiliate-attempts-to-interview-father-of-theater-shooter-james-holmes-en-route-to-colorado/
I think he did well not to smash their heads in. See him clenching his jaw. When you way MSM what do you mean sunshinez?
Yeah it probably took everything out of him not to do that. MSM = Mainstream Media. These people just have no shame, and then pretend they care by saying “oh how sad”
Thanks. Yep the media are vultures.
This could get really juicy if we get this info this week
“Among the documents the media want to see are affidavits that law enforcement officers would have filed before arresting Holmes, which would show why the officers thought that Holmes was the shooter.”
PUBLIC’S RIGHT OF ACCESS
In their motion, the media companies argued that Sylvester’s order “violates the public’s constitutional right of access to the records of criminal prosecutions, and undermines our nation’s firm commitment to the transparency and public accountability of the criminal justice system.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/05/us-usa-shooting-denver-rights-idUSBRE8740FF20120805
That would be huge. Fingers crossed!!
I’ve got my fingers crossed on this one, too! I remember reading that 9th August is another court hearing where the judge decides if the information should be released to the public or not. I think everyone has a right to know, as stated, the judge is “violating the public’s constitutional rights…”
I got the first comment on this article too! Yeah
Here is another one http://abcnews.go.com/US/dead-oak-creek-wis-shikh-temple-shooting/story?id=16933779#.UB7wXKNMdoV
Yeah, it looks as though they’re are keeping the suspect hidden on this one. From what i read about this news.
Although I plan to continue to focus my efforts and attention on the Aurora case, this latest shooting warrants at least a modicum of attention.
OT: I’ve seen some excellent clips already about the Sikh temple shooting in which several individuals report MULTIPLE shooters and that this was a coordinated attack. The police chief then assures everyone that there was only one gunman and tells everyone essentially to ignore the police scanner recordings! For those involved in the paranormal, you also may be VERY interested to note that the father of the filmmaker of the disclosure film, The Sirius Project, (Dr. Steven Greer’s project) was shot in today’s Sikh temple shooting. Many are saying this pretty much erases all doubt about the conspiracy behind today’s shooting, and by extension, the Aurora shooting. We may never know the truth.
Also, the dead shooter lived on “Holmes Avenue,” it turns out. I kid you not.
Oh gawd!
And it seems gas was used in this one too..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYCurbSAsd4&feature=player_embedded
Whoooaaaa!
Damnit, I’ve been telling people! When the news about Aurora first broke they said the shooter was Indian. Too.many.eerie.coincidences.
So do you think they got their ops mixed up. Thought the gunman for movie theatre shooter was the one doing the Sikh Temple shooting? And visa versa.
I don’t think it was a mix up as much as a classic example of foreshadowing. They love leaving little “connections” behind, to me it’s almost like a gangtag of sorts. The public will see these as a mere coincidence.
Another one of those “funny” coincidences was that the fake Michigan driver’s license that was found on the guy who did the bombing in Bulgaria showed his address as “France Street”. James’ apartment just so happens to be on “Paris Street”.
And wasn’t movie theatres in Paris the first to stop showing the Batman movie/close them down? Connection there too.
Yup. I just heard the shooter allegedly had a 9/11 tattoo. Already laying it on thick I see.
Oh, wow. One more Holmes-related video I hadn’t seen before. It is four full minutes of Holmes’ excerpted science camp presentation–not just the snippet shown on the news. After viewing this, it’s apparent that something seriously effed up had to happen to this dude in the years between then and now. The 71st victim in the Colorado shooting surely must be this guy, whether it be victimhood through mental illness, mind control, psychiatric medication, scopolamine, etc., however, remains to be seen.
I have seen this too. Something fecked up happened when he left for Colorado that is for sure. It is just heart breaking. Does anyone know where his mother is? If this happened to my son I would be there in everyone’s face in a jiffy!
Well this breaks my heart.
The reason the witnesses saw multiple shooters..apparently…http://oakcreek.patch.com/articles/several-people-reported-shot-at-sikh-temple
Excuse sir, my mistake. I will just pull the wool back over my eyes now.
This is the most retarded thing I’ve ever heard in my life. “Now he’s here, now he’s there, he’s so fast I’m seeing multiple people!”. Facepalm.
It is so insulting, especially for the people who were there and saw it unfold before their eyes. They are attacking places where people congregate peacefully. What will be next? Libraries? Football games?
Likely so, and a whole lot more till they get their agenda through.
I have a feeling this is only the beginning of many similar events too, leading up to a crackdown of some sort.
Or we have a civil war, which seems they would like and are pushing for.
I was just listening to A perfect Circle’s song ‘Let’s have a war’ when i read this.
And doesn’t Obama have the military in the get go to take over the country if civil war breaks out?
They have been prepping for civil unrest for years, so I would say yes. Though not sure how many will go along with it.
He signed the NDAA 2012 Act into law last December. This gives the military the right to hold suspected terrorists indefinatly without trial and without proof.
Yes, and don’t forget kill. It is now legal to do what they have been doing anyways. Not a right though, just legal, not lawful (or a right). It is on shaky ground though with the NY decision, but it isn’t like criminals follow the law anyways.
Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A “Vision” of the Future
http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/full-spectrum-operations-in-the-homeland-a-%E2%80%9Cvision%E2%80%9D-of-the-future
Be sure to read the comments.
Sounds like what PNAC had planned. This is so not right. They can randomly hold anyone even if he/she is not a terrorist.
..bleak…http://www.naturalnews.com/036682_James_Holmes_Aurora_shooting_patsy.html
On this site, you will find a pic. of the empty parking slot where James Holmes` car had been parked – this pic still shows the broken glass, could not have been long since they removed the car.
On the asphalt where the spine board would have been located there are blotches of what looks like blood? Could be motor oil of course – but if you move over to the far right parking space, there you find the same color in a line of dots leading to the sidewalk where we see them merge with those still unaccounted spurts of blood…
http://www.businessinsider.com/james-holmes-conspiracy-theories-2012-8
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the younger one that died was from a knife not a gun!
Did someone do this to keep her from talking?
i still think it was the Cops that did the shooting.
Where did you read about the knife killing anyone? can you give a link?
and why would Holmes take a knife? He had guns?
sorry i do not have a link. i do not recall were i read it. but it was on the 14th i read it, but it was a news story. and as he used a gun why would she die from a knife?
i try to read everything on this i can. and i do think he did not do anything.
Anyone think it’s strange that witnesses claim that one of the suspects wore a blue & white plaid shirt and another said he had a goatee. When the cameras show James’ father arriving in Denver he has a goatee and a blue & white plaid shirt on. Just an observation….
read james had red paint on his body so maybe they thought he was injured- and he was also locked in the car because didn’t they have to break the side window? would be great if you could get a clear pic of the broken window because I don’t see it talked about much.
then that makes me think wasn’t he covered in armor how would they see the red paint? why would he even cover himself in red paint?
have you wondered how he changed into all the protective gear so quickly? and he painted his body in red paint so quickly? I’m not familiar with that type of gear but it looks like it would take time to put on unless he practiced
Just adding this link to this thread, as it supports Scott’s spineboard theory:
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/07/23/072312-news-colorado-shooting-1-4/
Pertinent part: “A relative of an inmate at the jail to which Holmes was taken told the New York Daily News he was restrained in a wheelchair when he was first brought in.”
Bear in mind, the NY Daily News source, a “relative of an inmate at the jail,” also apparently said that Holmes was brought in in full gear and had red paint on his body that was showered off–at least part of this info is unlikely, given that the gear is on the ground near Holmes’ car. This needs to be taken with more than a few grains of salt. Still . . . the wheelchair bit makes perfect sense. If true, it would also perhaps explain the purpose of the spineboard under Holmes’ car, and it would further support the theory that he couldn’t possibly have committed the crime–bursting into the theater “like the Terminator”–because of the stupor he was in.
In my opinion, the Defense should focus on Holmes’ incapacity at the time of the shooting if they wish to create reasonable doubt that he was even physically able to do what he is accused of that night.
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