Aurora Massacre: “Is that the dude in the white car nearby?”

by Scott Creighton

James Holmes was NOT arrested coming out of Theater 9

Listening to the audio of the police communications this morning I found something very interesting… they did not arrest Holmes coming out of the back of the theater. He was found in the car. We also now know he was drugged. These developments support my original conclusion.

It would appear from the transcripts of the police communications that they saw Holmes in the car, looked in and saw the weapons, and broke the window to gain access to him.

After a police officer reports that someone needs to check out the report of a guy in the back parking lot wearing a gas mask, immediately another officer asks “Is that the dude in the white car nearby?

The recording is here. Scroll to the bottom to find the video. I will try to post it. The following transcript starts at the 2:40 mark.

cop 1 – “I need a marked car behind the theater, Sable side,  suspect in a gas mask”

dispatch – “we need cars south side. suspect in a gas mask”

cop 2 – “Is that the dude in the white car nearby?

Apparently cop 2 is already back there or looking down the rear of the building and he sees James Holmes already INSIDE the white car. “Sable side” refers to Sable street which I believe the officer is intending to direct attention to the right side of the rear of the building since he says “rear of the building, Sable side” and coincidentally, that is where “a” gas mask was found.

Immediately, only a second later, another officer sees James already in the car and apparently not moving the car.

cop 3 – “everyone hold the air one second, cars where that white car in the rear of the lot, is that a suspect?”

cop 2 – “YES! we’ve got rifles, gas masks,  ive got a open door going into the theater, OK hold that position, hold that suspect!”

This in itself seems to suggest that one individual was seen along the back of the theater, Sable side, still wearing the gas mask and just a minute later a cop goes back there and sees Holmes already in his car.

Supporting that hypothesis, there are two more notable transitions from the officers on the scene:

cop 4 – “one of the shooters might be wearing a white and blue plaid shirt”

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cop 2(?) – “suspect says there’s only one but I am getting conflicting descriptions from the witnesses out here”

Could the witnesses talking to the cops giving them “conflicting descriptions” be talking about another person who shed his tactical gear, wearing a white and blue plaid shirt and the gas mask be the guy who ran down the length of the rear of the building to the “Sable side” where he finally ditched the gas mask and escaped to Sable st.?

Whatever questions this brings up, one thing is for sure, the police did not detain Holmes as he came out of the building, like is being reported. It would appear based on this evidence that Holmes was already in the car.

Combined with the photo of the broken rear passenger window, and the developing story that he was drugged at the time of arrest, it would appear my original hypothesis may in fact be accurate.

  • James Holmes goes out Tuesday night drinking and someone doses him. They do it early Wed morning so they have time in his apartment to set up those elaborate traps (how would James have known how to construct those anyway?)
  • They keep him drugged and off the radar till Thursday night when they go to the theater. They make sure to park in that spot, right next to the exit of the theater.
  • The assailant goes in, fakes the phone call, comes out, goes to the car where James is still drugged, gets the gear on, goes in and attacks the innocent civilians.
  • Then the assailant comes out the exit door, leans against it while dropping the gun and removing almost all of his gear with the exception of the mask.
  • He runs past the car dropping the gear next to it in a heap, opens the door with James inside, tosses the guns into the car, the shotgun has been there all along, and goes straight down the length of the building toward the corner, toward the camera, drops his mask directly under the camera, and heads off to the nearby street where a car is waiting (cruising slowly) to pick him up.
  • Holmes is reported to have been “meek” when arrested. This might also explain why he wasn’t shot by police… he was incapacitated, incoherent, or generally not a threat.
  • Holmes, who is being held under suicide watch in solitary confinement, remained in his murderous “Joker” persona after his arrival, a jailhouse worker told the Daily News.He thinks he’s acting in a movie,” a prison employee told the Daily News.

video link

James-Holmes-Colorado-shooting-Gunman-used-drugs-killed-Heath-Ledger.html

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131 Responses

  1. So if the police saw a gas mask in the car and one up on the end of the building…. wouldn’t that tell them there is two suspects?

    • What about the fact that the police were asking for gas masks so that they could go into the theater? Is it possible that the extra gas mask was left by a cop or emergency worker? Or that they could claim it was?

      Same recording linked above, starting at 1:17
      “Do we have gas masks available?”
      “Need gas masks in 9 – can’t get into 9″
      Dispatcher: “Any units that can bring gas masks to theater 9, again we need gas masks.”

      Again at 1:43
      “Get us some damn gas masks for theater 9- we can’t get in it.”

      • For one the are all marked as evidence, and they all (3) appear to be all non standard issue, which is claimed how they identified him, that the gas mask was not standard issue.

    • OMG!! Thank you!! I didn’t even think of that and I have been following this so closely. WTF? Thats so true!

    • I work right down the street from the movie theater. I drove past there last week and looked for the camera. There are none on the building. Period. So either the cameras were removed completely from the building since this incident or there were no cameras to evade.

      • we know there are cameras on the front of the building they show up in the photos from that night. Are you saying they are gone as well?

        • I didn’t look closely at the front of the building for cameras . I mainly drove down the length of the back of the theater on Sable. What is identified as cameras in the images posted on this site are actually the rain collectors on the roof of the building – the top of the downspouts.

          In terms of the whole conspiracy of this thing there is simply too much preplanning for someone to have set him up. Receiving all of those packages, purchasing all of that equipment. Failing out of grad school, how would anyone get him to do any of those things in advance to perpare the supposed “cover story”. This guy is crazy, he acted alone and he killed a lot of innocent people. Of course he was drugged, he told the cops he took drugs. Obviously, he intended to get caught or die in the process, he rigged his apartment to blow up. He wasn’t planning on coming back. The board under the car, they were looking under the car for explosives etc. obviously and the board was placed there so they could look without getting on the ground – duh. A cop saying “the guy in the white car” simply means they found him at, in, by his car.

          You people are wondering around the internet looking for things to preoccupy yourselves with and working in colusion with other lonely, likeminded people from afar as though you were here in Colorado investigating a case. You want everything to be a conspiracy and in your minds most things probably are. Here they are not. They are a tragedy that ruined a lot of lives.

          • So you have first hand knowledge of exactly what James told the cops? You know without a doubt he told the cops he took drugs? You believe everything you read or hear? There is no way anyone could fit under the car on that “board,,, that is a back board we use in EMS to transport a trauma patient to the hospital. Why it is there is a mystery, my personal opinion is whoever planted James in the car brought him there on the back board,,,easy transport for an incapacitated person. A cop saying “the guy IN the white car” means exactly that, he is IN the car, not anything else, if he was at or near his car they would have alluded to that. And I have much love, compassion and prayers to all those involved in this unfortunate incident. I am a 911 dispatcher, I know what people are capable of, I see it every day, but there are way too many holes, conflicting stories and unexplained details going on here that all is not what it seems.

  2. Is there a way to square your view with the account of Eric Hunter? He said he thwarted the assailant’s attempt to enter theater 8 after the assailant exited theater 9.

    One theory is that the assailant may have tried to go around the front of the theater to do damage there at which time he dropped the mask and turned back after seeing the police response.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/20/stories-of-heroism-during_n_1690688.html

    • read “Aurora Massacre: “Is that the dude in the white car nearby?”

      a new post by Scott… 2nd from top of front page.
      the police found Holmes in a locked car… the link to police audio talks about finding him…
      also some info about maybe another suspect wearing a mask running behind the building… maybe Eric saw the actual shooter.. who ran up to end of building… discarded his mask and took off across the street behind the theater?

      • Yes, but the escaped shooter has to be out by 12:41 at least and that’s cutting it close. I bet he ditched the mask and ran inside the theater just down from theater 8′s emergency exit. From what that witness Sheila said, they cops couldn’t get people to leave fast enough. All the shooter would have had to do is claim he was on the opposite side of the shooting, they wouldn’t have been interested in him.

        • My guess is that the original actor came in and threw smoke grenades then a team could have came in the door and shot like hell for 60 seconds then exited out back by 12:38 or so. The 911 operator was reporting shooting still going on later then that, but I didn’t hear any on the police radio transmissions in the background. Anyone could have called into 911 and lied and told them there was still shooting going on inside 9, even though the team had already made it’s exit. Witnesses reported multiple calibers and no gaps in between shooting to reload. They tried explaining that with the 100rd drum thing, but the AR had no such drum in the pictures, so it didn’t fly. I doubt you could tell if it was 1 or 10 shooters because of the tear gas. The warning shot with the shotgun got everyone down, then they went up the aisles shooting people, as the witnesses said. He just did too much in too short a time for it to be 1 guy with only semi automatic weapons I think. Why would the shooting stop before the cops even got there unless of course the plan was to escape, rather than the establishment tale of “maximum carnage”?

    • Impossible. The shooting was still going in theater 9 when the cops had the east side locked down. They were calling for MORE cars outside theater 9 by 12:42. (listen to police radio tape) Shooter was apprehended in his vehicle at 12:46 wearing gas mask.

  3. Excellent Scott – very important find.
    Talking about ¨meek¨ Holmes was either asleep in that car, or he was so freakin drugged out that he could not even open the car door!
    Damn car`s licence plate reads ¨119 ROC¨ what are the odds of that?!?

  4. Scott, I went out to the theater this morning to see if I could help you with some of your research. Unfortunately, I couldn’t even get close enough to see the back parking lot up close. One thing I did find out was that there are no video cameras on the outside of the building in the back, only in the front where everyone walks in to buy their tickets.

    I’ll have a post on my website later today with some pics I could take and video of what I saw out there. My site is http://www.digitaltreason.com and I will give you a link to it when I’m finished with it. I’m also going to link to your articles, if that’s all right with you.

    Keep on digging, my friend, you are finding out some very important information. If you need any help from me out here in Denver, please let me know what I can do.

  5. Here’s my video, hopefully my site will be back up soon so I can post the pics I took also:

    My Visit To The Century 16 Memorial 7-24-12

  6. Anyone know what the long, white, plank looking device under his car is?

  7. You’re a strange bird. He was parked in the back of a movie theater after midnight. Guess what? THERE WOULD BE ONLY ONE CAR BACK THERE. It’s not odd that they would have found him right away.

    • For the premier showing of Batman? and showing in how many seated theaters? We know of number 9 and 8… you got to be kidding…cars would be in back and front of building.
      and where are employees supposed to park?

  8. Now some people are using this attack to demonize welfare too. They argue this would not have happened if Holmes got a job and wasn’t feeding off the dreaded “Big Guberment”…

    The aftermath of this horror is almost as sickening as the mass murder spree itself!

  9. Oh, and this information is VERY revealing, Scott…

  10. Like Scott said in his YT vid, I really hope someone in the media has the balls to push this out into the public. I’m considering compiling information in document form and forwarding to Current Affairs programs such as 60 minutes, 20/20 etc. Go International. This needs to be brought to the attention of someone who is going to make that breakthrough.

    You got a follower in New Zealand.
    Keep up the good work.

    • 60 minutes and such would take what you gave them and turn it into a show about the “dangers of conspiracy theory”. They are not to be trusted.

  11. Wow, I have no idea what to make of this:

    TRANSCRIPT: Medical response to movie theater shooting

    http://www.denverpost.com/theatershooting/ci_21149907/medical-response-movie-theater-shooting?source=rss&utm_medium=twitter&cref=twitter

    If you have a shooter in the back of the theater (the east side) and there’s all kinds of evidence there, then would it have been so chaotic that they had to have the victims out in that same area?

    And, if there were that many victims out back, wouldn’t there be more blood than was actually on the ground, of the person who was shot going back towards the theater door? Sooooo many unanswered questions.

    This dispatch caught my eye though:

    “FDD: They’re saying they have a party on the east side of the theater they can’t get to. They need an ambulance. He’s shot in the back. And multiple parties inside the theater.”

    • Exactly. A crime scene like this where you have witnesses running out of the theater or officers helping victims out, you should be seeing more blood than there is. How come they never show the front of the theater? Nothing happened there? No victims walked out towards the front? Oh wait… there’s a camera in the front.. D’oh. Imagine my shock.

  12. Was he found in his car with the gas mask AND the armor still on?

    • I think he was seen in the car with the gas mask in there with him. That’s what it seems like from the police log. That of course begs the question, how did the other mask get all the way down at the end of the building.

      • How did the mask get down to the end of the building? That’s a very good question. And before anyone says a cop dropped it in the melee, using the cops OWN LOGIC on how they lied and say they caught the guy, from my humble research, that is not an official regulation mask used by Colorado PD. If you remember, Holmes would have gotten away if one of the observant officers didn’t notice that his mask wasn’t a regulation police mask, is the little good sounding fable they told us to make us think their cops are so top notch, instead of the complete INCOMPETENT buttholes they are for letting one of the biggest mass shooter murdering killers out free to run the streets on accident, I hope to GOD it was an accident, or else that is very, very, unnerving.

  13. It would be interesting to know if they tested the Swat Gear left behind for traces of gunpowder, or whether this ‘supposed’ other person actually left with it on. If it takes as long to put on as most SWAT Teams claim, then you’d be hard pressed to take it all off, especially if it was indeed James Holmes. Can you imagine trying to take off all that gear while drugged up? (That’s what the police claim didn’t they, that they found him drugged?)

  14. I meant ‘Hard pressed to take it off in such a short amount of time, plus drop the mask off at the corner of the building’.

  15. James Wilburn, an eyewitness, is reporting that the shooter had the rifle on his back in a sling? I don’t see any sling in the photos of the AR-15 around back.

    • this story just gets more and more f*ed up doesn’t it? I had heard he used the AR first and switched to the shotgun when it “jammed” (ie: ran out of bullets in that clip). Now, he used the shotgun first? And you are correct sir, there is clearly no sling on that AR in the photo

      • Yeah they claim they found him with 1k rounds of ammo or whatever, but at the same time they claim how many lives it saved when his drum jammed and he had to stop shooting- BULLSHIT. AR-15 no drum in it on pics, police on radio claiming we have mags on the floor. They had to stop shooting after 60 seconds so they could go out and make a smooth getaway. That is the obvious conclusion, occams razor as people keep saying about this event. The official story (all the different versions of it simultaneously) takes mental gymnastics to believe, it is not the most likely scenario at all, based on just the few facts the public knows at this point. The black ops team just forced LE to go along with it because they made em look stupid with such a professional hit. They were in and out in probably 90 seconds I’d say. The cops were outside theater 9 by like 12:42, so James Holmes pretty much had to be in the car the whole time. I really don’t even know how in court they are going to be able to prove that James Holmes was the shooter.

        • Hey guys i just thought this should be of note as well since no one is talking about this aspect of the shooting ar-15 rifiles do jam but are extremly easy weapon to clear a jam from heres an ehow video just over a minute long http://www.ehow.com/video_2354580_immediately-clearing-jam-ar15-rifle.html

          Anyone can do this in just around a few soconds ive fired these weapons before a jam isnt even a big deal. i just find it odd that they say his weapon jammed when even if it did he could of countinued shooting with it just food for thought guys.

  16. Any crime scene photos leaked from inside the movie theater?? It seems like they’re spending more time focused on the back of the theater instead of checking in the front or the lobby. I would assumed that there were victims running out towards the front of the theater.. If that was the case, there should be a trail of blood in the front.

  17. Wonder if any of the victims saw the cops take James Holmes into custody. It sounded like there was a lot of wounded out back there waiting to get rides to the hospital. The injured people had a good chance that they saw something, if they exited out the emergency exit.

    Haven’t seen any interviews yet with anybody that was out back after the shooting, but there were a lot based on the police radio. At about 1 minute in in the audio, you hear the dispatcher say that there is reports that there is still shooting going.

    On the sable side, on the side in front of theater 9 they keep saying. The police are outside of theater 9 in the back from the very beginning of the audio waiting for the shooter. That pretty much places him in theater 9 the whole time, no going out and coming back in. I thought he was only supposed to be in the theater for around 2 or 3 minutes.

    So the cops were there outside right by his car before the massacre started or what?

    Why wouldn’t they mention they had a suspect in custody till 4:20 into this audio?

    • I don’t know why that video posted that’s random. It was the link to the Aurora police audio of the mass shooting. Let me try again. This is the title of the video, search it if you have to.

      Aurora, CO Police Audio from Mass Shooting 7.20.12

  18. Ok lol I’ll try a different video, that’s weird. How about this one?
    Police Radio Audio Starting with First Dispatch to Aurora, Colorado Shooting at Century 16 Theater

    It starts at 12:39 am, and at least one call has gone into dispatch, as you hear on the beginning.

    At 12:40 am first units appear on scene.

    1:48 into the tape, dispatch reports shooter still shooting. That’s about 12:42 just barely, shooting has been going on for at least 2 minutes so far.

    2:30 into tape, officer says he’ll be out on foot on sable side of building on foot.

    3:10 in dispatcher relays reports that shooter is still shooting (12:42 am)

    3:15 bring me MORE (already units there?) units on the side of theater 9 “in front of theater 9″

    4:00 316 we need a rescue in here hot “just outside theater 9″

    4:17 need more officers inside theater 9

    4:18 (12:43) we’ve got the back covered

    4:50 need gas masks in 9 can’t get into 9

    5:20 Guys on the east side need officers on the east side to BLOCK HIM?

    6:15 We need a marked car on the sable side, got a suspect in a gas mask. (is that the cop that was on foot? sounds winded)

    6:30 “Is that the dude in the white car you’re by?” (Suspect still in car at this point) 12:45 30 seconds.

    6:50 Hold the air….cars by that white car in the back, is that a suspect?

    Doesn’t this prove CNN’s A timeline of the Colorado shooting to be totally bunk? They had him shooting for 60 seconds, no more then 90. Didn’t the people at CNN even bother listening to the police audio tape?

    How did the police just stumble upon James Holmes sitting in his car at 12:46, when they “had the back covered” and seem to have been outside theater 9 (common sense to go there because that’s where he was shooting and he could easily run out the back, securing the exits would have been top priority) at 12:43. It’s highly plausible that they had theater 9 surrounded on both sides by 12:42 or 12:43.

    They would have seen him walk out to his car wouldn’t they? Plus it doesn’t give the shooter enough time to be outside at all. What about reports he was waiting outside the exit shooting people? What about Eric Hunter’s report of him chasing girls into the back of theater 8 and banging on the emergency exit from outside?

    How did he almost get away except for them noticing his non regulation gas mask when he was in his car? Do SWAT members usually drive Hyundai’s while on the clock during an emergency?

    Basically- The police audio tapes prove that the shooter didn’t have time to be outside at all, certainly not all the way down at the end of the theater, where they found the gas mask and additional evidence.

    It also is highly implausible that the shooter had time to leave the theater and be in his car by the time the cops noticed him.

    The police audio is the key I think to the whole thing.

    • Which also has me wondering if there were so many “victims” in the back, how the hell did the cops figured out that the “suspect” was in the white car among the crowd?

      If he was in all tactical gears, they would have to assume, he was one of them.

      What I want to know, is where the 2 individuals that died? It was initially reported that 14 were killed.

      The shooter(s) definitely got away or stripped his clothing near the white car and walked among the “victims”… therefore, while Holmes was nearly drugged in the car…

    • judging by the layout of the theater can someone tell me how the hell people in the next theater were shot?

      • Yes, that is a good question, even if they were right next to each other, the alleged weapons aren’t powerful enough to have that much penetration.

        • a good point but the penetration didnt even cross my mind.its the fact that he would have had to shot towards the screen to get into the other theater

          • Don’t seem likley even more if that is the case.

          • maybe im wrong but looking from the outside where the exits are then looking at the video about ( shows inside theter 9) thats how i came up with that thought. I cant go as far to say james holmes had nothing to do with this but regardless of his innocence there was 2 or more suspects.

  19. A big question is, how did the shooter get away?

    Which side of the car was James Holmes sitting in? From the broken window, looks like the passenger side, easiest way to bring in a drugged patsy like that.

    The key question is, was James Holmes wearing the body armor and mask or not? If that gear was sitting out there like that when the cops got there, it was guaranteed a staged op.

    In that case, he or they rolled up with James Holmes drugged in the passenger seat at some point, then when the shooter fled, he took off all his gear, left it by the car, put guns in the car, tried to take the gas mask with him to get rid of the easiest DNA evidence, then probably saw the cops and had to duck into the theater down near the end, and blend with the crowd. Now I think they are stuck with two gas masks on the scene. He had to leave a gas mask with Holmes, otherwise that would be a dead giveaway for multiple actors if they couldn’t find a gas mask with Holmes. I’m wondering which victims had stab wounds. The shooter would have had to been already out the exit and gone by like 12:40 or 12:41 to beat the cops, which fits in with the 60-90 seconds of shooting info.

    There’s still a lot of work to do on this, but with the police radio evidence, there is no reason for a gas mask to be at the end of the building like that. Unless there were others involved besides Holmes.

  20. If Holmes was already in the vehicle at 12:42, when the cops got to that side, that’s the only way it makes sense for them not to find him till 12:46. They would have noticed him walking around out there. He easily could have been in the car the whole time.

    • If the cops were on the scene at all, they would be on all the back exits soon as they got there. Watching for what they thought was the active shooter. There are only 4 sides on that building and one cop would be able to see the whole side at once.

  21. what is this:

    http://photos.denverpost.com/2012/07/20/photos-shooting-at-aurora-theater/#78

    Am I blind.. or is that red thing a gas can? What is duffel bag doing?

    Seriously, this is a lot of “evidence” for someone to get rid of in that one particular spot.. not even near Holmes car.

    And by the way, the passenger window was shattered and there are pieces of glass on the ground.

    • am i just seeing things or is there really more clothing items for more than one person? I saw another photo of armored gear near the trash can.

    • Yeah it is a gas can. I wondered about it too!

    • remember, there where other people parked back there that night (or were there?) – might account for the gas canister…

  22. They never mentioned the gas can, the duffel bag, or the riot shield on any sort of news

  23. i seen something white under there but wasnt sure what to make of it

  24. maybe it was something to lift up the car? or a tool used for someone to lay on and investigate underneath the car?

    • Its definitely a stretcher. If someone wanted to go under the car to check the wiring or bomb… they would use a robot.

  25. Question is, if the window on the drivers side is tinted, how did the cop know he was in the car unless it was already broke out? Did Holmes lock the door on the others once he realized what was going on, and they broke the windows (both the side ones are broke) to get to him or to get in so they could make a get away?

    On the other hand, almost certainly Holmes had to have been in the car if the cops broke the windows out to have to get to him, or they would have had the keys, IF Holmes had the keys, as they wouldn’t have had to break the windows out to get to him if he wasn’t in the car, because Holmes would have had them so they could get in without breaking a window, let alone 2.

    • good point…….. the others broke the window to get to Holmes… or to throw in used weapons in order to incriminate Holmes….
      wouldn’t that be awful ! to realize you were being set up and drugged and struggling to protect yourself against highly trained killers…..
      He thought he was part of a movie plot? How could they convince a person of that?

      • Well he is young and that is easy to do when young, they have turned him to drugs and such, and living the fast life. I can relate to that, I’ve certainly had experiences like that when younger. It is called peer pressure, especially when it is coming from somebody older and “cool,” and bit more world wise, and I think likely there was a girl or girls involved too, and maybe that was who was doing the bleeding, and she could have been expendable to. It is interesting that there does look to be a very delicate piece of clothing left by the equipment pile by the dumpster if you closely at the pictures I uploaded.

        Not sure how they sold it what they were really suppose to be doing though.

        Good thought on the weapons, that actually is a better explanation of why they would have had to break in, though there could have been more than one once he locked the door, such as using the weapon (40 cal) that they used inside to shoot him in the head. I think while the one was trying to do that (or they both were), the other started to take off, and that was when the altercation took place, about where the blood trail starts.

        If it was going from the door out, it would be easier to pass off as just a wounded coming out of the theater.

        • keep in mind they said that trail was made by that girl they want us to believe it was, and it is easier to lie about something when it is close to the truth. That they feel the need to explain it (especially with the prez), tells us something in itself.

  26. Say what! Come on guys – this is ludicrous.

  27. Has anyone looked further into the drill that was carried out the same day at a UNI ?. Was this a dry run for the evenings event ? The smoke bomb, why would you need that ? my thoughts are so no one could witness how many shooters there really were. If James Holmes did not want to be recognised he could just as easily have worn any type of mask, according to police he gave himself up anyway so why need a mask at all….except that it matches the practice drill carried out earlier in the day using a smoke bomb, hence you would need a gas mask.

    http://www.infowars.com/eerie-coincidence-colorado-university-had-identical-drill-on-same-day-as-batman-massacre/

    Does Holmes have an enemy someone that hates him so much to do this to him? School mates would know, someone would know surely !

    • That’s the whole thing about the people who are buying (or selling) the story he is just a lone nut, which I have had problems to begin with. This was a militarily executed event, and Holmes has absolutely no background in that sort of planning, or even shooting weapons. If he was just a lone nut why such careful planning, when all he needed to do was bring in a gun and start shooting? We are to believe that he planned all of this to live through it and not get caught, then just sets there so he can be caught and live in hell the rest of his life? There isn’t any of it that adds up, unless it is in the light of false flag at the opportune time we should suspect as always.

      It isn’t like this is something new for this bunch either. They have a long history of staging events, have said that they need one, so they have the motive opportunity and means, and it all adds up to making the event they wanted stick to what they wanted, despite any problems with it that have cropped in through the plan meeting the .battlefield or the reality of getting it done, without embarrassing questing derailing it.

  28. Just looking again at this statement from a witness, seems here we also are talking about a second suspect. Whoever came in, sat down, used his phone, leaving by the door the shooter entered… it was not James Holmes. Who could forget that red hair ?

    Also curious the police are not interested in finding him either as they should by rights be asking him to come forward to eliminate himself from their enquiries . BUT they are not following any enquiries are they, it was Holmes , files have been sealed and they are asking for the death penalty.

    http://thedisclosureproject-steelmagnolia.blogspot.com.es/2012/07/colorado-shooting-video-witness-someone.html

  29. You can’t even say he’s not capable of assembling explosives and those supplies. He was very well educated.

  30. My english sucks but i have read all the opinions here and i thinks that Holmes was set up….i just want to colaborate with this:
    Robert Holmes, Father to suspected mass killer James Holmes, was scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the largest bank fraud scandal in world history that is currently unfolding and threatens to destabilize and destroy the Western banking system. Robert Holmes, whose “blueblood” family links go back to the Mayflower, is known throughout the global banking community as being the creator of one of the most sophisticated computer algorithms ever developed and is credited with developing predictive models for financial services; credit and fraud risk models, first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.

    James Holmes is innocent!

  31. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread864945/pg1

    Its all over the internet Robert Holmes prime witness. So whats the deal , you keep your mouth shut and we drop the dealth penalty ? But they still have his son he will not be released for this crime it just ensures Robert Holmes keeps his mouth shut.

    • Just because it is all over the web doesn’t make it so. It was first said in an article by Sorcha Faal, a known disinfo agent, with no proof to back up that he was suppose to testify anywhere. The father’s profile, might indeed be true, at least it has some links for that that MIGHT be legitimate, but even profiles like that can’t be said to be 100% rock solid evidence, as it would be very easy for some one to get in there and make it up.

      Sorcha Faal is very good at taking things that have some truth to it and weaving a story that suckers people into believing the parts that aren’t true.

  32. However, the Robert Holmes story appears to becoming from a disinformation site !
    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread865164/pg1

  33. Goat indeed you are correct, I found that out for myself we crossed posts.. However more links here worth taking a look at .

  34. Olympics mentioned in last link : I have put together all links that point to something going down in sidebar. The fact an under cover film maker from G4S exposed himself because he feared a smear camping against him when he mentioned there are several thousand body bags prepared and a plan to evacuate London

    I suggest everyone reads Charlie Skelton’s report in the Guardian and you will see just how heavy Washington and London are involved in ousting Assad, who is not by the way killing his people.

    http://olympicsredflag.blogspot.com.es/2012/07/what-do-jesuits-have-planned-for-london.html

  35. this blog is for the James Holmes case……

  36. The link I posted connected James Holmes To the Olympics.
    I can see I am wasting my time here. Chow.

  37. [...] be in Holmes’ car? Are we supposed to believe that Holmes took off all of his gear and then waited around, within his car, to be apprehended? Satan knows that this is a hard pill to swallow. Especially when one considers [...]

    • I skipped through most of this video…. the map thing just baffled me…..
      you can find any symbol you want in clouds, detailed maps and such…

      now..this all may be true stuff…. I certainly can’t say it isn’t but I do say that the word ‘Allah’ means God…. even some Jewish writings refer to God as Allah….. Muslims mostly use ‘Allah’ as their respectful reference to God….. (I think.. I may be wrong)
      Allah is not the devil as the end part of this video says,,, (unless I misunderstood the man’s words and that is possible… I don’t hear as well as I used to)
      No one religion is totally correct or wrong… we are all a part of a vibrant and expanding learning process of our universe and the total God that is connected to all of us…..
      that’s my two cents….. :)

  38. its messed up that all those symboly are placed right there in colorado though, right by the school then right by the movies. too coincidential if you ask me

  39. Getting that dodgy Off-Topic Prison Planet feel now.

  40. Aurora DK scanner 2-hour audio tape and transcript no edits timecode accurate, very interesting:

    http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2012/07/dark-knight-rising-for-new-world-order.html

    In The Dark Knight Strikes Again, Batman assassinated the president of the United States, by ramming his Batjet into a skyscraper, to stop the president from attacking USA in a nuclear false-flag terror attack using robot drones. Batman also killed the terrorist Joker (Robin), a mind-kontroled slave of the president, using Thermite. DK2 was published on 10 September 2001. Is the Dark Knight Movie Massacre retaliation for Frank Miller whistleblowing Operation Northwoods?
    http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2008/12/dark-knight-dvd-holy-batshit-911-truth.html

  41. Okay well first of all I am going to try to address all of the MANY HOLES in your hypothesis. In the beginning you ask how he would know how to make all of those bombs? Well that information is obviously on the internet and searchable through google.That information has been posted on the internet for many years under resources such as the anarchist cook book. In your hypothesis you write someone drugged him Tuesday night and basically kidnapped him for two days. That is a very wild theory that you seemed to get out of thin air with no relating information or evidence of where he even was Tuesday night. It make no sense to believe that’s a fact and why did you say Tuesday night and not Wednesay? James Holmes was identified by fellow movie goers sitting in the front row and when he left the theater he drew obvious attention to himself as he stood up during the movie and walked out. Yes it is a theater so you wouldn’t see him perfectly but out of the many people in there someone would have got a good view of him. Next you say he puts the gear/ guns back into the car after this “other shooter” finished the assault and drops the gear but doesn’t drop the gas mask at the car. Why does he not do that and goes to the corner with the gas mask only to drop it next to a camera? Are you saying he forgot or wanted to keep his face hidden until he gets to a video camera? I doubt it, James Holmes in a panic could have ran to the corner and dropped the gas mask or MAYBE he is drugged up because he took drugs himself before doing the crime. Which also could explain him being incapacitated in the car. MAYBE he took too many drugs and passed out in the car. Did you think MAYBE he tried to overdose? I know there is no supporting evidence for that and it’s not necessarily what I beliee but it holds as much weight as your theory. Your ideas are not even based on any real evidence. You made a point to bring up a radio transmission that didn’t even prove your point, “cop 3 – “everyone hold the air one second, cars where that white car in the rear of the lot, is that a suspect?”
    cop 2 – “YES! we’ve got rifles, gas masks, ive got a open door going into the theater, OK hold that position, hold that suspect!”
    Both of these cops are saying he is in the car by the time they got to the back of theater. So how do you get that another suspect ran to the side of the theater and jumped in a car that was “cruising slowly?” James definitely had time to throw the gas mask on the other side of the building and may have if he was drugged up or just not thinking rationally then drop his gear at the car and jump in.. MAYBE he was going to leave his car or MAYBE in all the excitement of the moment his mind was not fully functioning. He could have also ran to the side of the building to shoot more people outside before dropping his gear by the car. (Definitely possible) Some stories from the public are going to be a bit jumbled; a lot of people had different points of view and forgot insignificant moments or details. It happens all the time especially in cases like this. There were many reports prior to you posting this of him being arrested in his car. The news stated that he was already outside at his car and when the cops came he surrendered. I think you need to work on your conspiracy theory because it is a lot more likely the news is telling the truth over your proposal.

  42. I also find it interesting that in the picture of the parking lot you can see blood – obviously from someone walking out of the theater with blood on their shoes – but there are NONE that lead to the car he sat in (as according to police reports!)??

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2180505/Dark-Knight-Colorado-Batman-massacre-claims-13th-victim-Heartbreak-pregnant-survivor-year-old-killed-shooting-suffers-tragic-miscarriage.html

    SCROLL DOWN TO SEE PICTURE OF THE PARKING LOT!

  43. JMP, I was contemplating the same thing. Was there even blood on James Holmes shoes? I did notice however, a much fainter trail of blood leading from the left of the footpath into the parking lot, ceasing by the yellow measuring wheel (pic1). Right about the distance of a backseat, had a car been parked there. As far as I could tell, the larger stains to the right of the measuring wheel don’t appear to be blood or related (pic2).

    It is difficult to speculate on the blood trails though, as we don’t have any information as to how many victims had evacuated or been rescued through the area, and if it was before or after the arrest.

    Yet, I find it interesting that no evidence marker was placed on this trail, yet the wheel remained there until the very end of the day while the rest of the evidence was detailed and packed up, and the other wheels had gone.

    http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/spine-board-1.jpg

    http://photos.denverpost.com/2012/07/20/photos-shooting-at-aurora-theater/#28

    • Saba, I am sure there are a lot of details the public does not know (yet). Do I think this guy is innocent? I am not sure. Some things just don’t add up… I guess time will tell. Thank you for the link, very interesting.

      • I think the prosecution doesn’t really have a very strong case as of now. They could have got the DNA off the gas mask, but it appears they may have badly botched the investigation by removing that mask and replacing it with another, and attempting to cover up the knife. I wonder if the knife, marker #1, is on the official evidence list or what?

    • I think the police have details they are not giving out.

  44. http://photos.denverpost.com/2012/07/20/photos-shooting-at-aurora-theater/#7

    In this picture though, youcan see a pair of flip flops – maybe a victim exited from that back door and he/she was the one leaving the blood stains.

  45. Interesting thought….

  46. Scott,

    have you discussed the blood trail that is infront of the suspects car that leads toward the second gas mask labeled as evidence (far end of parking lot)?

    What I’m asking is whose blood is this? did people leave the same exit that allegedly Holmes did? by his car? I’m curious, I have no idea. If not, it definitely would support that an injured suspect may have fled the scene and dropped his mask. A second gunman could have been shot by holmes, on purpose or by accident… or if you subscribe to the “assault team” theory, it could have been friendly fire on their behalf.

    anyone with information on the blood trail would be helpful. thank you.

  47. [...] that Holmes was drugged up when they found him inside the car (not coming out of the theater as early reports indicated) [...]

  48. Didnt he warn the police about the booby traps?

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  51. Have the transcripts/ location of that phone call ever been made? Sorry if I’ve missed a trick here but only just joined your amazing world :-)

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