(Ever notice how much Ron Paul and AJ rant about the broken public education system? Ever wonder why? Oprah supports for-profit schools, Obama supports for profit schools, and AJ and the Paul tribe support for profit schools. The first school privatization plan came from the Chicago Boys down in Chile under the dictator Pinochet. Nice historical model for Obama, Romney, and Ron Paul to adopt, ain’t it? )
by Trip Gabriel, New York Times
“Voucher” is a fighting word in education, so it may be understandable that when Mitt Romney speaks about improving the nation’s schools, he never uses that term.
Nonetheless, as president, Mr. Romney would seek to overhaul the federal government’s largest programs for kindergarten through 12th grade into a voucherlike system. Students would be free to use $25 billion in federal money to attend any school they choose — public, charter, online or private — a system, he said, that would introduce marketplace dynamics into education to drive academic gains.
His plans, presented in a recent speech at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, represent a broad overhaul of current policy, one that reverses a quarter-century trend, under Republican and Democratic presidents, of concentrating responsibility for school quality at the federal level.
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american parents today should seriously consider pulling their children out of public indoctrination system disguised as education
let’s see, who was taught in a public indoctrination system? hmmmm…Rand Paul, Ron Paul, Noam Chomsky, alex Jones went to public school didn’t he? Lets see, who else, oh yeah, I was and probably you guys… my nieces and my nephew, Norman Finkelstein I think, was Tarpley? I don’t know.
Fact is, lot’s of people went through the public education system and turned out alright. Many turned out better than alright, they turned out to be dissidents of the highest order.
When the neo-liberals/libertarians tell you about the “public indoctrination system” what they are doing is demonizing the public system in favor of the FOR-PROFIT model. Everything privatized, schools, post offices, police, firemen, even government itself. EVERYTHING.
And if you don’t think the for-profit school systems are even worse indoctrination programs, you haven’t been paying attention. The children of the wealthy parents are taught a liberal education with business and politics and history (real history) as the focus. The rest will be taught according to what ever trade or service oriented career is deemed suitable for them. Hell, some of them set up fake Burger Kings in local schools around here so the kids could spend an hour a day learning how to work in one after school. This was a class for a grade.
Public education is one of the best things this country has going for it. It took generations up from lower working classes to the middle class. It is the one ticket to the middle class for most working families and their children. And you say what? Pull you kids out?
Talk about being beggars to you own demise.
all forced “education” is illegitimate indoctrination.
kids should stop worrying about the authoritarian education system, branch out and start putting out books, music, movies, articles, and starting businesses.
kids are told to get good grades and find a job. become a slave of the system, basically. they should be told about how they can expand the field, not simply fall into it.
i went to catholic school in italy just so you know
i am not saying privatize, i am saying usa public education is worth scrapping as stands, my grand children will not go to NATO public schools.
You have it confused…. NATO will be represented in corporate operated schools paid for by vouchers that the tax payer pays for.
and you think the Catholics indoctrinate their students any less? Ever see the Blues Brothers?
In fact, if you look at the trend, the for-profit school model is trending toward the faith based schools. Do you know why that is? Because if you mix religion in with education, it’s MUCH easier to indoctrinate the students, that’s why. Take the example of the movie “V”.. what does the poster say and what does the chancellor say? “Strength through Unity. Unity though Faith” See how that works? Faith based for-profit school systems, systems owned by people who only have faith in mammon, are on the rise. And they will continue to get more and more of the tax dollars while providing kids with lessons in things like creationism and Adam and Eve.
And you’re worried about telling kids they need a college degree to get a good job?
in fact i think public education represses all individuality and embeds herd mentality
Do I have a herd mentality?
Point is, until it was criminally defunded by the likes of the Heratage Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, and others, the public education system worked beautifully. Young people were able to learn and improve themselves, go on to college, and enter the middle class, something their blue collar parents worked hard to give them the opportunity to do.
this is the first generation since the New Deal that is living worse than their parents, did you know that? That’s not an accident. The public education system helped this country back when it was actually run correctly. Sure, there are those who try to use if for other ends, but like anything else, any system can be corrupted.
I am no prize (though I think I think quite well and see certain aspects of our history and current events that most don’t) but my brother went to public schools and now he’s an ER doctor saving lives when he can, fixing kids broken arms. He went from being relatively poor, son of workers, to being a doctor… a real doctor by the way, not whatever Rand Paul is (my brother actually got his B.A. degree… didn’t have someone pull strings for him to get him into med school)
Point is, a good public education system works. We had a good one till the neoliberals decided there was gold in them there hills. End No Child Left Behind end Obama’s Race to the
BottomTop… start funding it like the children of the country actually matter (not just the children of the rich) and I promise you, you will see a better informed population (by the way… haven’t you ever noticed that while you are parroting the libetarian “no public education” mantra the oligarchs also happen to hate the idea of an informed population capable of lateral thought (thinking for themselves)? Just thought I would point out the glaring contradiction there)excellent reply , Scott…
you know what i am not a libertarian and am not a parrot, i find that rather presumptuous of you … and guess what i am pagan. regardless of me, am glad you are happy with the quality of education in usa and the ability of all children to get secondary college education in the great america. i am not happy with education as is, or the teachers. you are taking my words out of context as if i am libertarian, i am anarchist.
So you are:
“an·ar·chist [an-er-kist]
1. a person who advocates or believes in anarchy or anarchism.
2. a person who seeks to overturn by violence all constituted forms and institutions of society and government, with no purpose of establishing any other system of order in the place of that destroyed.
3. a person who promotes disorder or excites revolt against any established rule, law, or custom.”
So you really want to destroy public school systems …..
Thanks for letting us know. : (
sighs, american definition taken out of context
anarchists want violence removed from the equation of society … am not going to explain if you would like to know about anarchists have plenty at either of my sites
Errico Malatesta
Neither Democrats, nor Dictators: Anarchists
(May 1926)
http://www.marxists.org/archive/malatesta/1926/05/neither.htm
good luck watching the world pass you by, many countries offer free secondary education, not slave training … Libya was one of them
didn’t I tell you they have been deliberately underfunding and undermining the education system here in America? Funny, I thought I said that.
Mad Maddie Albright Brainwashes Grade Schoolers For New Generation Of NATO Warfare
http://piazzadcara.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/mad-maddie-albright-brainwashes-grade-schoolers-for-new-generation-of-nato-warfare/
I can easily see both sides of the argument with carinaragno. When I went to public school in the fifties and sixties the teachers were paid adequately, although there were some discipline issues. Having motor dyspraxia, I could not write at all, so I would always just go home at lunch hour. I basically dropped out in the fourth grade. (However, the teachers admitted I knew more than all their other students, since I read all the time.) But the education was fine (in Connecticut). My teacher friends say that things are not fine at all nowadays. I went to a major university for about two years, but the ignorance and roboticism of the other students disgusted me, so I just walked away. One time some corporate cabal set up this rather large Disneyesque “carnival” on the campus, 100% constructed of pure plastic “adventure” contraptions, while passing out credit cards. It was so obviously banal, to the point of obscenity. I gave a strident presentation to two of the “student radical” groups about how this abomination needed to be protested, but they all just listened sheepishly, and decided that it was below their radar. Three days later, they were all out there picketing. Obviously, their professorial programmers had handed down a “memo.” That’s when I just left.
I think they should just take up six hours of the student’s time and not demand homework, and offer more teaching to those who want it. Education is partly about learning important stuff, but also partly about indoctrination. When a bell rings, they all rush off to another class like Pavlov’s dogs.
The vouchers for private schools thing is a huge deconstruction of a system that basically worked very well for at least a century. The politicians these days have defunded the schools, imposed unworkable policies, and then “fixed” the ensuing mess with much worse financing schemes and policies. They are destroying everything we have, apparently with insane glee. Time to wake up.
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