by Scott Creighton
Since the very beginning I’ve been saying there is something seriously wrong with the Trayvon Martin case and that George Zimmerman was being railroaded as a distraction or a planned incitement of racial hostilities in America. Truth is, that’s exactly what’s been going on from the beginning. What was immediately portrayed as a racially motivated murder in cold blood, now seems to be (like I have said many times) to be nothing more than a man shooting another man who was in the process of bashing his head on the sidewalk. Photos and more information have surfaced that make it painfully clear that Zimmerman did not shoot Trayvon out of racial hatred as the MSM tried (and even lied) to make it seem.
But now, in the true sense of leaving no good crisis to go to waste, there seems to be something else behind it as well, a Mayor Bloomberg-led gun control coalition looking to use this fabricated issue as a cornerstone in their efforts to repeal various gun rights in America.
Imagine that. A billionaire 1%er looking to strip the gun rights of the 99% just before the economy goes completely in the tank. Go figure.
“The mother of Florida shooting victim Trayvon Martin appears in a Mother’s Day gun control video produced by an advocacy group led by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg.
Noting that ‘this will be my first Mother’s Day without my son, Trayvon,’ Sybrina Fulton asks viewers to urge their state governors ‘to re-examine similar Stand Your Ground laws throughout the nation to keep our families safe.’
‘Nobody can bring our children back,’ Fulton says in the video, released on Thursday to several websites by a Bloomberg-led gun control coalition called Second Chance on Shoot First.” Daily Mail
Billionaire Bloomberg (net worth in 2012 was 22 billion dollars making him the 11th richest person in the country) has been leading the charge in gun-control legislation around the country and in New York where he is currently serving his third term as mayor since successfully pushing legislation which allowed him to run for office again.
Bloomberg’s campaign called “Second Chance on Shoot First” is an advocacy group looking to roll back legislation which it claims sends criminals out in the streets looking for opportunities to shoot people without good cause. Just food for thought: “Second Chance” and the Second Amendment? Coincidence?
“Prior to “Shoot First,” people had a traditional duty to retreat from a situation outside their home when they could safely do so. Now, afforded immunity and a presumption of lawfulness by the law, armed individuals can seek out opportunities to use deadly force outside their homes. And the hands of law enforcement and prosecutors are tied.” Second Chance on Shoot First
This was the exact narrative that the MSM tried to push during the early stages of the Trayvon Martin case, that Zimmerman was some fake Neighborhood Watch racist who went looking for Trayvon so he could shoot him down in cold blood. It’s almost as if Bloomberg and his advocacy group was writing the script for the media as this was taking place.
Turns out, that was far from what actually happened. Zimmerman was at first described as being not injured at all, turned out to have serious head wounds and a bloody nose and mouth from the fight. This photo was taken a few minutes after the fight and subsequent shooting.
George Zimmerman’s bloodied head minutes after the shooting of Treyvon Martin
“The police report from the night Martin was shot notes that the back of Zimmerman’s head was wet and that he was bleeding from the nose and head.” New York Post
This seems to corroborate the eyewitness report that he saw Trayvon Martin sitting atop George Zimmerman beating him while Zimmerman screamed for help.
The accusations of racial bias were fast and furious at the beginning of the media coverage even going so far as to attempt to claim that Zimmerman had used the word “coon’ during the 911 call in reference to Trayvon when in fact it turned out what he said was clearly “it’s cold out here”. Then another media “news” service actually audited the 911 call tape in order to make it seem like Zimmerman noted the color of Trayvon’s skin right off the bat when in fact, he had been asked by the 911 dispatcher to identify the suspect’s race.
Lot’s of information about Zimmerman’s life has come out since all of the original hype and disinformation came out including the fact that Zimmerman helped out black families living at the condo complex where this all took place and the fact that he even mentored black kids in Orlando.
But all along his family has been telling the press (with little attention being given to it) that George comes from a mixed race family and that accusations of racial bias in this case were without merit. Now a photo of Zimmerman’s mother and Great Grandfather has emerged negating all the media speculation about the family lying.
George Zimmerman’s mother sitting atop his great grandfather’s knee
Mark Nejame recently went on Piers Morgan Tonight and disclosed this family photo and also, more importantly, talked about Zimmerman’s connections to his black neighbors and the mentoring he did in Orlando.
Nejame has come to a different conclusion about the case. Nejame had been a rather zealous critic of Zimmerman, having been convinced early of his guilt and racist motivations. In fact, the first judge in the Zimmerman trial had to recuse herself from the case because her own husband has a professional relationship with Nejame.
“Talking to people that know him, I have changed my position,” revealed the guest. “People can come up with whatever conclusions they want. But from looking at the facts and the evidence, I don’t think there is a racial motive in there.” Piers Morgan Tonight
“Last month, an investigation by Reuters portrayed George Zimmerman as a trusted aid to most of his black neighbors in the gated community of Sanford, Florida that was plagued by a string of burglaries in the weeks leading up to the shooting of Trayvon Martin.” Daily Mail
Turns out George Zimmerman is just a decent guy who took a rather lengthy ass-whipping and even plead for help before having to resort to using his firearm to defend himself from Trayvon Martin.
When you think about it, this is really a case of simple self-defense and not, as the media has been trying to portray it from the beginning as a case of some guy out there running around “shooting first” for the pure racial hatred of it all. This wasn’t a case of “stand your ground”, it was a case of a guy being viciously attacked and having to finally resort to deadly force. It’s that simple.
Clearly this case has been manipulated from the start. The Governor of Florida assigned a “special prosecutor” who refused to take the case before the Grand Jury because they all knew it would get kicked out.
This isn’t about justice for Trayvon, this is about using Trayvon to disarm the American public and incite racial tensions in an already volatile situation created by the deepening economic crisis. This is about a billionaire banker looking to incite racial hatred at a time when people should be getting angry at him and his 1% brothers. That’s all this is about.
I certainly hope the fauxgressive sites out there who jumped on the Zimmerman lynching bandwagon without ever once questioning the credibility of the facts and the news reports have the decency to publish retractions and reassess their stance on this case like Nejame has. I “hope” they do that, but what I expect is they will once again, bend their frayed self-respect even further and seek to find some obscure, irrelevant tidbit of factoids that allow them to cling to their original wrong understanding of the case so they can avoid learning the hard truth that once again they have been lied to and manipulated by everyone from CNN to Barack Obama.
George Zimmerman is in hiding while Trayvon’s mother has had some eight months of vacation time donated to her by other county workers in Miami-Dade county. Zimmerman is being prosecuted beyond the extent of the law while the mother of the man who attacked him is making psyop videos for a billionaire in New York.
Funny world, ain’t it.
Filed under: Scott Creighton, Treyvon Martin Case
The power of money can strip a nations economy and put diamond studded eye blinders on anyone who could serve the 1%….. most people can’t see well through a gold-lined veil….
it takes a strong good person to do what is right and to ignore ‘fame’ and an abundance of money in the bank.
the 1% are now also blaming the occupy protesters for causing cities to over spend their budgets….. doesn’t that make you hate the occupy protesters!
The 1% rule the workers.. and swing their gold carrots in any direction they want us to run…. and most obey… they need the money..
Why do people continually believe garbage like this from the MSM? These organizations have only lied to them consistently and repeatedly millions of times over.
Like the old saying: “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.”
And then they should add: “Fool me more than twice, I am too stupid to live.”
Saint Trayvon looks like Dear Leader® the Messiah’s son. That evil hispanic, mexican, whitey, cracker killed em for his Skittles and Iced Tea, Jesse Jackson and Oprah told me so.
Greenmon is right. Anything the MSM says where there is a political or social engineering aspect is most always a lie.
Has anyone followed the J.T. Ready case? Murder-suicide is the official tale but no matter what you might think of the man, it probably was an assassination and cover-up.
We have a very healthy skepticism of VT but Mike Harris may be on to something there. It’s every bit as interesting a case as Zimmerman and if it was a cover-up the implications of corruption are far reaching.
A recording of the 911 call just came out recently. Have you heard it? It’s his girlfriend making a domestic violence complaint to the cops and in the end you hear him firing a shot (or someone) and then she screams and you hear another shot and the line goes dead. That would take a bit of manipulation to stage that and then kill the girl in the call. But again, I don’t know. I haven’t looked into it too much.
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/05/jt_ready_gilbert_massacre_list.php
Is it really about race or class warfare…..how many times have we all read in the paper how some celebrities get away with dui or drug possession and we all sit there and say. “It’s because of who they are”. For? No its not fair and that’s what happened here…..zimmermans dad is a judge, the da SA that and let ya walk away with killing a kid no questioned asked until it went national then they were forced.
I hear people say…..if it was a black man that shot it wouldn’t be in the news…ummm…no it wouldn’t because that black man would have been arrested. Capricorn Florida, black man shoots white dad in front of his daughter, claimed stand your ground…..shooting took place on a Sunday……black shooter arrested Tuesday…..1 1/2 days after not 45 days later like Zimmerman……..you go shoot someone and clImb ” stand your ground” and see how long it is before you are arrested ( that is if your daddy is not a judge)……let me know
His daddy wasn’t a judge. He was a magistrate in Va. Retired magistrate to be exact. And Zimmerman was let off because he had a broken nose, two black eyes, gashes on the back of his head, and a witness who saw Treyvon on top of him attacking him while George screamed for help. Treyvon was the attacker, not the victim. Autopsy report stated Treyvon had no wounds other than the gunshot at extremely close range. Treyvon attacked Zimmerman and he eventually used the gun to stop the attack.
That’s called self defense. The “racism” lies didn’t work. The Big Bully George story didn’t work. And now all they are left with is “profiling”
Please provide details of the other case which you mentioned.
I know a magistrate and honestly, its basically just another name for a judge. For all intents and purposes(influence) hes a judge. Same relationship with police that judges have, thats for sure.
And I don’t wanna get down in the muck over this again, but do you think its possible that Trayvon felt threatened(being followed by a guy on a cell phone etc.) and THEN attacked Zimmerman? No offense, but you seem as sure of what exactly happened there as those on the other side of the argument. The shots may have been in self defense. The punches from Trayvon may have been as well. Fight or flight. Ever been followed by somebody? Assaulted? Its not fun. At this point in my life if I feel threatened I’m going to try and get you first.
To me it IS bigger than Trayvon or Zimmerman. I agree with you that gun control advocates will try to capitalize and its wrong. Media hacks like Sharpton will try and do the same and its wrong. But regardless of what cuts Zimmerman had on him, had he been black and Trayvon white there would have been an arrest. Thats all I’m saying.
Actually, that is what I believe I said: that Zimmerman saw Treyvon acting funny and just looking around. Zimmerman thought that was suspicious and followed Treyvon in his truck and called 9/11. Treyvon noticed him and reacted. At first he went up to the truck and then he took off running. I don’t know why.
Have you seen the coroners report yet? Treyvon was high. That explains why he was acting funny in the first place.
Also… in a police report Treyvon Martin’s father heard the recording of the 9/11 call of someone screaming for help. When asked if that was Treyvon, he said no.
I don’t think they are capitalizing on this, I think they found out about the case and then approached his family and made it happen.
I saw an interview with Treyvon’s mother and they talked about them getting a PR firm to launch a campaign, the campaign we have been watching all this time. Now, did she do that out of the blue or did Bloomberg and his people approach them?
“acting funny”? Ok. Whatever that means.
And please with the “he was high!” crap. I know, its all over Fox News right now. You’re better than that. I’m high on pot right now. And? I guess I should be shot. Come on Scott.
We agree that Bloomberg is a piece of shit though.
You mean to tell me that if Zimmerman was high it wouldn’t make a difference?
Look, Zimmerman said he was walking real slow, looking up at the houses and just kind of meandering down the street.
Shit yeah. He was stoned. He was looking at the lights enjoying his walk. Zimmerman misunderstood what was happening. so of course it makes a difference. Doesn’t mean Treyvon was guilty but it DOES explain what Zimmerman saw. He didn’t see a guy who was looking at the houses, he saw a guy who was baked looking at the lights on the houses. That’s why it’s important and that’s why I mentioned it.
For Christ’s sake, he was going to get Skittles and Ice Tea. He had the munchies.
But do you see a headline on my site or even an update since these disclosures came out talking about this?
“I guess I should be shot”
Oh come on. Zimmerman didn’t shot him because he was high. He shot him because he was sitting on his chest bashing his head on the concrete and no one would help him as he screamed for help.
You seem to have left that part out.
You tell me Chris… how many gashes on the back of his head and how many broken noses does it take to make it self defense? How much blood did Zimmerman need to shed for the crime of following Treyvon. I’m sure you have thought of that since you have given this so much thought. So tell me. How much closer to being knocked out with a gun in his waistband did George need to be before he had a right to defend himself as best he could?
You tell me that please.
Used to be that if there was a shooting and the guy was shot in the back and the other guy had no wounds, then it wasn’t self defense. Those were the good old days.
Now apparently if the guy is shot at point blank range, had no other wounds on him except for his knuckles (look it up), and you have lacerations on the back of your head, black eyes and a broken nose and have been screaming for help from the eye witnesses who saw the guy attacking you, it’s not self defense if you did something wrong prior to the attack.
That about sum it up?
I dont think its NEARLY as relevant as you do. Maybe you’ve never smoked pot? Its not crack. Its not even alcohol.
And you missed my point. Again, It may have been self defense to shoot him at that point. I’m not even arguing that point. It also may have been self defense for Trayvon to punch Zimmerman(I DID NOT leave that out). I dont like to be followed either. KEY WORD-FOLLOWED. You seem to be ignoring THAT.
No need to get so defensive. You seem as emotionally invested in this as any of the Trayvon supporters you criticize. You also seem just as biased, pushing the “he was high!” stuff and the like. I mean no disrespect, thats just how I see it.
Yeah, prior to the attack like stalking a guy and initiating the confrontation in the first place when he could have let the kid walk down the road and that would have been the end of it. But wittle Georgie with the record and judge daddy was just being Super Neighborhood Watch man right? What a stand up guy. That about sum it up? I’m done. There is no point in having this argument yet again.
I explained the relevance of him being stoned, Chris. You want to harp on your misinterpretation of what I said because it’s easier than trying to understand what I was saying because you don’t like what I was saying.
The marketers who have been shaping this story since if first broke have created an emotional connection to it. That’s how marketing works.
This case is nothing like they presented it to be to start with and you know it.
After all the lies (remember they tried to say he called Treyvon a “coon”?) and all the misrepresentations (5 year old photos? Zimmerman bigger than poor little Treyvon ring a bell?) and the claims that Zimmerman wasn’t injured (do I really need to specify on this one?) and the claim that it was Treyvon crying out for help (that one is pretty much gone now too ain’t it?)… what are they left with?
What is Bloomberg’s psyop left with?
He “followed” Treyvon?
He was the Neighborhood Watch guy, Chris. That’s what he did.
And Treyvon attacked him…
And after pleading for help and getting his head busted…
George finally pulled out his gun and shot him.
You go right ahead and do Bloomberg’s work for him if you like but it ain’t doing Treyvon any good.
kay?
Thats a hell of a lot of assumptions. Again. Heres a fact from the police report. I await your update on the story based on this fact-”Prosecutors on Thursday made public a trove of evidence used to justify murder charges against Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman, including a police report that concluded “the encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman.”
Because, you’re fair and unbiased and everything. No, you’re not manipulated at all. And for someone who has written so much about this case I wonder why you still cant spell the dead kids name.
And I still dont think you understand the effects of marijuana. Its not fucking crack. Its not relevant AT ALL except to those who have a warped view of that “drug”.
man you really are getting hateful aren’t you?
here you go. Been working on this all morning. enjoy.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/05/18/trayvon-martin-case-evidence-supports-defense-case-and-spin-doctors-exposed/
and by the way, don’t lump me in with those blaming the drugs. I NEVER wrote that and you using it like this is just a strawman argument.
(and by the way, his name was spelled with an “e” by several journalists in the early days of the case. I picked up on that and neglected to make the change. But the fact is, my FIRST article on this case came to the conclusion that Zimmerman should be charged with manslaughter and turns out that is exactly what the police wanted to charge him with as well. Also, EVERYTHING I wrote about this case has turned out to be accurate whereas all of the propaganda (and the new article names the name of the spin doctor by the way) has turned out to be incorrect. you can’t stand that, it’s your problem)
actually that was covered in my new article and in fact, I made that exact case in the very first article I ever wrote about this case…
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/03/31/the-treyvon-martin-case-opportunists-and-politicos-unleashed/
do me a favor and compare how accurate my article was on March 31st to what was being reported by the MSM.
You are acting as if you were there and saw the whole thing not only Zimmerman but some people are always trying to lie their way out of cases like this all the time.. The updated info of this case has show that Zimmerman is what he is and that would be a big liar.. After already calling the cops to report a suspicious looking guy that was walking the neighborhood in the rain why didn’t Zimmerman just leave it at that and just go on to the grocery store as he claim to be going and let the cops look for this suspicious guy.. And wether Trayvon hit him first or not Zimmerman was still wrong to follow Trayvon after the 911 dispatcher asked him was he following Trayvon and when he said yes the 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman that they don’t need him to do that Zimmerman said ok but continue to do so anyway.. Zimmerman is not part of that neighborhood watch program he appointed his self as one.. Zimmerman was just out that night to look for someone to f~ck with anyway and it didn’t even have to be Trayvon it could have been anybody that was out that night just minding their own business but I guess Trayvon had happen to be the first one he ran across bottom line Zimmerman needs to be punish to the fullest for his actions of taking a innocent persons life the way that he did point blank…………..
“no it wouldn’t because that black man would have been arrested.”
Thats the key to the whole thing. It became an issue precisely because of that.
This is more of what a chosen few of Black people are doing to American People as they are really looking for public attention and money I do not know how but they always seem to be looking for a pay off of some kind when are we going to start discouraging this kind of thinking racism needs to die out
jlelandthomas
The prosecution is putting out all sorts of half truths to the media and with a picture of Martin when he was about 12 years old.
In fairness he wasnt all that much older than that when he was shot.
No, Chris, he was only 17, and 6ft 2inches and weighing 140? So a 17 year old , trained football athlete is totally different than a 12 year old boy …..
he was too young to die….. and Zimmerman is a young man also….
wish we could ‘take back that night’ and tell those two what would happen if they let bad judgement (on both young men) over ride their night……
they would both be walking and laughing today .. enjoying life.
140? Wow. All Zimmerman had to do was let Trayvon continue down the street. He decided to be a cowboy and initiate a confrontation. Now someone is dead that didnt have to be. Oh, but Trayvon fought back and was high on pot so of course he deserved it.
watch the video in my new article. Trayvon was heavier than 140
Ok, he was heavier than 140. Does that matter at all if it was Zimmerman who “could have avoided” the situation and was in fact the reason there was a confrontation in the first place?
In your mind its just NOT POSSIBLE that Zimmerman was looking for a fight, or at least deluding himself into seeing threats that were not there. I dont know if hes racist but the fact is he called the cops numerous times before about “suspicious black men”. He should have left it at that this time and that “suspicious black man” Trayvon would still be alive and Zimmerman would still be chasing phantoms.
But in your mind its not even possible that Zimmerman started this and escalated it, or that Trayvon felt threatened by being followed and lashed out. You dont know any more than I or anybody else does about that. But you you speak like you are SO sure that Zimmerman the choir boy is the victim here and the dead kid is some doped up thug looking to rob somebody.
You brought up the pot. So I responded. You lumped yourself in with Fox,CNN etc. on that one. So to be clear-pot use is relevant but Tamazepam use isnt right?
As far as being “hateful”, I apologize if I project that. I dont mean to be hateful at all and still genuinely respect you and your site even if I find you off base here. You got your back up and got defensive first so I followed suit.
Look, don’t worry about it Chris. We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Happens.
But, I do want you to remember what I wrote on March 31st, it just happens to be the exact same thing the cops said at the time before he was arrested and pretty much the same thing you are saying now…
“Should George Zimmerman be prosecuted for involuntary manslaughter? Yes. He should have done what the cops told him to do and stayed in his car.” March 31st article
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/03/31/the-treyvon-martin-case-opportunists-and-politicos-unleashed/
No hard feelings Scott. We just see this differently. At least the case itself, I actually agree with you about media spin meant to divide. Thats a given regardless of who was in the wrong.
But he was older and much larger. Larger than Zimmerman in fact.
In “fairness” they manipulated you. manipulated how you feel about the case so they could use it… so they could use Treyvon and his family and Zimmerman to get what they wanted. These weren’t accidents, these were deliberate choices made by the media… and it worked. Even now.
Bullshit. I’m not the one pushing Breitbart bullshit. Talk about a psy op station. And I’m also not calling for gun control so you’re wrong.
They took a random incident where mistakes were made and they retooled it to serve their purpose. They remade it like they would remake a sitcom. They enhanced the characters to suit their plot, they changed the scene to suit their ending, they brought in new characters to direct the final act which is playing out in court as we speak. They just completely retooled it like they retooled the Times Square Bombing story. Then they sent out the press releases to the media instruments who set the narrative for all the rest and that was it. it’s all they had to do. thats what they do. and now we know how they did it, what parts of the story they changed, who did it and why.
like any other product, like any other character, they needed an emotional connection in order to achieve what they wanted. that’s why they chose pictures of the younger Treyvon. That’s why Obama said he could be his son. That’s why they lied about Zimmerman over and over again. They used them in order to try to use us.
For what exactly? Votes for Obama? Gun control? Boy, that worked out great for them huh?
I just read that Zimmerman was on Tamazepan. Its for anxiety and unlike pot, it has real effects on your psyche. Have you heard about that? Will you add it to your story? Or is that not as relevant as Trayvons pot use?
Big Pharma gave it to him though so its all good right? Martin was on “street drugs”, Zimmerman was just doped up on legal drugs. At least thats the argument I guess.
Tamazepan.is for insomnia … guess Zimmerman could have fallen asleep while Martin was crushing his head against the sidewalk.
and the amount of drug in Martin was minimal… not enough to hamper his reactions.
not many people, now-a-days, can take a blood test with out some sort of ‘drug’ showing up… like aspirin, prescribed drugs, caffeine ,
Its for anxiety as well. Believe me.
http://www.drugwarrant.com/2012/05/ooh-he-had-thc-in-his-system-that-means/
Racism no racism ….George put himslef in that possition and he needs to pay. end of the day he had no bussiness approaching travon period. 911 operator told him leave it alone.
So he should have done what? Allow Trayvon to continue to bash his head into the ground indefinitely?
Zimmerman also has a not so good past & history so I guess you feel that Zimmerman’s past & history should be irrelevant to this case huh??? Let me ask you this if Zimmerman would have killed one of your family members and you notice that his story just don’t seem right about killing one of your family members in self defense Would you still feel as though that Zimmerman was acting in self defense and say well my family member shouldn’t have ran up on Zimmerman from behind throwing the first punch bashing Zimmerman head on the congrete and braken his nose………………………..
You are so right…speaking of family…GZ was estranged from his parents until he got arrested. He cannot be the Great son they claim him to be if they were not even speaking to their own son. I have not been able to find out why they were estranged….I thinking it might have been about money. Nevertheless he had no relationship at all with his parents before this tragic incident occured. They probably got some of the blood money GZ begged for…..and lied about.
Zimmerman shot a guy who was sitting on top of him beating his head into the ground. He shot him in self-defense. How many times would Treyvon be allowed to smash George’s skull into the sidewalk before George had the right to defend himself? Let me know. We’ll petition the courts, call it the “Three Smash Rule” or something like that.
He sure has made a lot of money being promoted and interviewed by Sean Hannity and other similar types hasn’t he? I particularly like the predictable jingoistic style of his website. Because really, whats more “American” than “pre-emptive” strikes on “possible” threats before they materialize? Imagine the shock that Zimmerman got when the kid fought back. Similar to the shock Wolfowitz,Rumsfeld and the others feigned when after told us the Iraqis would greet us with flowers and they instead greeted us how any population would under the same circumstances. With resistance.
Look, the guy was the neighborhood watch of his community. What do you expect a neighborhood watch guy to do, ignore him because he’s a young guy he’s never seen before acting funny walking through his neighborhood? Really? We have to make a Bush/Cheney link here? Remember when they tried to claim he said the word “coon”? Remember when they edited the audio to make it seem that GZ offered up the description of the guy’s race without being asked, but he was asked? Remember when they said GZ hadn’t been assaulted and he obviously was? “Pre-emptive” strikes? Come on man. This thing has been handled since day one. Bloomberg is all over this just like he is all over the Aurora shooting trying to make legislation out of that one as well. Treyvon didn’t have a single mark on his face. He didn’t “resist” he attacked Zimmerman while Zimmerman was screaming for help.
I wonder how many times you would let a 6’2″ guy pound your head into the pavement before you pulled a gun and shot him.
I wouldnt have stalked and pursued and scared the kid on the cellphone like Zimmerman did. 6’2 or not the 17 byear old mind is the 17 year old mind. “Watch” him if you want but why suspect the worst and pursue him like hes a criminal? So I wouldnt have been in a position to get my head smashed in the ground. Trayvon may have ultimately been scared enough to throw fists. I dont blame him.
The whole “neighborhood watch” thing is a flimsy excuse for harrassing someone. There are plenty of genuine and well meaning concerned citizens out there and then there are people who take it upon themselves to play judge,jury and executioner. Zimmerman appears to have been the latter based on both his own history and based on his “proactive” actions that night.
Again, just because a noted gun grabber like Bloomberg would predictably take advantage of a shooting does not mean Zimmerman is an innocent choir boy. Trayvon may have gotten a jump on him but what preceded that? Zimmerman initiating a confrontation. Zimmerman getting out of his car. Zimmerman treating a person walking home to his dads house as if he were a criminal worthy of suspicion.
Think about what you are saying. You are saying that Trayvon had the right to attack Zimmerman because Zimmerman followed him down the street…
… but Zimmerman did not have the right to defend himself after Trayvon attacked him, broke his nose, sat on his chest, and bashed his head into the pavement several times while Zimmerman was pleading for help from the witness (who turned and ran back to his house)
being followed, being racially profiled, justifies violence… but violence and the threat of death doesn’t? What kind of logic is that?
Do you remember how the press published old photos to make Trayvon look like a little kid and George to look like some hulking monster? You think all of this was a coincidence?
Like many people, you became emotionally invested in a particular view of this event and you have yet to abandon that view in spite of the piles of evidence that shows the media deliberately misinformed the people about what happened. As I said before (and apparently this is the same conclusion the detective came to, so I think I am pretty on track) Zimmerman should be tried for some version of involuntary manslaughter due to his role in all of this. I don’t let him off the hook. But I understand what it is as a tool of propaganda and I think I was pretty right from the start of it.
You heard what Trayvons girlfriend said right? He was stalking him. Pursuing him. You make it sound so innocent. It obviously wasn’t. At least not to the dead kid if you believe the person he was talking to on the phone during some of this.
And again, if your overall critieria is media coverage, most of the media has framed this as a divisive issue and make victims out of BOTH people involved(as they do with so many other issues its fake “right” versus fake “left” perspectives). This is predictable but it doesn’t automatically mean there was not a real victim here. We obviously disagree on who that victim is and what ultimately led to this avoidable confrontation and killing.
Yeah, we know he was following him. He said so on the call to 911. We also know from one of the witnesses that there was an initial confrontation at one point along the sidewalk and then silence and then the confrontation continued further down the sidewalk. Well, that meshes perfectly with what Zimmerman said. He claimed he walked up onto Trayvon, spoke to him, turned to walk away, and Trayvon followed behind him, yelled something at him, and then attacked him. And I think you and I have discussed this before. His statement matches what that witness heard. His statement about being on the ground being attacked and calling for help also matches the eyewitness statement and the recordings. So at this point, it seems like he is being rather honest about his version of the events. If indeed Zimmerman turned and started to walk back to his car, if and when that is established, do you still say Trayvon is innocent and that Zimmerman had no right to defend himself?
And yes we do disagree. Had Trayvon simply walked away and sued the homeowners association for being racially profiled by Zimmerman, then yeah, this case would have been different. What led to the avoidable confrontation was a NUMBER of mistakes, not the least of which being Trayvon attacking Zimmerman and bashing his head in the ground while he was pleading for help.
Refer to my post on july 29th…with so much bashing he only had two small cuts. Blood on that photo was wiped and was not bleeding any longer…his head was not bleeding when he went to the police station ..but then the next day his wife put fingertip and knuckle bandaids on his head…and the entire media started saying they were butterfly bandages…..so wrong. If he reallly needed butterfly bandages he would have had them placed the night the incident occured. He even said that he had his wife put them on. They didn’t even stay flat on his head. As I said…..a facade. Even if Trayvon was Hurting him….he did not have to kill him…why didnt he just injure him? BTW. he was not officially a neighborhood watch captain….he just self elected himself. He is a lying, coniving, manipulative individual that should be punished and convicted. He actually seems to me like a stalker….didn’t even identify himself…should have said “i am the neighborhhood watchman…I have never seen you around here…whats up…are you visiting or new in the neighborhood? Instead he had to follow trayvon like a stalker…If I was Trayvon …I would have been frightened. When You are scared all your strength comes out…he was protecting himself. Even if Trayvon did have him on the ground …he could have yelled out….Hey im the neighborhood watch….but no the big bully…had to kill me. Well…he deserves to be convicted and found guilty and spent his life in jail.
“He claimed he walked up onto Trayvon, spoke to him”
Yes, “spoke” to him. Whatever that exactly means. Only 2 people know for sure. Well, one now. We agree then, Zimmerman initiated this.
You act like Trayvon had no reason to be afraid or that Zimmerman simply presented himself as a concerned “neighborhood watchman”(as if that would even matter much). If I’m accosted and accused while walking down the street innocently talking on my cell phone then I would feel threatened. I’m sure Trayvon did as well. His girlfriend says as much. Fight or flight. Perhaps Trayvon was wrong for not taking flight and running. The idea that a scared 17 year old would think-”maybe I should just sue the homeowners association” is kind of ridiculous though. He was alone on a dark street and he took action when threatened. The lawsuit would never fly anyway, lets be honest.
perhaps he was wrong for not letting Zimmerman walk away? Perhaps he was wrong for resorting to violence? Perhaps he was wrong for pounding the guy’s head into the ground after Zimmerman was already down?
take your pick.
and by the way, didn’t it come out that innocent little (6′-2″) Trayvon admitted and bragged about punching a bus driver on his Facebook page or a Tweet or something like that? I seem to remember something about that.
so you’re ok with that… the fact that it looks like Trayvon followed a retreating Zimmerman and attacked him as he was heading back to his car. That’s ok with you because Trayvon was scared?
Again with the “hes 6’2″. Do you remember what its like to be 17? Have you ever been accosted on the street for what you look like or for no reason at all? Is it possible his height is irrelevant to the fear he might have felt being alone and accused by some guy?
And again-there would have been no violence had George Zimmerman NOT taken it upon himself to cast suspicion and who knows what else. He initiated it. He scared someone and that someone apparently fought back. His head would have NEVER been “bashed into the ground” had he minded his own fucking business and not harrassed a kid on a cell phone like he was a “terrorist suspect” or gang member or some shit.
And do you really want to look at Trayvons documented cases of violence and arrests(which is to say none) next to George Zimmermans? Neither of us really know these people but we can air out whats publically available if you want. Like the “thugged out” picture of Trayvon that so many media whores liked to show. Shocking that a young black kid would dress up like a rapper right? No, but it works for PR purposes. Ask George Zimmerman.
Who knows if he was “retreating” for sure? How did Trayvon know he wasnt going to get a gun? He had already confronted him once for no good reason. And again-neither of us really knows what Zimmerman said in that confrontation. We only know that Zimerman DID in fact start the whole thing and initiate the first confrontation.
If Zimmerman was so badly beaten…why wasn’t an ambulance called…he did not even go to a doctor until a couplr of dsys later…and that was just to get a note to return to work
wow how much disinformation do you know about this case? The ambulance was called, they treated him on the scene, he refused to go to the hospital, and went to central processing with the officers. That came from the cops.
“2″) Trayvon admitted and bragged about punching a bus driver on his Facebook page or a Tweet or something like that? I seem to remember something about that.”
I’ll check Glenn Becks archives. I’m sure if it happened he’ll have it. Or even if it didn’t possibly. Was Trayvon 14 or 15 when he allegedly did this? How old was Zimmerman when he drunkenly pushed a cop and got charged with assault? Bit older than 14 I bet.
right, Glenn Beck. Cus you know I run such a neocon/tea party website here. come on man, what are you doing? We disagree on this one thing, and you result to that? Take a look around, does it look like I get my info from Glenn Beck? and apparently the rest of your argument seems to suggest that Beck was right anyway, so what does that mean? I don’t know how old he was when that happened but he seemed mighty proud of it. It could have been just before or when he was 14, I don’t know.
Look, I don’t want to rehash this same argument over and over again with you. We agree on so much and so much is happening these days, let’s just jump back to our earlier position where we agreed to disagree on this one.
“Glenn Beck”? really? come on man. that’s cold.
Neighborhood watch of the community…BS. Just a wannabe cop who thought he was big and bad with a gun. He should have minded his business and went to target and Trayvon would have been alive. What did he think…that any newcomers to the neighborhood had to report to him?
No, I know you dont fall for Glenn Beck tea party type bullshit but you tried saying the media is all about painting Zimmerman as a monster. You know thats not totally true even if some on the “fake left” are all about that. That was my way of saying it. You did see his interview with Hannity right? I understand going to “friendly” media but thats ridiculous. There is plenty of media painting Zimmerman as the victim and the dead kid as a monster.
I’m totally fine with moving on from this. We both had our say…again:-). And just to be clear, I did not intend to insinuate that you fall for Glenn Beck type bullshit. That wasn’t my point at all. The Glenn Becks of the world ARE the ones advancing such stories about Trayvon Martin though. I was just pointing that out.
Poor innocent George Zimmerman
Go to http://www.washingtoninformer.com scroll down to national stories…..Great article/story about GZ proclaiming that it was all God’s plan.
This is getting most tiresome. I basically agree with Scott on this one.
Pot is not a violence inducing drug. And neither is Temazepam (Restoril®). It is marketed as a sleep medication, but is just as good an anti-anxiety, and anticonvulsive agent as, say, Oxazepam (Serax®). It’s perfectly safe, although tolerance can build up. These drugs have little to nothing to do with what happened. Whenever possible police operate in pairs, and this is exactly the reason for that. The problem really is that our tanking economy is causing stripped-down civil protection. Several large cities just layed off half their police.
Maybe the bullshit media reporters should be required to patrol the streets. Oh wait, maybe not!
I am get aggravated every time I see that photo of the back of GZ head. He just had 2 small cuts…a couple of drops of blood can look a lot worse than they really are if you just let the couple of drops drip. He purposely let it drip to look worse..and probably tilted his head a few times. He wasn’t bandaged until the next day as a facade. If He did not have it bandaged the same night..cause the drops wre just wiped. Also the bandages he had on were not butterfly ones that close a wound….one was a fingertip bandaid the other was for knuckles. They were not even all the way on his skin. He had his wife put them on for the cameras.
I am not an attorney….but it seems according to the conrete evidence that Shellie Zimmerman is quilty. This is why GZ bail was revoked. His bail and conditions were amended due to the evidence that they both lied that they were broke. She even was asked the direct question…Do you know about the website raised any funds…she said No…..she clearly lied under oath and the phone calls and bank records and paypal account prove it. So how can he plead not guilty.
I meant how could she plead not guilty to perjury.
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