by Scott Creighton
Upon further investigation, the Trayvon Martin case is nothing like it was presented by the MSM to start with. But then again, what is these days?
George Zimmerman isn’t some “out of control” freak running around the neighborhood spying on everyone with his pop-gun at the ready. His father isn’t a retired judge from that county using his influence to get his son off the hook. And it certainly doesn’t look like he stalked and killed Trayvon in cold blood while the kid was begging for his life.
That narrative simply isn’t true.
By all eyewitness accounts Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman in a physical confrontation when the gun went off and quite possibly it was Trayvon who approached Zimmerman as he was heading back to his car. So why the deliberate distortions of the story in the press and why is no one even curious about Al Sharpton standing around in the background as this case starts looking more and more like deliberate misinformation the likes of which we saw Sharpton peddle in the Twanna Brawley fiasco long ago?
What happened to Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman on Feb. 26th 2012 is certainly a tragedy. But what’s been developing ever since the MSM decided to stop ignoring the case and to exploit it for various reasons is appalling to say the least.
Yes, George Zimmerman was by all accounts a wanna-be cop ( “I hold law enforcement officers in the highest regard and I hope to one day become one.” George Zimmerman) who was the official neighborhood watch officer in his middle class gated community (46 911 calls in the past year). And yes, the least reported facet of this case is the fact that his daddy, Robert Zimmerman, served as a Supreme Court magistrate in the Virginia court system.
When I first heard about the case, I figured it was yet another example of privilege rather than prejudice. Zimmerman’s father was reported as being a retired judge in the same area, so that misinformation led many to say the prosecutor was cutting his son a break as a professional courtesy. But that story doesn’t really hold up to further scrutiny. His was father was a retired magistrate which is not the same as a judge but he served in Virginia, not that county in Florida. He just happened to live there.
Zimmerman nor his father weren’t wealthy by any standard of measure. The median incomes for their respective neighborhoods are around 66k and 49k. The “gated community” was hardly an upper middle class location. His father’s home is only valued at 119,000 dollars. Not what one would call the 1%
The picture of what happened that fateful night is now becoming much clearer. Yes, they did struggle and yes it looks like Treyvon was on top of Zimmerman and the latter was calling out for help prior to the gunshot which took Treyvon’s life.
“When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point,” John said.
CNN’s Anderson Cooper also reported from another witness that the two were rolling around on the ground when the gun went off and that the larger man, Zimmerman (described as “Hispanic” by the witness) was the only one to get up.
A recording of a 911 call by a neighbor who didn’t actually see the confrontation captured the cries from help which seem to have come from Zimmerman, though many people say the high pitched quality of the voice shows it was Trayvon’s voice and not Zimmerman’s but that flies in the face of the police reports and the eyewitness testimony no provided by two witnesses who saw the confrontation.
When I listened to the video it sounds like Zimmerman’s voice calling for help. It sounds like Zimmerman’s voice which you can hear in his 911 call to the cops. Just for the record, I didn’t hear Zimmerman use a racial slur during that call and neither did the audio experts hired by CNN. The racial slur angle is important because without a racism motive assigned to Zimmerman, the Obama justice department cannot get involved in the case.
Apparently what happened was Treyvon saw Zimmerman in his vehicle watching him so Trayvon decided to approach the car. Perhaps Treyvon saw Zimmerman on the phone calling the cops and Trayvon split. Zimmerman pursued on foot against the orders of the police dispatcher who clearly told him they didn’t want him to do that.
According to Zimmerman’s statement as best as we can ascertain at this point, Trayvon disappeared into a cul-de-sac of some kind and Zimmerman started to return to his vehicle having lost sight of Trayvon. But then Trayvon approached Zimmerman from behind asking if he “wanted something” from him. A verbal confrontation took place at that point but according to Zimmerman he continued toward his vehicle and a few moments later Trayvon approached again and the physical confrontation began.
This version of events is somewhat supported by the witness interviewed by Anderson Cooper who claimed he heard a loud confrontation at first, then it stopped, and then it continued a few moments later, this time closer to his window. That’s when he looked out and saw them on the ground and the gun went off.
Zimmerman should never have gotten out of his car. He should have done what the police dispatcher told him to do. But whatever one thinks about the case you have to accept at this point that there was in fact a physical confrontation between these two people and according to 100% of the witnesses, Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman while Zimmerman was calling for help.
Had his neighbors responded, perhaps Trayvon wouldn’t be dead. That’s a harsh statement, but it’s true. That scuffle seems to have gone on long enough for someone to have gotten out there and helped out rather than hiding behind their locked doors calling the cops.
As far as I can tell, this is what happened that night.
As tragic as it is for the Martin family and the Zimmerman family both, the tragedy has continued and been exasperated by anyone and everyone looking to make this case into something that it isn’t.
Spike Lee tweeted an address of some elderly couple claiming that is where Zimmerman was in a clear effort to mobilize people down in that area to harass that household, or worse. Turns out it was some elderly couple who had to live in abject fear for a couple of days until Lee apologized publicly for giving out the wrong address.
Lee should be charged for that. If I or you or anyone else put out what is effectively a call to cause harm to someone on the internet or in tweets, we would be arrested. Not someone as famous as Spike Lee though.
The fake “New Black Panthers” group put out a bounty on George Zimmerman.
Why Eric Holder hasn’t arrested them at this point only goes to show they are taking their orders from the same sources. Putting out a hit on someone is clearly against the law and they should be arrested. If you want to find them, try looking at the nearest FBI or NSA office.
I watched a couple of Keith Olbermann’s segments about this story just before he was fired from Current TV and to be honest, I’m glad he was fired.
You could not present a more one-sided view of this case if you were paid a million dollars by Obama himself for doing it. There was no mention of eye-witnesses, there was no evaluation of the cries for help in the audio recording, and the only thing he seemed interested in doing was justifying a seated president for exploiting a tragic shooting incident for his own political gain, which I tell you right now, no one can convince me his administration is not doing. Not only does he associate himself with Treyvon claiming his son would look like him, the White House website offers a hoodie for sale with the tag line “Show everyone which side you are on”
That is a despicable intrusion into an ongoing case which as you can plainly see, is far from as open and shut as the MSM and the White House would have you believe.
But perhaps most despicable of all (and that includes the fact that they are biasing the general public by using out of date photos of the perp and the victim to make the differences seem much larger than they really are) is the fact that the “Rev” Al Sharpton is advising the family of Trayvon Martin through all of this.
For those of you who don’t remember, Sharpton got involved with a little story some years back where a young girl claimed to have been kidnapped and raped by police officers and others in the woods for a couple of days. It never happened. Neighbors of the family claimed they heard the mother of the girl talking to Sharpton saying things like he should have taken the settlement before the truth came out. A security guard also reported something similar. They even at one point accused the prosecutor of raping her til that fell through then they changed the story again.
In the end the grand jury decided they hathe lawsuit even though Sharpton did everything he could to derail the case including shouting “racism” at the judge and storming out of the courtroom nearly everyday.
Sharpton was a sleaze then and he’s a sleaze now. If anything is disrespecting the memory of Trayvon Martin like his father said, it’s not someone looking into his criminal background, it’s associating his death with a shyster and blatant opportunistic liar like Al Sharpton. How MSNBC gave him a show of his own is beyond me. You would expect that kind of thing from Fox.
My heart goes out to the families involved. Especially to the mother and father of Trayvon.
There is no indication that they believe anything any different than what they say on tv and in various interviews that they have given so to that end, there really is no comparison between this case and that of Twanna Brawley. My guess is they are being intentionally misled by Sharpton and others who have a stake in making this a big story and a racially based hotbed of controversy.
Even I had fallen for some of the early misinformation surrounding the coverage of this case (some of it on MSM and some on alternative sights like Jack Blood’s show). But now I think it’s starting to look a lot different than originally presented.
Fact is, as the official neighborhood watch officer, Zimmerman was doing what he was supposed to do when he called in the suspicious person standing around looking at houses that night. Whether or not we THINK he was suspicious looking to Zimmerman because he was a young black male wearing a “hoodie” is an assumption. For the most part, his neighbors and his black family members wouldn’t agree with that assessment.
From all of the witness reports and the audio recording of the 911 call, there in fact WAS a physical confrontation and no matter how many times Keith Olbermann claims Zimmerman didn’t have ENOUGH wounds on his head in that processing video, the fact is, the police report shows that his wounds were treated prior to returning to processing and again, the witness reports DO corroborate his story of a fight between him and Trayvon.
The media has clearly been presenting a biased view of this case, even going so far as presenting old middle school pictures of Trayvon next to arrest photos of Zimmerman from 2005… 7 years ago. They certainly want to present a marked difference in these two that doesn’t exist now and didn’t exist when they met on Feb 26th 2012.
Also of note, the autopsy report is not going to be released nor has the phone records in which “Dee Dee’ claims to have been on the phone with Trayvon during some of the first part of this conflict.
Jessie Jackson is out there calling Trayvon a “martyr”. That’s going a bit far in my opinion.
While the Supreme Court is evaluating the case of the insurance industry bailout law and the economy is slowly sinking back into further decline, this case is providing a certain measure of distraction from the otherwise incendiary news which should be grabbing headlines.
I thought I understood this case from the start, but I didn’t. You’re not going to find the solution to it from one side of the fake left/right divide or the other. Everyone has an agenda in this matter.
Is it race baiting on the part of the White House? Yes.
Should George Zimmerman be prosecuted for involuntary manslaughter? Yes. He should have done what the cops told him to do and stayed in his car.
And if you can’t take a little 170 pound 17-year-old kid (140 pounds my ass… he was 6′-2″ tall) in a street fight without whipping out your gat, you got no business trying to be a cop in the first place.
So yes, George should be charged with involuntary manslaughter regardless of the “stand your ground” law.
But is Zimmerman some out of control racist running around shooting black kids and getting away with it because he’s white and living in Florida with a retired judge as a father? Absolutely not.
People are being manipulated just like they were in the Kony 2012 campaign. That’s easy to see. What the desired effect is, I cannot tell.Do they want race riots to distract the people from the wholesale theft of the country? Do they want to explain Obama’s reelection by claiming the black population finally came back to support him because of this case? I don’t know.
But using this kid’s death in this way is deplorable.
Filed under: Scott Creighton, Treyvon Martin Case
I remember 1983 (approximately), an unarmed Black boy was shot to death by a Miami cop.
I remember 1984, when a black motorcyclist, west of Miami, was beaten to death by 2 FHP cops, because he was speeding on his motorcycle.
Rodney King beaten by cops.
Taht 16 eyar old innocent black kid in Houston beaten by cops, even though he had surrendered and was laying face down on the ground with his hands clasped behind his head.
BLACKS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE TREATED LESS THAN HUMAN BY ALL LEVELS OF THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND ANYONE THAT SAYS DIFFERENT IS A BIGOT JIM CROW WHITE SUPREMIST CHRISTIAN NAZI.
Okie dokie
I wonder how many white people have been beaten by cops. I know that I have friends that have been. That does not get reported! I guess that I am “BIGOT JIM CROW WHITE SUPREMIST CHRISTIAN NAZI.” by your standard but I will not allow myself to be judged by your standard. Get real, everything is not about race.
You are a sad, ignorant person.
Is that all you can come up with? I can write you a list that goes on for days of white people beaten raped and murdered by black folks if you want. I bet you my list will be bigger than yours. Up until now it’s been murder is murder and you protect yourself from any threat white brown black striped four legged or otherwise in my book. This case is changing all that you wanna make a big deal out of this when 1 he’s not white, 2 trevons not a 13 yr old, 3 he was the one who came up to zimmerman confrontational the girlfriend and lawyer said he pushed zimmerman then the phone fell. They changed that as of recent of course .Who hires a publicity team to mourn the death of a loved one? It’s not that i’m against blacks in any way if you think so your ignorant no matter what color you are. This is about justice and what’s right! I’m sorry but if you don’t want to be casted a certain way don’t dress the part and don’t for gods sake act the part because somebody might stand up for themselves and somebody who didn’t think they’d get hurt just might. Dont go messing with people no matter what they look like. You don’t think treyvon eyed zimmerman up and judged him as someone he could “teach a lesson to?” someone he could overpower and beat up? let’s not be ignorant or dishonest here. It’s ugly but it’s only getting uglier. We had come so far it’s such a shame to throw it all away. But just like this incident should have been an example of how everyone should BE CAREFUL AND THINK ABOUT THE BATTLES YOU START YOU MIGHT GET MORE THAN YOU EXPECTED!!! YOU MIGHT BE THE WHO ATTACKS AND MIGHT COME READY TO FIGHT YOU MAY SEEM STRONG BUT IF YOU PUT A GUY IN A CORNER HE”S GONNA FIGHT FOR HIS LIFE AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT TACTIC OR WEAPON HE MAY BE CARRYING! I DON”T THINK ANYBODY WANTS IT TO GET THERE! SOO PLEASE STOP PUSHING IT PEOPLE GET OFF THE BAND WAGON AND DO YOUR HOMEWORK THE TRUTH IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE .
Fact: The photos provided by the family the first few weeks were OVER 4 years old.
FACT: Treyvon TOWERED over George Zimmerman. Treyvon was 6’4″ and 180 pounds, Zimmerman 5’8″ and 200 pounds.
FACT: George Zimmerman is NOT White. He is Hispanic and comes from mixed race parents.
FACT: George Zimmerman’s girlfriend of over 10 years is Black and they have 2 predominately Black sons.
FACT: George Zimmerman Mentors Blacks boys at his church.
FACT: George Zimmerman received medical attention BEFORE he was taken into custody. The family attorney says the police video shows no signs of injuries. The truth is he was cleaned up and treated on site BEFORE the video was shot of him arriving at the police station. More inaccuracies being flamed by the media reporting which favors the family.
Fact: Zimmerman said okay stopped and turned back to his car when dispatch told him not to follow.
fact: zimmerman was beaten for over two minutes before reaching for his gun he didn’t just pull it out and shoot.
Fact: they had a neighbor hood watch and they knew the watchman had a gun, IT”S NOT A GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE ! he had every right and reason to watch and protect his neighborhood and himself.
Fact: when martin approached Zimmerman from behind he was confrontational in his approach ready to fight. ” he said “I’m gonna teach you a lesson or something to that effect according to an eye witness” Listen to the interview of the girlfriend from earlier reports when she remembered the story better obviously or wasn’t pressured to change it.
Fact: It doesn’t matter that treyvon was unarmed because he was using his fists as weapons and was able to do some serious damage.
Fact: Zimmerman is crying for help and that’s not fake you can hear the desperation so much so that the martins are trying to turn it around and claim now even though on record they told police it was not their son when they were questioned at the station immediately afterward, that it is now. BLATANT LIES!
Fact: I don’t care what color you are RIGHT IS RIGHT WRONG IS WRONG and we need to be honest people!
Who had the gun? Who was being followed by a paranoid wanna be? Who is dead and unable to defend himself? Who was steps away from his home facing that direction? Treyvon Martin
Who was told to stop the pursuit? Who did not stop as directed by law enforcement? Who is rewriting the story cause their is noone alive to dispute his account? That idoiot human hunter Zimmerman. There is no defense except the one created by racists sick minds. If the colors were reversed teyvon would already be jailed.
PS to whites blacks liberals and conservatives- I am non of these per say-This is not a race issue or a political issue. It is an issue of truth that must be free of bias that all of must see if we are to call ourselves good civilized human beings.
Zimmerman appears to have started it and finished it. I can only hope that Trayvon got a few licks in before he was killed.
Neighborhood watch “officers” aren’t supposed to carry guns and they aren’t supposed to approach “suspicious people” themselves, they are simply supposed to report it(which Zimmerman did many times when various black people were walking down “his” streets in the previous months). He followed Trayvon unil he got what he was apparently looking for-confrontation. Of course opportunists will glom on, thats a given. And “retired” or not, judges, even “magistrates”(I know one myself) can have sway.
You’re making a lot of assumptions.
When they aren’t “supposed” to carry weapons, I would have to see the contract or the bylaws of the deed restricted community he lived in before I made that claim. Apparently he had been doing it for a while and had multiple run-ins with the police, so I have to assume that they would have warned him or told him not to carry if that was the case. I don’t really know but I do know he had 14 hours of community policing training at the police academy and he had a concealed weapons permit so as far as that is concerned, he was within his rights.
When you say “he got what he was looking for” again, that is an assumption. He has no previous history of picking fights with people during his tenure as a community watch volunteer and nothing that I have seen that he has said would leave me to that conclusion. It certainly didn’t sound like he was gunning for anyone in the call to the police and in fact, I remember he was asking the cops to hurry up. That doesn’t sound like someone who wanted to attack anyone, but that as well is just my opinion.
Yes, magistrates “can” have influence, but that doesn’t mean he “did’ have influence. Again, you are making an assumption not based on given facts of this case.
Given the witness who said he SAW Treyvon on top of Zimmerman punching him, the fact that he SAW Zimmerman calling for help, and the audio recording of the person yelling for help which supports the witness’s claim, I find it difficult to fault the prosecutor for his actions or lack thereof.
Would I have shot Treyvon? Of course not. Do I think it’s right that Zimmerman gets off without charges? No. But, the law is the law.
Ask yourself why they haven’t released the coroners report. If that shows he was shot from a downward angle from a good distance, then the MSM and the propagandists pushing this case are right.
BUT… if that shows he was shot from an upward angle (Zimmerman on his back being attacked) and the gunshot is surrounded by power burns (meaning it was up close, like in a fight) then what do they say then? Zimmerman should have taken his beating and been done with it?
We are being manipulated, distracted. This is a typical black ops type destabilization campaign. They don’t always have to create the incident to run these. Sometimes they just take a current event and turn it into something that it isn’t or they highlight aspects of it that weren’t previously known.
The point is, they need the population at each others throats this summer rather than at theirs. And this just happened to fit the bill after they tweaked it a little.
I am tired of Zimmerman hiding behind this “Stand your Ground” law. The fact remains that Treyvon was not breaking any laws that we are aware of. Unless “walking while black” is illegal in Florida. Zimmerman was instructed not to approach, and being the law abiding citizen he is, he chose to ignore the police instructions. They are 2 side 2 a story, and we will never hear Treyvon side. If he did fight with Zimmerman, he had a God given right to fight for his life! In my opinion, Zimmerman needs to be locked away in a psychiatric facility if he is threatened by young black males eating skittles. Sorry, we are here to stay, we aint going no way! We will stand our ground!
THANK YOU FOR USING SOLID, UNDENIABLE FACTS.
To willyloman of course.
the point is a child is dead. he did not tell him he was a watchmen, he did not tell him why he was following him. you yourself would have felt threaten a man following you and he did say who he was. we tell our children to dont talk to strangers. i dont care about the stand your ground bs. he should have never got out his car a followed. he he was going to follow. do in his vehicle. he killed that child. and if you going to be @#$holes and not see. thats bad for you.
That “child” ws 6′-1″ tall, taller than Zimmerman by 4 or 5 inches. He was 17 which is old enough to enlist in the Army with a parent’s consent.
You have no idea what he told Treyvon when he confronted him just a you have no idea what Treyvon said to Zimmerrman.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/17/v-fullstory/2700249/trayvon-martin-shooter-a-habitual.html
The only person who witnessed the fight had this to say…
not just black people sorry to disappoint you
I see Greg has mentioned murders that have nothing in common with the Zimmerman and Martin situation….. this was not a police act… in fact they advised Zimmerman to NOT pursue Martin… they were on their way….. Like Scott reports… Zimmerman was the official ‘Watch’ security at the gated apt complex … he was doing his job …
I thought it was out right murder too until all this info came out…
like Scott says it is tragic.. for both families….. and Zimmerman should be arrested for involuntary manslaughter… it was a tragic confrontation that should never have happened… both young men were at the wrong place at the wrong time and maybe both were in bad moods…
Black men are treated with less respect…(especially poor blacks… and so are poor white men)…. but this is not a race issue….. but it is being turned into one.. why? the best way to destroy a society is to turn it against itself.. divide and conquer…. we need jobs, better schools, more teachers, funds for our public schools, free health care (like Israel and Canada and Britain and other nations have )… we need to end the wars…. and to do we need a president who is for the people ..not for corporate power …
and why do you say this is a “CROW WHITE SUPREMEST CHRISTIAN NAZI” ? Zimmerman was Hispanic and Martin was Black… if this is racist… it is Hispanic vs Black.
And many Blacks are Christian also.. it is not a Christian ‘thing’.
Nice post, but you are a little confused about his getting out of the car. There is no evidence that he pursued Martin after getting out of the car. When the dispatcher suggested (not told) he not follow, Zimmer says ‘o.k’ and then it seems he did: he is no longer out of breath. So yes, he followed but then he stopped.
exactly and treyvon doubled past his step moms house and back around the block to catch him from behind intentionally because he wanted to fight
Interesting article…but I used that image and got blasted by libs on rawstory because supposedly it not him and it’s from stormfront. :-\
Anything that splits the country along classic racial lines enhances the entrenched duopoly (fraud) of the U.S. political system. Obama can play the race card in an election year, and do so without blaming the cops (Zimmerman wasn’t a policeman) or talking about the very real issue of police brutality. Our “peace officers”, are after all, the front line of the hallowed national security state.. As a final thought, look for the republican right to also make hay out of this incident and have their political base reinforced.
oh absolutely they will “make hay” out of this and the fake “New Black Panthers” group is deliberately giving them ammunition for that attack.
I must confess I got swept into believing the official story myself. Make no mistake, I really do believe covert racism is still an enormous issue that absolutely must be dealt with. But right now we really need to focus on the root causes (poverty, vicious competition for survival, war economy, etc.) of this cultural sickness.
Hey Cap, Cap weinburger, i mean, mind if i round off your rough edges?
It’s my understanding that Zemerman had left his vehicle, and was attempting to follow Martin on foot, and, at the same time, was conversing with the 911 dispatch operator, who advised Zimmerman not to follow, and Zimmerman aborted, a n d, all the while, he, Zimmerman lost visual of Martin. Then, as Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle, Martin suddenly appeared abruptly, from Zimmermans left flank, and Martin attacked. Zimmerman didn’t see Martins approach until martin was nearly in Zimmermans face.. Martin got the drop on Zimmerman and Zimmerman went down, on his back, with Martin on top, assaulting Zimmerman, and physically getting the best of Zimmerman which, is substantiated by at least one eye witness.
What im observing with all this inflamitory rhetoric around the country, is, depending on the color of your skin, sabre rattleing.
Right here where i live, in the last week and a half, 7 young black males have been shot and not one behind the trigger was a white boy. Theres the real problem that needs to be delt with. And what have we here heard out of the black community? A protest demanding Zimmermans arrest and threats if he isnt but, not one word about the local issue. Since the weather turned warm, It’s like a fuckin combat zone.
Thanks for puttin this one up Willy. I was hopin you would.
Yeah, that’s pretty much the way I see it as well. It does sound like he was deliberately still looking for Treyvon after the dispatcher told him not to follow him. Notice when the dispatcher asks him for his home address… he was trying to force Zimmerman to go back home. Notice what Zimmerman then said? He said ask the cops to call him on his cell phone. So he may have had no intention of going back home, but according to the one witness interviewed by CNN it did sound like he was heading back to his car when Treyvon said something to him.
And I didn’t find out until just now about Obama’s statement. This fake emotional outcry, combined with all the left cover, left me feeling as if I just got punched in the gut.
Understand the context in which this comment of his was made. He had just been down to Florida and stood side by side with jeb Bush doing what amounted to a promo for charter schools down here. For profit school systems that have been proven to provide substandard education to people of lesser means which usually means people of color.
Look at what happened in Chicago and New York as Arnie Duncan pushed the for profit school systems in those cities. Good public schools were defunded leaving kids to walk through unfamiliar gang territory to attend for profit schools resulting in many assaults and even deaths.
Not a word about that.
I would like to see President Peace Prize do a statement where he talks about the “stop and frisk” policy in place in Brooklyn New York where thousands of inner city kids, black, Hispanic, white… get stopped by cops all day long and frisked just for being whatever color they are and walking down the street.
But you wont hear him talking about those things. No, he would rather lie about what his son would look like… and if you don’t think that is a lie, ever seen his two daughters? Do they look more like Treyvon or that geeky kid from The Fresh Prince of Bel Air?
Definitely the Bel Air kid.
Hell, what you just posted makes it even worth. Obama and people like him don’t even have a taste of the suffering so many poor people, especially those of color, are going through…
* worse rather
The police are PAID, are trained, have badges and uniforms. Even private guards are PAID, should have some training, and have uniforms. When they screw up, which is often, at least the scenario is part of an established narrative. This is very different.
As far as I know this foolishly sanctioned volunteer “vigilante” was just middle class kid who got into a scuffle with a poor kid, and shot him. The residence of the poorly gated community were too cheap to hire and PAY a trained and uniformed guard or cop. So they sent out this volunteer kid with a gun. It is all THEIR fault!
Volunteer police should be called in ONLY in times of adversity or emergency. Not on a regular basis. I do not volunteer for anything on a regular basis! Why shouldn’t I get paid (and perhaps trained and given a uniform)? I am a pathetic sucker if I do that, plain and simple.
At the local hospital, these 90 year old women work for free (“volunteer”) as front desk clerks. The doctors down the hall make about a million dollars a year, but these suckers work there for free. Maybe they get some satisfaction out of what they do, but they are stealing a job from somebody else. I think I’ll sit in a hoodie on Main Street and offer dimes to bankers in Brooks Brothers Suits. I’ll get arrested for that for sure.
Everyone either drew the wrong conclusions from the early reporting or they are just plain confused because the evidence is inconclusive.
What I picked up on mostly was how the nation turned this into a race issue. And that’s what often seems to happen. That is what I focused on. I’ve concluded that this is yet another example of the ruling class and their MSM playing this to keep the people preoccupied with pointing the fingers at each other. Another more positive observation is that Americans do want clarity and justice. And it’s good to know that many do worry that this is an example unfairness towards blacks, not that this is that case here, but that they are concerned about the conditions of black people in the US. Look at the 2008 financial crisis. The hardest on the black community. No matter what becomes of this, blacks are treated unfairly, and the statistics prove that. This case must be allowed to unfold based on evidence, and I really appreciated Scott pointing out how his own thinking has changed based on more information.
I’m not sure about Olbermann. Generally he’s done some interesting reporting. It’s very possible that he took his eye off the ball given that he’s was embroiled in a political battle with his new network.
A new analysis of a 991 call suggests the screams were not Zimmerman.
That same analysis also never stated the screams were Trayvon’s.
That “analysis” was done by a newspaper and it concluded 48% of the results did match Zimmerman which is nearly half.
Aside from the fact that we don’t know if this will hold up in court nor do we know exactly why a paper decided to jump into the criminal investigation racket, we DO know that an eyewitness saw Zimmerman on the ground being attacked and SAW him crying out for help.
Funny you never seem to mention that fact.
48% is not a failing grade like in high school. It simply means that 48% of the tested recording clips did match Zimmerman’s voice.
Remember, in order to get an accurate sampling, they would have to record Zimmerman screaming like he was on the phone, and compare that to the 911 call sample. Otherwise, it won’t match or it will be harder to make an accurate comparison. Need to test his voice under stress in order to compare the two.
But even still, 48% is still half of the samples DID match.
You can listen to the two recordings yourself above in the links in the article. I think it’s Zimmerman and I think it’s pretty obvious.
I listened to both those recordings and re-read the visual account of the ‘fight’…. at that time Zimmerman was wearing a red jacket and Martin had on a grey hoodie? But the screaming recording goes back to a blog site that shows Martin’s old picture of him as a 13 year old , wearing a red pull over (now isn’t that deliberately trying to mix up the facts?)….. since the man who saw the fight , said that the man on bottom was wearing a red top (jacket)….
why can’t they show current pictures of both ?
If ‘they’ want to use Martin for a civil purpose… why not use his untimely death as a war cry against the deliberate poverty set against the 99% of Americans? It would unite us all in a huge drive against the super wealthy that are trying to harness us all like cattle in a slaughter barn…. if our economy had not been shipped over seas and our housing industry had not been slaughtered by these greedy bankers, who knows where these two young men would have been on that fateful night?
All our young (mostly men) dying in our streets and in the forced wars for the benefit of the wealthy defense industry and bankers….. let Martin lead us to an united drive to take back our rights and our jobs, homes, corn oil margarine (corn oil is much better for you than soy bean oil, but they are putting corn oil in your gas now), American rural farmer rights, our own Federal bank (not the privatized one we have now) and to create real equality for all American citizens.
Let’s unite!!!
“to have gotten out there and helped out rather than hiding behind their locked doors calling the cops.”
Woah dude, no. They don’t know what was going on there, the most reasonable thing for them to do is to call the cops which many did. There was a gun between those 2. The situation could have very well been that zimmerman was bloodthirsy and looking for someone to hurt.
Or could have been enraged and would shoot anyone that tried to interfere. You think going out their and adding to his victim list is the smart thing to do.
Really now pardon me but that is a stupid statement. You here someone crying bloody murder and you think “hmm i should go out there”. Not knowing the situation?
You were reasonable throughout the article except for that one statement.
I’m kinda old fashioned in that if I hear someone calling for help and I can respond I will. Got the scars to prove it. I’m just saying of a few neighbors had gone out there maybe it could have disarmed the situation a bit. Maybe not.
If you are old fashion then i guess you need to get with the times (lol jk)
Well then you prove my point. Iam going to assume you must be a tough person. But jumping into a situation where someone might be armed (in this case was armed) is illogical. Now in this specific case they probably wouldn’t have gotten hurt. But then zimmerman could have shot them too and said they were ganging up on him.
I understand your sentiment but it is a dangerous one.
I’m not tough by any measure. I didn’t suggest neighbors jumped into the fight either. But going out there on the phone with the cops may have helped defuse the situation. That’s all I was saying
Ahhh, I see, sorry I misunderstood. That is better. No there is nothing wrong with your post thingie. But personally i wouldn’t have even gone out, I would have peeked out to make sure what was happening, but not venture much.
Hey, i just heard a caller call in to the Dennis Miller talk radio show that stated Zimmerman has been taken into custody. I have not verified that however. Just passing that along.
the entire story is a stupid fucking distraction, it is a tragedy, and i shouldnt waste my fucking time typing this, but the police are not telling the truth, if the he had the shit beaten out of him as has been claimed, he would have gone to the ER on a spine board with a cervical collar around his neck, I deal with this shit like this on a daily basis in the ER, the head is extremely vascular, the guy would have been covered in blood with a nose bleed and laceration to the back of the head, you don’t get “first aid” in the back of a police car, they don’t want the mess or liability, its a distraction while the country is going to hell in a hand basket, and not too mention the obvious cover up in the Afghanistan atrocity, next
Every assault requires a spine board and a collar around the victim’s neck? Come on, you know better than that. People get punched all the time without that kind of response.
Fact is, there is a witness who puts Treyvon on top of Zimmerman with Zimmerman calling out for help.
When this story first came out, there wasn’t even supposed to have been a conflict between the two of them, now everyone readily admits that there was.
Are people saying that Zimmerman didn’t get his ass kicked “enough” to warrant him using his weapon in self defense? I don’t buy that. And until the witness recants or someone matches those pleas for help to Treyvon, I have to go with the relevant facts of the case.
And I agree with you about the distraction aspect of this case.. but there is something else taking shape. Obama, Biden, and now Bill Clinton are all calling for more gun control laws to go into effect.
The FBI is getting involved from what I understand as well. This is not a racial case, at least as far as Zimmerman’s phone call is concerned. He did NOT use racial slurs as was first reported (remember that?). The FBI has no legal jurisdiction UNLESS it was racially motivated so why are they involved? They are involved to suppress evidence and drag the case out for as long as possible and reach a conclusion that will allow the justification of new stricter gun control laws.
Now the video of him arriving at the police station clearly shows two wounds to the back of his head.
Again, this is not to say that Zimmerman should have resorted to shooting Treyvon. I still think that was wrong.
But now we know that there was a struggle, that he did not make racial slurs before following Treyvon, and we know that there are two lacerations to the back of his head. You can plainly see them for yourselves.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/02/trayvon-martin-case-enhan_n_1397022.html
Also, the SECOND ambulance was cancelled by the first meaning, unlike what you claim, he was NOT treated by cops in the back of the squad car, he was treated by the FIRST ambulance at the scene
I think this poster above, (Jack) has just made a statement of relivant fact reguarding the diversion. Not to mention the medical situation.
As I sit here and and read all the comments people say its very, very heartbreaking. We are all the same, we bleed the same, die the same, lie the same, tell the truth thee same etc…etc. One thing people are not understanding is young man is now dead behind a cowardly act. I don’t believe Zimmerman was racist at all, this is coming from a black man who looked at it from all sides. This is a case of a neighborhood watchman not using good judgement with a loaded weapon in his possession. Even if Treyvon attacked Zimmerman , has anyone ever thought that Treyvon was scared for his life also. Who was yelling for help is not a question that hasn’t been answered, where Zimmermans wounds to his nose and the back of his head a reason to shoot a 17 year old ‘No’. How come Zimmerman didn’t fight back if he feared for his life if he didn’t have a gun could he have been a neighborhood watchman. This tells me he did not want Treyvon to get away so he pursued Treyvon who was probably hiding thinking the coast was clear then proceeded home we he seen Zimmerman again asked him ‘What are you following me for”, Zimmerman stated “what are you doing here”, Zimmerman proceeded to hold Treyvon there for the police by pushing him to the ground Treyvon got up punched Zimmereman to the ground jumped on top while yelling “help” while tussling with Zimmerman rolling in the grass, he started to get the best of Zimmerman and he shot him. Who knows at what time did he see that Zimmerman had a gun. The screams for help where for a short time not a few seconds as Zimmerman describes. Zimmerman clams Treyvon punched him to the ground and then jumped on top of him and started smashing his head into the ground while yelling ‘help’ then he shot him. This would have only taken a few second for that event to occur. We all heard during the 911 call the yelling for help was ongoing for some time before the gunshot. Did the police check to see if Treyvons back was wet also hmmm… Zimmerman should be arrested because he killed a kid behind his own actions and not that of a kid walking home from a store.
I agree on mostly all the post. No doubt Zimmerman was wrong by shooting (and to the chest!) but nevertheless, I do no like this whole racism movement that’s cooking. It is a tragedy a 17 yo kid is dead, absolutely, Zimmerman went way too far but by no means I see this case as a racial one. Martin beat him up, but I don’t see why shoot a kid for a few punches in the face, there was obvioulsy a confrontation but since they have never met and it all happened so fast I don’t think Martin could have been that brutal as to be worried for his life! c’mon!! the guy was way to quick to pull the trigger.
I dislike the whole baby faced Martin, the media manipulation, Spike Lee and the hoodie thing. It is a horrendous tragedy and I don’t hink it needs to become something even worse.
I just looked up the accusations that the hoodies sold by the O’bama
administration on the White house website
state “who’s side are you on” Completely false. There is a hoodie for
sale. It says O’bama 2012. There is also hoodies for sale on Romney’s
website. I don’t think this case needs more lies involved. Come on Scott
Creighton
The shirt didn’t say “show who’s side your on” the header at the top of the page said that… till they got a bunch of flack for it… then they pulled it off apparently with the hoodies (as you mentioned in another comment)
here’s a screenshot from the hoodie in question taken from the Obama website
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/hoodie-obama-e1332795652580.jpg
and here’s the actual website.. Obama’s website…
http://store.barackobama.com/collegiate-hooded-sweatshirt.html?source=socnet_20120326_O2_TW_COLLEGE_SWEATSHIRT_MERCH&utm_medium=tw&utm_source=o2_tw&utm_campaign=socnet_20120326_O2_TW_COLLEGE_SWEATSHIRT_MERCH
they didn’t start selling hoodies until AFTER the Treyvon case was big news
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03/good-grief-obama-starts-selling-hoodies-on-website/
don’t come here spamming that bullshit again. You are wasting my time and making Obamaites look desperate. It’s beneath us both
It has not yet been said why Treyvon martin was even near the gated community in the first place. And what were the words he said to Mr. Zimmerman? I feel the boy wasn’t where he should have been and George Zimmerman was only protecting himself. I wish he hadn’t killed the boy but he was scared,and all the time Treyvon was beating George up. I would have used protection too. I hope they set George free. What if a white child would have been shot by a half white man? Would things be different? Yes, We would not hear no more about the story.
They did say….. it was reported that Martin had just left his father’s (and girlfriend) place…. he was on his way home.
From what I understand, Treyvon had been staying at his father’s girlfriend’s place and had gone down to the store to get some skittles and a tea. He was on his way back when this happened. He was certainly within his rights to be there, though what happened after Zimmerman followed him down that alley between the two rows of town-homes is anyone’s guess at this point.
the point is a child is dead. he did not tell him he was a watchmen, he did not tell him why he was following him. you yourself would have felt threaten a man following you and he did say who he was. we tell our children to dont talk to strangers. i dont care about the stand your ground bs. he should have never got out his car a followed. he he was going to follow. do in his vehicle. he killed that child. and if you going to be @#$holes and not see. thats bad for you. And also he didnt pass the police training because of beening metally unstable.