Ron Paul Says Your Kids Have No “Right” to an Education or Equal Opportunities… But His “Fortunate Son” Certainly Did

by Scott Creighton

UPDATE: Go here to see Rand Paul address the senate in favor of killing the EPA so that it won’t harm business… specifically, the coal business who is currently destroying the Kentucky landscape with their mountain-top removal mining process. He is advocating the passage of over 200 more permits for this kind of “mining” which literally destroys the mountains and pollutes the areas around them just so a company, owned by a relatively few wealthy individuals, can exploit the natural resources of his home state and decimate it in the process.

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Ron Paul’s neoliberal Libertarian roots are showing through again. Kinda explains why is son is the poster-child for the new Neoliberal Revolution in the American Tea Party these days.

In an interview with Cenk Uygur, Ron expressed his feelings that if a young kid born of poor parents does well in school and strives to better himself with a higher education, he’s just shit out of luck. He also claims in the same interview that no one has a “right” to medical care… he claims you have to “earn” all of these things.

Ron Paul says you have a right to your life and a right to your property, but apparently he thinks no one has a “right” to equal opportunities here in the good old U.S. of A. I can certainly understand that because if slots in leading universities were handed out on merit alone, Ron Paul’s kid Rand would never have gotten into Duke University.

This is certainly an odd position for a man to take who seemed to think his own son had a “right” to a senate seat (and all the tax-payer supplied perks that come with that job) simply because his daddy was Ron Paul.

But that isn’t the first time Rand benefited from his “rights” as the fortunate son of Ron Paul.

In 1984, while his father as a U.S. congressmen, Rand was accepted at Duke University School of Medicine without having a received a bachelor’s degree.  Rand attended Baylor University for only 2 and a half years.  Baylor is known for catering to children of conservative Texas politicians. This was certainly uncommon for Duke University at the time. Turns out, Congressman Ron Paul also graduated from Duke’s school of medicine.

“At the time he was admitted to our medical school, Duke sometimes did admit students of exceptional abilities. Other professional schools have done that,” said Schoenfeld, noting that Duke now requires its medical students to have bachelor’s degrees.

He did not know when Duke changed its policy.

Ron Paul was a member of Congress when his son was at Baylor and was accepted to Duke. The elder Paul also is a graduate of Duke’s medical school.” Kentucky Mag.

Rand was supposed to have scored in the 90th percentile on his entrance examines, the MCATs. Hardly a score worthy of overlooking his missing bachelor’s degree.

So why did Rand rush over to daddy’s alma matter and hide-out for several years being groomed to become a doctor? According to GQ magazine, that answer might be found in Rand’s behavior at Baylor.

Rand was a member of a group of misfits called the NoZe brotherhood. A bunch of guys running around partying and doing things that seemed to piss off the administration at Baylor so much, they banned the group in 1979 and promised to expel anyone who was discovered to be in it.

Here is a picture of Rand in that group.

The Fortunate Son Senator Rand Paul

To be fair, no one was expelled from Baylor for belonging to NoZe from 1981-1986, from what the GQ magazine article states, but that doesn’t take into consideration how many other NoZe members left along with Rand on their “own accord”.

“So far as anyone knows, Paul’s membership in the NoZe was never found out by Baylor higher-ups and, despite rumors to the contrary floating around Kentucky, his early departure from the university was of his own accord.” GQ

There were clearly rumors that the administration knew of his involvement with the group and maybe even their abduction of a young girl who was on the swim team as well. The more you know about the case, the more you realize that it certainly seemed that Ron Paul, a U.S. congressman at the time, used his position to pull some strings to keep his son from flopping out of life. Now Rand sits in the U.S. senate looking to impose his neoliberal beliefs on the rest of America.  One of those key neoliberal beliefs is that no one has any “right” to an education or preferential treatment in America.

Seems Ron doesn’t feel that way when it comes to his own son. Just yours.

Here’s a little music I would like to dedicate to Ron Paul’s son….

“It ain’t me,

It ain’t me,

I ain’t no Senator’s son, lord no.

It ain’t me,

It ain;t me,

I ain’t no fortunate one, no no.

Some folks are born, silver spoon in hand,

Lord don’t they help themselves.

But when the taxman comes to the door,

Lord it looks like a rumage sale, yeah.

It ain’t me, it ain’t me,

I ain’t no millionaire son, no.

It ain’t me, it ain’t me,

I ain’t no fortunate one, no.”

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18 Responses

  1. Ron’s kids didn’t take government loans, much less grants. In fact, one kid got a full paid scholorship and Ron had him pass it over for someone else to get, because Ron could pay for it, although he isn’t rich the way most Congressmen are. Plus, since he refuses to accept the congressional pension, he will actually have to live off what he has saved.

    Regardless, he didn’t view his son’s education as a ‘right’ but as a benefit he wanted to provide, along with his son working to provide for it as well. He himself worked two jobs to put himself through college.

    It is subsidies that make education so unaffordable, because people aren’t price sensitive.

  2. My brother is a family practice doctor. You don’t have a right to his skills and work. End of story. And this isn’t just some libertarian theory…I’m not even a libertarian! It doesn’t mean we can’t do all sorts of proactive things to help ensure that people get care–but words have meanings. If services become “rights,” there is no end to the ensuing cloud of grey…and it demeans the real “rights” like due process and free speech.

  3. “Plus, since he refuses to accept the congressional pension, he will actually have to live off what he has saved.”

    ahhhhh…. he’s kinda backing away from that pledge now isn’t he? He says his wife in on him about it, so we will see when he finally quits his cushy tax-payer financed job.

  4. Now, I would certainly rather have my tax-payer dollars going toward helping pay for a poor hard-working kid’s college education rather than educating various terrorist organizations on the skillful art of making cars bombs at Harvey Point, wouldn’t you guys?

  5. Hey JKR, you said: “he didn’t view his son’s education as a ‘right’ but as a benefit he wanted to provide, along with his son working to provide for it as well”……. so now it is called a benefit. LOL
    Seems His son benefited by his father being a congessman and a graduate of Duke. The son certainly did not qualify to enter Duke. Guess that entitlement was ‘given’ simply by a father’s power base. That is a benefit that beats a school loan anyday. And he wouldn’t have qualified for a grant.
    Glad he isn’t a practicing doctor; probably had ‘benefited test scores’ also.

  6. Many countries like Israel and others believe that their people have a right to access to health care and some even provide that care across the board to their citizens and even visitors, in case you yourself were to go and get sick while on vacation.

    And with the exception of Israel, free speech is enjoyed by all the people of those countries without the creeping “grey area” you seem to be concerned with.

    People pay LESS money for their health care in those countries than we do per capita and they receive better overall treatment, have higher life expectancy rates, and low infant mortality rates than we do.

    and they still have free speech. so what exactly is your point.

  7. jan, he absolutely ‘qualified to enter Duke’, his test scores were so high he got in on early admission, without even graduating. He wasn’t by any means the only one to do so — who had similar test scores.

    You WANT there to have been favoritism, but other than standard ‘alums’ are legacies, which applies to any educational institution from any graduate parent, there wasn’t any.

    willyloman, a right is a right, and what other countries believe is irrelevant.

  8. i think you might have overstated this one a little, scott. i don’t even like ron paul anymore and i see his statements as fairly equitable. the description of the difference between the world ‘then’ and the world now filled in the blanks.

    the elite and the ‘educated’ have taken over the whole world. there was a time when it was not as important to have a piece of paper signed by some indoctrinator hanging on your wall as it was to be suitable for the position. everything has changed.

    personally, i tend to gravitate toward the self-educated. not the group-indoctrinated who have a right to rule the world.

    private groups that help kids out, schools that offer loans – no problem. i know that it can sound really harsh when you first hear such words from someone, but he is talking about the federal government. the federal government should not have any money to give out. the federal government does not NEED money.

    the problem is not what paul said, but how the world is right now. only the ‘educated’, only the rich, only the elite, only celebrities or other really hot people, only the well-born. no no no no no.

    it is the world that has to be changed and then life would be more equitable all round.

    paul wants to be the administrator. that is exactly what we need. someone who administers the constitution. always and only. THAT would make all the difference in the world. the whole world.

    arcadia

    ps i am backing up ron paul here – not rand paul. that man is unctuous. eewww

  9. But his then and now story doesn’t quite ring true, does it? The story goes about his college education like this… he mowed lawns and saved money for his paper route to pay for the first year of school (undergrad) and then later is reported to have received a “small scholarship” for another year… and yes, he worked while he was in school, but it seems his father helped him out as well. His father owned a successful dairy, so my guess is that his father, like usual, helped Ron pay for his many years of schooling.

    I don’t care that Ron helped his son out… that is what parents are supposed to do.

    But when he claims that poor kids need to “work” to “earn” a college education, they are doing just that. When they get a Pell Grant or a Perkins Loan, it’s given out because of their efforts and their determination to achieving a higher education. It’s not a f*in gift like his son received when he was accepted at the conservative politician friendly Baylor University and like when his son was granted acceptance to Duke’s medical program because it looked like he was about done at Baylor and his daddy was a congressman.

    Now that is where I was going with this. Ron is a blatant hypocrite. What I wanted to say is that yes, an education and medical care is a right for all of us. How different the world would be if we spent half of what we spend on the military that we do today and instead put that money toward educating the kids of this country.

    You see, Ron calls himself a “libertarian” but in reality he is nothing more than a neoliberal. Look up their respective ideologies and you will find they are pretty much the exact same thing.

    and another thing… I have a public school education, and attended two seperate universities. Do I seem that “indoctrinated” to you?

    Education is what you make of it. Yes there is indoctrination, but the way to fix that is to fix the broken system and put people in charge that do not see things the same as what is the status quo today. The way to fix it is not to destroy the public education system, that is what Libertarians want, and actually, it is what neoliberals want… so that they can privatize it and profit from it.

  10. Ultimately it all boils down to this… many kids these days have one shot at getting a higher education, and that is a grant or a loan from the government. These kids work hard and deserve a shot.

    By mistaking something as a “right” or not a “right”, Ron is deliberately muddying the waters, in my opinion. Whether or not one has a “right” to access to a better life is beside the point that it is the right thing to do. And he is a hypocrite because his own son certainly had a great deal of access simply because he was a congressman’s son.

    Oddly enough, what I am talking about is actually more libertarian that what Paul is doing and saying… you see, my way, everyone has the same access to opportunity, and therefore it will be merit that determines ones status, not their lineage. Hard work and determination will be the only limiting factors….

    in short… everyone will have to “earn it” as Ron Paul so eloquently puts it.

  11. When I was in fourth grade, teacher had us stand at the windows of our school and watch them blow the top off Sacramento Hill to go after the copper ore that was underneath.

    And go after it, they did–24 hours a day, 26 days out of every 28. Sacramento Hill was turned into Sacramento Pit–later renamed Lavender Pit, probably because of the color of the ground they uncovered.

    That pit created a lot of jobs for a lot of people. My dad was one of them. When I came out of the Army, I got work there, too–for a while.

    Then, suddenly, they ran out of ore, packed up, left, and left a big hole in the ground. It’s a ‘tourist attraction’ now.

    I went back there for a visit 4 years ago–first time back there in many years. Couldn’t hardly stand the smell of the place. Smelled like the piss bucket in the overcrowded Mexican jail Graham Greene wrote about.

    I never even noticed that smell while I was growing up there.

    r ap

  12. This website keeps getting funnier and funnier — not on purpose though (unless Scott Creighton sees himself as emulating The Onion). Kind of sad, since there are actually some interesting ideas here that deserve to be circulated.

    Rand Paul the “poster child” of the Tea Party (the original tea party having been pro-9/11 truth and anti-central banking, but later taken over by the power elites — which poured in huge amounts of money from mysterious sources — into a front for the Republican Party)! Gee, I though neocon warmonger Sarah Palin was its poster child. Silly me.

    Ron Paul’s “libertarian roots are [not] showing up again.” Throughout his political career he’s always been a libertarian. He even gave up his U.S. House seat in ’86 to be the Libertarian Party nominee for president. (Though now he realizes that the LP is a waste of time.)

    Yes, people are not entitled to other people’s property. Anything otherwise is theft. What we do suffer from in this increasingly authoritarian regime — which Creighton hopes become far more authoritarian — is the cartelization of healthcare through licensing laws, education accreditation laws, patent laws, ad nauseum which deliberately keep the cost of healthcare and education high. All for the purpose of protecting a politically well-connected power elite, under the rhetorical cover of “protecting the public.”

    Consequently, the government-granted AMA monopoly doesn’t authorize any more medical schools places than it did about 90 years ago, when it first arranged its coercive cartel with the crooks (what else is there?) in the government. This guarantees physicians upper middle class incomes no matter how mediocre they may be. And it makes it next to impossible to enter such professions for people without many years of expensive government-accredited schooling.

    (Contrast that to the time when health professionals were apprenticed or certified through private organizations with no control over the practice of healthcare. Of course back then doctors weren’t guaranteed affluence — until the AMA used its connections with the central banking elite to cut itself monopoly control. This was repeated with the ADA ad nauseum.)

    And of course unconstitutional federal college loans have sent the cost of such educations through the roof — a happy result for families rich enough to send their children for healthcare and for the power elites who run the government-privileged universities.

    Typically, Creighton seems to think the government-accredited and -funded (even when it’s just “research grants”) universities are swell, even though they’re the bedrock of power elite control over our society and, as you would expect in compliance with their masters, have utterly failed to expose the nature of 9/11, “climate change,” and the rottenness of power elite-promoted health recommendations (e.g. vaccinations, fluoridation, restrictions on raw milk, and low-fat diets).

    Uh oh, Creighton insinuates without evidence, Ron Paul — the only real outsider in Congress — must’ve engaged in some political hanky panky because his son went to Duke Medical School without having first completed his bachelor’s degree (how terrible he might have missed some of those wonderful college classes where students have to recite back what their flaky professors think about Hegel or the novels of Alice Walker). In fact, that used to be common, though now the AMA has more recently closed that option lest too many un-rich students find their way to the government-controlled profession of medicine.

    Was Rand Paul privileged by the notoriously “liberal” (i.e. center-left) Duke administration? If he was, it was most likely that, without any prompting, Duke noticed his father was an alumni of the medical school plus a sitting member of the U.S. Congress. But Creighton desperately tries to make the Pauls look sinister, as though this was the war-criminal Senior Bush putting his war-criminal-to-be son in the front of the line to be in the Coast Guard.

    Oh no! Randall Paul was a college prankster. Creighton is shocked. One must be all decorum when it comes to getting a government-accredited college degree.

    I love this line: “Now Rand sits in the U.S. senate looking to impose his neoliberal [libertarian, since Creighton wants to confuse his readers by deemphasizing that the Pauls are for freedom, whereas neoliberal sounds murky] beliefs on the rest of America.” Of course libertarianism is all about stopping the government from imposing itself on people. How is making people freer an imposition? Why isn’t Creighton more embarrassed by his own nonsense?

    Now, you might think, what with the Islamic masses beginning to seriously rebel against the U.S. empire, the vast waste of money on U.S./NATO/Israeli wars of aggression (along with the thousand-plus U.S. military bases imposing hegemony throughout the world on behalf of the power elites), or the profoundly evil government-imposed banking and monetary systems — all the while the government-tyrannized taxpayers are forced to “bail out” these criminals — would give Creighton something to worry about.

    But, no, Creighton wants to spend time making petty insinuations about a so-far ineffective member of Congress. Why?

    Since Creighton likes to speculate wildly, I’ll speculate less wildly. Creighton was hoping that 9/11 and Great Depression II would drive millions to the Left, in favor of even more controlling government and higher taxes. (Apparently the government does things so well — like blow up the WTC — that we deserve to have a whole lot more of it. Especially since Creighton preposterously assumes, as do all socialists, that people like himself will be in charge of the new, expanded regime.)

    But it isn’t working out the way he hoped. Instead, millions are waking to the fact that our problems come out of the fact that government is way too big. People like Ron Paul and Alex Jones — and I don’t contend that anybody is perfect — have played a huge role in beginning to wake up the masses. Even the “antiwar” movement of the Left has bowed out now that a center-left Democrat has the presidency.

    So what does Creighton do? He attacks the leaders for freedom — they’re stealing the thunder he’d been hoping would go to leftist totalitarians. Very sad for him.

    Too bad Creighton can’t focus on 9/11 or the U.S. war machine, areas where he has something useful to say. But he knows which way the wind is starting to blow, and it ain’t in the authoritarian collectivist direction he’d been dreaming of.

  13. I don’t even know where to start with that diatribe.

    Funny how you chastise the fake Tea Party of Sarah Palin while pretending no one here knows that Rand is leading up the Tea Party caucus in the senate or how many rallies he attended during his campaign. Also funny how you guys always complain that it’s “big government” that is killing this country while talking about 9/11 and the banking WMDs. Here’s a bit of a news flash for you, if banks and financial institutions were not in bed with the government (fascism, BTW, not socialism) making business easier for the owners and stock holders, doing their best to REDUCE the SIZE OF GOVERNMENT at the expense of the workers, consumers, and citizens, then most of the problems we have with this country would not be here and government would be considerably smaller.

    Get it? Also funny how you claim that Sarah isn’t the “real” Tea Party” yet you and she both make the same claim, that “big government” is the big problem.

    Also, since we are on the subject, yes it is horribly hypocritical of Ron Paul to basically say that everyone should go out there and get their education themselves with no assistance from the government while his own son OBVIOUSLY got his education BECAUSE his father was IN the government…

    Look, I know you libertarians like the idea of killing the Department of Education in favor of privatizing it. I am sure you think it will work out just fine giving the kids of America the exact same kind of for profit education system that Agusto Pinochet set up in his corrupt country. but the kids of that country eventually revolted against it, because it didn’t work, and they will here to in time. But not before many futures are ruined and more billionaires steal money from our tax dollars (which is where that money will be still coming from, bTW)

    Yeah it is too bad isn’t it? Great were the days when Truth advocates just focused on CD or put options, and we didn’t spend much time thinking about the connection between 9/11 and the economic ideology of those behind it. Because, quite frankly, they are very similar to the libertarian ideologies, aren’t they? But, they are similar to the New Dems, and the Blue Dogs, and the Neocons… I guess that is why they call it the Washington CONSENSUS.

    (oh, and just for the record, Ron Paul stopped running as a libertarian party member because he found it easier to be elected as a republican.)

    and as far as which way the wind is blowing, have you had a look at Wisconsin lately? How about all those signs about neoliberalism you see popping up in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, and Europe these days? Seen those? You tell me which way the wind is blowing… is it blowing with the Tea Party’s Scott Walker or with the Wobblies?

    Let me see, “big government”… the scary “big government” threat… now where do I remember that one… oh yeah, that was the call to action of a little group of business owners (by the way, how much money did the Koch brothers shovel to Scott Walker’s campaign via the Tea Party?) that got together in 1933 and tried to overthrow the elected government of the United States… they were called what? … Oh yeah, the American LIBERTY League. They wanted smaller, business friendly government to didn’t they. They wanted no education they wanted no taxes on the rich, they wanted to bust up the unions.. and they also wanted to install a fascist dictator in America.

    those were the good old days, huh? trying to nip that big government in the bud that helped build the strongest middle class and industry in the world. Trying to kill off that largest fiscal growth of US working citizens in history… and they have done it, haven’t they? Now they just got to kill off the EPA and the SEC and anything else that threatens their big growth… and then they can have even more of the pie while 90% of Americans just settle for keeping their little 10 dollar an hour wage til they are 80 years old and can’t work for big business anymore.

    See that? beautiful right? the fixed, bought and paid for, hijacked, rigged market will provide, right? simplicity itself. corruption will never pay off because the GodBlessAmerica market will correct itself. except of course, it doesn’t, it’s rigged, it’s not real, and all the benefits that Ron Paul is supposed to stand for for the Market, are actually going to support a corrupt and broken system… and he damn well knows it.

    You think he is an “outsider”? Outsiders get railroaded out of office. History is littered with them. Yet Ron just keeps rolling right along with his fiscal philosophies that look more and more like Hilary Clinton’s every single day.

    Let me see him filibuster a military spending bill or the renewal of the Patriot Act. But no, just like Obama, he keeps running his mouth about it, shoving his kids into office, and cashing the checks…

    and you think I live in a fantasy world?

  14. and just as a matter of fact, I covered both neoliberalism and 9/11 today on my site, so I am still doing what I started out doing.

    One of these days, I hope you Paulites come to the same understanding that many of us Dennis Kucinich supporters did when he turned his back on our ideals like Ron did when he denied 9/11 Truth on national tv… I kinda hope you guys give up the hero worship like we did and come to figure out that we have more in common with each other than we do with ANY representative who makes money and positions for his children by PRETENDING to represent us.

    just a thought.

  15. Totally unbelieveable! 1. Creighton thinks others should be given College opportunities without having to work for them 2. Rand Paul is so terrible because he worked his way thru college! 3. Creighton then gets upset because of the WAY Rand Paul worked his way thru college. Millions of people work their way thru college every year. There are all types of programs available to provide assistance to those that cannot pay, providing they have the grades to qualify. The system works. When an education becomes free to all, it will not be worth obtaining.

  16. actually, that is not at all what I said. making college LOANS available to students is what I advocate, IF they do the WORK and achieve the grades to qualify.

    The wealth or lack there of of their parents should never be the sole deciding factor as to their educational opportunity in this country. And that is EXACTLY what Ron Paul is advocating.

  17. Whoa, we really touched a sore spot. You might think, with all the troubles caused by U.S. imperialism and government-created credit and monetary fraud, that Creighton would be concerned with John Boehner, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Mitch McConnell, and many others who make this evil system work. But no, Creighton’s all in a lather about quite possibly the least influential member of Congress within Congress. (Uninfluential because he opposes what otherwise drives politicians, namely increasing the power they have over the captive citizenry.)

    Of course the reason is because, outsider though he is in Congress and “the Beltway,” Ron Paul is having a rising influence on the grassroots, much of which is starting to wake up to the evil imposed on them and the world by the massive federal regime. To Creighton, this is very bad news, because he was counting on the Internet revolution, the rapid expansion of the U.S./NATO empire, and Great Depression 2 to propell people toward even more government control over their lives. After all, if the federal regime can pull off 9/11 and get the massive Mockingbird media to play its tune, while the Republicrats play along in tandem, it just goes to show how we need even more of it!

    “Funny how you chastise the fake Tea Party of Sarah Palin while pretending no one here knows that Rand is leading up the Tea Party caucus in the senate or how many rallies he attended during his campaign.”

    Rand Paul is trying to get tea party officials to help cut the size of government. Aren’t legislators supposed to work with other legislators? What a weird comment.

    But the big face of the tea party as put out by the Mockingbirders is Sarah Palin. Why not? Despite her antigovernment rhetoric — the same baloney Ronald Reagan specialized in while he was expanding the federal regime faster than Jimmy Carter — it never gets specific, while she promotes ever more illegal invasions and occupations and more of the counterproductive and unconstitutional war on drugs not authorized by the medical and Big Pharma cartels.

    Oh no! Rand Paul went to a lot of rallies while he was running for the Senate. Can’t have that. (Silly me, I thought that’s what campaigners were supposed to do.)

    By the way, Ron Paul knows better than to waste time with the phony tea partiers (since the original incipient movement was destroyed by power elite funds and its operatives). But it’s hardly noteworthy that Rand Paul is seeking allies in the Senate, even if it never comes to fruition.

    “Also funny how you guys always complain that it’s ‘big government’ that is killing this country while talking about 9/11 and the banking WMDs. Here’s a bit of a news flash for you, if banks and financial institutions were not in bed with the government (fascism, BTW, not socialism) making business easier for the owners and stock holders, doing their best to REDUCE the SIZE OF GOVERNMENT at the expense of the workers, consumers, and citizens, then most of the problems we have with this country would not be here and government would be considerably smaller.”

    Even many leftist historians (e.g. Gabriel Kolko and Grant McConnell) recognize that “progressive”/”liberal” reform operates to advance the power elites, including the largest corporations. One of the primary functions of the federal reserve is to preserve the four largest banks (which will always be bailed out when threatened, inspiring the disingenuous phrase, “too big to fail”), which makes it convenient for them to buy out smaller banks which fail. (E.g. enabling Chase to buy up Washington Mutual in the government’s Federal Reserve Board-created banking crisis a couple years ago.) The biggest corporations likewise support union-privileging laws, knowing that keeps down rising companies. Ad nauseum.

    “Get it? Also funny how you claim that Sarah isn’t the ‘real’ Tea Party’ yet you and she both make the same claim, that ‘big government’ is the big problem.”

    That’s how she became the poster child of the phony neo-tea party. Of course she’s just another liar in the Reagan tradition.

    “Also, since we are on the subject, yes it is horribly hypocritical of Ron Paul to basically say that everyone should go out there and get their education themselves with no assistance from the government while his own son OBVIOUSLY got his education BECAUSE his father was IN the government…”

    It’s not obvious to anyone but you. Yes, his father was a Duke Medical School graduate, and countless universities take such alumni status into account in their admissions. But you still haven’t produced an iota of evidence, as though it was somehow a big deal anyway. But I guess the idea is that a lot of people are converting to freedom, and any petty, undocumented accusation you can render against the central political leader for freedom in the U.S. is grist for your tottering mill.

    “Look, I know you libertarians like the idea of killing the Department of Education in favor of privatizing it. I am sure you think it will work out just fine giving the kids of America the exact same kind of for profit education system that Agusto Pinochet set up in his corrupt country. but the kids of that country eventually revolted against it, because it didn’t work, and they will here to in time. But not before many futures are ruined and more billionaires steal money from our tax dollars (which is where that money will be still coming from, bTW)”

    Serious libertarians don’t want to privatize the unconstitutional federal Department of Education. They want repeal it and defund it. Indeed, as a policy matter, government has no business whatsoever instituting or otherwise being involved with education.

    The “voucher” business is just mercantilism gussied up to sound efficient or quasi-libertarian or something. Fortunately, voucherism — which would mainly serve to destroy what remains of private education — is no longer under serious discussion by much of anybody.

    “Yeah it is too bad isn’t it? Great were the days when Truth advocates just focused on CD or put options, and we didn’t spend much time thinking about the connection between 9/11 and the economic ideology of those behind it. Because, quite frankly, they are very similar to the libertarian ideologies, aren’t they? But, they are similar to the New Dems, and the Blue Dogs, and the Neocons… I guess that is why they call it the Washington CONSENSUS.”

    Oh, I get it. Individual freedom is what made the government destroy the WTC and invade all those foreign countries, on top of the 1,000-plus military bases the U.S. already had in over 140 countries! It looked like government, but that was only a cover for libertarians!

    That’s why Ron Paul wants to remove U.S. troops from Iraq and Afghanistan immediately (“We marched right in, and we can march right out.”): He’s just trying to fool everybody!

    “(oh, and just for the record, Ron Paul stopped running as a libertarian party member because he found it easier to be elected as a republican.)”

    Historically, third parties never get anywhere unless they replace one of the major parties in their first decade. (E.g. the U.K. Labour Party effectively replaced the Liberal Party; the U.S. Republican Party completely replaced the Whig Party.) Why should Paul waste his time with an entity that’s going nowhere electorally?

    “and as far as which way the wind is blowing, have you had a look at Wisconsin lately? How about all those signs about neoliberalism you see popping up in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, and Europe these days? Seen those? You tell me which way the wind is blowing… is it blowing with the Tea Party’s Scott Walker or with the Wobblies?”

    You’re confusing a lot of things together. The movement for freedom — though it isn’t ready to manifest itself yet electorally — is steadily growing in the U.S. and other Western nations.

    Wisconsin? I don’t know what the voters there are thinking, but there’s nothing libertarian about its governor. It’s just forces of coercion vying for power:

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block173.html

    Rising rebellion in the Middle East? There’s no tradition of freedom there, but the people are starting to rise up against governments imposed on them by imperial powers. There’s nothing leftist about that — it’s about nationalism and Islamic independence, with the enhanced diversity in the world which that ultimately implies:

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/gabb7.1.1.html

    “Let me see, ‘big government’… the scary ‘big government’ threat… now where do I remember that one… oh yeah, that was the call to action of a little group of business owners (by the way, how much money did the Koch brothers shovel to Scott Walker’s campaign via the Tea Party?) that got together in 1933 and tried to overthrow the elected government of the United States… they were called what? … Oh yeah, the American LIBERTY League. They wanted smaller, business friendly government to didn’t they. They wanted no education they wanted no taxes on the rich, they wanted to bust up the unions.. and they also wanted to install a fascist dictator in America.”

    Huh? The Koches, archenemies of Ron Paul? And the power elitists who tried to overthrown the regime in 1933 — the same guys who’d already worked so hard to destroy freedom for the benefit of politically connected corporatists?

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/81581.html

    “those were the good old days, huh? trying to nip that big government in the bud that helped build the strongest middle class and industry in the world. Trying to kill off that largest fiscal growth of US working citizens in history… and they have done it, haven’t they? Now they just got to kill off the EPA and the SEC and anything else that threatens their big growth… and then they can have even more of the pie while 90% of Americans just settle for keeping their little 10 dollar an hour wage til they are 80 years old and can’t work for big business anymore.”

    The power elites love Big Government. But that’s traditional socialist rhetoric, pretending that Big Government is for the Little Guy.

    “See that? beautiful right? the fixed, bought and paid for, hijacked, rigged market will provide, right? simplicity itself. corruption will never pay off because the GodBlessAmerica market will correct itself. except of course, it doesn’t, it’s rigged, it’s not real, and all the benefits that Ron Paul is supposed to stand for for the Market, are actually going to support a corrupt and broken system… and he damn well knows it.”

    Free markets by definition are systemically rigged. That’s what the GodBlessAmerica FEC, Federal Reserve, and other GodBlessed coercive agencies of the thieving, imperialist, murderous federal (often helped along with state) agencies do, abetted by the sociopathic criminal class of politicians.

    “You think he is an ‘outsider’? Outsiders get railroaded out of office. History is littered with them. Yet Ron just keeps rolling right along with his fiscal philosophies that look more and more like Hilary Clinton’s every single day.”

    Ron Paul and Hilary Clinton, every single day? No evidence, of course: But hopefully some people reading here will believe this baloney.

    “Let me see him filibuster a military spending bill or the renewal of the Patriot Act. But no, just like Obama, he keeps running his mouth about it, shoving his kids into office, and cashing the checks…
    and you think I live in a fantasy world?”

    Filibusters virtually never happen in the House of Representatives, given the ease of cutting off debate. Speaking time is strictly limited. Didn’t you know that?

    I never used the phrase “fantasy world”. Perhaps you just feel guilt for talking about the world as one.

  18. wrote something for ya today. thought you might like it. you know, I like focusing on Ron and Randie, they don’t get nearly the attention they deserve. I’ll do my part though. every post I write gets put up automatically on several different news sites, linked in you know? so, enjoy. love it when you stop by.

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