by Scott Creighton
In every crisis, real or manufactured, there is… opportunity.
Contrary to Julian Assange’s assessment, the current wave of pro-democracy movements in the Middle East (recently called a “virus” by John McCain) was not created by the CIA honeypot called Wikileaks. Nor, as the one-time Lyndon LaRouche follower Webster Tarpley has put it, was it all a CIA destabilization plan. There are causes that track back to the United States, English banks, and Wall Street which mainly deal with accelerating food prices due to rampant speculation, a global wave of unemployment due to a planned demolition of the global economy, and the despotic dictatorial rule by U.S. and British friendly puppet regimes, so yes, you can trace the roots of these outbreaks back to the global interests the CIA serves.
But these uprisings are mainly in countries that already serve our “national interests” ie our banks and multi-national corporations and many of them are critically important to ongoing venture capital programs like Egypt (Suez Canal) and Yemen (Hunt Oil Pipeline) for starters.
So why lite those fires when the outcome is uncertain at best?
C.I.A. destabilization plans are used in countries that are not already friendly to our interests (see above) such as Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, and of course… Iran. The differences between the real revolutions and the fake ones are very important. We cannot forget.
… the struggle against power “is the struggle of memory against forgetting.” Milan Kundera
The contagion of the sub-prime housing bubble and derivatives scam was deliberately spread through-out Western Europe by banks closely connected with the White House and the Royal family of England (Goldman Sachs, Bank of England). The purpose was to create the pretext for decimating the social safety net created in Europe after WWII. Privatization and open markets were too tempting to resist and so the plan was to neoliberalize all of Western Europe at the same time they planned to achieve that goal here in the U.S. The global crisis was also felt in other nations naturally like those which are already subject to our “free market” IMF system of controls, but they weren’t necessarily the intended targets. Poverty and massive levels of corruption was already rampant in these Middle Eastern client states but they were also already firmly under the thumb of the globalist interests.
Now you add the devastating effects of the out of control food price speculators on Wall Street, who are busy setting up the next bubble to burst, and what you have is basically a “perfect storm” if you will of revolution: out of work people, starving, being robbed and oppressed without mercy. When you leave a people desperately hopeless, they will endeavour to make their own.
(Let’s not forget that the first of these uprising didn’t happen in Tunisia but rather in Western Europe; Greece, Ireland, Iceland, Germany, Great Britan, and Spain have all seen major demonstrations and violence on the streets. These were ligitimate reactions to this global crisis and no one dared call these CIA ops.)
Prior to all of this, Sec. of State Clinton did a sweeping tour of many of our client states in the Middle East, just a couple of months before Tunisia’s uprising.
During this tour she was reportedly trying to warn our puppets that this “perfect storm” was brewing and she was trying to give them advise on how to avoid it. In Jordan for instance, they started a program of handing money over to the poor and those who were out of work and also promising them educational benefits when things “turned around”. That didn’t work. The King of Jordan had to eventually fire the entire government as well and protests are still happening there now as we speak.
Don’t confuse foresight with intent. Just because these globalists could see this problem building up does not mean they created it on purpose. To do so undermines the legitimacy not only of the efforts and the courage of the people who are literally risking their lives to achieve a better standard of living for themselves and their families as well as a hopeful future, but it also undermines what we already know about the CIA and various globalist organizations and the countries that they run.
This is why Assange and Tarpley both serve the same interests when they present faulty conclusions such as they have.
To prove my point, let’s take a look at what is happening in Iran.
Unlike Tunisia and Egypt, Bahrain and Yemen… what is happening in Iran is being given top-notch, prime-time MSM coverage all across the political spectrum, from Little Green Footballs to Huffington Post, from Fox News to CNN. And at best we are talking about “protests” involving at most “a couple thousand” people. Why is it that such a small number of protesters are being given so much attention by the corporate media here in the states?
Take for instance the Huffington Post’s story on these protests. They go so far as to make the claim that “hundreds of thousands” are rallying against the Iranian government but with only a link to a story showing people in a demostration for solidarity with the Egyptian people as proof. When a million met in Tehran to show solidarity with the U.S. after 9/11, where they opposing their own government? Of course not. This is where an understanding of history is vitally important. Also look at the photos they have to show for these “protests” and compare them to what we have all seen in Egypt.
Twelve 30-somethings, throwing rocks at no one, deliberately photographed at a low tight angle so that their miniscule numbers would not be obvious. Also look at the picture and the people walking down the street paying these guys no attention. Does that seem like a life and death struggle being waged all across the neighborhood to you?
Huffington Post’s new AOL ties are showing at the seams. This is their front-page photo right now. And it’s a staged globalist lie designed to help create a pretext for yet another undemocratic regime change. Would you expect anything else from HuffPo these days?
Also look at how Hillary Clinton is talking about these protests and compare that to what she said about Tunisia and especially Egypt.
When the pro-democracy demonstrations were at their height in Egypt, Clinton was still on the side of the dictator Mubarak, claiming that we couldn’t dictate who lead that country and that we had to help a slow process of change. She stood with Mubarak right up until he was finally forced to leave by the millions and millions of people protesting all across Egypt.
In contrast, Clinton is already calling for regime change in Iran while about a thousand pro-business thugs are running around Iran attacking anything they can.
The other day there was a public gathering of people to show support for the people of Egypt. It was supported by the government in Iran and in fact encouraged. While Clinton and Obama stood with Mubarak, Iran’s government took the bold step of standing with the people of Egypt, something that Hillary herself has to admit almost daily.
Just like after 9/11 when a million people showed up in Tehran to show their support for us, so too did they last week in order to show support for the Egyptian people. But the globalists and their corporate backed NGOs saw this as an opportunity to relaunch their destabilization efforts under the cover of real pro-democracy movements in the rest of the Middle East. So they did.
They sent in their little pro-business middle management wanna-bees, people who fully expect to profit from the moment the IMF and our privatization plans are enacted in Iran, and they staged little confrontations and protests, thus hijacking what was a peaceful, pro-government, pro-democracy in Egypt demonstration.
This is how they think.
So the media immediately, as if on cue, went with the story line (amazingly shared by all the media as if it were written by someone else) that the massive demonstrations were “protests” against the current regime in Iran. That is a lie. Period. Just like back when the Green Revolution first took place after the election, the MSM tried to lie and say that the election had been stolen when in fact, it had not. Multiple outside organizations observed the elections in Iran that year and each one of them determined they had been fair.
The people of Iran like their current system. They like the fact that their president stands up to the U.S. and Israel. They like the fact that the IMF and World Bank don’t own their country. This is what makes it difficult to destabilise Iran. Next to impossible really.
That is why the people running this sideshow know that they will not be able to move enough people in Iran to their side to affect the same change that we are seeing in Egypt, Tunisia, Bahrain, and Yemen. They don’t expect that to happen at all.
So why are they doing it?
They believe that they can use the public sympathies with the real revolutions to justify forced regime change in Iran just so long as they can create the illusion that these things are one and the same.
They clearly are not.
How do I know this? I just watched a video of the Young Turk interviewing a well-known neo-con Frank Gaffney. The Turk has clearly been fooled by all of this and he is a prime example of what I am talking about, having erroneously mapped the courage of the poor people in Egypt right on top of the cowardly business-first weasels running around in Iran attacking police and anyone else who disagrees with their plans to bring back the Shah (an example of that is a video of these “protesters” attacking another Iranian who took exception to their banner calling for the murder of their president).
The Young Turk was trying to suggest that we should let the uprising in Iran work itself out, and he actually proudly showed U.S. government Tweets calling for regime change as the “right way” to do it. Believe it or not, he called out Obama for cutting funding to some of these “pro-democracy” think-tank/NGOs which work exclusively with the CIA to destabilise otherwise decent democracies, all for the good of our “national interests” (see above).
The Young Turk certainly misses the boat on this one but at least he went on to press Gaffney on whether or not we should use military might to aid these fake protesters. Gaffney stated that “if” the protests aren’t successful, then we should assist them militarily because as we all know, Iran is planning to take the nuclear weapon they don’t have and put it on a “tramp steamer” and float it over here so they can take out Miami, or some other such non-sense.
As ridiculous as Gaffney’s argument sounds, it wouldn’t even get off the ground were it not for the Young Turk’s misunderstanding of what was happening in Iran. And that is the real danger here. That is the danger of not knowing the difference between a real movement, a real uprising, borne of desperation and the yearning for self-determination… and a fake color revolution, bought and paid for by U.S. business interests.
As Bill Moyers just recently said “It is a sad world that exists only in the present, unaware of the long procession that brought us here.” We in the dissent community, those of us who refuse to accept the status quo of information strictly because someone says so, we must work to remember the history that brought us here in spite of concerted efforts and the pleasant fiction of forgetting.
That is the harm of what people like Assange and Tarpley are doing. By clouding the issues, by misrepresenting the histories of these revolutions, they are deliberately muddying the waters so that people can’t discern one thing from the other. This is part of the deceptions of war and probably the most important part. They will never succeed in turning enough people in Iran against their government. They know that. That is exactly what Gaffney was saying on the Young Turk. So the objective is not destabilization in Iran but rather destabilization here in the states among those very same people who stand opposed to the illegal invasion of Iran.
Revolution in Egypt and Iran; one is real, the other is not. The differences are important to understand.
Filed under: Burson-Marsteller, CIA are the Real Terrorists, Disinfo, Egyptian Revolution, Global Free Market Wars, Globalist Clinton Scum, Globalist Skank Watch, Hugo Chavez, Iranian Election Propaganda, Riots in Greece, Run-Up to War, Scott Creighton, The So-Called PIIGS, Tunisian Revolution, War on Yemen, war with Iran, Wikileaks CIA Honeypot

Glad you called this fake revolution out…..
good article.
What is it about these scripted narratives….
On the car radio last night I heard bits of an interview (npr?) that sounded a little too melodramatic, supposedly giving eyewitness account of police beating brave protesters in Tehran. Now I can’t find the source but I see the same story all over the internet…about this “petite young girl with a green wristband and a small backpack” who gets “charged from behind” (3 on 1, the cowardly bastards!) and beaten “relentlessly.” “….She screamed and fell to the ground, but the guards kept hitting her.”
not just a girl, but a young girl, with a green wristband and backpack, and of course…PETITE!!!
Its the Neda narrative all over again.
Whenever I read or hear something like that, I immediately drift back to that story of the babies being thrown out of incubators in Kuwait, as recounted by the ambassador’s daughter.
These stories they come up with are about as subtle as a Pepsi commercial, and I guess the reason for that is they are being written by the same no-talent flunkie suck-ups who go into advertising/PR careers.
- the struggle of memory against forgetting -
Reports on this morning’s radio (BBC) saying everyday Egyptian people are calling for protesters to go home now, let the mess get cleaned up, traffic moving, etc. Like, give whoever a chance to get things sorted out. Like, it’s going to take time–shit like that.
Time? Like, time to make the new boss just like the old boss?
Well, they asked one of the protesters what he thought. He said he was ready to go home yesterday, but today he’s decided to stay.
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Wicked article, bro. I hate it when the Western media tries to equate the Egyptian and Tunisian revolution with the Green Movement. I’m sure you know this, but a majority of Iranians are very suspicious of the Greenies, and support crackdowns on them.
Oh, and I saw the video of the Green thugs beating an innocent man, nearly if not fully to death. You should post it, it really shows you what these ‘liberals’ think of free speech and opposing opinions.
Nicely put, Scott. Honestly, sometimes this site is so interesting and enlightening, I wonder if it is a CIA honeypot itself
A super, super-efficient Wikileaks!
*paranoid*
Well, It looks like I kinda struck out entertaining the lame Webster Tarpley theory about the Western Empire being behind the Egyptian revolt. I don’t think his little theory, unlike the Spookyleaks disinfo, had any negative effects. At this point, it looks like the old isolationist buzzard just rushed headlong into a dead-end analysis. Maybe for a while he was offering some good analyses, but this one just didn’t add up.
I am doubtful that the decidedly tame popular revolt, presumably sparked by increasing poverty and hunger, and protected by the military, had a decisive impact on what eventually transpired.
I thing the Egyptian Military simply decided that it could no longer afford the economic rapaciousness of Mubarak, his family, and henchmen. Various estimates of their wealth hover around $70 billion, and the dictator has even been deemed by some to be the richest person on earth:
The vast holdings and other assets of the military system were becoming seriously threatened:
So Egypt’s Supreme Military Council and its mid-level officer corps must have been most displeased as their forces were being bled dry. Defense Minister Field Marshal Mohamed Tantawi was under immense pressure, if we believe some cables from Spookyleaks:
The (at least produtional) economies of the (modified isolationist) Eastern Alliance, China, Iran (and Russia, if it can back off on vodka consumption), etc. are in a general ascendancy, while those of the Western Alliance (the U.S., the EU, etc.) are in decline. And, of course, these alliances are in intense contention for influence in the Middle East and Eastern Europe. This would indicate that there will not be any revolts in places such as Iran, but there might be in places like the Saudi Arabian nightmare state.
As Frances noted, your analysis here is suspiciously dead on. As you point out I haven’t seen anything, anywhere else that pins down the deceptions like your article does. However, your failure to misdirect in addition to drawing flies makes it unqualifed to function as a CIA honeypot should. Sorry to say.
Those of us familiar with the history and mechanisms used in destabilization can reasonably surmise that Tunisia, Egypt and others already under IMF direction were not instigated by NED/CIA type operations, the “jackals” as John Perkins calls them. Those operations would have clearly operated on the side of the pro-Mubarak thugs in Egypt as well as the supposed “pro-democracy” thugs in Iran. I don’t know where you got your estimate for Iran demonstrators but it is probably more accurate than the obviously exaggerated numbers provided by MSM. I scoffed when I first saw such high numbers myself.
The fear for Iran is that US public opinion will eventually be swayed by the media barrage as it was by 9/11 related propaganda. Already, sanctions have been given a pass by the public as well as by the “coalition of the killing” in the international community. Sanctions traditionally have been the pre-requisite to military actions when pretexts are lets say, less convincing.
For Egypt, the big worry is that there is little than can be done to prevent another form of “pro-business” government from taking the place of the dictatorship. If it can actually be managed then Egypt will inevitably be joining the list of states the US labels as “rogue states”. If the military keeps to its promises to relinquish power and suitable leaders actually recieve it then a socialist type democracy may be possible. These are big IF’s. Otherwise, even well-meaning leaders might not be willing to take the chance on an alternative to IMF “humanitarian” takeover of the economy with the assistance of the wealthy elite, especially knowing that would place them in opposition to Western powers similar to Iran.
It is an edge of your seat situation altogether. As Scott noted, Western powers, especially the US, had a significant role in creating the conditions for revolt in Egypt and they dearly want to maintain and expand those same conditions. The outcome remains uncertain, everything is in flux, and all possibilities are possible, for me though optimism still remains elusive.
@Shawn, so we’re safe here, then?
*emerges from bunker*
Seriously, I loathe this site. It’s prevented me from having deliciously self-righteous, leftie conversations about WikiLeaks (I’m left rolling my eyes at the bar when this comes up). I was crushed. Curse you, Scott, and your infinitely-more-accurate-than-mainstream analysis!
The sad thing is, I am starting to really think like these people and they won’t offer me a job, because they think I would only do it so that I could infiltrate them. Oh what a tangled web we weave…
At least you all can joke about it…
and Frances, it doesn’t take much to be more accurate than main-stream media…. and Scott’s articles are way beyond them because he remembers history and facts…. exactly what the main media wants people to forget or be confused about.
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Dear my blogger friend, I was on twitter, I saw a tweet about your post , i came , I read , and I really feel the need inside me to describe a little bit of the situation is Iran , I am an Iranian Student , born and raised in Iran , till a year ago , right now I am at Canada so I can enjoy liberty…
let me start from this video :
http://edition.cnn.com/video/?%2Fvideo%2Fworld%2F2011%2F02%2F15%2Firan.egypt.analysis.sadjadpour.cnn%3Fhpt=T1
This is the main differences between Iran and Egypt. Iranian people are facing a suppression that Egyptians never faced. I would like to remind you to the 3rd day of Egypt crisis that the military clearly stated that they would never shoot people. In Iran , there is no military ! military has no power , however we have “Sepah” which is militia-bussiness group . that almost owns all the country sources , from exports to imports , any thing you can name , it all belongs to Sepah (which is refereed to as military guard)
So this Sepah , who owns everything , and who has guns , very easily kills , tortures and put people to jail if it thinks that it is losing any benefits…
guess what else Sepah do , election fraud !
You said that this government was the choice of our people, you are wrong my friend , in summer what happened was cope ! you said that there were several international organization controlling election , this is not true my dear friend , in fact you know who was in charge for controlling the election and counting the votes !? Basij !! which is a sub division of Sepah !
After the revolution millions came out ! in tehran itself there is a record of 3 million people out ! marching peacfully saying “Where is my Vote” , and you know why they didnt last !? why they didnt take over the leader house or TV stations.. ? because they faced violence ! they killed 140 people on the streets including NEDA ! a young girl with backpack !
yes they have enough bread to eat (just unlike Egypt ! ) , thay just wanted freedom ! not really basic needs ! they wanted to wear whatever they want ! to be whatever they want which is not a “Basic needs” revolution !
People of Iran did a revolution in 79 that was hijacked ! they have the experience of 8 years of brutal war with Iraq in their lives , almost every family has a missing member there , they did not want to go through ciaos again , they did not want 25 year olds to be the ministers of country !
So they went back , because they killed them ! the Sepah Bastards !
in the past month , middle east movements raised up ! Egyptians themselves said that they got inspired by what happened last year in Iran ! the government said that this is the ISLAMIC uprising in Egypt ! the Egyptians said no its not ! its the revolution of people !
meanwhile opposition took the time and asked for a solidarity with freedom movement of people of Egypt ! (which government already acknowledged it) so they put the government in an awkward position !
The most important thing is that you people of the world wont fall for Iran government lies and hypocrisy ! who said people of Iran like Ahmadi Nejad ! I am Iranian ! I tell you I know no one who does not hate him with passion !!!
on Monday morning , poeple blogged their “It could be my last post, I am going to street” posts ! they want to fight for freedom ! while most of them was not hungry I am sure !!! they fought for their country to be proud in world , because they hate when they have been called axis of evil !
Two people were shut dead by Sepah , and yet in their newspapers they write that people themselves !!! shoot each other ! or they write 100 people attend the protest ! and they give the list of 1500 arrested , you in north America read the translation and would think , carp , why they need this much coverage !
yesterday more than 100,000 of people were out ! but they could not formed a main core because police did not let them , so they had to distribute to small streets, believe my dear white American friend , if you knew the name of the streets and you watched all the videos you would have admit that !
they are world class people there ! living their lives , making art , carving for acknowledgments and freedom ! while because of the nuclear ambitions of “Sepah” to assure their long existence , they are banned of traveling and basic civil rights.
I dont know what crap US is thinking right now , but i could say if they manage to sanction the country oil and gasoline export and import ! the government would crack down in a matter of month ! but yet they sit and make movies such as IRANIUM !
last but not least ! I was there in tehran when we gathered in support of 911 ! i was marching with a candle ! that was not a demonstration against government ! even at that time government liked that because they were from reformist party. noting that till now , there was not any Iranian terrorist in any of these attacks in the world ! infact sepah hire people from …. to kill Iranians on these protests !
I will come here again ! I will try to keep the dialog with you , because we as Iranians need this dialog !
Okay, I did a moderately extensive search for “Sepah Iran” on Dogpile, and came up with only 41 sites. The most “informative” one being Iran Politics Club. It seems to claim that the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) is a sort of army/ political machine/ bank (which bank is described on other websites as Bank Sepah, a vast international bank). (And which yet has been listed by the U.S. State Department as a terrorist group!)
This Iran Politics Club website says things like:
Let me repeat that last sentence:
All indications are that the Iranian Under Class (part of Iran’s 75+ million citizens) is, relatively speaking, getting fed, housed, and educated pretty well. Yet we are not seeing very much “global Islamist Terrorism” of late. Odd.
The Iran Politics Club website also complains about terrible shortcomings of Iranian “democracy”:
Well in the U.S., we only have two parties! Plus (private proprietary) computer voting!
Iranian demonstrators shot in daylight? In the U.S., jaywalkers are shot in daylight (Black Panthers, however, tend to be shot in their beds at night, or perhaps extraordinarily renditioned to Kuwait to be tortured).
But we U.S. and Canadian citizens have the right to say whatever we want, until…
Hey Pouya, did tru-cast send you over here? How much you being paid for it?
Dear Jan , seriously not , I am just a young guy who loves his country… I know that people of Iran love Americans, they love people of Israel , they are good people , they are craving for freedom that could suit their minds and culture.
How do you think women of any country feel if they arrest them because of not wearing hijab !? or if they get half of the inheritance share than men. or if they can never divorce unless the husband wants , that is gender equality , that is why they made a campaign named “one million signatures” http://www.we-change.org/english/
why they would go in all those troubles !? for money !? would you go to jail for 11 years for money !? or face the chance of being executed !?
then how do you think its fair when thay make a movie IRANIUM supporting bombing Iran , just because they don’t want give up on oil ! just when they have never been a resolution from UN on human rights issues of Iran.
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Dear Blues ,
I dont want to play victim here. but let me point some facts.
After the election movements , more than 140 people were killed , thousands arrested , two people died because of no food and hygiene in one of the camps that they kept them. many executed because of “their
act against national security” which is not a crime one can define.
I was writing these last night , I had some typo errors,by Sepah I mean the “Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution” or what referred to as “revolutionary guard”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_the_Guardians_of_the_Islamic_Revolution
that is true , Iranian oil money goes to support terrorism groups in the region ! and not to make education or health care or employment for Iranians ! people of Iran hate that ! they are dieing for better lives and less terrorism and instability in the region !
one of the main phrases in the green demonstrations always was
“no to ghazze (Hamas) , and no to Lebanon (hezbollah) , my life is devoted to Iran !”
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I know that you guys probably dont want me here, I know that you would enjoy people with your point of views. but this is the message of Persian people I am telling you. let us talk please , let me introduce ourselves to you !
I dont care if you are a democrat or republican , I just want to say war destroys Iran and make the problem worst because of Islamic hardliners for both us and you guys, and people of Iran deserve a recognition from you guys so that we all work it to a more peaceful world.
Look Pouya, I don’t care if you stop by or not. To me it’s fun talking with you guys. Beats American Idol anyway.
Let’s take a look at some of that violence you make reference to during the “Green Revolution” last year.
I call this one “Attack of the Free Market Yuppies”. Kinda catchy, ain’t it?
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/iranian-cops-being-attacked-by-more-free-market-supporting-protesters.jpg
Now in that picture you can clearly see Free Market reformers attacking unarmed Iranian police men.
Now here is the interesting part… the MSM clipped the photo when they published it so that you can’t see the reformer with the club attacking the officer. Why did they do that you ask?
Simple: because in many other videos and photos you see these guys attacking other civilians, and of course the official story is that they are plain-clothed Iranian cops doing the beating. But this photo proves otherwise (why would plain clothed cops attack other cops?)
Now lets take a look at the massive pro-government rallies that took place at that time… remember them?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34630500/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa
The vast majority of the people of Iran are clearly happy with the government they have. Period. Sure, there are some who, say, live somewhere else, like Canada maybe, who wish to bring back the good old days of the Shah and his official death squads the SAVOK… because in those days there were tons of money to be made if you had the right connections and the right outlook toward the common good of your fellow Iranians.
You remember the SAVOK don’t you?
Here is something written by an Iranian like yourself…
“In 1974, after finishing university, I returned to Iran to live and work. In a little while, I was summoned to a Savak center. They had an interrogation session for me. They started like this: khAr***, mAdar***, k*sk*sh, j*k*sh, pedar*, what did you think you are doing criticizing the Shah in the U.S.?”
“The real enemies of Iran were not the intellectuals who were asking for democracy. The real enemies were the Savakis themselves who had made Iran a big jail to prison any thought of democracy. And all the government functionaries from Ali Amini to Dariush Homayoon kept silent about it and they let Iranian intellectuals to suffer.”
http://www.ghandchi.com/14-Savak.htm
Funny how when I was writing about the fake Green Revolution last year, I kept seeing demonstration here in the US and Canada made up of yuppies all carrying the Shah’s family flag. They wouldn’t dare do that in Iran, but they certainly did here in the states.
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/flags-of-shahs-iran-at-protest.jpg
Do you have an Iranian flag or the Shah’s flag?
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/a-resurgence-of-the-shahs-flag-bodes-ill-tidings-for-iran/
Here is an article that shows how the Shah’s son appeared on Israeli television and promised that he would be returning to control in Iran very soon.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/the-shahs-son-promises-to-return-to-power-in-iran/
In short Pouya I have no doubt that you love Iran and hope one day to return without being under threat. But the truth is, even the Shah loved Iran. Mubarak loved Egypt and Suharto loved Indonesia.
Hell, the Bushs, Clintons, and Cheneys all love the U.S., but that doesn’t mean they love it for the same reason I do.
Iran is tired of our interference in their nation. They learned a lesson in 1953 when the CIA and MI5 overthrew their elected leader and locked them into 30 years of tyranny and dictatorship under the Shah.
So I don’t blame them for being a little cautious about people who seem to be working through “pro-democracy” NGOs to destabilize the country that MOST Iranians seem very happy with right now. So I guess they would consider that treason in a sense… don’t you think Canada and the U.S. have similar laws?
In fact, since you are here and since you love Iran, why don’t you answer a few question for me?
What do you think about how the CIA and MI6, working in the interests of BP (at the time the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, I believe) created a disinformation campaign and destabilized Iran so that they could install the Shah in 1953?
Why don’t you tell us what you think about the rule of the Shah during those years? Was that “democracy” as you enjoy it in Canada?
Why don’t you tell us if you support the idea of the Shah’s son taking power in Iran after this new “green revolution” they keep talking about? Would you support that?
Let’s talk about the general education level and mean income percentages for the average Iranian during the Shah years and since. What do you know of those figures? They are not hard to find.
Lotsa questions for you.
Thanks Willy, you said it much better than i ever could !!!
I am really happy to see you guys know this much about Iran’s contemporary history. And I will answer all of your questions to the best extent of my knowledge. I wish to be loyal to the middle class I am trying to present !
first of all , me
I born 25 years ago 1986 which means that I havent had the chance to experience Shah era, my father though was a very active politically in that time , against shah regime ! nowadays he always talk about those days with regret, he wishes that he had never protest against shah cause he believes we are in much worst situation right now. I spent my life till 24 in Iran where I got my BSc in university of tehran -5years- and I came to Canada for my masters. What I can say I know , is that I know the people of my generation , I know their demands , I know how they feel . I have friends from many other cities of country and I say that I know their demands. However there are still around many people in iran who live in villages, those who mainly are poor and those who all the economy of their families depends on governmental aids in terms of buying their products (farmers etc..). they could vote for just 50box cash , but even with those votes , Ahmadi nejad cant be elected among the rest of country. There are many evidence of the fraud in the election which I get to if you guys wanted me later on.
The first picture that you put, yes they are beating the Sepah people “the uniformed Sepahis” ! that is true , however does it mean that they attacked them at first !? never ! in the first Friday after the week of the election, Supreme leader came to Friday prayers and said the election is correct and whoever comes to streets will be responsible for himself , the day after many came , they start marching silently but they faced snipers and machine guns from the top of some governmental buildings , then a ciaos happened , people starts fighting back and beats whoever Sepahi that they could find , this is just an example , there was lots of fights like this going on , and many pictures like that ! but none of those means that they kick the police men for fun or whatever , I have been beaten in Iran during my undergrad so many times , there were many of these small demonstration specially in university of Tehran and many of these scenes ! here are two videos of what that happened , if I am not mistaken , NEDA ( the girl with a backpack) died at the same day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc3zn0BxrWQ
about the pro government people ! I agree with you that they exist ! the problem is that they wont agree that we exist ! moreover , you know why they come to these rallies !? they even give them treats ! Governmental offices give them leave with pay !they provide them buses to bring them there from around Tehran and even small cities around ! They give treats in pro government rallies but in green demonstrations they give a way bullets! That is why you wont see something like eygpt when sepah is fighting back, Here are two videos fro you from this recent annual revolution rally on feb 11th
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a1NHnCVDnU this one is from pro-government rally on and these are the busses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnvRR0gj0sY and even eith all of these they still have to photoshop all the photos and mix these movies with old movies from previous years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuq06HkTXd8 this one is for December 9th 09 ! You can see that as the people from the main core! They attack people with tear gas so they can distribute them ! Because as the people see the main core, they join and it gets bigger and bigger , so they fight hard at first to prevent the main core ! That is why you won’t see that on feb 14th there were around a million people just in Tehran!
About Savok , that is true for sure , there was definitely a reason why people did that revolution in 79 , I was not born then however , Tajzade who was one the famous activist on 1979 revolution now in green movement and imprison , once said “at that time we did not have political freedom , but we had all other kinds of freedom , right now , not only we couldn’t find political freedom after years , but we lost any other kind of freedom too” , so yes at that time the situation was so bad ! but now it is worst ! and believe me back then , generals had the money ! now Sepahis have it ! you won’t believe me if I say I saw more Ferraris in streets of Tehran rather than here ! they are making themselves castles ! and posing like poor people ! please world ! don’t believe them !
You said that the majority of people of iran are happy with heir govermnets, believe me not , that is why the join in the green movement , that is why they come to streets and faced death ! Even not all of the unhappy people join the green movement, because many people are so disappointed that do not even join in the elections of this regime !! there are 10% of people really happy with the Isalimc regime , and guess what they do ,anything !they even could kill, because they think they would go to heaven ! so they took the country more or less. This is what Iranian people want , to be able to join the election without exposing to violence , then you will see who they would vote for ! for sure if they don’t steal the votes.
About the flag, what unites Iran is the three colors ! after revolution they replaced the lion with the graphic sine of word “allah” in Persian alphabet ! I personally like to see the lion back there one day !
bout the love ! yes I do , I do love iran and I believe that they should make good care of the historical sites because that is our inheritance , they love too , but they destroy them ! I feel that Persian gulf is part of our history, but they trade the name with Arabs ! I love iran and I love to see economy growing ! but they sacrifice anything to get nuclear !
I love Iran and I think that Iran has 50% share of Caspian see ! but they love and they let the ussr remainees take all of it , even when they had to stay to their previous borders ! I love Iran and I like to see the money of the oil to build factories and schools for poor people in far villages , but they love iran and spend all the money to hamas and hezobollah to “take those oppurtunites” — as in In every crisis, real or manufactured, there is… opportunity. — its not this simple my friend , trust me ! if I want to give a list , it gets very much long ! they kill , they discriminate, they censor and they lie !…
About 1953 ! yes that is sad ! Iran almost starts it movements for freedom with France ! The records are from around 300 years ago that the first dialogs of modern democracy started in the nation, however because of the very important geo-political location of iran , always the superpowers prevent it, there are many things I can tell even about 79 revolution , and how the superpowers tried to push trough Islamic choice !
however , ..
Dr.Mosadegh was a very nationalist man , and I do respect him a lot ! it is sad that 53 coup happened, and I do believe that because of the same mistake that US did that time , they should support the movement of people of iran right now with every mean they can ! I feel worried about the next election after this democratic party in US, I feel that if republicans get the power they would be so hard on this and the probability of war would be so high ! you can see it vibes coming from now, and that is the reason why I feel the urgency to connect with American people as well as Israel people right now more than ever ! and tell them the message of peace and democracy of Iranian people
About Shah son, he has some supporters in Iran , but they are quite small group of people ! I personally do not want him back as a king and neither all the youth people I know, he however always said that he will act as party leader if one day he gets back , but they have some old supporters who missed having a king and they following the dialog of a kingdom , they are mainly in thier50s and as I said they are very few. The good thing with green movement is that all the different voices are supporting one cause and that is Ahmadi nejad to get out of power ( and hopefully a referendum afterwards)
About education level, I don’t know that much ! I know that Iran is the second country in the world in the list of brain drain, I would say now people are more educated than in Shah time – just a guess- since for sure now we are in 21st century ! and that requires more education ! Some people say , Islamic republic is good , since they made so many roads ! they should know that they have to do some progression at least in these past 30 years ! and this does not means that we could not be any better !
Please tell me if you had any more questions , I will be glad to answer , I do have deadline for a paper tomorrow and it took me two hours to write these , wish me luck
please just publish my second comment , the first one has some typos
I love it when that happens. Do keep us posted on what we are supposed to believe Pouya. We wouldn’t wouldn’t want to be misled by documented facts or historical trivialities.
I will give you this much Pouya, you are dedicated. That’s for sure.
For future reference, when you post a comment with more than two links, it automatically goes to moderation for approval. Just so you know.
I will read over your comment and answer your questions a little later today. thank you for the reply.
I was 29 when it happened, but I don’t remember it like I do the day they killed Kennedy, or the day the space shuttle blew to bits, or 9/11. It’s Kent State I’m talking about, here.
Shame on me.
I wonder how old Obama was back then, what he remembers about that day. I don’t know, but the other day he called the leaders of Iran hypocrites for cracking down on their demonstrators.
r ap
I haven’t got to go that far back. In 2008 Amy Goodman was roughed up and arrested, and in 2004 I think it was we had those “free speech zones”… remember them? for that matter, we can talk about Obama’s new authority to arrest and indefinitely detain anyone he wants, simply because he is president. Then of course, there is Attica, Kent State, Ruby Ridge, and Waco for starters… a for-profit prison system with 2 million young men in it…
and that is to say nothing of Gitmo which Obama got elected on the promise to close… how’s that working out?
- work to remember -
Well, those guys even made a song about it, a good song, too. I used to sing along whenever I heard it. Still, it took me a while to remember.
How so they do that, I wonder–make us forget.
Maybe it’s just me.
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well, if I had to guess how they do it…
I was tuned into the shine of the late night dial
Doing anything my radio advised
With everyone of those late night stations
playing songs bringing tears to my eyes
I was seriously thinking about hiding the receiver
When the switch broke cause it’s old
They’re saying things I can hardly believe
They really think we’re getttin’ out of control
Radio is the sound salvation
Radio is cleaning up the nation
They say you better listen to the Voice of Reason
But they don;t give you any choice
‘Cause they think that it’s treason
So you had better do as you were told
You better listen to the radio
I wanna bite the hand that feeds me
I wanna bite that hand so badly
I wanna make them wish they’d never seen me
Some of my friends sit around every evening
And they worry about the times ahead
But everybody else is overwhelmed by indifference
And the promise of an early bed
You either shut up or get cut out
They don’t wanna hear about it
It’s only inches on the reel to reel
And the radio is in the hands
Of such a lot of fools
Tryin’ to anesthetize they way that you feel
Radio is the sound salvation
Radio is cleaning up the nation
They say you better listen to the Voice Of Reason
But they don’t give any choice
‘Cause they think that its treason
So you had better do as you were told
You better listen to the radio
Wonderful Radio
Nothing Less than Radio
Radio, Radio
I do remember a day back in the late 60s when they busted my face in and locked me up for just standing around and watching a protest.
Didn’t work. These days, I stand in protest.
“I do remember a day back in the late 60s when they busted my face in and locked me up”
no… back in those days, that was called “high school”… I get them confused myself sometimes
Well, I was high.
Didn’t go over well those days, not in front of the Armory in Garden City, Kansas, anyway. Maybe I should have worn my dog tags.
At least, they didn’t have mandatory minimums yet.
But, it was in 68 or 69–before I got married, in 70. There was even an Indian rock band there, that day–Babe, or Baby. Something like that.
See! It’s working. I’m starting to remember some history.