by Scott Creighton
UPDATE: The liberal blog-o-sphere is a buzz this morning and it appears the spin is to blame it all on the Comcast merger. No one is talking about what Keith O said about Lyin Joe less than 24 hours before he got sacked. “don’t let the delusional liar door hit you in the delusional liar butt on the way out.” “goodbye, Joe Lieberman, and good riddance.” he accused Lieberman of “lying even on the way out the door.”
“The bizarre timing of the announcement has raised a number of speculations, from Olbermann’s suspension last November to the departure of NBC Universal CEO Jeff Zucker in light of the network’s recent acquisition by Comcast.” Huffington Post
You see? Not a word about the obvious friction between Lieberman and Olbermann. Not even on the fake “progressive” sites. Don’t buy into the “Comcast did it” crap. That’s just there to protect Lyin Joe. Well, actually, if Lyin Joe got Olbermann fired, he did it through his White House connections… which means… Obama did it. And THAT is why you won’t hear a peep about this connection from the fake “progressive” left. They don’t want to do anything that might hurt the great one’s all important approval rating even if that means turning their backs on their hero, Keith Olbermann.
No corporation is going to come in with a new investment and kick out the big star just because they want to end net neutrality. That’s just stupid. The following is Comcast’s statement on the matter.
“ “Comcast has not closed the transaction for NBCU and has no operational control at any of its properties including MSNBC. We pledged from the day the deal was announced that we would not interfere with NBCU’s news operations. We have not & we will not.”
Olbermann brought up MSNBC from the doldrums and his fan base is extremely loyal. This is going to hurt MSNBC’s ratings which will hurt Comcast’s new investment. If anything, Comcast is pissed off right now. They paid for a #2 news network and right before they took ownership, someone at that network canned their star anchor. There are 6 thousand comments on the MSNBC article about this and it’s just 6:25am the morning after. The majority of those comments are similar to this one.
“A huge mistake for MSNBC to lose Keith. I am finished with their shenanigans. I will follow Keith wherever he goes.” ex-MSNBC viewer
If anyone tries to tell you this was done by Comcast, don’t buy it. That’s just PR guys trying to fix the story. This is all about Lyin Joe Lieberman throwing a hissy-fit and GE’s CEO taking a new job at the White House.
This came on so suddenly, a promo for Olbermann’s show ran at the halfway point of Rachel Maddow’s show which comes on after Keith’s. Had this been Comcast, they would have seen it coming. No, this is about Lyin Joe calling a marker with the Obama White House, so really, this is about Obama getting Olbermann fired. It wouldn’t be the first time the White House got MSNBC’s star personality fired… Phil Donahue?
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It’s hard to say what happened right now but as far as I know, Keith Olbermann, who had signed a 4 year contract extension in 2008, did his last Countdown show tonight.
“Mr. Olbermann had signed a four-year contract extension in 2008 for an estimated $30 million. He hosted “Countdown” at 8 p.m. since 2003 and it became the foundation of the channel’s surge to status as the second-ranked news channel on cable television, after Fox News, surpassing the one-time leader CNN.” New York Times
Keith had recently done a piece about Joe Lieberman in which he called him a liar, flat-out.
And he is a liar.
And a traitor in some people’s eyes.
There isn’t a piece of fascist legislation that Joe Lieberman doesn’t drool over at night when he rocks himself to sleep while dressed up in his peasant girl costume.
The IDF could line up 50 blind kids against a wall and shoot them with bullets that we paid for and Lyin Joe would swear on his mother’s life with tears in his eyes, that Hamas had used them as human shields and that Israel was the real victim.
Because Joe Lieberman is a delusional… and pathological… liar. Period.
He would lie about just about anything as long as it advanced his career. He is the personification of the used car salesman politician.
Sorry. I shouldn’t insult used car salesmen that way. At least they work for a living.
“In one of them, he said, “don’t let the delusional liar door hit you in the delusional liar butt on the way out.” In another, he said, “goodbye, Joe Lieberman, and good riddance.” And in still another, he accused Lieberman of “lying even on the way out the door.” Huffington Post
In his press conference, Lying Joe praised himself over and over again for all the great things he has done for us. Keith ran with a piece in his show last night picking apart Lieberman’s delusional farewell speech. Lieberman will remain in office for 2 more years so I don’t know why he chose to honor himself with such a melodramatic masturbatory celebration of self, but that’s Lyin Joe for you.
Today, Obama announced General Electric’s CEO will be heading up an important advisory council in the White House. This shit can’t be unrelated. GE owns 87% of MSNBC which means Olbermann’s ex-boss, Jeffrey Immelt, will be the man advising the president on policies that MSNBC will be reporting on. Even after the transition to Comcast slated for the end of this month, GE will still own 49% of NBC Universal which owns MSNBC.
I wonder how tough MSNBC’s journalists will be on Obama’s domestic policies, now that they know their boss (the guy who literally signs their paychecks) is the one who actually wrote those policies.
I hope, in my heart of hearts, that Keith O quit today because he just couldn’t bring himself to work in a situation like that. I really do. I used to like Keith Olbermann. Yeah, he did some things I really didn’t like; he carried water for the Obama regime when he damn sure shouldn’t have. But overall, I think he may have had some integrity at some point. I really hope he quit on his own over this Immelt fiasco. I do.
But something tells me that is just more fantastical thinking on my part. More than likely, a smarmy little weasel, Lyin Joe Lieberman, called up his connections in the White House and got them to pressure Immelt into shit-canning Keith Olbermann because he had the audacity to call out Lyin Joe for his pathetic display of a self-serving good-bye speech. People like Lyin Joe can’t stand it when the entire country is laughing at them.
Because deep down inside, Lyin Joe knows he’s lying and he can’t stand knowing that he isn’t as convincing as he thinks he is.
My guess is, Lyin Joe is leaving the senate so that he can be in some other position like secretary of defense or some other cushy government paycheck. I mean, where else is he going to get a fat paycheck for behaving like a raving fascist? Haiti? They already got Baby Doc. What do they need with Lyin Joe and his peasant girl costume?
Having Keith’s ridicule go unanswered would besmirch Joe’s reputation and possibly even embolden more criticism. So of course, Lyin Joe probably put in a call to his fellow fascists in DC and now Keith O is out.
Somewhere Lyin Joe is sitting around, patting himself on the back again, sipping $400 a bottle scotch (that we paid for), and telling everybody that will listen about all the power he wields. In a couple of drinks, with his audience bored and gone, he might even start believing his own bullshit again… and then all will be right in the world of Lyin Joe Lieberman.
Keith O gave Lyin Joe a painful glimpse of reality… and Joe didn’t like it. Delusions are so much more comfortable these days.
Olbermann is better off anyway.
If you think MSNBC was the “all Obama” channel before, now that Barack has hired their CEO, you can expect them to turn up the Ministry of Truth act full throttle. No self-respecting journalist should stay at MSNBC. Talent flight should be the next migration pattern over there, that is, if there are any journalists left.
I hope this breaks MSNBC for good. Then all we got to work on is Fox and CNN.
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Good riddance. The bastard is not stupid and he knew he carried the Obama/Dem Party water. Fuck him.
As for Joe being the catalyst, I doubt it. Keith has said much worse.
I think it is just that ALL negativity from ALL MSM news channels will now be put under extra pressure and scrutiny.
The power grab is on, Dude. They must control the message, even more and Keith, albeit a sell-out and scumbag, was the only one that would use any psyop negativity against the machine with a seemingly authentic aura.
We won’t be hearing much more of this type of stuff.
actually, who is that commentator from MSNBC who is focusing so much of his time on the banks? Its not Lawrence Odonnall… what is that guys name? I think that guy is vastly more caustic to their cause than Keith O is or was….
Oh yeah, Ratigan. Should we wager that he will be without a job soon?
LOL
Sorry Obermann left. Looked like it upset him. I was hoping he would begin to tell the truth again… maybe he will now … in his own cutting way….
tear them all up, Obermann !!!
I fail to see the connection here. Olbermann carried water hardcore for Obama so I really don’t see why they would want him canned. Lieberman is scum and Olbermanns comments about him were dead on but I don’t know that he has that kind of sway over the White House.
And yes, as far as MSM hacks go Ratigan is more of a threat to the establishment than Olbermann ever was. Olbermann wasn’t half bad when Bush was in power, he was at least better than any other cable news hack but as is typical with phony left/right partisan MSM hacks the quality of his show took a huge nosedive when Obama came to power. Gone were the righteous rants about civil liberties and the phony “war on terror”. Gone were the specials about phony “terror threats” ginned up by the FBI and the media. It devolved into just another-”its all the Republicans fault” show. I hate the Republicans even more than I hate the Democrats but it would have been nice if he went after Obama on issues of war and civil liberties as hard as he did Bush. Since he didn’t this is no big loss in my opinion.
lieberman’s camp made a few calls and that was it for olberman. No worries—he’ll end up with more millions on cnn trashing anyone who disagrees with him.
Chris,
It was easy to bash Bush after a while (and Olbermann carried out those orders very well). But the overall neoliberal agenda now decides that Olbermann needs to pipe down (and I still bet that Ratigan is on limited time with a time spot hardly producing any real viewer numbers… and just enough to satisfy the Obamaites or those online looking for hope that is NOT there.)
I contend that no one will ever gain any real knowledge that helps via ANY MSM news program.
I first called him out here
http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/must-avoid-tv-when-olbermann-became-owned/
What is with this gossipy crap?
Olberman, Lieberman, Comcast, Rachel Maddow, MSNBC, Obama.
This unholy collection of douchebags get into a bunfight and somehow it is big news????
Why not do an investigative report on Sarah Palin, Glen Beck and the town drunk in a three way? It would be of equal news value.
It is however a step up from the dogshit Tunisia ‘coverage’ here. Wow, very disappointing.
My advice is, don’t watch tv! Major network television is an arm of the state, a propaganda cartel, and used to justify the actions of the empire. As for Ratigan, I remember seeing him on that show he used to host, called “Fast Money”. During a panel discussion on the price of oil, he stated that he supported a gas tax to encourage less consumption and to punish the arab producers because “they want to kill us” or some such scripted in Tel Aviv bullshit.
I think Olbermann served his purpose – electing Obama – and now is an embarrassing reminder of how valuable ownership of a media outlet is.
Since billionaire Immelt retains 49%, it is time to look at Comcast ownership. Surprise, it represents the same ethnic interests. Tightly controlled by the Roberts family, with crossties to global comcast properties and offshore tax-dodging facilities, as well as private equity and Bank of New York Mellon.
In short, the more things change, the more they remain controlled by the same interests that brought us the Iraq War, Joe Lieberman and 9-11.
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/board.asp?ticker=CMCSA:US
Olbermann believed in the change he thought he was helping to bring. Sure, the fame and fortune probably helped him believe in the cause, but when you get into bed with the devil, it’s best to remember you’re getting in bed with the devil.
Maybe Olbermann went Rick Sanchez. It must be hard to be helping destroy your own country and not be allowed to talk about the one thing.
I do not have a feeling toward Keith but I sure would love to know if Joe Lieberman did pull his influence and get the guy fired. It would be just another victim of the gang who really knows the dark side of ethics. I actually thought Keith opinion of Joe Lieberman was really very good considering what I feel towards a guy who has been an elected official for one group of people and clearly a front for another group and that goup is not even in the USA. I strongly object to dual citizen serving in elected office. J. Pollard was convicted for taking money from Israel and passing our secrets. I have read many who say he was only doing it for our friend. I have a hard time accepting that they would not feel the same way if the dual citizen passed our secrets to the other side of their loyality. It is time to get rid of dual citizen and their agents who will not allow Americans to have an opinion not acceptable to the likud.
I thought it was easy to bash Bush out of the gate personally, the son of a former President,CIA goon and all around elitist scumbag that he was
It was easy to bash Bush but even on specific issues you saw a pivot when Obama came to power and saw him drop certain issues. Take torture, he rightfully made a bigger deal out of it than most other “journalists” when Bush was in power but talked about it and similar issues a whole lot less when Obama came in.
But again, I’m not crying for Olbermann. He may not have openly attacked 9/11 truth like certain other “leftwing” heroes but his decade of silence on the subject is deafening, along with his silence on anything to do with Israel(including 9/11 obviously). Like I said, the closest he came to doing anything that actually threatened the establishment was when he picked apart various fake terror scares a few years ago so I’m puzzled as to why he is really gone.
Well, I was thinking Olbermann for US Senate Connecticut, 2012; but why not PRESIDENT?!
It riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave.
Keep on thinking free.
Lieberman reminds me of the Joker. You know, the fake smile that splits his ugly face in half? I mean what kind on dna resulted in a face only bull frog could love? With all the money he has stolen from the US and all the bribes (from you know where; formerly Palestine) you would think he would have opted for a little plastic surgery. But in this case, joe’s face would likely have bankrupted both zionist entities. Hang in there joe, I see the bat signal in the sky and I can’t wait to see you get what you deserve.
HEY NADEPAULKUCIGRAVEMCKI:
There ya go man, keep as kool as ya can……
This has been in the works for quite a while. What he said about Lyin’ Joe was not his demise and to suggest that then Obama would have him ousted in that amount of time is about the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard.
How long do you think it takes to make a few phone calls? and yes, I have heard the unsupported report coming from a Times reporter that this has “been in the works for a while”… curious how they would come out with a statement like that isn’t it? Guess they need something to deflect the blame. Can’t have the “progressive” hero knifing Olbermann in the back, now can we? But isn’t that what he has been doing since taking office?
I second Stan’s comment.
There is really nothing worth watching on TV, especially when it comes to “news” or “reporting”. All scripted, gatekeeper BS.
I like your blog, willyloman, quite a bit. And I understand that people from say, The Huffington Post may actually care about why Keith Olbermann was fired, and may find your insight into it eye-opening.
I personally feel it has the same relevance as whether or not some athlete is going to get more money next season as he got last season. The biggest “so what” I can imagine…
Keith Olbermann’s greatest protector at MSNBC was Tim
Russert before his sudden death during the ’08 campaign.
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Why does it matter? (this is for relament)
Does it really matter that one talking head for the globalist corporatists is fired or not? Aren’t they replaceable, interchangeable parts of a propaganda machine?
I don’t watch Olbermann anymore. You can easily find articles (plural) that I have written about the guy sucking up to the system now that Obama is in charge. He did his boss’s bidding, of that there is no doubt.
But it is important.
This sends a very strong message. When someone with the clout and the following and the market value of Keith Olbermann is just tossed out to pasture so quickly, everyone in the industry notices.
Take Phil Donahue for example. His firing by MSNBC sent a message as well.
So did Helen Thomas’.
Dissent… I mean REAL dissent… like calling the ultimate globalist/Zionist senator a delusional liar upon the occasion of his “retirement”… that just simply will not be tolerated.
They did it for themselves… not for Joe.
Each and everyone one of these globalist politicians are going to have to do what Joe made a career out of, in one way or another. They are all going to have to lie and support draconian legislation that does nothing but harm us in service to their corporatist masters. The last thing they want is to retire or to leave office and be known for what they were… traitors, sellouts, thieves, and liars.
what Keith did wasn’t that explosive but it worries people like this. It worries them that some people in the press still think they are bigger than the system they serve.
Look at all the sycophantic articles being written about Lyin Joe right now. From the left and the right. These people are a cult and they will not tolerate deviation from the rules.
Olbermann overstepped his place, he deviated from the acceptable discourse… and he hurt Lyin Joe’s little feelings.
So he had to go. To send a message to all the others that follow that this behavior, telling the truth about the traitors in congress and the White House, will NOT be tolerated.
Its important because as bad as this shit was before, now it is going to get worse.
Back when the left was trying to sell Obamacare to their own, trying to silence the majority of us who wanted single payer health care as opposed to this corporatist legislation the White House created, Keith O stepped up and clearly stated that if it were to pass, then they could consider him a criminal because he would not be “mandated” to buy insurance. He called it unconstitutional.
You would think he would get the ax over that. but he didn’t.
No, it took calling out Lyin Joe on his exit speech day.
as bad as it is already, its going to get worse, relament. and that’s why its important.
Yes. I read the comments to ICH’s article, and those at CommonDreams, and a lot of those people commenting would do well to read your blog. I think it would be important for some to stop thinking about supporting someone like Olberman now that he’s been fired, and instead to take seriously an obviously pro-zionist government(with it’s state-run press on TV), amongst other things, whose endless “Godfather” wedding scene, had to toss out a disrespectful guest.
I hoped to make clear that I “personally” don’t care about this incident, but I see why you write about it:)
I agree with willy on this one. It is meaningful in that it shows the others that they better mind their P’s and Q’s and not rock their nice boat.
However, in the grand scheme of things and how it might effect Americans, it won’t do much. Few listen to Keith that would ever DO anything.
As for HuffPo and other like sites, they are ass-kissing sycophantic fools that pleasure in this bogus left/right sham paradigm.
Any clear thinking person could identify the few times that Keith leaned hard on the Empire, but he always backed away. Of course, his money came from the job, but IF he seriously considers what is happening to be detrimental to our way of life, he SHOULD and MUST say something as often as possible (until they DO cull him).
Keith Olbermann got rich with his safe approach. I’ll not cry for him and I won’t commend him UNLESS he comes out of the woodework to explain this and tell us what he REALLY thinks.
And I have written about his exploits many times (giving him kudos whenever it was deserved).
Like Kucinich, he showed his real colors in the last two years.
I love the way the fake progressives devour their own. The repugs and teabaggers are happy, I’m sure.
2 points:
For those i’ve read elsewhere Olbermann’s gonna land on Oprah’s new channel, hard to believe he could and still be allowed to say a negative word about anything 0bama did/does. For those who say he will land on CNN, also hard to believe, CNN long ago admitted they have cia scum right in the studio editing their scripts. How could Olbermann attack ANY evil thing this govt commits?! Unless, of course, he finds it easy to curb his principles to fit his outlet, no stretch there.
Point 2, what i really hate about all the Jew talk, such as in these comments, is that it lets the rightwing Christians completely off the hook for their actions (which for my money are the real well-populated scum in govt and military pulling all the strings), which acc to all the Jew talkers they’re just innocent bystanders FORCED to do as the Jews “running” them tell them to do.
If any of these people would stop and think—keep your skepticism intact, just stop and consider—the US govt is following foreign policies zionists hate, which therefore weakens what i see as the religious belief (and therefore not thought-thru) that the Jews run everything.
CONSIDER: The US and NATO, which the US runs, are manning massive offensive bases all along the Russian border, in following the policies of Zbignieuw Brzezinski, who convinced congressional Dem superdelegates to dump Hillary and support his student 0bama in Dec 2007, which in turn switched her Wall St backers into his. Zbig has been on the get-the-Ruskies warpath long before he helped found the CFR and then saddled the USSR with their own Vietnam in Afghanistan, and is the brains behind the US-Afghani policy intact and going stronger than ever today under 0bama.
Zpig is hated among Israeli/Zionists because he insists the US needs Iran in order to build a base along its border for its policy threatening nuclear WW3 to cow the Russians into allowing the US total global military domination, without them in the way, either thru pressure or obliteration in a WW3 Zpig discusses as winnable. To put a huge base in Iran, the US does not allow Israel to bomb their nuclear facilities, which is why it hasn’t happened already, and won’t so long as his policies are being promoted by our govt.
Needless to say(?), Zionist/Israeli/Jewish policy, therefore, is not running the US.
This is the kind of thing you would NEVER EVER EVER hear on Olbermann—he doesn’t have a clue, paddling around, as he does, in the wading pool of politics, completely out of his depth, a child-like naif seen as a powerful voice by the fools he and they worked together to install the same 0bama he and they now shy from.
I’m not sure about these nefarious speculations over Olbermann’s demise. I think the real reason he was sent packing is that he is a mean-spirited kook who was losing it regularly on national tv–at least in front of the handful that watched him.
The plan to break up the former USA into a thousand little impotent pieces is proceeding nicely. The facist hordes under the GOP-Tea Party banner are the answer to an oligarch´s prayer-the Useful Idiots who can break down any rational political conversation. The thing I like the best is that they actually wrok against their own interests and for ours. After all, how will I get any richer so I can buy a finca here in South America if you peasants don´t vote to tax yourselves, give me more corporate breaks and generally destroy any public financing? Seriously-I really am grateful all you Palin/Beckerheads are giving me all your money! Keep on voting for us- good champagne is unfortunately suffering from a slight inflationary rise, and I have decided I want to buy a lot of emerald jewelry. Viva the Republicans!
Talent flight? They don’t have any to fly.
Paul, if that was the case what is Glenn Becks excuse for ranting like a genuine psychopath every night and not getting fired? Fox have lower standards maybe?
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The TPers are actually the only active citizens out there, the Left is by its absence dead, tho the TPers are of course being told by the Repubs to get in line and follow orders. We ought to tell them to stick to their guns, fight the Repubs, wreak haovc with at least one branch of the two lying betrayer parties, keep their wild and crazy independence, throw grenades in their Repub caucuses, DON’T stay with the Repub program, etcetc, and with our encouragement cause the Repubs nothing but hell.
Pls note that because of her influence on them, the Repubs have declared total war on Palin, who also does not follow their orders, to stop her from gaining traction in her run for prez, which they view as an uncontrollable nightmare—which is a good thing, she will never be elected but could get their nomination, and they’d then have to kill her and blame it on a liberal. Currently they want to kill her influence with the TPers, keeping them off their reservation, as far as the Repubs are concerned.
Hell, the DEMOCRATS are easier for the repubs to control.
If all of us got creative, and contacted TPers, and urged they look into changing laws and block the shit WE hate they may too, and encorage them to stay rebellious against the Repubs, we can contribute by throwing monkey wrenches into the Republican agenda, where otherwise we are utterly powerless.
The “tea party” is a “movement” of dupes helping not only the Republicans overtly but the Dems by extension and the 2 party system overall. Most of them voted for Bush, cheered on his wars and crimes and are only now for “fiscal restraint” because the money spigot is drying up from an unregulated Wall Street meltdown and continuing wars for Israel,oil and simple profits-things that many people who call themselves tea partiers” supported. The “tea party” was meant to keep gullible Glenn Beck fans from voting for a real third party and keep them voting Republican. They sure did too.
The so called “tea party” politicians who were elected to office recently are the same brand of Republican hacks we have always had. Good luck getting them to take on the system. This is what you get when you vote for Democrats and Republicans. It doesn’t matter if the corporate media calls them “tea party”, they are still goddamn Republicans and it appears many many sheep were fooled as expected. I wonder which “tea party” Republican candidate they’ll vote for against Obama instead of voting for an ACTUAL third/independent party? I hate to break it to you but they LOVE Sarah”the only flag in my office is Israeli” Palin and LOVE that she herds sheep so well, hence the endless media coverage. Like Bush versus Clinton all over again, no matter who wins we all lose and business as usual goes on.
Dunno if you’re responding to me, but you give the standard brand shorthand superficial attitude towards the TPers as terrible numbskulls whom you cannot condescend to consider what they’re actually about vis-a-vis the Republicans they dwell UNCOMFORTABLY among.
I’ll try again: These people are extremely rightwing, yes, but they are rebels against the system they would essentially like to see junked. They see Republicans as just going along with it. Yes, they agree with much, or rather a lot of the basic “philosophy” [greed] of the Republican Party, but they want to overthrow it and install themselves, with their out of the mainstream philosophy, instead of theirs.
Now, rather than respond to that with the usual disgust toward all things Reicht, stopping thought processes on the topic altogether, think outside that box to see how they can be used by the Left to undermine the Republican establishment. UNDERSTAND they are in a war with the Republican establishment. Palin got them, her base, to junk the Repub establishment Senator Lisa Murkowski in the Alaska Repub primary in favor of her preference, Joe Miller, who follows her and not them. The Repub establishment fought back, funded Murkowski, urged her to run as a write-in, and did everything it could to make sure she won, defeating the TPer, and while doing so launched a virtual crusade against the influence in their ranks in the person of Sarah Palin. Now, that’s an intra-party war smart people would like to take advantage of, to continue it and screw up the congressional Repub agenda-setting, which the Democratic Party slavishly RUSHES to follow and so are worthless and useless in combatting that agenda, as anyone who can smell the rot of this dying nation should be able to figure out.
SO it behooves those of us who want to derail that Republican agenda to urge the TPers TO KEEP FIGHTING THEM, ESPECIALLY IN PUBLIC, by reiterating they are warring on their princess Sarah, that it was they, not the Democrats, who fought the TPers to defeat their Repub primary winner, they are the corrupt who work with (control) the Dems, they are the evil establishment the TPers came into existence to overthrow. THINK LIKE A 5TH COLUMNIST: INFILTRATE TO DESTROY. When the Repubs are this irritated by their little sub-group and their annoying leader, ENCOURAGE THEM, GET INTO THEIR HEADS, REMIND THEM HOW ROTTEN THE REPUB AGENDA IS, REMIND THEM THE REPUBS SUPPORT THE FED JUST LIKE THE DEMS DO, and see what damage you can accomplish among the agenda-setters, instead of acting like the usual braindead Democrats and accomplish, as usual, absolutely nothing.
UNDERSTAND the TPers are going NOWHERE politically escept within their own ranks. There is no way their sadly bizarre thinking will ever take hold in govt. Note how establishment Repubs blamed Tucson on Palin. She is UNELECTABLE. Concentrate on the fact THEY need to destroy her influence in the Repub Party per se. The fact THEY feel they need to KEEP AT IT, UNDERSTAND HOW DEEP HER INFLUENCE GOES, HOW OUT OF CONTROL THE TPers ARE IN THEIR RANKS, and how they follow their literally out-of-control leader. Stop FEARING them like pansy Dems and start USING them to derail the enemy, in every way you can imagine, in charge of the damn agenda, which we need to send over a cliff pronto, wherever we see they disagree, in every way we can. IN THIS WAY the TPers ARE OUR ALLIES. But they need to keep hearing encouragment, and be given ideas on what they should say and DO to overthrow the Repub establishment they have always seen as their half of the two-headed problem.
Make the Repub House a train wreck. Get TP Senators to screw up the Repub strategy in the Senate. ENCOURAGE Palin to run. The establishment Repubs will have to spend time, effort and MONEY to keep attacking until they utterly destroy her. Understand how that enrages the TPers they are trying to sweettalk into becoming good Republican robots. Get media and the public to see the Repub intra-party war, which the media is COVERING UP FOR THE SAKE OF THE PARTY and the success of its agenda.
Stop being braindead Democrats and use the weapons at hand to cripple the enemy, as exasperating and pain-filled as possible.
Or just be the usual worthless Dems, or dupes, and do nothing to stoke the fire that’s burning within the Repub ranks.
Native, I tried to be nice but……THE TEA PARTY IS A FUCKING FRAUD. Shall I go over the reasons why? How about just a couple? Endless media coverage? CHECK. Funny how the anti-war movement circa 2002 didn’t get the same endless and glowing MSM coverage? Or not considering one movement threatened the establishment(anti-war) and one HELPS it(Tea party). Again-ALL REPUBLICANS were elected, NOT “tea party” or third party no matter what they call themselves. Whats the end result of that genius? More of the same.
I’m not gonna waste anymore time, I’ll just say the fact that you think I’m a “braindead Democrat” just because I don’t fall for an OBVIOUSLY PHONY AND CONTRIVED AND CORPORATE MEDIA DRIVEN “movement” like you do says all that needs to be said about you and why you would in fact fall for such an obvious ploy as the “tea party”. The “tea party” is just the phony new face of the Republican party. Most people who consider themselves tea partiers DO in fact support the establishments “defense” spending and wars and fully support letting the corporate criminals and Wall Street off the hook. Sorry for my anger but I am so sick of this phony ass movement persisting like it does. Wake the hell up and REJECT it, do not try and sell me on it being genuine because its not, its a movement of Becktards and xenophobes.
Of course i “reject” it, as if that does anything different than your “rejection” of it!
You can’t read. You’re an idiot. Pls drop dead. Thank you very much.
Get bent jackass., you’re just angry I called you out as the fucking dupe you clearly are.
“You can’t read”. And you can barely type a single coherent sentence while shilling for corporate owned movements like the tea party.
Thank you Chris, I thought Native’s sentence structure wa also confusing,and then i thought he was actually trying to confuse while weaving his TP line into his mix… but I wasn’t sure….
Thank you ….
Yeah. I just can’t stand this phony TP movement. Its been so effective I feel the need to call it/them out wherever I see them. The “tea party” has been a real establishment success story.
Thank you for the criticism! I see i have to better flesh out my thoughts and not run them all together. I tried to get out too much all at once.
You understood nothing that i wrote. And that’s my fault. FTR, i would like to see the death of both parties as the corrupt evil assholes they comprise, and see the TPers as a way to throw monkeywrenches into that single-party corporate machinery.
YOU failed in not trying to grasp the war going on between the Repubs and the TPers they cannot control within their ranks. You dismiss them as a corporate-created fraud equal to and part of the Repubs. You’re wrong. As i did state most coherently, they are under constant attack by the Repub establishment, as could be seen in the Alaskan senatorial race, and in their attacks on Palin. And that’s your deficiency. You are a rather typical, simplistic, superficial thinker. You hate and go no further than that. All of us need to see the difference between typing your emotions on your laptop and proactive action to undermine the totality of evil that is this govt.
You can whine on about it, you can attack the messenger trying to get an audience to join a plan to eliminate them and theirs, or you can actually try to fuck it all up. But first you have to able to see the cracks in their armor and actually try to break it open and get to their heart as best you can. You can’t do that by dismissing them all as evil (yes they are) and going no further to do them in.
Go ahead, attack me again if it makes you feel good, it doesn’t matter. If you don’t get it, you don’t get it. If you try, you may succeed. If you don’t, you remain a bystander whining away while they destroy the Constitution, and so our rights. I hope you can get over your misplaced anger and see how my suggestion gets us all moving forward. There’s mayhem ahead for them if you did.
Maybe you can improve on my idea. Then do it! Let’s see it. Just spare me and everyone else any religious faith and belief in the Democratic Party as pseudo-opposition to the Repubs. They’ve long made me an atheist. As far as they’re concerned, as “saviors”, they don’t exist. And that’s the problem in a nutshell as to why the Repubs are running wild: There is no opposition stopping them—except the TPers they are warring against. You don’t hafta support them, you just have to see you can use them to gum up the works.
Maybe i got through this time.
“and see the TPers as a way to throw monkeywrenches into that single-party corporate machinery.”
That is my point-you fell for it-the phony “tea party” fraud that simply GOT MORE REPUBLICANS ELECTED. It was about maintaining the status quo and it worked flawlessly. The tea partty is not :gumming up the works” it is defanging legit anger and channeling it back into helping the 2 party sham. I don’t know how to be any clearer. If it was a real movement like the 9/11 truth movement it would NOT get endless media coverage like it does. It is a corporate media and 2 party system creation and you are falling for it.
And again you show how fucking dense you are by AGAIN claiming I have some kind of love for the Democratic party. I don’t so please step out of your partisan lane and realize that just because I do not fall for the tea party scam like you do does not mean I am a Democrat.
Sarah Palin is a sick joke by the way. The same media that gave her a platform,made her millions and continues to give her free press is the same media that created the fraud tea party. If you have any respect for a neocon clown like her I am afraid we are more far apart than initially thought.
And if I’m a “superficial thinker” what does that make a guy like you who not only sees Palin as a victim(HA!) when shes clearly not but sees the tea party as a legit movement? I would say a complete moron who easily one ups me in the “simplistic thinking” department but I dont want to stoop to that level
You discount completely the reality that the Repub establishment puts Palin down whenever they can WHICH IF SHE WAS THEIR ASSET THEY WOULD NOT BE GOING CRAZY ON HER. They do that BECAUSE THEY CAN NOT CONTROL HER. SHE GOES AFTER THEIR ESTABLISHMENT REPUB SENATORS AND OTHER CANDIDATES SHE REFUSED TO SUPPORT, INSTEAD SUPPORTING ANOTHER REPUB TEA BAGGER. fyi that does NOT do the party good. It replaces who they are with others who answer not to them, but to Palin. Those are facts you don’t see.
IN fact, they have more trouble getting the TPers to go along with their agenda than they have with the Democrats.
You don’t understand the great plan driving them necessitated agreement under the guise of oposition; the skimpy little teabaggers are driving them nuts because they upset that applecart, even in a minor way. THAT is an opening, ingrate, for their real left opponents to make larger disruption for them, and they know it, even if you don’t, which is why they’re so uppitty about it, and you are a typical superficial democrat-type thinker, reacting emotionally AGAINST an opportunity to do their agenda harm out of kneejerk contempt for those who you could use but don’t have the political awareness to see how.
Further, which you cannot see either, by attacking their attacker, you’re the asshole in the equation.
Now go away.
In 2004, it was John Kerry’s job to lose the election so that the Bush administration could continue with their agenda. That’s why he didn’t challenge the fraudulent election results in Ohio and other states like he was supposed to. Instead, he conceded immediately, in near record time, even though there were already multiple reports of problems with the election.
remember that?
Obama was supposed to win. which means, McCain and Palin were chosen to lose.
Palin is an asset in that regard. She plays a role like everyone else.
Thinking that Palin is anti-establishment, is a bit like many of my democrat friends back in 2008 thinking Obama was anti-establishment.
fantastical thinking.
its careful marketing and you are simply falling for a product.
just like Obama and “CHANGE”
Palin is helping lead the Tea Party right along to the EXACT neoliberal plan that they want for this country….
supports the GWOT
supports the “deficit as the enemy” meme
supports cutting medicare. medicaid, SS
all of these things are what they want and wanted from the very start. Palin and the Tea Party are just another brand of the same product.
Like Alex Jones and his support of Ron and Rand Paul… libertarians are nothing more than neoliberals… look up their core principles, then google neoliberalism. its the exact same thing….
AND, by the way, it is the EXACT same thing that Obama talked about through out his entire SOTU speech last night.
It’s all the same… neofeudalism for America.
Palin is no different. If she was, she would be gone.
I hate to say it(well, not really) but you are clearly not very bright if you think Palin is a victim. Sarah Palin IS the establishment now, she has done nothing but whore for Israel,whore for corporate America and whore for the establishment in general since being tapped as a VP candidate. She has made millions off of her free press and is still fooling idiots like you tino thinking she is “anti-establishment” when nothing could be further from the truth.
And for the 3rd or 4th time your stupid ass AGAIN calls me a ‘democrat”. This AGAIN shows how truly stupid you are and how incapable you are of seeing through obvious partisan bullshit. No wonder you fall for the Palin/tea party fraud, you are clearly very dim witted. Go away and a get a fucking clue, you are making yourself look like a tool.
YOU are being used by the establishment, in this case Palin and the phony “tea party” to sure up their base. Instead of voting for an actual third party morons like you are fooled into thinking the “tea party” is going to “shake up” the Republicans. I would laugh my ass off at your naivety if there were not so many of you who fall for it. In that case its just plain depressing. YOU are whats wrong with this country, without dumb fucks like you the 2 party sham would not have the support it depends on.
On a related note, can you name one “tea party”(REPUBLICAN)candidate that was elected this cycle who is a genuine threat to the establishment and not just another corporate owned hack republican? Put your money where your mouth is. I want names. Put up or shut the fuck up.
The Tea Party has roots that are respectable, but allowed the GOP to take control of enough to make it tainted and unworthy of any real consideration.
Palin is a fool that is truly nothing more than a cute ass. There isn’t a single thing that I can respect about her (she even quit her Governorship). She hasn’t uttered one word deserving of acclaim.
On the contrary, she keeps sticking her foot in her ignorant mouth, BECAUSE she is so fucking stupid.
This is why you need to beware of her. She matches her constituency of Americans to a T.
So, anyone bragging about her is a fool, as well. Anyone seriously thinking about her being POTUS material is a fool.
Hence, see our next POTUS.
America, you bunch of dumb asses.
She was picked to run with McCain because she was stupid and because she would put her foot in her mouth. Remember this picture?
Remember how they had Joe Lieberman, billed as the most “liberal” member of congress running around with John during the early part of 2008, whispering in his ear? You think that made republicans want to vote for McCain?
McCain was running near dead last in the primaries in Dec. of 2007… by Feb of 2008, he had it all cinched up.. in record time.
Thank electronic voting for that.
You have to get over Palin and the entire Tea Party. Like Rand Paul, they are just another way those clever PR guys came up with to get people to actually support more policies that are once again, not in our best interests.
Think back to the end of the Clinton years and the beginning of the Bush days.
They got rid of the derivatives regulations and Glass-Steagall so that they could cripple our economy. But they needed something else.
They needed poor and working poor people to buy housing so that they could create the bubble that would create the next great depression… so, they started a program that was billed as something good for America, but in actually, it was a trap.
Both parties did it. They put billions into a program that would help low income people put money down on a new house. That money came from the tax-payers, went right to the banks, put people in homes that would eventually be stolen from under them, and the homes would eventually be given right to the banks as well.
What people thought was something for the people, was in fact, a trap.
same thing with the Tea Party. Though it started off legit, it was hijacked… kinda like the Truth movement
It started off as a media creation imho, it was meant to stave off the obvious coming voter anger in 2010 and it worked brilliantly(see above) in steering that anger back into the 2 party system. Obama the “socialist” versus the “anti-establishment” tea party who are actually just garden variety Republicans who talk about the Constitution and small government while voting for the Patriot act and endless wars/defense spending. More of the same and that was the point of the tea party.
The truth movement HAD to be infiltrated because unlike the partisan fraud tea party scam it is a genuine threat to the establishment and was not created by and sustained by it. It is in fact under constant attack by it and its media whores while the tea party enjoys the legitimacy given to it by the same media. I don’t think the tea party was ever legit, even if much of the anger certainly was/is. its being misdirected and that was the whole point of the tea party.
Willyloman, please understand, and stop painting with so broad a brush.
Palin is NOT, as you say, anti-establishment, per se. She is fighting with the REPUBLICAN establishment for leadership within that group. Or you cannot explain the deep infighting you apparently have missed in Alaska between Repub establishment Murkowski v Palin’s preferred Tea Partier, Miller. Nor can you explain the vitriol you apparently have missed with which Repub spokesmen repeatedly dump on her, including more than hinting she is to blame for Tucson. This is no less than a Republican on Republican knife fight, it’s being carried out in public, and the slaves of mainstream media do not see it. The rightness or wrongness of her or them is IRRELEVANT to my end of the discussion. The fact is THEY see her as a threat to THEIR primacy. They do not like anyone differing from them among their ranks, let alone one whose campaigning elects TPers over estab Repub candidates. They got one. They don’t like it. They don’t like her. They may have to kill her and blame it on a liberal.
UNDERSTAND, i for one have debated Libertarians on their capitalism-uber-alles “thinking” regarding laws forcing their sainted corporate despoilers to clean up the environment they polluted for all to suffer. I carry no banner for the TPers. I dismiss them as laughably impotent as they are retarded. The bonehead commentator who “thinks” these people are media invention is unaware, probably never met one, of the independent fire that roars through them individually. They religiously BELIEVE the black UN helicopters are circling. There are TENS OF MILLIONS of them. One toothless old TPer cackled in protest of Obama’s [fascist] “Socialist” plan, written by the insurance industry, “Anyone who wants me to have free healthcare is CRAZY!” And she BELIEVES that. She is not a stage prop, and she is legion.
Within Repub circles, the long knives are out for the TPers Palin helped elect unless they heel and follow their orders and not Palin’s. We are dealing with extremist rightwinger turf warfare here. In that way, only, the TPers offer the rest of us who hate both sets of Repubs a positive opportunity to stir that pot until it boils over and internecine warfare becomes evident to the public, at which point the trailer trash that essentially makes up the TP “movement” will make war on the Repub establishment they inchoately distrust. That is why the media is covering up this fight. They do not WANT you to get it. That you can’t is beyond me. Most people can’t because they believe superficial politics as presented us by the media, where Dems “fight” Pepubs and so must be supported as “opposition” when, as you know, taking sides between them merely draws people into believing the 2-party lie. There is no Repub turf war because the media does not report it as such. Put one and one and one together on your own, and you’ll see what they pretend isn’t happening, for precisely the reason it could blow that party, and the national fascist agenda, up.
OF COURSE Palin is more blatantly rightwing than them. The Repub establishment understands that makes her, and therefore them, ultimately unelectable. She doesn’t care; she’s too dumb to see that. She thinks she has the gravitas to elect crazier Repubs, who answer to her, than establishment Repubs, who hate her for that very reason. Are you yet at capice???
I warned progressives about Obama in 2007. He has always been a closet warmonger, in fact it wasn’t so closeted, see his speech in July ’07 when he excoriated Bush for not bombing Pakistan until it did what we told it. THAT’S the real Obama, led by the politics of global warfare of Zbignieuw Brzezinski. His student has continued buscism as if Jr had been “elected” yet again. But like talking to people on this blog, THEY WOULDN’T FUCKING LISTEN, let alone consider what i was telling them versus the little and inaccurate you and the braindead boob got out of what i wrote.
YES Kerry intentionally blew ’04. YES for the first time ever 3 of the 4 ’08 major candidates were based in states sporting the grand total of SIXTEEN ELECTORAL VOTES, Why? Because electronic voting has finally made the electoral college IRRELEVANT to a ticket’s “election”. McCain did NOT choose Palin, and Obama did NOT choose the Pentagon brownnosing-deluxe unconscious racist he loathed, Biden. These choices were made for them by the powers that funded them. McCain-Palin was chosen to lose to Obama, Why? Because a Democrat could carry on every evil thing Bush started, and automatically mute the protesters against any of it, out of their fear if they opposed his policies, the Repubs would be worse. And watch, i have been telling everyone since before Obama was elected that he will be RE-elected, so precious is he to Wall Street and the defense industry who together have not been bucked and have run this country since JFK, whom they and theirs decapitated.
Not bragging, because i was drubbed, but i ran 3 times in the last decade for federal office in Vermont to spread 9/11 awareness, including how 9/11 could not have been orchestrated without being first signed off, probably in blood, by the Democratic leadership, and the media which was, after the first few hours of 9/11, 100% in the bag. (A few bone fides.)
I am confident the Repubs are scheduled to again lose, electronically if necessary, in ’12 to Obama, who does for war and Deeperession what no Republican can without an avalanche of protest unseen since Bush-Cheney were stymied over their last year in office, under the reality no one can lead a govt unless he has a certain percentage of the population behind him. Obama ENABLES the Repub agenda. The Repub agenda is set and carried out naziistically efficiently by the Repub establishment. Palin’s insurgency is a threat to the continuation of their planning of their agenda. The Repub estab knows she is preceived as so laughably toxic outside DC her insurgency cannot win over enough of the public to stay within the 5% necessary to make it electronically possible to believably flip an election she is involved in on the national scale. She is her own Christine O’Donnell on that stage. But amongst the crazies she leads, she’s Joan of Arc. And the Repub establishment cannot countenance her ascension to first among equals in their ranks. Which is why, despite the fact they are going to lose to Obama in ’12, just as Kerry knew he was in ’04, and i maintain Gore knew he was to Bush unless he signed off on 9/11 first, which at the end he refused, they want to orchestrate it by controlling the agenda Obama is to follow in the meantime, and beyond. NOT with the relative insanity the TPers prefer, at which most Americans are aghast. She upsets their agenda’s applecart. They don’t know how it could evolve if she ascended to power AMONG THEM, for she is ultimately unelectable.
I think the plan calls for a Repub who may be our first military dictator in ’16. Her interference could conceivably cause their collapse instead.
What i have been trying to get across, like 15 times now, is that this Repub infighting is a golden opportunity to make massive mischief, by urging the TPers to see their party establishment as evil to them as it is in fact, to get them to split the party as deeply as possible, and so disrupt and even cause the shitcanning of the Republican agenda and philosophical control of this govt, knowing as we should the TPers and Palin are ultimately unelectable, and therefore not the threat to us, but to themselves, their party, which they are too emotionally mad to grasp, as they fight with our encouragment all the way down the toilet they would swirl within. Verbal comfort and aid to nutty TPers is the only way we can effect exactly what the Repub agenda-setters fear most.
Who knows, if our side encouraged them to step up their revolt against their establishment, SANITY might break out as the result. Doing so certainly, AT LEAST, throws a roadblock at the Repub establishment.
I hope you grasp the depth of the infighting going on between Palin & the TPers and the Repub establishment. IF you do, WHEN you do, you’ll vividly see the opportunity i have been so poor at trying to get across.
You keep talking about “republican agenda setters”
Do you know who Scoop Jackson was? Ever heard of Bill Clinton or Soros?
This isn’t a republican agenda as you seemed to understand when you were running in 2008.
Besides, even if you could promote some kind of mutiny in the republican party, what makes you think voting makes a difference anyway? Ever heard of Alvin Greene? And that was the Democratic Party that did that to one of their own so that a corporatist republican could keep his seat.
They are painting Palin as a “victim” so morons like the guy above are actually fooled into thinking she is “anti-establishment”. But guess what? They still shove her down our throat and give her free press. There is not “infighting”, it is pro wrestling. The woman cant make a youtube video without EVERY media outlet giving her airtime. She could not be more establishment. Palin would be just like Bush(and Obama for that matter) in that she would make the PERFECT puppet for the warmongers. She shares their blood thirst.
THE TEA PARTY IS THE ESTABLISHMENT and most people who consider themselves tea partiers voted for Bush, loved his wars, love Obamas wars and drone strikes and will vote for yet another Republican in 2012 instead of an actual anti-establishment candidate. They are Becktard dupes. Literally all of the tea party Republicans just elected to Congress share the Republican/Democratic establishments agenda of endless war/defense spending. More of the same. What don’t you understand about that?
You are of such ego, you’re mentally constipated. First, ever imagine anyone could possibly know more than you, who completely ignore the facts of the Repub infighting apparently because you didn’t hear about it on Olbermann?
Could you ever imagine i knew more about Scoop Jackson than you? of course the Dems way back were rightwing corporatists. BUT there are no Scoops in the Dems who set the agenda since 2000! Bush was set up by his daddy to win the election and take it WAY the fuck beyond NAFTA-loving Bill Clinton, you goof. Who was in charge and who was not when 9/11 came down? Ever hear of the neocons, jerk? Ever come across how they dominated the Repubs and so then the Dems, fool? Were you in 3rd grade when THAT Repub agenda TOOK CHARGE, and Dems meekly followed it, idiot? And still do, moron. Everything the Dems have done this century have been started by the Repub agenda-setters, or are you too dumb or too young not to grasp that?
The Dems have a slightly different pov, as led by Bzrezinksi, ever hear of him, dumbo? Ever been aware of his speeches in testimony in DC during Bush II when he OUTLINED the change in foreign policy that would take place post-neocon? Clearly not. Ever read the voluminous reasons he laid forth to stop Israeli pressure on this administration to bomb Iran, imbecile? Of course you haven’t. Or you’d know Soros is a fucking bit player in the background. Did you know you were that ignorant?
But the basic agenda IS AND REMAINS written and promoted nonstop through Congress by the Republicans, not the rightwing Dems. I bet you have no clue the Repubs were actually in favor of the insurance bill they said they were against. Didn’t know that, didja? Cuz you were studiously learning under Olbermann, who also had no clue.
IF you could read, and absorb, which you cannot, you would have read what i wrote about electronic voting, retard, how voting DOESN’T matter UNLESS the false victor is outside an approximate 5% range of the last polls just before the election. Ever hear of that, infant? Can you think how the politics of campaigning must be jiggered constantly in order to keep the electronic winner within range of winning, or his election becomes so suspect the jig is up and the people do not accept him, you never figured that out, didja, numbskull? or much of anything beyond the TYPICALLY simplistic dipshit blogger you obviously are.
To answer your dumb question, Yes i knew of Alvin Greene, and his ridiculous campaign, who, can you imagine, numbnut, how the Repubs flipped his primary election so DeMint could easily slaughter an unemployed guy who lives with his dad?? Are you that dumb to use him as an example as one abandoned by the Dems so they could get DeMint back in? Hey—who set that agenda, hm? Ya think the Dems came up with the plan to get DeMint in? Ever think they were following the Repub plan to get a Repub in? Or can you grasp such heady analysis? And you use THAT as your example how the Repub agenda was not being followed last year?! You give a bad rep to mental midgets everywhere.
Hey, ever hear how when Bush and Nader each failed to file in time in Illinois and Florida to get on the ’04 ballot, how the Dems filed a brief with the election officials in each of those states SUPPORTING them giving an extension to Bush and DENYING one to Nader? Gee, child, guess whose agenda the Dems were following? Note, because you don’t know, they gave Bush the WH that year. Do ya think [?] they were following the Dem agenda? Or the Repub one?
With brainless assholes like you, this nation is permanently doomed. Good luck on your brain transplant.
and immediately you turn into a name calling troll. what a surprise.
talk about dumb…
For your information it was the Clinton New Dems that pulled that little rig off. And was the South Carolina Democrats who voted to kill Vic Rawls’ appeal even after Alvin Greene didn’t even show up for the hearing and the vote.
and you blame the republicans?
you really haven’t done your research on me have you?
no matter… have a nice day and keep pushing for those neoliberal dems or changing the system from the inside. maybe you’ll get a paycheck out of it and a pension for life. who knows. You been trying since, what, 2004? good luck with that.
also noticed you are locked up with Pilots for 911 truth. You and John Lear and Dwain Deets huh? Do you like to wear a tin foil hat like Lear does for photos or do you support CIT’s “flyover” theory like Dwain Deets?
And aren’t you the same guy who supposedly signed the now infamous “Kennebunkport warning” letter claiming you had some evidence of an imminent false flag operation? Did you call out those anti-war activists for saying they didn’t sing that letter?
How about Lyndon LaRouche? You got any contacts with him? I know he and his people are dead set against tying the Clintons in with this current situation. Any ties there?
How about Laurie Dobson, Bruce Marshall? Weren’t they connected with LaRouche?
How about Judy Woods and her “ray beams from Space” crap? did you support that? I think you did…
You also went on to claim that you know Cindy signed that letter, didn’t you?
oooooooo nooooooooo…..
Weren’t you expelled from the Vermont Green Party because you were actually fronting for that nut job Lyndon LaRouche?
I think so…
ow…ooo… ouch… wowie… eek
and are you still running a website trying to collect money by claiming you are with the Green Party? I think you are… the donation button still work? Are you still selling those DVDs you made for $10 bucks each? I think you are… “Please also note that donations above and beyond the cost of the video are greatly appreciated.” Craig Hill
Wow, he fell for the tea party fraud AND Judy Woods disinfo. Such a diverse range of idiocy.
LOL, Hey Willy and Chris…. you all nailed that guy….
he sure is a foul mouth one.
I think he pretty much nailed himself. And in fairness, I’m kind of a foul mouth as well
Lyndon LaRouche… what a nut job.
I am sitting here watching a speech he made yesterday in which he is claiming that the ONLY problem with this country is the president and that Obama is a “gone bunny”… whatever the hell that means.
He does say that Glass Steagall has to be reinstated and he is right about that. He is anti-free market apparently and that is good and he was against the Obamacare bill.
he is kinda saying if the US goes down the entire world goes down… bit of a variation of American Exceptionalism if you ask me…
he keeps saying that we have to get rid of Obama and then everything will be ok. He wants to use the 25th Amendment, section 4 which is basically used if the president is ill. This would make Joe “You don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist” Biden the president and probably get Hilary Clinton as vice president. That’s a cozy little idea isn’t it?
kinda like what the globalists did in Astrailia, wasn’t it? Rudd wasn’t moving fast enough on the austerity measures, and they got some loop-hole in the constitution to kick him out as well. Like a corporate takeover replacing the CEO.
“Willyloman”, i don’t care about your misinformation and crap you claim must be so about me, as if you would know, as you collect garbage and declare it true gold. Except where you foolishly swallow whole the horseshit that came from a nut called Steve Ekberg, in what he called the BURLINGTON Green Party, which did not exist except in his head and was never a legal entity, and his false attack on me as a Larouchey, which i never have been and never would be. Webster Tarpley, who i’m sure you smugly would claim you’re so superior to, you really do carry around the fool’s gold of an ego, still also gets accused by other nitwits of the same lie, even tho he denounced Larouche over 30 years ago.
FTR i do not join, and have myself attacked, to their faces, the cult of personality of the Laroucheys, who are robots wired to genuflect to the ravings of their nutcake, who invents bullshit almost at the rate you do. So you can go suck on that, liar.
As for Judy Wood, you have absolutely no clue of the evidence she accrued of the properties of the weapons used on Bldgs 1-6 on 9/11, and you don’t even know what i’m talking about or you woldn’t have brought it up so pseudo-knowingly. 9/11 was among other acts of treason an exhibition to be witnessed by all other governments on Earth by this one, as follows: If you think we would not shoot SDI weaponry from orbit at you and annihilate your cities if you try to oppose us and get in our way, see what we did to our OWN people.
As it is, this govt you defend by attacking its attacker, like the typical smartass more interested in tearing down the wrong targets than the ones causing all the misery, has nuclear weapons as well in orbit, pointed at Beijing and Moscow, among many other cities also kept in a state of terror.
If you ever investigated any of it, and stopped relying on the 3rd-hand lies of others, like the non-investigator you are, you would find those weapons used on 9/11 reduced the mass of the debris to such a degree the totality of the rubble of the two 95-story towers was LESS than that of the rubble of 47-story Bldg 7, which was not obliterated by those weapons. Another fact, of course, you did not know. And that a car and a fire truck, with their chrome door handles missing, can be seen in the NY state museum in Albany, as i have seen them, just as Judy Wood showed in 1000s of photos taken on 9/11 of 100s of cars also missing their chrome, which give non-snotty and real investigators massive evidence of the effect of those weapons.
FTR, in opposition to your lackadaisically inaccurate assertions, the Green Party of Vermont was infiltrated by Democrats and others to destory it from within, and stop those of us who were informing as much of the population we could reach in Vermont and beyond of the treason the nation suffered on 9/11, which i have no doubt dwarfs your lack of effort to do so on an exponential level. To listen to the peanut gallery populated by your ilk, you would always be so much more successful at it, had you ever tried.
My video Treason Inc, which always received respectable praise, was KEPT at a price of $10 to defray the 100 + hours it took to produce, and was never, as you so smarmily insinuate, designed to suck money out of people as a profit-making device. The “donation button” does NOT work, asshole, as by the end of 2006 i had taken down that site.
The liars who claimed they did not sign the Kennebunkport letter have long since admitted in print they actually did, as i knew they had, pretending they didn’t so they would not be attacked as 9/11 kooks. Typical of the American people, who hide their head up their ass rather than expose the evil destroying the planet. What’s your excuse?? You’re a miserable zero who never tried to accomplish anything of note, as you know, except attack those who did, scribbling away like a typist.
And your defense of your use of Alvin Greene as evidence of a Democratic agenda is still ridiculously embarrassing. As you also know. You are pathetic.
Fuck you very much.
‘Lying”?
1. Did the Green Party go to the extraordinary step to list you on their website as someone not associated with the party or not?
2. Is your website still up selling your videos and asking for “donations” over and above the cost of the film?
3. Did you not work with other known LaRouche supporters (Tarpley was just one of them) on the whole Kennebunkport Warning bullshit?
4. Do you not support the obvious disinfo shill, Judy Wood, and her “ray beams from space” crap?
seems to me like these things I said are all true. Even confirmed by you here.
“as by the end of 2006 i had taken down that site”
Actually, if you had taken down that site as you claim, how would I have just linked to it.
And now it is you who are lying…
When you try to claim that Cindy Sheehan admitted to knowingly signing the bullshit “warning” of yours and Webster’s, then I know that what you are is the same as what you have always been.
You and your fake Green party buddies tried to hijack that Party in Vermont and create dissension.
You did the exact same thing with the Truth Movement…
and how do I know?
Because that is EXACTLY what you were talking about doing with the Tea Party and the republican Party.
What you were claiming in your earlier comment was that we had an opportunity to influence Tea Party participants, get them stirred up, and cause disruption in the republican Party. That’s exactly what you said above.
You sir, are a career “disruptor”… that is what you were advocating in your comment above. In fact, you were probably just looking for co-conspirators to help out, just like you and you’re other LaRouche buddies have been doing for years. But guess what? Most people don’t think that way, and as you can tell from their polite declining of your offer, they can see through what you are. just like I can. That’s all you are is a disruptor and it angers you to realize that people don’t want to participate in your backhanded, stab-in-the-back, trollish, behavior.
And that seems to be what you have been doing over the years to the Green Party in Vermont, the Truth Movement, and anything else you get involved in.
Pretty sad that the best thing you can do for whatever cause you follow is try and fuck-up everybody else’s work.
Just like always, you are a waste of time. The Truth Movement figured your little scheme out long ago, so did the Greens in Vermont. You tried to advance your own personal agenda using 9/11 Truth as a platform. Figured you could at least get a public office out of it… but you failed and the different groups who took you in and were nice to you to start with, eventually got tired of listening to your whiny crap when you didn’t get your way.
Took them a lot more time than it took me, but I guess you aren’t your same old charming self like you once were I suppose. Now you’re just an angry, bitter old man, who won’t listen to anyone because he thinks he knows everything there is to know.
Goodbye Mr. Hill. Enjoy the special little slice of hell you have made for yourself.
People here are capable of having a discussion without having to resort to the favored tactics of 6-year-olds and senile angry old men.
You go over to Judy Wood’s old website and haunt those halls with the one or two other idiots who haven’t figured out what she is yet… we have better things to work on.