by Scott Creighton
I just have to ask, is there anything, anything, that billionare Sumner Redstone’s progressive propaganda tag-team of Jon Stewart & Stephen Colbert won’t do to help turn the supposed left 180 degrees from positions they held during the previous administration?
I have written several times about Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert turning into blatant propagandists since the Chosen One took office.
For example: there’s the time Jon Stewart played the MEMRI TV video demonizing Palestinians, Stephen Colbert’s recent revolting sucking-up to globalist Joe Biden, there was Stewart’s story about the South Park episode psyop involving Revolution Muslim which turns out to be run by a “converted” jewish ex-settler from the West Bank, Stephen’s sycophantic groveling and rebranding the Afghan occupation just after Obama took office, and then of course Stewart’s ambushing of Rod Blagojevich which I thought was a pretty odd position for a “progressive” to take after he practically gave back rubs and “happy endings” to each and every neocon that has come on his set to pimp their new books or try to rebrand themselves as anything but the war criminals they are. That list includes but is not limited to Bill Kristol, Ari Fleischer, John Bolton, Douglas Feith, Thomas Friedman, Tom Ridge, and John Yoo. Each and every one of the previously named neocons and or war criminals, Jon Stewart treated with more respect than he did Rod Blagojevich who’s only crime was to threaten Bank of America if they didn’t live up to the conditions of the banker bailout bill.
Recently these two progressive shills have each taken on a new directive which certainly lives up to their pathetic performances in the past.
Jon Stewart is now involved in what he calls the “Million Moderates March” and the premise of this is that everyone who is anyone in America these days is a “centrist” or a “moderate” and that only the “fringe” are getting any attention.
Centrism i,s of course, just another name for the Washington Consensus, which is neoliberal/DLC “New Dem” corporatist fiscal ideology.
I seriously doubt that Stewart is correct in that assumption considering so many people are suffering under this economy, but since he recently had to grovel at the ultimate neoliberal’s feet (Bill Clinton), its not surprising that he would come out with this “move to the center” propaganda. Also interesting to note that he announced this new propaganda effort the same day he had Clinton on his show.
What is surprising is that Stewart chastised the radical left for holding such beliefs as “George Bush is a war criminal” and called to “restore sanity” on Oct. 30th 2010.
He later labeled it a “Million Moderate March.” The purpose, he said, is to counter what he called a minority of 15 percent or 20 percent of the country that has dominated the national political discussion with extreme rhetoric. He tarred both parties with that charge, mentioning both the attacks on the right against President Obama for being everything from a socialist to un-American and on the left against former President Bush for being a war criminal. Glenn Greenwald
Greenwald also noted Stewart’s history of aiding neocons with their image rebranding and book sales, though he doesn’t draw any conclusions about it like I do. Very polite of him if you ask me.
… but far more important than tone, in my view, is content. For instance, Bill Kristol, a repeated guest on The Daily Show, is invariably polite on television, yet uses his soft-spoken demeanor to propagate repellent, destructive ideas. The same is true for war criminal John Yoo, who also appeared, with great politeness, on The Daily Show. Moreover, some acts are so destructive and wrong that they merit extreme condemnation (such as Bush’s war crimes). Glenn Greenwald
Personally, I have to agree with Mr. Greenwald in that certain actions merit extreme condemnation (like impeachment and imprisonment) and to that list I would like to toss out 1. lying 935 times to justify an illegal war which has killed over a million Iraqi people and dislocated about 4 million others, 2. creating false documents (Niger Yellow Cake) like the neocons at the Office of Special Plans did to justify an illegal war, 3. torture, 4. rendition, 5. secret prisons, 6. CIA backed mercenary death squads 7. depleted uranium spread across Iraq … I mean, if these actions don’t merit calling George W. Bush (and several of Jon Stewart’s recent guests) a war criminal, what does?
Is turning a blind eye to such atrocities and war crimes really “sanity” or is it something else?
“After years of disclosures by government investigations, media accounts and reports from human rights organizations, there is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes,” Taguba wrote. “The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account.” Glenn Greenwald
It’s clear that Stewart is doing his part to help the globalist regime in charge whitewash the past 10 years. He’s actually helping to rewrite our collective history on these matters and turn “moderate” progressives, those with their heads buried in the sand, against those “fringe” elements who tried to demand justice and accountability from the previous administration. If anything proves Jon Stewart’s complicity in the globalist criminal actions, this is certainly it.
Colbert is certainly not being left out in the cold either. He just recently “testified” before a congressional sub-committee in congress speaking out in favor of the precursor to the Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill being pushed by the Obama/Clinton regime but it was actually a holdover from the George Bush administration, that little tidbit they don’t like to mention too much these days. They also don’t like to hear the word “amnesty” tossed out in these congressional hearings, judging from a Democrat’s behavior.
Colbert’s presence at the hearing was insulting to say the least.
His presence was insulting to the congress members who were there and insulting to any intellectually honest American who would be offended that a paid comedian who has been shilling for his globalist boss would actually be asked to join in on any part of a serious discussion of the matter.
John Conyers, to his credit, asked Colbert to submit his “testimony” for the record and excuse himself before the hearing took place. He politely reminded Stephen he had nothing of value to add to the discussion, but Colbert couldn’t resist the spotlight and all the play he could get out of the stunt, so he remained but he was clearly shaken that someone there reminded him in public that his presence was nothing more than a PR stunt. He felt foolish and it showed. It was an embarrassing thing to watch, and if you absolutely have to, here it is.
Colbert’s qualifications for being at the hearing was apparently centered around the fact that his film crew and he went out to an upstate New York farm where they filmed him acting like a completely spoiled, lazy American who couldn’t do the work a 65-year-old man sitting on his ass and picking beans in the field could do. Of course, the 65 year old man is here illegally so somehow that makes him capable of doing something a 30-year-old unemployed American can’t do. That’s pretty much the sum total of Stephen Colbert contribution to the discussion.

unemployed Americans can't do the work this 65-year-old Mexican can do while sitting on his ass in a field
The Ag Jobs Bill this committee is discussing is an effort supported by big US agriculture and other major corporations and in essence it would create an official 2nd class citizen status in America for these seasonal migrant workers and give them credit for the years they have worked in the agricultural industry toward a “path toward citizenship” (in short - coming to America illegally to work for slave-wages for 3 years would put them ahead of Mexicans who apply for citizenship legally and have to wait for 6 to 8 years for a green card) . It would also help create an increase in surplus labor which would certainly only serve to drive wages in the agricultural sector to near record lows. But it’s not only the agriculture industry that would be effected as Dr. Carol Swain pointed out during the committee hearing since many of the illegals once here, migrate out of the fields and into other, low skilled jobs, which only serves again to create a labor surplus in those fields and thus even more reductions in pay. The bill will give these slave-citizens the right to organize, a right they actually already have, but since the head of the UFW is clearly in bed with big agriculture here in America, that is like giving autoworkers the “right” to be represented by the UAW… and we all know what that has been good for recently.
Colbert’s testimony has been widely panned and with good reason.
Colbert’s “testimony” was painful to watch and adding insult to injury were his two staff members sitting behind him who clearly understood their little stunt wasn’t going as well as they had imagined it would. Life’s a little harder when you don’t have a studio audience being prompted by electric signs to laugh and applaud when they are told to. It’s also harder when your boss is sitting in front of you pretending like he had something to add to the hearing when he didn’t.
“Maybe this Ag Jobs bill would help. I don’t know. Like most members of congress, I haven’t read it. But maybe we could offer more visas to the immigrants, who, let’s face it, will probably be doing these jobs anyway. And this improved legal status might allow immigrants recourse if they’re abused. And it just stands to reason to me that if your co-worker can’t be exploited then you are less likely to be exploited and that itself might improve pay and working conditions on these farms and eventually Americans may consider taking these jobs again.” Stephen Colbert
In the history of convoluted logic, this stands in a seminal position in our recent congressional record, right up there with the healthcare bill being called the best thing for Americans since the New Deal, I suppose.
The Ag Jobs bill is easy to find so there is no excuse for Stephen Colbert not to have read it, since it is the subject of his “testimony” before congress. The man had zero qualifications for being there and the least he could have done is read the bill. But he didn’t.
Basically, the bill itself is a holdover from the Bush administration that was tweaked and then submitted in May of 2009 just after the new neoliberal regime took office. It establishes a legal 2nd class citizen role by handing out what they call “blue cards” to certain migrant agricultural workers which locks them into a subservient role similar to the old feudal state. They basically have to take what they are given and STFU because if they get tossed out of the program, fired from the job, they get deported back to Mexico with nothing.
And it’s not just them. The bill creates a “derivative” legal status for the “blue card” worker’s wife and children which essentially means they can’t be deported even if they are here illegally, just so long as the worker behaves himself. Imagine the threat of having yourself and your entire family deported simply because you speak up for better working conditions or more pay. Quite a threat to be leveled at the worker, quite an incentive to take what he is given and shut up… and this is what the “progressive” left and Stephen Colbert are fighting for?
That’s neoliberalism folks.
This country has struggled for 200 years to earn the rights of each and every human being; to end the idea that there is a second class citizen status in America. People have marched, protested, fought and died for that prinicple. And here we have the “progressive” champion Stephen Colbert arguing for the creation of a second class citizenship of slave workers in America.
If you really want to understand what this is all about, you should have a listen to the testimony of Dr. Carol Swain from Vanderbilt University, a labor rights expert and activist of over 20 years. She used to be considered a hero on the left when she was railing against the injustices of the Bush administration but now that the Obama/Clinton neoliberal regime has taken office, she is vilified on the right AND left for fighting the same good fight.
Unlike Colbert, Dr. Swain has earned her right to testify before congress on this subject and her words prove it.
“I contend that America does not have a shortage of agricultural workers, instead we have a manufactured crisis by some who would like to ensure a steady supply of cheap labor and in some cases labor that bi-passes the H2A and H2B visa programs. … these unemployment numbers indicate there are native agricultural workers actively seeking employment in the sector… America cannot continue to bring in low skilled workers to compete with the most disadvantaged Americans…. nor can it continue to turn a blind eye to illegal immigration. Often surplus labor that starts in the fields migrates into other industries. Without surplus labor, employers would be forced to pay higher wages and many would be forced to improve substandard working conditions… the UFW ‘Take Our Jobs” initiative has not, in my opinion, made a serious effort to recruit American workers, this is a publicity stunt…. the rapid influx of cheap labor from foreign countries creates an over-supply of labor that works against the interests of native workers, it depresses their wages, it reduces their opportunities, and it deters employers from investing in native human capital…. this is a disgrace. Congress needs to reform immigration and they need to protect the most disadvantaged Americans.” Dr. Carol Swain
Once this bill is passed, and it will be, it’s impact on the already suffering disadvantaged in America will be staggering. There is also nothing that states that other industries won’t push for a similar bill regarding the H2B workers. The bill calls for the agricultural workers to put in 150 days per year and that of course frees them up to work in other industries the remaining 200+. The spouses of these workers will also be free to work in the country under their “derivative” status, which of course will only help to further undermine native workers wage structure even more.
There is nothing humanitarian or “progressive” about this bill, yet that won’t stop the “moderates” on the left from getting behind it simply because Stephen Colbert showed up at congress and made a fool out of himself. And that of course was the whole point.
As the neocon/neoliberal agenda moves on, shills like Stewart and Colbert are doing their part to rebrand the cruelty and inhumanity of their corporatist agenda to make it palatable to their audience; the left. These two recent propaganda efforts only prove how tightly the threads of “centrism” are woven in our dominating culture.
But they also show something else. That it only takes a few minutes, a little research and effort, to expose the fraudulent nature of their work. The emptiness that fills their words. While Stewart argues for the whitewashing of the Bush regime’s history and Colbert clowns for the creation of an indentured servant class of slave labor, each and every remaining liberal gets a little closer to seeing them for what they are; a clearer picture of the puppets and their masters.
We won’t be fooled again.
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BRAVO, John Conyers for rightly calling out Colbert (ok son, now “excuse yourself” and “leave the committee room completely”). And with such dignity! That’s what you would want and expect from any responsible government official, hardly news. Really, anybody with any sense of decency or civic duty should have walked after those stern and stirring words from Rep. Conyers.
What a contrast to the vacuous theatrics of Obama, warmongering at the UN. Thanks willyloman. Great analysis, as usual.
Cheers,
Scott
thank you Scott
And I would add, Bravissimo! Dr. Carol Swain for supporting higher wages and workers’ rights, and standing up to Rep. Conyers…
She also dared to use the dreaded “amnesty” word and you can see the reaction that got from the democrats.
Ditto to what Scott Norsworthy commented…..
brave woman……. was thinking while Colbert, the wimp, was doing his disgusting cheap theatrics, that i bet Dr. Swain wanted to knock the corn out of Colbert and I bet she could have too……
Great post, Willy…Thank you…Blessings
Yes! wimp, disgusting, and cheap all apply. As a fan of satire and despiser of O’Reilly and such, I have in the past wanted to give Colbert plenty of room to work. But this “in character” thing is more than played out, and as willyloman is showing, one needs to look at the real aims and beneficiaries of the “comedy.” I notice now apologists for Colbert making the predictable point: oh not to worry, it’s all a brilliantly crafted joke at the expense of those idiot Republicans. But like Willy says, the point of the joke is to legitimize and promote cheap labor pools and associated violations of human rights and dignity.
Weird how over time the corporate establishment always seems to absorb certain displays of satire and even satirists themselves. This hit me a few weeks ago at the post office, when after telling the man I would take whatever they had in the way of stamps, they handed me two sheets of…The Simpsons!
Once upon a time, Matt Groening’s work (remember “Life in Hell”?) was edgy and subversive, not at all “conventional” –but that was a century ago, I know.
I actually asked for the Simpsons stamps!
Excellent analysis, I learned a lot.
I used to love the Comedy Central duo, now they’re just meh, I haven’t watched them since the big O took office.
And Colbert’s exhibition the other day was pathetic. I didn’t understand the reason for it at all. Your analysis helped me understand it a bit better.
THANK YOU!
I was coming to the same conclusion…
Hell will be an endless loop of 24, Jon Stewart and Colbert.
I stopped watching those dumb fucks shows because they are owned by the Zionist Jews and they hate Islam and Muslims.I pray for Jon Stewarts [edit] and for Colbert I hope he gets captured by the Taliban on his next trip.
I used to love Colbert, especially after his incredible performance at the WH Correspondence dinner. But he showed his true colors when he allowed the Israeli Ambassador on his show to spew the lies of the Flotilla incident and then, of course, didn’t follow that up with an interview with any Flotilla peace-activist that was actually on board. As for Stewart, he recent bits on South Park, the Flotilla and Helen Thomas were disgusting!! Bill Mahar too, his movie completely gave Judaism a pass, while branding all Muslims as terrorists and editing the Torah Jews against Zionism guy to make him look like a complete idiot. Even though they are dead, I stick with Bill Hicks and George Carlin.
[edit - let's not be calling for that now. be nice or at least, nicer than that...]
I totally agree. Colbert should not have been given the time to say what he said. In fact, there should not have been a hearing for him to attend in the first place. It is apparent that those of you on this site want something done. I agree. So encourage your local law enforcement, congressman etc. to start having these illegals rounded up and put into those freshly made camps that are all over the country. Just round them all up including all of their families/children and lock them up prior to them being shipped back to their respective countries. Before they are released though you have to finish a wall across the entire southern border to keep them out once and for all. The entire thing should only cost about 20 billion or so, give or take a few billion. Money well spent to ensure those illegals are not making the money they are now paid. I am sure once they are all gone, regular americans will not hesitate to jump right into those open positions and harvest those crops.
Actually, if you believe the government stats (I don’t know why anyone would) then about 55% of the ag workers these days are undocumented and that of course means that 45% are US born or here legally.
According to the UFW’s own numbers, 3 million people responded to the “Take OUr Jobs” program…
the UFW, again their own numers, weeded out the “unserious” inquiries, and got them down to about 80k or so…
so that means the UFW, an organization that has a financial stake in getting this legislation passed, weeded out 97% of the applications in their “Take Our Jobs” program based on their own criteria.
No one here is calling for a wall… but since you mention it, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill actually is, or at least billions more in money for “electronic surviellance” and drones at the border…
and no one is calling for rounding up people and putting them in camps…
least of all Dr. Swain or us…
but we are calling for enforcing the laws we already have on the books.
that seem to much to ask?
and don’t you worry about them “crops”
once the surplus of cheap labor is gone, the growers will be forced to pay a living wage and maintain standard working conditions.
or do you not understand market fundamentals.
Actually I understand it perfectly. Do you understand human nature? Humans are naturally a lazy species. We will always allow someone else to do the things we don’t like to do. Hey, some people like to pick fruit etc. Most do not and no matter how much you pay them, they won’t do the jobs cause they don’t want to. The ONLY way you will get them out there is if they are starving….then you don’t have to pay them anything and they will beg you to allow them to pick or they will just take it by force. Other than that scenario happening, the crops will rot on the trees etc. Good luck with that.
what exactly qualifies as “things we don’t like to do”? There are people all over this country doing jobs right now they “don’t want to do”, so exactly what are you talking about?
You pay people a living wage and give them a good working envirnment, people will take the work no matte how hard it is… because they need the work… they want to work.
Now the “ONLY” way you can seriously depress the overall standard of living for lower and working class of a nation is to flood that nation with a surplus of cheap, semi-skilled labor and force them to compete for the jobs by accepting lower and lower wages.
This is neoliberalism and one of its pillars is open border policies so that this very thing can happen.
You act as though picking fruit is the hardest job there is in this country. Not true. Try working in a foundry or hanging iron 60 stories above pavement and concrete. try king crab fishing in the Bering Sea in the winter. try shingling houses or even framing in South Carolina in the summer.
I’ll tell you what… try running up 110 stories of the World Trade Center to save lives on Sept. 11th 2001….
those are tough fucking jobs. Picking fruit is tough, but not tougher than what other Americans do every single day to provide for their families and I promise you, you pay people a living wage and open those jobs up to unemployed Americans rather than letting the sell-outs at the UFW weed them out, and you will get all the native workers you need to keep the “crops from rotting on the Trees”.
Wait a minute, Billy, crops have been picked and took to market for over a hundred years….. oh yeah, that was when farmers owned their land and planted it and harvested it…. we had huge farmer markets ….. fresh veggies and fruit…… that was before the seed companies forced farmers to buy new seed (had congress make a special law) every year…. that was before the seed was ‘designed’ and before famers began to lose their lands because they couldn’t replant from their previous crops ……
I never met a lazy farmer….. met a few lazy office workers.
yeah Jan, but before that, greedy plantation owners used a little thing called “slaves”, and they could turn out tremendous profits back in those days.
Hell, same thing being set up now by Bill Clinton and the corporate farms in Haiti.
Ultimately this is what Billy here is arguing for. He doesn’t care that American farms used to be productive and still paid a good wage… to Billy, those days are gone never to come back.
You guys are hilarious……great talking points.
Those jobs you mentioned…do you think everyone would want to do them?
Hmmmmm, slaves….there is an idea. Why don’t we just bring back slavery? You could pretend the south won. Just an idea.
The zionist shills are coming out from under the rocks. Check Out … http://www.ABBC.net … Conspiracy …. zionism …
That’s right Billy, cus everyone who disagrees with your position on this MUST be a racist, right? Is that where you are going now, thinly veiled ad hominems?
The Sayanim protect Israel, whether its left right or center- Noam Chomsky, Naomi Klein, Amy Goodman, Colbert, Greenwald etc. They control ALL sides of the debate. Why do jews have a monopoly of the media? Its certainly NOT due to talent or higher intelligence- as we can indisputably see based on their below-mediocre media products.
they win through bribery, corruption, smear campaigns, black lists, censorship and the always-wielded persecution card.
WAKE UP and ACT UP!
Until this nation demands diversity in its information industries instead of a tiny ethnic minority of jews and their frontmen controlling the entire discourse in a country of 315 million (of which they’re only 3% of pop.) NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE.
you’re an idiot, if you don’t understand satire, give up on life. the fact that you think this agjobs bill will somehow hurt us means you weren’t raised on a damn farm and don’t know what the hell you’re speaking about. the next time you talk you should learn what real Americans think. until then, shut your whore for money face. damn reporters don’t know anything anymore.
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I was watching The Daily Show over here the other night (I’m from the UK).
I sat there speaking over the TV, so that my mates didn’t swallow his bullshit. It makes me so angry – his ‘sheen’ of being a liberal gives him such credibility amongst braindead lefties.
On the show he had an acted-out exchange on the panel between a ‘Christian’ and a ‘Muslim’, wherein every negative stereotype of Muslims was invoked (violent, fanatical etc). Trying to reinforces the ‘Clash of Civilisations’ myth that’s so important to get consent for American wars in Muslim lands.
And of course he dutifully indulged in the Qur’an burning and Park 51 distractions, and he brandished his ’9/11 was an outside job’ sign. Boy, Cheney must have been glowing with pride.
Is there anything more frustrating and nauseating than listening to smug lefty sheep thinking they’re all ‘enlightened’ listening and laughing along to Stewart, blissfully unaware that they’re being brainwashed just like the intellectual infants that Fox suckles its propaganda to. I live with one (he’s American btw), and I can tell you it f*cking kills me!
DC,
Long live Hicks and Carlin! Damn, if they were around right now they’d be on fire.
“Is there anything more frustrating and nauseating than listening to smug lefty sheep thinking they’re all ‘enlightened’ listening and laughing along to Stewart, blissfully unaware that they’re being brainwashed just like the intellectual infants that Fox suckles its propaganda to.”
I have to admit its worse than back in the days when I was battling with neocon apologists.
In those days it was an ideological argument, today, its just a matter of reality. These “progressives” just keep refusing to see what is right in front of their own eyes.
I was tossed out of a website I helped create back before the elections of 2008 because I had come to the conclusion that Obama might be worse than Bush in that he would continue the same policies without resistance from the left and would thereby normalize the criminality.
That was a “progressive” news site then…. now they have open topic chats about nothing and post “moderate” political cartoons all day. Sad really, what these once determined anti-war activists have allowed themselves to become…
and that’s probably the worst part of it all… I know these people were something better… once.
Besides the fact that Colbert’s testimony was satire (ie. his character is an ignorant idiot right-winger who wouldn’t read a bill YET still talk and ‘argue’ about it) and the fact that the money would have been spent with or without Colbert, he has raised awareness around the immigration issue (positively or negatively) nonetheless.
FYI: Believe it or not there are plenty of American’s doing the jobs “people don’t want to do” to make a living in this country. A job is something you do to make $$$ to get the things you want out of life, i.e. to survive. This new age Oprah mind set that all jobs were meant to be some life altering fulfillment is a load of crap. The elitist ideal that all will go to college and never have to do any menial jobs (including gasp personal chores in their own homes or lives) is what has helped corporations push the notion that we now must have this second class illegal population. To serve all the needs of the country while we all sit back and ‘eat our fat share of the cake’ because that’s the new American dream.
Believe it or not I am well educated and make my living as a maid in this country and gasp am white! My family in Ohio still make a fine living working in the fields and share cropping tobacco. Believe it or not we actually like work and providing for our families. So do millions of other hard working real life Americans of all races. All Colbert’s antics show is how far out of touch many have become with real life in America and the things that once were thought to be the back bone in making it great! Hard work is not slavery( when paid an adequate taxable wage unlike most illegal’s who do not pay taxes and take from systems they do not put into) and the implications that it somehow is shows just how far we have sunk from reality! When did the idea of having it better off than the previous generation of our parents turn into never having to lift a finger in life? Save my tax dollars for something more meaningful than poor satire! Besides he can’t raise awareness when he like many are clueless on the issue of real work in America because they consider it beneath them.
So, the only way to force an increase in wages to make ag and other semi-skilled jobs attractive to “real Americans” is to boot the desperate immigrants and maybe put up a nice separation wall. Such a position aligns well with the racist right. It doesn’t mean you are a racist. It a position of self-concern. It’s us or them and we choose us” right?
Aside: It must be terribly conflicting for pale conservatives to have the strong racist desire to maintain a white majority while also having a strong desire to profit at their expense.
Whether you come from a racist or self-concerned “progressive” motivation, the decision to attack immigrants and prevent immigration is a distraction from holding the profiteers accountable. The right to a living wage should be a human right not just one reserved for “real Americans.”
American policies and corporate agendas prevent the humans who immigrate here from maintaining subsistence in their own countries and then exploit them when they arrive while simultaneously condemning them as criminals. Shouldn’t we concentrate our defenses against the source of the problem rather what they have created?
Well said, Shawn.
Shawn:
“So, the only way to force an increase in wages to make ag and other semi-skilled jobs attractive to “real Americans” is to boot the desperate immigrants and maybe put up a nice separation wall. Such a position aligns well with the racist right”
No one on this site, aside from the obvious troll, is talking about putting up seperation walls and I am going back to look, but I don’t I used the term “real Americans”. Is it really that difficult to address the real points that I and others have brought up? or is it just easier to put words in my mouth?
I’ve got an idea for you… rather than talking about some ambivolent “corporate agenda”, let’s get specific…
let’s repeal NAFTA and GATT and renegociate trade agreements in line with just labor, pollution, and evirnmental standards like we used to back before everything was all about “FREE TRADE”
My guess is, were we too IMPROVE the working conditions of the people living in Mexico, they wouldn’t want to come up here and work like a slave under this new AG Jobs Bill…
but that’s just my guess.
as far as the people here are concerned…
we do have laws you know. and one of those laws states that people need to be either a legal resident of this country, a legal immigrant to this country, or on an active program like the H1A or B program in order to work legally.
Now, things would improve drastically for all those people I just mentioned if law enforcement actually upheld the letter of the law and held the employers accountable for their violations.
But the fact is, in MANY states in this country that doesn’t happen and neither to they “condemning them as criminals” and in MANY states it is actually ILLEGAL for cops to inquire as to the immigration status of someone they pull over for driving without a license or speeding.
That is because the federal government has been protecting their neoliberal open border policy for decades now for the benefit of big business.
Now, that is my position on this issue. Notice that there is no mention of “rounding people up” or “seperation walls” or all the other stereotypical talking points the NEW DEMS use to demonise those of us who are torn by this issue, but see it as only PART of a larger war on the working class of America
Do I think something has to be done about the surplus illegal labor pool that has been gradually undermining the standard of living of the native working class of America? Yes.
But like Dr. Swain, I know that it should be done on a case by case basis, and by a judge who has the descretion to make a ruling about the individual based on the specifics of that person’s case. and of course, they have the right to be fairly represented.
I don’t think everyone should be forced to return but by the same token I also don’t think its fair that someone should be given preference for coming into this country illegally over someone who is applying in their country to do it the right way.
I don’t care what anyone says… if you set up a program that allows unlimited numbers of undocumented workers living here in the states to join a program that will IMMIDIATELY give them a safe “untouchable” status for them and their family, and put them on a “path to citizenship” that puts them in line ahead of others waiting in their home countries… that is called ‘amnesty”… now people can call it whatever they like. they can talk about paying a fine and having to wait 3 years, but if they are given “blue cards” and allowed to reside here safely, without fear of being removed, I don’t think their is anything else you can call it.
but of course the first thing to do is get rid of NAFTA but since that is the basis of all this, and it is ultimately the basis of what Stephen Colbert was ACTUALLY supporting, I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
especially when the talking points simply demonize people like me into mad raving racists who want aparthied walls and NAZI death camps…
Shawn:
You might think that supporting this bill (though its not “perfect” – heard that recently about any other pro-corporate bills) is the best opition right now… the humanitarian thing to do.
but it isn’t.
It was cowritten by big agriculture and its being pushed by the MSM because it serves their neoliberal agenda. And though it is being marketed as some kind of humanitarian effort to make the lives of the undocumented workers better, it really doesn’t
Now, unlike Colbert, I actually read part of it and all of the UFW summary on their site…
… and unlike you, I don’t come at this from a one side or the other red/blue perspective (illustrated by your “racist right” comment)
this bill will create a 2nd class citizen role in the United States of America. I am opposed to that.
It will force people to accept the working conditions they are given, allow them no real way to protest those conditions, and threaten them with the deportation of themselves and their families if they make too many waves.
and in the end, after 3 to 5 years of this kind of living, they may not even get the citizenship status they have been working for (and if I know anything about the corporate agenda you mentioned, I know I wouldn’t trust those bastards to live up to the deal if they can make a dime out of not living up to it)
and on top of all of that… the influx of millions more low-skilled and even skilled workers into this country will only serve to depress wages even more than they are now, so of course that will hurt them, the immigrants already here, and yes, the native workers as well.
there is no upside to this.
except of course the FEELING that people are on the right side of this issue. and based on the kinds of emotional buzzwords you have been falsely attribuiting to this debate on this site, I wouldn’t be surprized if you haven’t been at least affected in some slight way by that element of the propaganda being pushed on the subject.
In short, I have read a good of this bill. I know the root problem is not the people who have been forced to come up here, but instead it is NAFTA and the DEms and REpublicans who pushed it for their corporate buddies…
but, to sit here and say we have to go after globalization rather than this bill is wrong. Look at the site. I have been going after globalization for years now. Look at Global Research and all the other great sites that have been doing the same.
Globalization is the war… the Ag Jobs Bill is a battle. and the Ag Jobs Bill will not help us or the undocumented workers. it only helps big agriculture. so yeah, we have to focus on getting it defeated as one small step in the right direction. NAFTA next.
Scott, not all of my post was directed at you or meant to put words into your mouth. The use of the term “real Americans was used by another poster in this thread. It is a term that is generally surrounded by ignorance. As for the separation wall comment, that describes a potential that the more extreme elements involved in the national debate advocate in the form of a fence and a large enforcement contingent. I only wanted to point out that support for immigration control is taken as a sign of support by those who want to use extreme measures whether or not it really is. I didn’t mention any death camps. You appear to guilty of that which you accuse me of.
As for my political affiliations, I have none. Additionally my support for immigrant rights as humans does not constitute support for the Ag bill or those who support it. Clearly the bill will benefit corporate interests like Monsanto a great deal more than immigrants or American citizens. That’s why I also feel that there is no “right” side in this debate. The passage of this bill would not be a win for morality. On the other hand, if it fails the current immorality of sub-standard wages for all remains and a better solution must be found.
My use of the term racist right refers to a segment of conservatives not all of them and certainly not to you. I should have been more clear, granted. Your accusation that I am on either side of the false red/blue dichotomy or that I am under an “influence” is unfounded at least to the degree that anyone can say they are not influenced. The influence I feel comes from the poverty and destitution to be found accross the country and also beyond.
You position on NAFTA and other free trade initiatives is well established and I don’t think our positions are entirely opposed. My only criticism of your position is that it seems to attack the immigrants as means to affect the underlying causes and effects of immigration. By all means kill the bill but that still doesn’t provide a fair resolution for everyone. It is the issue of people that I was arguing, not the bill. And I can tell from your posts that you are not without sympathy for all of the victims of free trade ideaology and are as conflicted as I am. I regret that my post was percieved as entirely oppositional and politically influenced. I stand behind what I said but perhaps I should regret any lack of clarity that may have occured as a result of attempting to avoid the production of copious text like this.
we’ve talked many times Shawn and I know we see eye to eye on many issues regarding what is happening to America these days.
your post was not perceived in that manner and I am sorry to have left you with that feeling its just that the “seperation wall” and “racist right” stuff got to me.
I think we both have the same idea when it comes to this problem and that is we have to start by repealing NAFTA… I mean, lets face it, like the Banker Bailout and the insurance bailout bills before, they are going to pass this bill no matter what any of us do, whether its good for the working people or not.
Agreed, history does not bode well for the future.
You 2 are hysterical! The term “real Americans” means people that are actual citizens of this country. Lets be real in also stating the fact that only a very small percentage of ILLEGAL’S pick our crops. I think the # is 3-5% and as I stated my white family still does these so-called unmentionable jobs in tyhe fields . Immigrants are people that come here legally and assimilate into society. Funny that you both throw around words like racist or ignorant when others dare to state their opinions. I suppose it would have pulled at your bleeding heart strings more to know that I am a descendant of both Native American and Irish background. 2 races that were treated worse than the freed slaves of their day. Both of which struggled hard to assimilate into society and learn the language. In fact American Indians join the military more than any race in this country despite being the smallest! So despite your words I am neither racist nor ignorant of the issues. In fact I bet I work harder than both of you 2 gentleboys put together doing one of the many jobs only morons claim illegal’s want to do and do it well and pay all my share of taxes!
Despite all your cries of the ‘poor desperate immigrants’ why is their place here to come at the cost of everyone else? Why do illegal’s from Latin America deserve more of a chance than anyone else from around the world that wants to come here legally? Oh wait that’s right because they can illegally cross our non-existent border and demand citizen rights they do not deserve, it’s really that simple. Face the facts, we have immigration rules for a reason and they need enforced and followed. My ancestors came via Ellis Island due to the Industrial boom of the times. Look around, there is no ‘boom’ of any sort happening in America. Thus we do not need an ever continuing influx of unskilled Illegal’s in this country. Despite both controlling parties and most corporations trying to shame me into thinking I am too good for real work, I actually love my job and pride myself in the service I give. In fact most people that once looked down their noses (due to college brainwashing) at me and my lowly maid service are now out of jobs. Funny hard work still supports me and my family and keeps us in a home we can afford and own.
I happen to live in Ga. which is now considered a border state only because of the massive illegal population here. Do not be fooled, they are not in the inner city picking the crops. The men stand on the street corner waiting for work where they get paid under the table and do not pay taxes. Meanwhile their wife and kids suck up tons of services they do not pay into. This is how they scam America, plain and simple. Meanwhile real Americans like me have to combat being under cut in price for these jobs and oh yeah pay all of our taxes. I am sick of hearing how these poor desperate people deserve more of a chance than me and millions of other hard working real Americans doing these jobs and not scamming the systems. Illegal’s under cut wages and that’s why corporations want them here. From the farm, to the construction site, to the home, they ruin American jobs and take far more than they will ever give into the system. The lie that ‘no one is born illegal’ or that a living wage is a ‘human right’ is just more brainwashing into shaming people into forgetting their own rights as Americans and opening the border to Latin America for massive ammenisty . My forefathers fought for this land and I for one will not give it away without a fight-and yes I include my American Indian ancestry in those words!!! Google this for some education on why we cannot allow this=illegal gumball video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ. You 2 computer intellects can argue this all day. Meanwhile I will be out working one of those jobs that neither one of you 2 can fathom Americans wanting or doing while paying taxes that go to illegal’s that takes food from the mouths of real deserving citizens struggling to hold onto the American dream being ripped away from them!
Oh and FYI as we speak MEXICO is the one building their own border fence with Guatemala-http://www.examiner.com/immigration-reform-in-national/hypocritical-mexico-is-now-building-their-own-wall-on-border-with-guatemala-press-ignores?cid=examiner-email&sms_ss=facebook and have far worse immigration laws than the US. Go cry racist Nazi at them as the shame of those words will no longer silence Americans from wanting immigration laws enforced in this country!
http://www.examiner.com/immigration-reform-in-national/hypocritical-mexico-is-now-building-their-own-wall-on-border-with-guatemala-press-ignores?cid=examiner-email&sms_ss=facebook
I love this blog, always learn something new …
thanks, MAID IN AMERICA,
first I have heard about Mexico building a wall…… they are actually building it now….
oh wait, I believe Scott has mentioned that wall some time back….. to stop drugs coming in over the water way, Probably to block immigrants also.
BTW, MAID IN AMERICA, I am Irish and American indian and a touch of Dutch…….
I think Scott is also… and I have worked most of my 70 years…… and worked hard …
don’t believe anyone has called anyone a racist….. I think Shawn and Scott often throw ideas at each other and discuss their thoughts… good way to learn … they are both good at it.
Thank you for continuing to expose those like Stewart and Colbert who serve the same function as the Kritstols and Becks.
Both Left and Right as equally destructive. The only difference is that the Right used to have a decent side decades ago, while the Left has never been good.
I would advise to stay away from him as well as Bill Maher. I suspected that Jon Stewart
is a disinfo agent in the way he handle the VA Tech tragedy. Thank Roxanne Meadows
for disclosing the truth behind that tragedy in Addendum
I haven’t watched these two for years. Their agendas are plain to see.
No one talks about these two unless it is related to their Zionists sympathies and promotion.
They have gone the way of Dennis Miller and Bill Maher. Two more sell outs that lost their funny (soul) since 911
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HERE…DOES THIS REDEEM MYSELF?? OH PLEASE…I’LL GET A CIRCUMCISION TOO!!!
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Well the results are in and the Beck rally was bigger, cleaner and had a more respectful crowd with no one getting assaulted. It seems for all the hype and waste of everyone’s tax dollars Colbert & Stewart’s antics were a dismal failure. Most signs focused on passive aggressive gay slurs AKA ‘don’t teabag me’ , pro amnesty AKA ‘no worker is born illegal’, and cries of racism while being racist AKA ‘Beck and Palin are racist crackers’! The funniest speech was Sharpton ( a man who makes his living off race baiting the same as his cohort Jessie) telling real Americans to embrace illegal’s! He still does not get that Blacks are the hardest hit by illegal’s in terms of job loss. HA!HA!HA! What a joke this all was!
i hate to tell you this, but the Jon Stewart “Support the neoliberal Regime” Rally isn’ until Oct. 30th…. the recent rally had nothing to do with Stewart..
Oh so sorry; they are so much alike in riding each others coat tails that I can’t tell them apart anymore. Lol, not that I think Stewarts dog and pony show will be any different than this one. Nor the people any better than this fine example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3049ny1JczA
Scott, somebody happened across my site and is asking if you’d like to be a guest on her radio show:
http://empirestrikesblack.com/2010/09/how-stewart-and-colbert-are-selling-the-neocon-agenda-to-the-left/comment-page-1/#comment-780
Thanks for the heads up Nit2am. I will send her an email this morning.
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Thank you Scott Creighton for a very good look at things as they are ‘really’ like in a small second in our history in our universe!
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“She used to be considered a hero on the left when she was railing against the injustices of the Bush administration but now that the Obama/Clinton neoliberal regime has taken office, she is vilified on the right AND left for fighting the same good fight.”
Who on the left is vilifying her? Your point would carry more weight with something more than a passing reference. If your only answer is a couple of political satirists, then your argument is weak.
And to be absolutely clear, this bill would improve status if by improve you mean enslave.
While the idiots at Fox rail on about the mustard and Super Bowl party food, those of us who believed in Obama the candidate are sorely disappointed in Obama the appeaser.
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