The Poorly Scripted Cognitive Infiltration of AE911Truth and Tom Sullivan’s Lies of Omission

by Scott Creighton

UPDATE – read  Major Problems with Tom Sullivan’s AE911Truth “Interview” -

 Who fact checked this slideWho included it with the article without any links to the original source?  Who put that caption on it that claims this information relates to a “cutter charge designed for use with thermite” when it clearly is NOTWho selectively edited the abstract taking out the mention of the fact that this is a “thermite igniter” for a propellant charge?  Who chose an image of a MINING demolition controller which is incapable of being used for building demolitions when CDI has their own software driven system that is?  These are serious questions that require immediate retractions for the good of the credibility of Richard Gage, Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth,  and the entire Truth movement.

UPDATE – new update at the end of the article…. FlameWars!   

(this is a two-part essay dealing with 1. cognitive infiltration of the Truth movement and 2. specific disinformation from Tom Sullivan)    

Richard Gage’s Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth seems to be spreading more and more disinformation since Gregg Roberts has come on board and their latest foray into anti-detcord disinfo (Tom Sullivan section starts at 1:34:35 into the video)  with CDI (primary suspect for the demolition of the Trade Centers) explosives loader Tom Sullivan, is no exception.     

Tom Sullivan is now being paraded around as a former CDI employee, someone who took photos and “loaded” buildings with explosive charges for demolition.  But in this video “interview” with Richard Gage, his story is wildly inaccurate as he contradicts himself over and over again and his real purpose (aside from undermining the controlled demolition investigation of 9/11 (much like Steven Jones’ “thermite” saga)) seems to be to spread deliberate misinformation about det cord to real Truth advocates.   

   

(please read the following two articles to start to get an idea about CDI’s involvement with the clean-up of Ground Zero and the NIST cover-up that followed)   

BBC Piece Post-Mortem: Mark Loizeaux and the Special Engineer    

Unbelievable: NIST Uses CDI (suspect?) To Prove No Controled Demolition    

Sullivan and Richard Gage are obviously reading a script, and Sullivan keeps tugging on his ear in a classic “tell” (lying giveaway) while deliberately misleading the Truth community about detonator cord and other aspects of controlled demolitions.     

(read my revised controlled demolition hypothesis , detcord floor system demolition theory , May 2008 “Open Letter to Steven Jones on the Subject of Detcord“)     

Not only that, but Sullivan also produces a license issued by New York City Fire Department which allowed him to handle demolitions charges issued 2 MONTHS PRIOR TO 911 and while he was working for CDI…    

No one in the Truth Movement seems to notice that little fact?  And Gage doesn’t notice it either?      

In fact, Sullivan produces a W2 form, from 2001, showing how much money he made with CDI during that time.      

But before we dive into Tom’s scripted show, lets take a step back for a second and take a look at the other cognitive infiltration examples of AE911Truth that lead up to this obvious new example.    

Part 1: Cognitive Infiltration of the Truth Movement

Gregg Roberts and the Controlled Demolition of the Truth Movement    

[W]e suggest a distinctive tactic for breaking up the hard core of extremists who supply conspiracy theories: cognitive infiltration of extremist groups, whereby government agents or their allies (acting either virtually or in real space, and either openly or anonymously) will undermine the crippled epistemology of believers by planting doubts about the theories and stylized facts that circulate within such groups, thereby introducing beneficial cognitive diversity. (Page 219.) Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, Cass Sunstein    

Mr. Robert’s cognitive infiltration career with the 9/11 Truth movement started with the controlled opposition site run by Victoria Ashley and Jim Hoffman. Their focus was to undermine any investigation of what hit the Pentagon on Sept. 11th using official Defense Department “evidence” as the basis for their claims.  Gregg Roberts was the brains behind that operation and he and his “megaphone” type repeaters were very successful in making Truth advocates feel compelled to stop talking about a very incriminating part of the evidence surrounding the events of 9/11. Even to this day, even after all we now know about Hoffman and Ashley being controlled opposition, Truth Advocates are still reluctant to address the glaring problems with the official story of Flight 77 and the Pentagon.  And no one seems to mind the fact that Gregg Roberts was their handler.    

9/11 disinfo guru Gregg Roberts’s (started off as Jim Hoffman’s partner  (heres a little background on Jim “the evil Muslims did it” Hoffman) and he refused to test for explosive residue in ground Zero Dust) boy Steven (“it’s thermite, no it’s thermate, no it’s superthermite, no it’s nanothermite, no it was hyperbaric thermetic bombs, no… it’s an electric match, one hundred tons worth of unexploded electric matches“) Jones gave an improvised address yesterday at the AE911Truth press conference luncheon that took everyone by surprize when he started addressing the idea of the Haiti earthquake being a man-made event.  American Everyman    

Remember that Jim Hoffman is the guy who gave us the  “1.8 Million Ceiling Tile Bombs and Racing Illegal Immigrants” theory of how Steven Jones’ “nanothermite” was used to bring down the Twin Towers. His “plausible theory” was so stupid that I was compelled to write to him about it. He released his “plausible theory” the same day that Jones’ “nanothermite” paper came out, which means Gregg Roberts must have gotten his disinfo agent friend, Jim Hoffman a copy of the paper well before it was published.    

(After keeping Truth advocates from looking at the obviously flawed official story Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon, Jim Hoffman then comes up with the most absurd theory of 1.8 million ceiling tile bombs being placed in the Twin Towers.  Sound like a disinfo agent to you?)    

Let’s forget for a minute that Gregg Roberts helped bring us the Jim Hoffman “The Official Story is Right” blog, and let’s forget for a minute that Gregg Roberts refused to test for residual trace elements of high explosives in the 911 World Trade Center dust…    

Back in May of 2008, my conversations with Jones moved beyond the 911 Blogger thread that I put the article up on.  In an email response to me, he expressed an interest in looking into this further, but then he referred the matter to Greg Roberts and my discussion about the subject went forward with him.    

At long last, after being told that they were really more interested in pushing for political or legal action, Greg Roberts told me something quite amazing in one of his last emails to me.    

However, our detractors could be counted on to do their best to use a negative result against us for P.R. purposes. They would say that we have a non-scientific belief, since a negative outcome from an experiment fails to shake it.    Thus, the potential costs of doing what you’re proposing and coming up empty-handed, or worse, must be considered.”  Roberts    

The idea that you wouldn’t run a scientific test, that is standard investigative procedure when an explosive is suspected, for any reason, let alone for “potential P.R.” consequences… was astounding to me. American Everyman    

Let’s just focus on the fine Cass Sunstein type work Gregg Roberts has done since snaking his way into Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.    

1. Since Gregg Roberts’ joining AE911Truth Richard Gage’s presentations have seemed to have centered a great deal around the scientific red-herring “thermite” and all it’s variations.     

2. Gregg Roberts seems to have brought in Dwain Deets, a man who was heavily involved in not only the development of the drone aircraft industry, but also was involved in the testing of remote piloted systems for commercial aircraft during his 37 year career with NASA and the Dryden Flight Research Center. Deets has also just helped revived the long dormant “unattainable airspeeds” disinfo theory which was started by John Lear, a guy who claims there are bases on the moon, that remote viewing was possible, promotes the “ray beams from space” theory, and poses wearing tin-foil hats on his website.    

In 1986 Deets completed a special assignment at NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C., where he led an effort to define the needs for flight research and flight testing within NASA. He then headed development of a flight research strategy for what was then NASA’s Office of Aeronautics and Space Technology, now called the Office of Aeronautics. This effort led to a major increase in emphasis on flight research by NASA. NASA    

Retired Aerospace Research Engineer. While at NASA Dryden Flight Research Center, held positions of Chief, Research Engineering Division, Director for Aeronautical Projects, and Flight Research Program Manager.    

In 1996 (same year as the start of the Altus project?) Dwain Deets was appointed Director, Aerospace Projects Office at the NASA Dryden Flight Research CenterDeets had an extensive background with unmanned drone flight development dating back as far as 1974.  He was involved with the HiMAT project according to the NASA webpage.  American Everyman    

    

The following image is taken from a paper co-written by Dwain Deets which deals with how to pilot commercial planes… by remote control.    

    

Deets remote piloting paper 1985

The next image is taken from actual tests where they flew jumbo jets, commercial sized planes, by remote control, in order to test the crashing of them… but they took them off and flew over the crash site 60+ times by remote control prior to crashing it.    

Dryden Flight Research remote piloted airliner tests

 On the morning of December 1, 1984, a remotely controlled Boeing 720 transport took off from Edwards Air Force Base, California, made a left-hand departure and climbed to an altitude of 2300 feet. The aircraft was remotely flown by NASA research pilot Fitzhugh Fulton from the NASA Dryden Remotely Controlled Vehicle Facility.”  Wiki    

Isn’t it odd that someone from the Dryden Flight Research Center, with a background on the development of remote piloting of airliners and the creation of the drone aircrafts, would be involved in a movement in which many members feel the planes that hit the towers were flown by remote control and some even believe that a drone of some kind was used to hit the Pentagon?   Of course Dwain Deets never really talks about these things. You would think he could provide us with some valuable insight such as which companies had the kind of technology that would allow them to remote pilot 757s. Did Dov Zacheim’s company have that technology? Did Dwain Deets ever meet with Dov? Was there really a Global Hawk that went “missing” just after 911?  What happened to that one?  Questions like these Mr. Deets never seems to answer for us.  Too bad, huh?  Seems like he spends most of his time making sure such questions aren’t answered.    

3. Stephen Jones, connected with Gregg Roberts in many ways including the “Nanothermite” paper and an email correspondence I had with the two of them, comes out to give a very rare presentation at the AE911Truth press conference in which he deliberately embarrassed Richard Gage and undermined the credibility of the organization when he started talking about man-made earthquake weapons.    

4. Now we have Tom Sullivan, former CDI employee, making the rounds with the likes of Dwain Deets, talking about what controlled demolition is all about. (you will notice that there is no mention of when Tom Sullivan signed up with AE911Truth on that page, but if you go here, you can see Sullivan himself explain that a “friend” got him involved “this year”…. so that would be a month or so before he started speaking at events. And by “speaking” I mean reading the scripts that are probably written by Gregg Roberts)    

So now that I have shown you that there is a pattern of deliberate cognitive infiltration of the Truth movement at the highest levels, primarily centered around Gregg Roberts, lets look at the new “anti-detcord” campaign Mr. Roberts is obviously behind.    

Now, On to the Tom Sullivan Story…    

Part 2: Tom Sullivan’s Lies of Omission

First… let me show you what Gregg Robert’s script (that Tom Sullivan and Richard Gage were reading from) is designed to do…    

“That paragraph says it all. Did you read this, Willylomen? No det chord required. Both RDX and thermite/thermate likely used. RDX would consume itself im the process and may leave no residueKeenan, On WTCdemolition blog    

So, lets forget det cord etc. and lean more towards remote controlled detonations”  sixsigma, ATS website    

Let me explain just how many ways this is a stupid conclusion to reach… yet it is the exact conclusion disinfo agent Gregg Roberts and Tom Sullivan want you to come to.    

1. consider the source -  Tom Sullivan is a former Controlled Demolition Inc. employee and by his own admission, was someone who planted high explosives in buildings prior to their demolition for that company. He has already proven he worked for CDI in 2001 by showing his W2 forms for that year, and he also showed his “powder carrier” (demolition) license that he received from the New York City Fire Department on July 9th 2001 which was good for a full year.    

On July 24, 2001, six weeks before 9/11, Larry Silverstein took control of the lease of all the WTC buildings. This followed the Port Authority decision on April 26Jerry Mazza    

 Once the deal was done and agreed upon on April 26th, the decision to demo the Trade Centers was reached and the plan put into motion.  Just over a month later Tom Sullivan gets his “powder carrier” license from the City of New York, and a few days after that Lucky Larry Silverstein ( later revealed on Fox News as having been asking his insurance company if WTC 7 would be covered if they had to bring it down in a controlled demolition) signs the papers and takes ownership of the WTC complex.    

Tom Sullivan listed 5 jobs that he worked on for CDI… they are as follows…    

Seattle Kingdome – (obviously in Seattle Wash.) March 26 2000 – “CDI spent 4-½ months designing the demolition”    

Three Rivers Stadium - (obviously in Pittsburg) Feb. 11th 2001 –    

Philidelphia Naval Hospital – (obviously in Phily) early June 2001    

Keyspan Gas Holders – (Brooklyn, NY) July 18th 2001    

CNG Building? – (as admitted by Tom Sullivan, ws prior to 9/11)    

In short, Richard Gage was “interviewing” a man who worked for CDI at the time of 9/11 as an “explosives loader”, who also just HAPPENED to have a license to do that kind of work in New York City (for CDI) and he also mentions he stopped working for CDI AFTER 911, but lists no projects he worked on FOR CDI during the period of July 18th up to Sept. 11th, 2001.    

2. What did Tom Sullivan really say? –  Did Tom Sullivan say there would be no detcord used with remote-controlled devices?  Of course not.  For a demolition of this size there would have to have been at least 47 cutter charges per floor for about every three floors to get the 47 steel columns cut to the right lengths… not to mention the KICKER CHARGES that would have to move the columns out-of-the-way during the demolition… and that says NOTHING of the charges used to break-up the concrete floor sections and the stairways and the exterior columns at the spandrils….   all of this must be carefully synchronized so that they all go off in perfectly timed order so that the result is what we saw.  To do that without detcord would mean literally thousands of remote controlled radio frequency detonators if each charge were given its own one (47 cutters, 47 kickers, god knows what to break up the floors and exterior columns… so HUNDREDS of these things per floor or per 3 floors)    

Plus he never says detcord wouldn’t have been used…    

When answering a question read to him by Ricard Gage “Brent Blanchard of Pro-tec says you would have detonation cord, miles of it all over the place and these casings left behind in the debris” all Sullivan says is “wireless detonators have been around for years… the military has them… contractors don’t use them”    

This is VERY dishonest on several levels… FIRST – Tom Sullivan KNOWS that det cord has a HIGH EXPLOSIVE CORE which EXPLODES during the demolition process, so that is why there would be none “left behind in the debris”… yet he fails to mention this fact.  He also fails to call out Brent Blanchard on this detail… Why?  A lie of omission is still a lie.    

PETN is one of the most powerful HIGH explosives

Det cord has a detonation velocity higher than that of TNT (about 1.6 times the power of TNT by mass). The detonation velocity of det cord (PETN) is 8,400 meters per second which makes it a rather powerful high-explosive. One of the most powerful.  It is also very stable with medium range friction sensitivity and traits make it useful in the demolitions industry. With a relative effectiveness factor of 1.66, it is very useful to the industry, in fact.    

PETN – POWER INDEX OF 167 … AS COMPARED TO TNT’S 116
PETN – HEAT OF EXPLOSION VALUE OF 5794 kJ/kg RDX = 5036 kJ/kg
RDX  – TEMPERATURE OF EXPLOSION = 4186 K = 7075 F
PETN  – TEMPERATURE OF EXPLOSION > 7075 F
(The formula for kelvin to Fahrenheit is ((Kelvin – 273) * 1.8 ) + 32; note: 1.8 = 9/5.)   American Everyman    

The fact is, PETN detcord is commonly used in the demolition industry to help break up floor sections and concrete pillars and so forth.  It is an extremely powerful high explosive, which of course, even Steven Jones’ “nanothermite” paper admits he can’t tell if the “red grey” chips he found (“thermetic material”) is a high explosive or not.    

And lets not forget that Sullivan never says detcord won’t have been used to connect the wireless detonators to other charges nor does he say detcord wasn’t used.    

Now, “Keenan” goes on even further and tries to claim that Sullivan suggests that RDX high explosives “would consume itself im the process and may leave no residue”.  This is completely absurd first of all because, AGAIN, Sullivan didn’t say that and SECOND… it’s ridiculous.  RDX does not “consume itself”. What Sullivan was saying is the CASING of the linear cutter charge would be “consumed” or blown to bits when the charge of RDX inside it exploded… but that has NOTHING to do with a high explosive not leaving a residual trace element behind… a fingerprint, if you will. Sullivan wouldn’t say that because it would be completely ridiculous of him.    

But, that’s why the “megaphone” invented anonymous commenters on websites I suppose.    

This also shows you how I believe that this scripted “interview” was to be used in the controlled opposition elements of the Truth movement.  Get a “reliable” source to come out and say things that would be “misinterpreted” to mean something else thus trying to steer the Truth movement from actually wondering why people like Steven Jones and Gregg Roberts continually refuse to test the dust they have from Ground Zero for traces of explosive residue like they BOTH suggest NIST do in their “nanothermite” paper.    

3. what else does Tom Sullivan do for the controlled demolition theory? –  remarkably Tom Sullivan suggests that the demolition of the Twin Towers could have been achieved by rigging only the “bottom 30% of the building”    

Well, we all saw the demolition itself over and over again. Clearly we see 30 ton beams being ejected from the “collapse” near the top of the Towers as the demolition began. We also all see the explosions and the dust clouds rising up from the moment the “collapse” begins. We also see smoke, concrete dust, and debris coming out of the sides of the building even before the top moves.    

So how does that equate to just the bottom 30% being rigged for demolition? Does what he says support the official global collapse theory prior to the bottom 30% of the building?    

Another thing that has been mentioned by many debunkers already is that Tom really doesn’t offer ANY information about the demolition of buildings that we didn’t already know. Except for the fact that he COMPLETELY AVOIDED THE ISSUE OF DET CORD and he contradicted himself when he claimed that controlled demolition companies don’t use wireless demolition systems when we can clearly see on CDI’s website that they do.    

Another thing that Tom Sullivan forgets to tell the people during his scripted “interview” is that CDI prides itself on not destroying the windows of surrounding buildings during demolitions…    

Even with all the precautions to control overpressure, the age, existing cracks, and poor condition of glazing windows in vacant structures on the north, east and west sides of the J.L. Hudson complex, window breakage was a concern.”
…“There was far less window breakage in adjacent buildings than glass company crews were prepared to handle. Many of the broken windows appeared to have been those which were cracked before the implosion,…”  CDI website from American Everyman quote    

So why didn’t Tom Sullivan mention that to Richard Gage?  That’s proof that CDI was more than capable of demoing a building without destroying all the surrounding windows… which is one of two main points NIST uses to prove that the Twin Towers was not a controlled demolition.  But strangely, Tom Sullivan forgets to mention this fact. (read the JL Hudson building demo write-up on CDI’s site)    

Conclusion:    

I hate to keep harping on Gregg Roberts, but lets face the facts… he started off with proven disinfo agents, Jim Hoffman and Victoria Ashley… he continued with Steven Jones and his “thermite” distraction… he flat-out told me he didn’t want to check for explosive residues in the Trade Center dust because it might be bad press… he brought in Dwain Deets (father of the modern DRONE and REMOTE PILOTING OF COMMERCIAL AIRLINERS) and writes papers with him and does lectures with him… he was probably behind the inclusion of Steven Jones at the AE911Truth press conference when Steve decided to embarrass Richard and the entire Truth movement… and now my guess is, Gregg Roberts has put this whole thing together to try to undermine the growing movement in the Truth community to run our own tests for traces of high explosives in the Trade Center dust (the absolute FIRST THING that should have been done by that fraud, Steven Jones)    

Of course this ridiculously scripted “interview” will be passed around the remaining Truth movement while the debunkers laugh at the stupidity of it all.    

Which of course is the point.    

[W]e suggest a distinctive tactic for breaking up the hard core of extremists who supply conspiracy theories: cognitive infiltration of extremist groups, whereby government agents or their allies (acting either virtually or in real space, and either openly or anonymously) will undermine the crippled epistemology of believers by planting doubts about the theories and stylized facts that circulate within such groups, thereby introducing beneficial cognitive diversity. (Page 219.) Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, Cass Sunstein    

Mr. Gage: Take a look around you. Who brought up including Steven for the press conference? Who has been pushing for more inclusion of the “nanothermite” research?  Who brought in Dwain Deets and Tom Sullivan?  Do yourself a favor Mr. Gage… you had built a reputable organization that was becoming a mainstay of respectability in the Truth movement.  What has happened since Gregg Roberts has come on board?  Have you ever Googled “Jim Hoffman disinfo agent” before?  Do us all a favor… take a close look at the organization you built and ask yourself a few very important questions.     

I don’t think you need to wait till David Ray Griffin publishes his next book that just happens to be on the subject of cognitive infiltration in the Truth movement to know what I am talking about.    

Dump Gregg Roberts, Mr. Gage… and start reading from your own script again.  

UPDATE: Flamewars…  

Well, that didn’t take long.  “Victinox”, AKA Victoria Ashley, has posted up a comment on Blogger suggesting I hate “all” Truth advocates.  Quite untrue. I reflect a great deal of respect for Richard Gage in this article and of course I have a lot of respect for the work that David Ray Griffin has done and continues to do.  

But Victoria Ashley and Jim Hoffman and Gregg Roberts are certainly a different story.  

Notice how Ashley tries to include “every single person” in the Truth movement as my target… it’s her way of trying to get more people on her side.   

Also notice how she has the first version of the title in her link… I changed that title almost immediately after I post this to what it is now.  How did she see my article so fast?  It’s almost as if they are using some kind of scanning service to keep track of what is being discussed about Hoffman and Roberts on the internet. I doubt Ashley reads my site religiously. I wonder how much that costs.  

She also doesn’t address anything I say in the article, specifically the fact that Sullivan should have mentioned that detcord would not be in the debris because it is a high explosive itself.  

And quite frankly she is probably still mad because I demolished her boyfriend’s “Plausible Demolition Theory” which included “1.8 Million Ceiling Tile Bombs, explosives disguised as fire extinguishers in a working office, and a bunch of illegal immigrants” (in the interest of full disclosure, she should probably have mentioned that to the readers at 911 Blogger)… then I debunked his theory againand then once again…  

So maybe she is pissed off because I called out her boyfriend’s silly theory, or maybe she is still on the Gregg Roberts payroll.  Hard to say.  

But let’s keep in mind that what this is all about is a group of supposed Truth advocates suggesting we stop looking into trace evidence of the use of High Explosives such as DetCord… and they were the same ones who suggested we stop looking into the evidence at the Pentagon, and the same who suggested we stop looking into the collapse of Building 7 prior to the NIST Report, and the same who for the most part have been suggesting we stop talking too much about controlled demolition (unless of course its Gregg Roberts’ “nanothermite” theory)  

Predictably, attacker/debunker “willyloman” (Scott Creighton) has responded to this interview with another attack (who’d have guessed?) :  

Tom Sullivan’s Lies of Omission and the Poorly Scripted Cognitive Infiltration of AE911Truth
Posted on June 26, 2010 by willyloman
by Scott Creighton
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/06/26/11222/  

It’s fascinating that this person claims to support 9/11 truth, but with every new paper, interview or article, he claims every single person is lying, infiltrating, deliberately misrepresenting, etc. Anything he can possibly dig up, no matter how meaningless, he works non-stop to take people down with false accusations.  

Pathetic.   Victonix at Blogger  

But maybe we should look to be more constructive. 

Perhaps someone at Blogger would be good enough to take the time to ask Victronix why Sullivan didn’t mention the fact that detcord is packed with high explosives and THAT is why Brent Blanchard’s comment is ridiculous… that is why there wouldn’t be “miles and miles” of it in the debris… because it blew up the floor systems. 

(they should also ask her about the 200 or so electricians working in the Towers pulling cable prior to 911… that might be interesting as well…)

While they are at it, they could ask Victronix what Sullivan was doing for CDI from July of 2001 till when he quit working for them “after 911″?  Did he stay in New York?

Perhaps they could then ask why he failed to mention the JL Hudson building demo and the fact that CDI brags about not breaking surrounding windows during the demo?

Then lastly I suppose someone could ask why a controlled demolition expert has to read his answers off a script?  Who wrote it?  Why?

All of these would be good questions to ask, but I doubt Victoria Ashley wants to get into a substanative discussion about the facts…

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36 Responses

  1. Good questions, Scott.
    I think Building 7 is the biggest flaw iand anyone involved in the cover up or in the plot of 9/11 would not want questions or honest investigations directed at Buliding 7. Sounds like Victonix is despertely pathetic.

  2. This entire diatribe ignores the fact the detcord is not necessary because explosives can be set off with wireless technology.

    The HiEx Teleblaster II is an example of a high-tech blast initiation system that eliminates the need for detonation chords.

    The HiEx website describes its operation:
    The radio system’s signal is digitally encoded(addressed). The latest microprocessor and message encoding/validation technology has been combined to provide a safe, reliable, accurate and compact remote blast innovation device.

    http://hiex.bc.ca/products.html

  3. The detcord is the explosive that took out the floor systems

    That’s what the 200 “electricians’ were wiring the Towers with.

    So no… wireless detonators do NOT eliminate the need for det cord…

    unless you think they ran around drilling holes in the 220 floors of the two Twin Towers and packed the holes with TNT before the demolition.

    You see, you are missing the key part to a controlled demolition… high explosives. And since Steven Jones’ paint-thin layer of red-grey chips ISN’T a high explosive, then what do you have with just wireless detonators?

    that’s right… nothing.

  4. Hey Chris sarns,

    Teleblaster radio remote blasting system, and drystick dewatering pipes is good for the blasting industry for road construction,quarrying,and mining.
    You can set off an explosive ‘set up’ from some distance… saving possible injuries of workers….. but it will not explode anything by it self…….. it has to have something for it’s signal to be attached to that is explosive… and how in the world would anyone sneak in that much TNT into the Towers wthout anyone seeing …… and think of the noise created by the drilling to set the signal devices and TNT…. or maybe they just taped them to the ceilings…. :)
    would have been a lot of cement dust left from the drilling also…
    … detcord has to have been the demo choice… clean , neat, and easily rolled in.. looks like electrical cable wiring…..
    detonation cord is an explosive…. it is what demolition experts use, especially for large buildings…. then they set up a way to ignite the cord…..

  5. Also, I just carefully read the website Chris links to…

    NOWHERE does it say it eliminates the need for detcord…

    also… Tom Sullivan doesn’t say it “eliminates the need for detcord”

    http://hiex.bc.ca/products.html

    curious that someone would come here claiming exactly what I said was the point of the entire scripted “interview” with Tom Sullivan.

  6. The deniers mantra:
    “I can’t figure out how they did it, therefore it did not happen.”

    The HiEx Teleblaster II is an >example< of a high-tech blast initiation system that eliminates the need for detonation chords.

    If wireless signal is used to set off explosives no detcord is necessary, your inability to understand this notwithstanding.

    Deniers trash anyone who pokes holes in the Official Conspiracy Theory. Y'all are very consistent and very predictable.

  7. chris…

    you aren’t paying attention are you?

    Look around the site… do I look like someone who supports the official story of 911?

    Read of couple of the links up there in the article an you will quickly understand that unless the official theory is that detcord and RDX cuttercharges were used to bring down the towers in a controlled demolition.. I don’t support it.

    Please link on the site you are talking about to where it claims “a high-tech blast initiation system that eliminates the need for detonation chords.” because those words do not appear on the HiEx website.

    In fact, the system you keep linking to is too small to run a complicated building demolition off.

  8. Chris Sarns… deniers of what? The truth about 911? It was nothing but an inside job. To think otherwise is to have your head up your acole. We call it sub-cranial rectal insertion. Do your homework!

  9. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread276976/pg1

    “Controlled Demolition Incorporated’s (CDI’s) DREXS (Directional Remote Explosives Severance) and explosives concrete sacrification and segmentation services can enhance production without sacrificing safety of operations”

    DREXS

  10. Chris sarns sounds like he doesn’t really know anything ….

  11. The article trashed Gregg Roberts, Victoria Ashley and Jim Hoffman. This is Cointelpro crap. The article also attacks Dwain Deets and Tom Sullivan. The author pretends to be part of the TM while attacking prominent members of the TM, calling them disinfo agents. He calls thermite a “red herring”, writing off The Neils Harrit, Steven Jones nano-thermite paper.

    This is the most insidious kind of attack on the TM. He pretends to be a Truther while trying to discredit prominent people and the evidence of nano-thermite in the WTC dust.

    Arguing the detcord is a diversion and a cover for this blatant attack on the nano-thermite paper.

  12. the author… me… trashed Gregg Roberts, Victoria Ashley, Jim Hoffman, Dwain Deets, Steven Jones, Neils Harrit, and Tom Sullivan… because they ARE disinfo agents.

    perhaps you should READ the “nanothermite” paper… especially the part where it says they don’t even know if the “red-grey chips” are a high or a low explosive and then read the part where they suggest someone else test for residues of real high explosives…

    .. like DETCORD (PETN).

    that’s my favorite part of the paper (you see, I have read it… I read it when it came out)

  13. To call all those people, especially professors Harrit and Jones, disinfo agents, is hilarious. ;-)

    It’s perfectly clear who the disinfo agent is.

    I have read the thermite paper. They found nano-thermite in the WTC dust. To put it in highly technical terms – It blows up!

  14. Actually you need to apply a lot of extra energy for the planned destruction of any building as just flying an aeroplane into to the top doesn’t work. Dropping a small top on a big building on the bottom is also no way to destroy the building as too little energy is applied. I explain it on my web site as also published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics! Enjoy!

  15. no chris…

    they claim to have found “active thermetic material” in the Trade Center dust…, they speculate it is “nanothermite”… didn’t you even read the title?

    and it doesn’t “blow up”, not according to the paper. you should read it again and this time pay attention to what they actually say as opposed to hearing what you want to hear in it… you might just be surprised.

  16. You are playing with semantics. They found nano-thermite in the WTC dust. The ‘It blows up” is from a post by Prof Jones at Blogger quoting one of the team members. The describe how a chip “exploded” in the thermite paper.

    Your calling Professors Harrit and Jones disinfo agents is baseless and scurrilous.

  17. They may not have used the word “exploded” but that’s what it did.

  18. “Your calling Professors Harrit and Jones disinfo agents is baseless and scurrilous.”

    actually it isn’t “baseless” since I have written about 12 researched papers now that serve to create quite a sound foundation for the claim.

    “scurrilous” is your opinion.

    “They found nano-thermite in the WTC dust”

    actually NO… they claim to have found “active thermetic material” in the dust… and iron rich spheres (which I don’t doubt)

    “The ‘It blows up” is from a post by Prof Jones at Blogger quoting one of the team members.”

    ah. So, all that fuss about this stuff “blowing up” the WTC and it seems when it all gets down to it the nitty gritty, you intend to go into court and tell a judge that “Steven says someone else said the stuff blew up”

    is that the big plan?

    Let me tell you something about high explosives… even if you only have a grain of it, a few flakes, it still “blows up”

    no one has to offer hearsay evidence like you just did… you can measure it, you can test it, you can PROVE IT…

    that’s how science and high explosives and chemistry work.

    here… read this…

    https://www.llnl.gov/str/Simpson99.html

  19. “They may not have used the word “exploded” but that’s what it did”

    no actually, they didn’t use the word “exploded” because it didn’t explode… it burned. And that is what they said it did…

    this is a brief description of a “low” and a “high” explosive. in the “nanothermite” paper they specifically state they can’t tell if it is a low or high explosive… big difference…

    “IN the study of weapons, a low explosive burns, but a high explosive detonates-a very different phenomenon. An initial shock compresses a high-explosive material, heating it and causing chemical decomposition. The formation of chemical products releases enormous amounts of energy in just billionths of a second. This process sustains the shock wave, which travels at supersonic velocity.”

    It didn’t detonate Chris, it burned.

  20. Nano-thermite can be engineered to “burn” at different rates by varying the size of the particles. It can be made more explosive by adding organic material. This means the amount of “bang” or shock wave can be varied as needed.

    They don’t claim to know exactly how the nano-thermite was used, only that it should not be in the dust – but it is.

    The iron spheres were confirmed by the USGS and the R J Lee Group. These spheres confirm the existence of molten iron which melts at 2,800 degrees F. This is far in excess of what jet fuel or office fires can attain. They were found in large quantity in all the samples from many locations including the roof and interior of Bankers Trust.

    Something other than the fires melted the iron. The only known possibility is thermite or nano-thermite.

  21. “I have written about 12 researched papers now that serve to create quite a sound foundation for the claim.”

    Professor Harrit has written 57 so by your standard – he is more credible than you.

    http://cipshare.com/NielsHarrit_org/

  22. I say that building 7 came down in a controlled demolition.

    Shiam Sunder (NIST) says it was “themal expansion”

    He’s written far more scientific articles than I have…

    who is more “credible”?

  23. “The iron spheres were confirmed by the USGS and the R J Lee Group. These spheres confirm the existence of molten iron which melts at 2,800 degrees F.”

    It wasn’t “molten iron” … it was “iron rich spheres” comprised of many other elements…

    and they didn’t “confirm it”… they found it FIRST and Steven Jones came along and “explained” it…

    I have a different theory on what they are…

    http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/the-23000-missing-trusses-of-911/

    http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/sneak-peak-revised-demolition-theory-hypothesis/

  24. The tiny iron rich spheres can only be formed from molten iron or steel that has been turned into an aerosol like droplets from a spray bottle.
    This can only occur when molten iron (or steel) is atomized with explosives.

    R J Lee Group report Pg 17 [pdf pg 21]
    Various metals (most notably iron and lead) were melted during the WTC Event, producing spherical metallic particles. Exposure of phases to high heat results in the formation of spherical particles due to surface tension.

    Figure 21 and Figure 22 show a spherical iron particle resulting from the melting of iron (or steel).

    This confirms temperatures of 2,800 degrees F. The only known explanation is thermite or nano-thermite.

  25. In the second article you listed you quote David Ray Griffin:

    David Ray Griffin, one of the most respected people involved in the grass-roots investigation of the events of Sept. 11th, had this to say in his recent article, The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7, about the evidence of extremely high temperatures in the WTC 7 collapse…
    The RJ Lee study also found that temperatures had been reached “at which lead would have undergone vaporization”– meaning 1,749°C (3,180°F).
    Another study was carried out by the US Geological Survey, the purpose of which was to aid the “identification of WTC dust components.” Besides also finding iron particles, the scientists involved in this study found that molybdenum had been melted. This finding was especially significant, because this metal does not melt until it reaches 2,623°C (4,753°F).

    Again, thermite or nano-thermite is the only known explanation for the extreme temperatures.

    BTW: Note #54 from that article by DRG:
    54. For discussion and documentation of this point about failed shear studs, see The Mysterious Collapse, 217-21. As I point out in the book the contradictions between NIST’s final report and its 2004 interim report, involving the 4:45 fire and both claims about shear studs, were discovered by Chris Sarns.

  26. Chris:

    The “iron rich spheres” are the missing 40,000+ trusses… that is why there is so many of them…

    “The composition of the trusses was not simply carbon and iron as has been suggested by many others. That would be the main composition of A-36 structural steel. But as NIST points out, in the fabrication process of the trusses, the company that made them substituted a higher grade steel, a HDLA steel, for the parts of the trusses that were to be comprised of A-36 structural steel. They also used ASTM A-242 steel in the trusses. This could explain the reports of silicone, sulfer, and various other metals found in the “iron rich spheres”.”</blockquote>

    NIST made the comment that they failed to find any intact trusses or flattened out straight trusses.. why is that? Because the high explosives that pulverized the 220 floors of the Twin Towers were placed in the truss system. When the detonation occured, the massive heat released “vaporized” them, just like the RJ Lee report said.

    You say the ONLY WAY to melt that steel is with thermite or nanothermite… that is not correct…

    PETN, the high explosive found in det cord, actually burns much hotter than thermite and thermate… when it detonates, it gets over 7,075 deg F.

    “PETN – POWER INDEX OF 167 … AS COMPARED TO TNT’S 116
    PETN – HEAT OF EXPLOSION VALUE OF 5794 kJ/kg RDX = 5036 kJ/kg
    RDX – TEMPERATURE OF EXPLOSION = 4186 K = 7075 F
    PETN – TEMPERATURE OF EXPLOSION > 7075 F
    (The formula for kelvin to Fahrenheit is ((Kelvin – 273) * 1.8 ) + 32; note: 1.8 = 9/5.)”

    http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/sneak-peak-revised-demolition-theory-hypothesis/

    Now look at this…

    http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/the-23000-missing-trusses-of-911/

    where are the 40,000+ trusses? They should be all over the place… where are they?

    This is how the det cord would have been placed …

    you can see that the trusses would have been vaporized and the concrete floors pulverized… ergo, PULVERIZED concrete dust and VAPORIZED HDLA steel trusses… you get “iron rich spheres” and tons of dust… PETN (unlike “nanothermite”) is readily used in controlled demolition AND it is a proven high explosive with enough heat and detonation energy to create EXACTLY what we have found in the debris…

    and Jones and NIST and FEMA all refuse to test for trace residual elements of high explosives in the dust.

  27. You have noted the possibility that PETN might create iron micro spheres but that is speculation unless you have data confirming that PETN actually does create iron micro spheres of the kind found in the WTC dust.

  28. “3. the existence of an ELECTRICAL WIRING DUCT that ran next to most of the trusses and embedded in the concrete once that was poured (very important for the DET CORD theory)”

    Excellent point. I find your theory very interesting.
    I would note that another possibility is:
    Nano-thermite can be made into a substance that can be sprayed on like paint of foam insulation [fire-proofing].

  29. Chris;

    You make a good point.

    What I have tried to do thus far is to show that…

    1. The trusses were actually HDLA Steel made up of many of the elements that have been found by the USGA study and the RJ Lee report

    2. The temperature that the PETN achieves when it is detonated is hot enough to “vaporize” the trusses.

    you see, what I believe happened is much like you said… the trusses were partically vaporized then the explosioon of the floor below them would force the particles to cool as small “iron rich spheres” but not ALL of it would have been turned to droplets, and some of the steel would have been superr heated and turned into “molten metal”

    Remember the firefighters talking about “molten metal”?

    After the planes hit and prior to the demolition of the towers, there were pictures taken of molten metal dripping out of the side of the building. Remember that?

    What had happened was that some of the PETN filled det cord on the floors that were struck by the planes, actually ignited, destroying some of the floor systems and melting some of the trusses.

    So what we were watching was the melted trusses pouring out of the side of the buildings.

    Now, to answer your question…

    I would LOVE to be able to prove this. To me there are two ways to do that… scientific evaluation of the dust looking for residual traces of high explosives like PETN and RDX and an experiment.

    Obviously I have been trying to convince those who have access to the dust to allow me to run some tests, but I have not met with any success on that thus far.

    As far as the experiment phase is concerned, I put together this proposal as well…

    http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2009/03/29/still-more-sunday-doodles/

    http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2009/03/22/sunday-doodles/

    I know that enough det cord and PETN can pulverize those floors and vaporize large parts of those trusses, but like you said, I need to prove it.

    Its a lot more plausable than “nanothermite paint” in my opinion and easily provable were we to ever test for explosive residue in that dust (like Jones and Harrit suggest we do in their paper)

  30. “Excellent point. I find your theory very interesting.
    I would note that another possibility is:
    Nano-thermite can be made into a substance that can be sprayed on like paint of foam insulation [fire-proofing].”

    there is also a company that was in business in 2001 and still is now, that will custom manufacture det cord to whatever specifications you request.

    They will put whatever high explosive you want in it… and they were in business at that time.

  31. “What had happened was that some of the PETN filled det cord on the floors that were struck by the planes, actually ignited, destroying some of the floor systems and melting some of the trusses.”

    You are assuming that PETN was used and that it would create microscopic iron spheres. It’s an idea worth investigating but you are just speculating.

    You need to come up with a realistic [simple and inexpensive] experiment to see if PETN will create iron micro spheres.

  32. Metallurgical analyses have been completed by RJ Lee and the USGA reports. I need to compare them to what we know about the HDLA steel trusses.

    If we can find that the composition of those spheres is compatable with that of the trusses, then we have made a great deal of progress.

    I am not saying that det cord creates microspheres…

    I am saying that the heat released by the det cord melted the trusses and that is what all those iron rich spheres are. That and the metal floor pans that were under the concrete.

    I need dust samples for that.

    And remember… at this time, all Jones has is speculation as well. Remember, he didn’t say in his paper that the “red grey” chips of his were high explosives. If that is true, and if they are not, they could not have demoed that building anymore than gun power or flour could.

    He also can’t explain how his speculative “nanothermite” could have been used to demo the buildings. The best he can come up with is a demo crew planning a precise world record demoliton with “explosive paint”?!? come on now.

    What I am suggesting is that known high explosives were used in a way that I think is rational and supported by the evidence (there was a security system “upgrade” going on before 911 involving 200 “electricians” running cable (det cord looks exactly like CAT 5 cable)

    All I need to prove it, is one clean sample of the Ground Zero dust…

    just one.

    Test it for trace residual elements of high explosives and send part of it to a forensics lab to have them determine if the spheres are a match for the trusses or the floor pans.

    and that is it.

    once we have evidence of high explosives used in the Trade Center, by law they have to grant a new investigation since it was not discovered in previous studies. That is the law.

  33. watch what det cord does to a concrete slab about 5 inches thick… remember, the floors of the Twin towers were lightweight concrete 4″ thick.

    (example near the end of the video)

  34. [...] The next image is taken from actual tests where they flew jumbo jets, commercial sized planes, by remote control, in order to test the crashing of them… but they took them off and flew over the crash site 60+ times by remote control prior to crashing it. Dryden Flight Research remote piloted airliner tests On the morning of December 1, 1984, a remotely controlled Boeing 720 transport took off from Edwards Air Force Base, California, made a left-hand departure and climbed to an altitude of 2300 feet. The aircraft was remotely flown by NASA research pilot Fitzhugh Fulton from the NASA Dryden Remotely Controlled Vehicle Facility.”  Wiki [...]

  35. Hey Willy, you owned that lame poster generally.

    But let me contribute something material that shows mass microspheres.

    “I am saying that the heat released by the det cord melted the trusses and that is what all those iron rich spheres are. That and the metal floor pans that were under the concrete.”

    See the real dark billows with the vertical striations on the top left? That is the cutting charges exhausting out the top of the interior box columns.

    This basis diagram of a cutting charge comes specifically from a quick note near the end of the 2 hour documentary I viewed in 1990, “The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers”. The top and bottom plates forming the planar gas guides were mentioned in that video. I specifically remember the plates were located around the huge columns that surrounded the concrete core, and a part of the floors, but NOT welded AND a harder tempered steel than the heat treated columns it surrounded.

    There had to be like 0.o45″ to 0.065″ tolerance on the finished edge f the plate where it was against the column! The videographers were asking the port authority WHY? The PA was very evasive and wanted to know where the 8.5×11 details had come from. They never came up with a good answer either.

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