by Scott Creighton
UPDATE1 at the end of the article…
UPDATE2 at the end of the article…
As the liberal and “progressive” blogosphere breathlessly hypes the demonization of militia groups and Tea Party members as the real “homegrown terrorists” in America, I would ask you to pause for a second, take a breath, and just THINK for a minute.
You would think that after electing Barack Obama, most “progressives” and liberals would have learned a little something about jumping to conclusions based solely on emotion based rhetoric. You would think that they would be wary at this point of those who would mislead them with emotion based appeals which do nothing more than re-affirm their existing value structure. Let’s hope the lessons of the award-winning ”Product Obama” campaign aren’t lost on all the liberal intelligentsia.
Yesterday I had a conversation or two with a number of individuals who swore up and down that I was COINTELPRO or something because I dared to question not only the timing of the arrest of the Hutaree 9 but also the manner in which the apparent Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) and the FBI conducted the investigation. To me it seemed altogether too similar to several of the cases that “popped up” during the old Bush/Cheney days, in which the JTTF would “infiltrate” a group or individual of hapless losers, motivate them towards committing some kind of act of terrorism, put them in contact with someone who would make fake bombs for them, then parade them around as successful investigations in the War on Terror. The motivation of course was always the continuation of the funding for the War on Terror and its many public/private institutions of profit generating “security” providers and the simultaneous degradation of our civil liberties.
“It makes sense in general —but when you’re pressing people to undertake conduct they would have never undertaken without an informant pushing them along, there is a real question if you’re creating crime, not preventing crime.” David Cole
One individual actually went so far as to imply I was a “troll” and that I had no proof that the case had been fabricated for political reasons. This is the exact same conversation I would have with members of right during the Bush years when I would attempt to explain how the JTTF fabricated cases against “terrorist cells” while Fox News was breathlessly “reporting” each and every plot uncovered was proof positive that the “terrorists” were around every corner of every street. Well, the proof is slowing leaking out, as is usually the case when these things unfold, but the damage is already done.
The basic story line under the Bush years goes like this… (from the Rolling Stone expose “The Fear Factory”)
In other cases, the use of informants has led the government to flirt with outright entrapment. In Brooklyn, a Guyanese immigrant and former cargo handler named Russell Defreitas was arrested last spring for plotting to blow up fuel tanks at JFK International Airport. In fact, before he encountered the might of the JTTF, Defreitas was a vagrant who sold incense on the streets of Queens and spent his spare time checking pay phones for quarters. He had no hope of instigating a terrorist plot of the magnitude of the alleged attack on JFK —until he received the help of a federal informant known only as “Source,” a convicted drug dealer who was cooperating with federal agents to get his sentence reduced. Backed by the JTTF, Defreitas suddenly obtained the means to travel to the Caribbean, conduct Google Earth searches of JFK’s grounds and build a complex, multifaceted, international terror conspiracy —albeit one that was impossible to actually pull off. After Defreitas was arrested, U.S. Attorney Roslynn Mauskopf called it “one of the most chilling plots imaginable.” Rolling Stone
“one of the most chilling plots imaginable” was the propaganda from the Justice Department back in the old Bush years. Eric Holder just said of the Hutaree 9 case it was ”an insidious plan by anti-government extremists.” … and we have dealt “a severe blow to a dangerous organization that today stands accused of conspiring to levy war against the United States“
Aside from the breathless hyperbole of stating that 9 family members and assorted friends were about to “wage war on America” using their rundown doublewide as their base of operations, there are other ways the Hutaree 9 case is starting to look like the exact same model used under the Bush years.
Several national reports have been filed, one by Rachel Maddow and one by MSNBC’s Pete Williams, which mention the fact that the FBI (JTTF?) “infiltrated the group” several months ago. This is a very important aspect of the case for several obvious reasons.
“Brian, the FBI actually PENATRATED this group and had it under close surveillance for over a year and a half.” Pete Williams
“As I noted before, the FBI has had its eyes on this group for a long time. A local Detroit news station, Local 4, is reporting that the FBI had INFILTRATED the group for several months. Well, if the FBI had INFILTRATED them, that might explain why the FBI arrested them now.” Maddow
The actual criminal indictment filed against all 9 suspects supports this same conclusion, that the FBI “infiltrated” this group.
According to the first count of the criminal charges against them, on page 3…
All 9 defendants are listed as the militia group “Hutaree” and they are charged with conspiring “with each other and persons known and unknown to the Grand Jury“. Other persons would certainly be a way to legally describe the FBI or JTTF informant, now wouldn’t it?
Also according to the indictment, the group attempted to get a weapon of mass destruction by contacting “someone they believed to be capable of building it“. This is also strong evidence that the informant put them in touch with someone who he told them could make a bomb. Often in the Bush years cases, the JTTF would do the same thing, put the “terrorists” in touch with someone working for the FBI who would make a fake bomb or two for them.
In Rockford, “Jameel” repeatedly urged Shareef to dream up gory details of the havoc they would cause at the mall. Chrisman (the JTTF informant)had received a call, he told Shareef, from a man he called “Cap” —a contact willing to sell them weapons. They could buy “pineapples” —code for hand grenades —from Cap for fifty bucks each. Cap, of course, was an undercover agent…. But the resourceless Shareef couldn’t even raise that much money. So with the JTTF determined to push the “plot” forward, Chrisman announced that Cap had agreed to exchange the grenades for some used stereo speakers Shareef owned.
The next Wednesday, the two men met with Cap in a parking lot under the gaze of agents from the JTTF. As Shareef swapped the used speakers for four nonfunctioning grenades and a 9mm handgun with neutered ammunition, he was swarmed by law enforcement. News of the bust traveled the world over. “It had all the makings of a holiday bloodbath,” Fox News breathlessly reported. Shareef was charged with the ultimate crime in the so-called War on Terror: attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction. Rolling Stone
“Attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction“… that was the charge back in those days against a guy who couldn’t put a $100 bucks together at one time. One of the chilling plots imaginable, to be sure. Completely concocted and arranged by a JTTF informant.
What is the primary and most chilling charge against the Hutaree 9? You guessed it, “Attempt to use weapons of mass destruction“
Now, this case is a little different, but you won’t read that in many of the breathless blogs dealing with the subject. In the Hutaree 9 case, unlike some of the earlier set-ups, the defends never set their plan in motion. Instead, according to the official charges, these guys attempted to put their fake bombs in the trunk of the car I guess and go show them off along with their guns at a “convention” as it were for militia groups. Apparently, according to the law, putting a bomb in a car and traveling on roads of “interstate commerce”, or e-mailing drawings of such bombs on the internets of “interstate commerce” counts as an ‘attempt to use a weapon of mass destruction”. The indictment is a little fuzzy on the actual statute of the crime they committed, but it is clear on one aspect… they hadn’t even decided on a target as of yet.
As this case drags on more information will surely become available, but I urge my liberal brethren that in mean time we ease off on the demonization of the “far righters” if we can for a minute or two. Let’s let the facts of the case pan out before we start labeling the militia groups and the Tea Party members as potential terrorists simply because they believe we are moving toward a fascist state in America.
Now I make this request based on what should be two very obvious facts.
1. Clearly the “facts” of this case show that it is at least moderately probable that it is exactly the same kind of contrived JTTF/FBI “homegrown terrorist” plot created under the previous administration purely serving a political end.
and
2. The Tea Partiers and Militia groups aren’t the originators of the “America is becoming a fascist state” public outcry… WE ARE
You guys don’t happen to remember Naomi Wolf do you? Remember her book from 2007, “End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot”? Remember all those lectures she gave? Remember how she was hailed as a hero on the liberal left for having the foresight and the courage to stand up to the Bush administration’s drive toward fascism?
In case you need a refresher course, here is a reminder… one of her lectures from 2007. Nearly 900,000 views and postings on various liberal websites all across America. This dates back to the good old days when liberals and progressives addressed such issues in terms that didn’t include the words “teabaggers” and “right-wing nut jobs”… ah, the good old days…
Well, Naomi is at it again, this time she is featured in an interview on AlterNet in which she addresses this very same issue, folks. And I for one would seriously recommend you go over and read the whole thing. Here are a few choice samples for your consideration.
… JS: Why do you think the sides don’t understand each other?
NW: Frankly, liberals are out of the habit of communicating with anyone outside their own in cohort. We have a cultural problem with self-righteousness and elitism. Liberals roll their eyes about going on “Oprah” to reach a mass audience by using language that anyone can understand even if you majored in semiotics at Yale. We look down on people we don’t agree with. It doesn’t serve us well.
There is also a deliberate building up of two camps that benefits from whipping up home team spirit and demonizing the opposition. With the Internet there is even more fractioning since we are in echo chambers. With so much propaganda it is hard to calm down enough to listen.
…JS: What do you think is the biggest misconception about the Tea Parties?
NW: The Tea Party is not monolithic. There is a battle between people who care about liberty and the Constitution and the Republican Establishment who is trying to take ownership of it and redirect it for its own purposes.
…JS: In your essay, “Tea Time in America” you said that some of the Tea Party’s proposals are “ahead of their time.” What are some examples?
NW: I used to think “End the Fed people” were crackpots. The media paints them as deranged. But it turned out we had good reason to have more oversight. Or take their platform about states’ rights. Demographically, I’m a hippie from San Francisco and I’m not culturally inclined to be sympathetic to states’ rights. My cultural heritage is FDR and Medicare and federal government solutions. But if you think through the analysis, strengthening state rights is a good corrective of the aggregation of an over-reaching federal power. Take California’s challenge of the Patriot Act or states like Vermont leading the way with addressing the corruption of the voting system. It’s a good example of the Tea Party thinking out of the box on how to address a problem. AlterNet
Now, Naomi Wolf was certainly not the first American to bring this issue of a creeping fascism coming to America to the forefront of our debate back then. But she was certainly one of the most popular and well received in the liberal blog-o-sphere. With good reason; many found they could relate to her. Nothing wrong with that, in fact, I am hoping that it continues.
We are being driven apart from each other, one side versus the other. Cases like the Hutaree 9 are prime examples. On the right they demonize the “Muslims” and the “socialists” (like me) of the far left to sell their Homeland Security product and on the left they demonize the “Christian militia” groups and the far right for pretty much the same desired outcome.
Product Obama just railroaded a horrible bill through congress and his standing with the liberal left is certainly reeling as a result. So along comes an arrest of a group that had yet to even pick out a target, and immediately the “far left” blogs turn their focus to the “real terrorists” out there… the far right. It’s a scripted contrivance people, designed to rehabilitate the neoliberal Obama Product by comparison and to rejuvenate the far left in the phony “left verses right” paradigm.
We have to be smarter than that, people.
It’s not good enough to wait a year or so for the next Rolling Stone article to come out and then jump on the “yeah, see I told you it was bullshit” bandwagon. We have to see this crap as it happens and expose it for what it is; propaganda. If it was propaganda under the neoliberal Bush regime, it’s still propaganda under the neoliberal Obama extension.
****UPDATE1****
It took less than 5 minutes of posting this article for me to get my first comment. That was a little suspicious. Turns out that the comment is from a PR type firm like Burston-Marstellar who are apparently tasked to demonize the Tea Party movement. I read the comment, as I always do, and it didn’t sound like it really dealt with the subject at hand, but rather it focused on just one element of the article, the Tea Party movement. It uses emotion grabbing buzzwords in a way that a PR firm writer would.
So, I Googled the entire comment, and guess what? It’s been splattered up everywhere a hundred times. So it could be Burston-Marstellar and their Tru-Cast social networking shaping technology or it could be the NSA trying to sculpt the story, kind of a ”human terrain” project. Who knows. But the fact is, the very first comment spammed up from an obvious propaganda agency lends credence to exactly what I am talking about here.
Funny huh?
Turns out the IP address of the person who left the comment registers to a service provider in San Marcos, California and as it just happens… Burston-Marstellar has an office in San Diego, just a few miles south of the IP address… funny how that works out, ain’t it?
****UPDATE2****
Turns out, I was right… the Wall Street Journal is reporting that the group was infiltrated by a JTTF agent….
An undercover agent played a role in the investigation that led to Monday’s indictments. Grand jury testimony by a law enforcement officer referred to an “undercover FBI agent” who worked on the case. The FBI declined to comment, but infiltration is a common tactic for law-enforcement officials targeting domestic militia groups. WSJ
And as I have shown, infiltration is also a common tactic for JTTF and FBI “sting” operations that ultimately create “homegrown terrorists” when before there were none.
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Since their inception the Teaparty crowd (not a movement since they do have the numbers or clout) have been “haters not debaters”. In my opinion this is what the small portions of the republican party of “birthers, baggers and blowhards” have brought you. They are good at “Follow the Leader” of their dullard leaders, they listen to Beck, Hedgecock, Hannity, O’Reilly, Rush and Savage and the rest of the Blowhards. Are you surprise at what they do when you know what they think? The world is complicated and most republicans (Hamiliton, Lincoln, Roosevelt) believe that we should use government a little to increase social mobility, now its about dancing around the claim of government is the problem. The sainted Reagan passed the biggest tax increase in American history and as a result federal employment increased, but facts are lost when mired in mysticism and superstition. Although some republicans are trying to distant themselves from this fringe most of them are just going along and fanning the flames. Lets face it the Republicans had 8 years to deal with health care, immigration and financial oversight and governance and they failed. They could not even win one of the two wars they started, the body bags are still coming in. The Republicans wanted to give Obama his Waterloo defeat over healthcare but instead they gave themselves their own Waterloo defeat by not participating in the debate of ideas and by becoming the party of obstructionist. But they now claim they have changed, come on, what sucker is going to believe that?
thank you for describing this partisan problem in clear and simple terms. too many people seem not to appreciate the danger of this by-design controlled opposition or that they are playing so beautifully into the hands of the designers and those who benefit from such division.
yesterday i unsubscribed from yet another news source/blog because of the strongly partisan articles and juvenile ‘we’re cool and they’re not’ mindset . i just don’t go there anymore. it is far more than just a waste of time or a petty annoyance. it is a matter of flowing one’s time, energy, and awareness, thus personal power, into what is tantamount to an intellectual black hole. exactly where i would want people if i were engaged in committing crimes against the constitution and crimes against humanity.
we don’t really need the government to do us in. we are following the script well enough and doing ourselves in.
when the government becomes tyrannical and those who have the astuteness and courage to name it and to stand against it are ridiculed and violently opposed (jailed, tortured, murdered or under threat of such) we know that we are at the second stage of truth. this is the difficult stage where polarities, and the wasted energy of resisting, pushing back against the polarities, becomes wildly manifest.
it is our, the citizens of this planet, freedom and lives that are at stake as well as the continued existence of our very planet. yet this polarity is with US – it is our condition. we are pushing back at each other and we are running out of time. we must -exactly at this moment – stop trying to dodge the distracting bullets and turn and face the actual enemy. some will be able to rise to the occasion and some will not. sobeit. it does not require a majority.
we cannot afford to get sucked into the maelstrom of opposing energy fields of fellow human beings. THAT IS JUST WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. let them be and stand firm. inform and move on. we are standing right on the tipping point…there is no going back.
the old saying, “Divide and conquer” is a sure fire way to weaken the masses…. turn us against each other…
great article , Willy… and it amazes me how you trace down these ‘trolls’…
Like they all piled onto the wagon when Obama got the nod, no matter who they liked before–like there was no place else to go.
Like they think Obama is still a little better than McCain would have been, even if he’s the same as Bush.
Like, what’s it going to take?
Anyway, appreciate your tenacity, Willy, and your skill.
R Ap
For me the teabaggers are a bit like rap music. You may not like it at first blush, but you’d be smart to listen. There are strong messages in each. The standing government fears both, hence the propaganda.
Great post.
Good analysis Scott.
Yes, just another inside job using the not so bright.
The ADL and SPLC had just blasted the Hutaree group a few days before the raid.
http://www.annarbor.com/news/bridgewater-township-turns-to-militia-for-help/
Now they take bragging rights.
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/29/nine-members-of-the-hutaree-militia/
This will help their fund raising and I’m sure they were somehow involved in the set up.
another interesting take:
http://snardfarker.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-strange-case-of-kristopher?xg_source=activity
Another great post, Willy Loman.
“We have to see this crap as it happens and expose it for what it is; propaganda.”
We should all know by now to watch television critically, to ask ourselves who is benefitting and why are things being presented to us the way they are. Now we should also know we need to give bring the same skepticism to the internet. Just as the so-called MSM lost credibility after helping get us into Iraq, the internet should have lost our uncritical acceptance with the election of a fake liberal president.
We have to judge carefully what is legit and what is serving someone’s purpose. Who tries to bring us to a truthful understanding of what is going on in the world, and who tries to mislead. And we have absolutely got to get up to speed so we can do this in real time.
I am not a socialist but I read your articles often and agree with much of what you say. I too am very suspicous of the events over the weekend. The Tea Party isn’t really a party at all; its people waking up to what has been and is happening to our country, and if the neocons take it over I, and I hope thousands of others will find another horse to ride.
We are all being played against each other. The Hegelian Dialectic is in overdrive and our government has mastered the art of propaganda and their psyops are in full swing. But people are catching on. It is very cool that I as a Christian conservative can read your articles and say yes, the man’s right on. They would like nothing better than to keep us at each others throats while the stick it too us. Keep up the good fight and don’t let this monsters fool you.
Thank you, Scott. Your calm and common-sense reading is a welcome antidote to this latest episode of planned hysteria. This ongoing demonization of all opposition is getting really tiresome and distracting us from way more important issues. Like this, for instance:
http://blog.littlesis.org/2010/03/29/obama-social-security-looters/
The ongoing investigations of willyloman are most impressive and liberating. Bravo!
Yours,
Scott
I thank you all for your comments and taking the time to read this article.
I posted this on FireDogLake, and I fully expect to take a beating on it from the “partisan first” element over there.
But I think no one here would really be surprised to find out that there are a lot of people at FireDog who think exactly the way you and I do about this situation. Its a large contingent of them and growing.
Either way, it will be interesting to see what comes of it.
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/38364
Every one of these F.B.I. (fucking bastards of ISRAHELL) plots are always at the core of them, MOSSAD agents and AL-CIA-DA scum, trying to further create more excuses to destroy even MORE OF OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES!
in the MURRAH building in OKC, apparently AL-CIA-DA witheld evidence of MOSSAD involvement n that crime, as they are one and the same, and once again, a reputable and noteworthy U.S. Army explosives expert has proven that the so called ‘truck bomb’ didn’t bring the building down, but many many explosives charges in the building (McVeigh didn’t have that expertise) were found after the collapse…that hadn’t gone off for one reason or another, and that multiple shock impulses from multiple blasts were registered on seismic and acoustic recorders near the site.
People, when are you going to wake up and realize that the ISRAELI INTELLIGENCE SERVICE / MOSSAD was partially responsible for what happened on Sept. 11, 2001??
It’s now official… Hutaree suspect #9 (the only one NOT in prison garb) is Thomas Piatek the FBI mole/instigator. You recall one of the suspects was shuffled off to a “hospital”? Well, guess who? Another FF by the JTTF. Will the sheeple ever wake up? Probably not. I hear kool-aid sales are up
nice find. thanks cinder
I really enjoy potatoes.
Thanks, Willy. Always helping myself and others keep informed! More power to you!
Funny how fast we forget… in 1995 some disgruntled person who didn’t agree with liberal politics drove a truck up to a federal building and blew up 168 people. This was back before the FBI was concentrating on domestic terrorism. If we follow your words we should go back to those days when the FBI wasn’t interested in domestic terrorism and maybe waited until the Hutaree shot down some cops and blew up a few people before actually considering indictments against them.
Plotting mass murder is a crime. If it takes an FBI agent teasing some whackjob into violence then so-be-it; I certainly won’t lose any sleep over the arrests of people who are compelled to violence even if it is through entrapment of sorts.
“Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither” Ben Franklin
Hey, AKICE, what part of the U.S. CONSTITUTION do you think you can suspend? And, if you do the research, the U.S. Government (whom you work for as a SHILL) blew up the Murrah Building. Tim McVeigh was a ‘patsy’ as was Nichols, and every single ‘false flag’ event that has happened subsequent to this bullshit in OKC, happened with F.B.I. people INSIDE who COULD HAVE STOPPED THE EVENT but did not. Why do you think that was. Have you ever heard of TRENTADUE? Google that name, asshole!
the U.S. Federal Government and the Israeli Government now are joined at the fucking hip, and they not only plot terror events and carry them out with AL-CIA-DA and MOSSAD help, they then OBFUSCATE THE CRIME AFTER THE FACT by putting out disinformation and bullshit that doesn’t pass muster with the evidence.
Anyone with a working, funcitoning brain knew that the 1993 attack on the WTC also was something the U.S. government allowed to happen.
So much for your SHILL idea that the giving up of civil liberties and freedom should be necessary to keep us SAFE AND FREE. You must be a fucking communist fuck or a brain dead moron who can’t read the U.S. Constitution or the U.S. Bill of Rights, or worse, you are a GOVERNMENT SHILL PUSHING DISINFORMATION and SUGAR COATING DICTATORSHIP!
That’s some good shit bro,I couldn’t have said it any better. joined at the fucking hip for sure. Right now I’m waiting for the next serious false flag to happen.I feel one coming soon.
Peace
I’m afraid I share your concern. Its looking more and more like they are setting the stage for something.
Well, it sure does look like JULY 10th. or therabouts is the date for the false flag to occur. Seems that the guvmint is starting to get ready for a HUGE EXERCISE on the WEST COAST that brings first responders from ALL EMERGENCY AGENCIES TO HIGH ALERT STATUS!
so, either it’s a ‘dud’ or it’s the REAL DEAL. The new sanctions that Obombaton had to suck Sarkozy’s dick to get, will likey trigger a war, if the U.S.S.A. doesn’t do it using it’s ISRAELI operated agency, the AL-CIA-DA, and the dead nemesis, Osama Bin Rottin since December 14th, 2001.
they have to do something, the economy is tanking, the U.S. is on the brink of DEFAULT ON IT’S MASSIVE DEBT OBLIGATIONS, and the trip trigger is going to have to happen before the collapse is apparent to the SHEEPLE.
look for one hell of an upstage to the MOSSAD and U.S. Guvmint run gig on Sept. 11, 2001.
here we go!!! Wheeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! what fun!!! NOT!
Thanks for putting this all together. Bottom line is, we’re all Hutus or Tutsis awaiting the “voice on the radio” unless we extract ourselves from this narrative by exposing the machinery behind the curtain.
How many people are aware that the FBI was found to be 1/3 responsible in a US court of law for the FIRST WTC bombing? You can look it up in the NYTimes.
Hi tal… I don’t know as much about that as I should. I know that they had one of their assets put together the bomb for them, said it was a sting or something, and when the guy agreed he assumed they wanted a dud, but he was shocked when they wanted him to make a working bomb.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/ok.html
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/9-11BasicQuestions.html
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ARTICLE5/index.html
(you’ll find the F.B.I. or Fucking Bastards of Israhell, in the heart of most of these American false flag events, just like you’d expect to find Shit underneath a huge pile of FLIES)
wake up, folks, WAKE UP!
You suggest democratic liberal government is “fascist” whilst at the same time pretending that kooks armed to the teeth with murderous intent towards that same democratic government are innocents.
Bizarre.
You don’t seem to get what I am saying here, “Hello U”… let me see if I can clear this up a bit…
First of all, I’m not saying “democratic liberal goverment is fascist”….
we don’t don’t have a democratic liberal government but what we have is certainly moving toward fascism at an alarming rate.
What we have here is a Neoliberal Fascist Regime, what Chris Hedges calls “inverted totalitarianism”.
It’s the illusion of democracy.
Now, as far as the “kooks” are concerned..
First, we don’t know what their intent was, “murderous” or not. As I have said many times before, if they intended and attempted to set into motion a plan to lure and kill police officers, then of course they should be arrested.
That’s a big “if”.
You see, in this country, we USED to have a little thing called “the presumption of innocence til PROVEN guilty” which is a far cry from “guilty once ACCUSED by the FBI”.
Do you understand the difference?
What is truly “bizzare” is that you don’t seem to grasp those very easy points of my argument. Rather, you leap to conclusions based entirely on your pre-conceived notions about these people and your immediate acceptance of the honesty of an agency that has previously been exposed as having rigged many investigations in the recent past.
THAT, I find bizarre.
FWIW the FBI still works hand in hand with the Justice Department when it comes to indictments and trail. There is no “guilty once ACCUSED by the FBI” — rest assured it will be a long trial where the Hutaree will have a defense council and be allowed to testify if they desire.
I must admit – I found the article to be intriguing and thought provoking but the comments from readers really marginalize this viewpoint. The Oklahoma City bombing was an inside job? September 11th was set up by Mossad? The WTC bombing set up by the FBI? The notion that our government is a “Neoliberal Fascist Regime” is as black and white as the arguments you’re making in regards to how liberals view the tea party.
oh, AKICE, your lying shill roots are showing. what an obvious lying fuck from the ZOG government you are!! prick!
you truly must believe your bullshit propaganda, which is so way not in line with reality, you stupid government puppet.
No wonder you guys sympathize with the Hutaree — you’re borderline schizophrenic.
And what’s up with the antisemitic posts?
You know what, pulling the ‘anti semite’ card means you are truly a pile of ISRAELI SHIT masquerading as a human being in the blogosphere. Why don’t you go the fuck away until you can come up with HARD FACTS to disprove the assertions, and while you’re at it, get out a copy of the U.S. Constitution and read the goddamned thing. You’ll find it more than ENLIGHTENING.
Get your U.S. Government Shill ass the fuck out of this blog, you are not fooling anyone in here. We know exactly where your ass came from.
You’re a prick and zealot that thinks that setting up patsies is protecting us. Dickhead, it’s not!
and, for your information, if you think that accusing the U.S. Govt. and the MOSSAD of COMPLICITY IN 9/11 is ‘far fetched’ why don’t you take it up with the THOUSANDS OF PROMINENT PEOPLE who know it to be true, at this site:
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com
there is no excuse of a cocksucker like you who gets a federal paycheck, coming into a blog site and spewing a bunch of government propaganda, and trying to convince the citizenry that it’s ‘okay’ to entrap them and circumvent their rights under the U.S. Constitution. You are a disgrace to the uniform or badge you wear, fuckwad!
go the fuck away!
Mazal Tov with your quest. If there’s anything that yells paranoid schizophrenic it’s writing off everyone as a Zionist cocksucker.
This one’s for you!
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AKICE, you know I have been looking at your jackass replies, and I have to now offer you an ‘apology’ for just calling you a ‘zionist cocksucker’ now. And the reason is this: Actually, I think you are a poorly trained, probably not too very long in law enforcement, ‘zealot’ that has no clue what the U.S. Constitution looks like, or the Bill of Rights, for that matter, unless your childhood memory of them is there somewhere from grade school, but I truly ‘misjudged’ you. You’re an ASSHOLE, strictly. You are probably some short fuck with a gun that compensates for his unusually small penis and incredibly bad sexual prowess as a male. You swagger around with your uniform on, and imagine all the plots you are going to ‘stop’ by circumventing that pesky CONSTITUTION. And yes, you probably aren’t a true zionist at all, just a poorly informed, way in over his head ‘zealot’ who should have washed out of the academy and been given a bucket and a mop instead of a gun and a uniform, and a fucking chip on his shoulder.
But having said that, all of that can be fixed. There is redemption for your ignorant ass. You could, in fact, realize that; “no, you don’t get to circumvent the LAW OF THE LAND” no matter how many times you think you can or fantasize about how that will indeed help this nation in this fake war on TERROR (whatever that is).
I truly think you are lost in fucking space without your helmet on, and you have not one iota of a clue how to be a law enforcement officer. You probably suck yards of your bosse’s dicks for promotions, and are the first one in the office to kiss your superior’s ass holes.
how’s that for my psycho analysis of your sorry ass so far?
by the way, you still have no clue what you’re talking about with regard to the TRUTH and 9/11…and that’s woefully apparent by your total lack of defense in that area, and your miserable link above. You need to switch career fields and become a shoe shine boy, or perhaps, a pimp, because those professions are significantly more up your alley than LAW ENFORCEMENT, which in your mind, is “I can do anything I want, I have a gun and a a badge..”
those assumptions are not true, AKICE. You can and will be held accountable for being a dickhead if you harm other’s or set them up for a crime they wouldn’t otherwise do without your lying ass to help them get set up.
I rest my case. Mazel Tov to you, fucker, Mazel fucking Tov.
I don’t know who you people are that are talking so offensive but I’ll tell you that you are both insulting this blog with your rudeness.
surely you jest, Jan. Surely, you jest.
in matters of the nation being ‘taken under’ by Israeli scum who murdered American’s, and defending ‘utter destruction’ of the U.S. Constitution, I think you need to grow the fuck up.
this is not a subject for the weak at heart. This is the survival of the nation and the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, and HIGH TREASON being discussed here. Do you get it?
Wake the fuck up!
The no-name person above this comment is probably a troll….. anyone who uses such obscene words in voicing an opinion is just looking to ‘offend’ the reader…
Why not reveal your name? what are you scared of?
First of all, I let thing like this go on because I believe in free speech. I think if you don’t support that notion especially when it comes to speech that offends you, then you don’t believe it at all.
However, there’s a line.
Akice:
Don’t ever link to videos like that on my site again please. I don’t do porn here and whatever that was, its not the kind of thing most of my readers wish to see. I know you were just trying to get at no named guy, but other readers here clicked on that link as well. Hell, my mother stops by here occasionally. So let’s not do that again. Kay?
To the nameless guy:
Listen. As you can see, this site is dedicated to a lot of issues. Investigating what happened on 911 is certainly a large part of it. So is helping spread the word about the conditions the Palestinian people are living in.
And I am proud of the small contributions I have attempted to make to these and other causes over the past 3 years.
That said, I learned a long time ago that not everyone who disagrees with me is a troll or a “paid government shill”.
Now it appears that akice understands some of the threat that is before this nation and that is a good thing. We don’t have to berate people for that.
That’s not how you reach people or form a consensus on other issues with them.
That’s how you alienate them and other readers at the same time.
This post especially is about finding those things that we have in common with others. Its about how the left and the right are being deliberately driven farther and farther from each other in order to undermine our potential strength.
You, no named commenter, are playing right into that dynamic.
Focusing on the issues we don’t agree on will get us nowhere.
We must work to find the common denominators and work to expand upon THEM and that is the only way we will achieve the solidarity we need to confront this common threat.
That is the entire point of this article and that is exactly what statements like you are posting here undermines.
As far as your focus on Israel and zionism goes…
There is a lot more to 911 than you are perceiving. Yes, the 5 guys dancing were sent by Israeli intelligence service to record the event. We know that, they admitted it. We also know that several neocons were in fact either zionists or dual citizens.
But these people were only playing a part in a plan that dates back nearly two decades which was not, by the way, conceived of by zionists.
But for that matter, Justice Goldstone is also a zionist as is Norm Chomsky. As Norman Finkelstein recently noted, for us to write off all zionists automatically as a point of fact, we diminish our movement.
The Goldstone Report has done as much for our efforts as did the Pentagon Papers back in the day. Are we to write that off simply because it was written by a self admitted zionist?
There is an awakening happening right now and endless rants about the zionists or the Israelis doesn’t help us.
And just for the record, zionism is no different than our Manifest Destiny or even the imperial expansion of reach into Iraq and Afghanistan.
In cases like this one, we have to abide by the law and the general popular opinion of the citizens of the world. And in both cases, because the law is such, the fact is that according to the law there are already two states;Palestine and Israel.
So according to that the Palestian people and the Israeli people as well have a right to their nations as determined by the June 1967 accords.
The recognition of these facts is what I and many others work to achieve.
You are looking at one aspect of 911. Great Britan had foreknowledge, as did Pakistan and Saudi Arabia…
as did our own intelligence services and Wall Street as well.
Now I write all this in the hope that you will read it and understand it. That presumes the idea that no one here is a “paid shill”… that goes for akice and you as well.
But, as that your outlandish insinuations and accusations undermine what I am attempting to do here with this post and with this site in general, I will not continue to allow people to be offended by you.
My tolerance has limits.
… so…. no more porn links akice…. and lighten up francis (I’m going to call you “francis” till you post your name) Mr. No Name.
there will be no other polite warnings given on these matters.
Sounds good to me, Willy. You’re right in all respects. I lambasted AKICE pretty handily without too many regards to th other readers in this blog, for which I am sorry. I am not sorry nor am I apologizing to AKICE. He knows who and what he is, and I think it’s painfully clear to most of us who and what he is, and giving him the benefit of the doubt as to ‘not’ being a paid government shill, is a stretch, but worth honoring and abiding by, Willy.
But you no doubt aware of who Cass Sunstein is, and what that edict of his was about blog infiltration and group infiltration, and otherwise ‘trolling’ to destroy the blogs, and hence, also destroy the information these blogs tend to make available thru reasonable discourse. These people are active in the blogs, and their sole purpose is to silence dissent and to demonize and or marginalize all criticism of Israel and stifle any discussions about the zionists role in both the U.S.S. Liberty attack, and the mossad destruction of three buildings in NYC on Sept. 11, 2001. This token negro we have as an alleged president is on board with this ‘zionist bullshit’ to the degree that his Chief of Shaft is a known MOSSAD asset, as was his father, and as far as I can see, he’s been far more ”top loaded’ with zionists in his cabinet than the last Israeli puppets have been. And lastly, these assholes know that the noose is tightening around their treasonous necks, as more and more people become ‘awake’ and ‘aware’ of Israel’s role in what took place on Sept. 11, 2001. But I digress. My point being, is that when a ‘shill’ hops in here and starts spouting a bunch of shit that is designed to make people more comfortable with TYRANNY and DICTATORIAL POWER, I have a problem with that garbage. I have a problem with assholes who come in here and try to pretend there is no such thing as a
U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. I as a former member of the miltary and in law enforcement as well, have a major problem with those things. I know what propaganda looks like. I can smell that shit a mile away, and I don’t like it, and I will call it out when I see it.
If your assertion is that AKICE is no more than a FOX NOISE tool and ill-informed, so be it, but I disagree. Do I think he’s a ‘paid’ government asset, like one of Cass Sunstein’s boys? No, not now, I do not. But, at the very least, he did sure look like that, and his posting of an alleged pornographic link (which I did not look at, by the way, knowing it was BULLSHIT) kind of tells you that his ‘ANTI SEMITE’ cry came from his jewish and zionist ass, not from some government shill.
But I will respect your decision, this is your blog, and you are right. But make no mistake, the Israeli slime are doing what they can to either label a blog as ‘anti semitic’ and then get it banned, or plant a bunch of pro israeli garbage and see if it sprouts. And that, I’m afraid, goes way beyond the scope of discourse and discussion. It becomes a form of propaganda that this blog, and others, should call out when it is apparently that, and make sure it is known by all members that it was posted by a suspected ISRAELI or U.S. GOVT AGENT.
last point, you are also correct about ‘zionism’ being no more offensive or ugly than ‘manifest destiny’ or the U.S. role in Afghanisvietnam and Iraq. Both of these are ongoing WAR CRIMES, as is the TORTURE and the DRONE MURDERS that the U.S. continues to do, so, to put it bluntly, the filth in Israel are not the only sleaze and mass murderers in the world, at large, the larger one is the U.S., no matter which way you look at it. By far and by large, the U.S. has mass murdered more people on this ball than any other power has, and I am including Nazi Germany to that group. So, no, Israel is far from the largest monster on the block.
I apologize to every blog reader here, except AKICE, for my approach toward him, and I also apologize to WILLY for making him intervene. But I make no apology to ISRAEL, or those who are ZIONISTS.
and I absolutely make no apology for attacking any son or daughter of a bitch in these blogs who proposes that I or any of the rest of us, relinquish our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO DUE PROCESS or any of the other guarantee’s in the Bill of Rights, as well.
The FIRST AMENDMENT, I will abide by, right up until it is clear that what is hiding behind that, is a govenrment planted piece of propaganda, designed to distort or mis-state the truth about Israel, or the U.S., for that matter.
Thank’s, Willy, for your patience. And thank you all for your tolerance of this whole mess.
Alice
Fair enough, Alice. All I ask is that people stick to the topic at hand, and try as best they can to remain civil… unless of course, Its me going off on a rant…
Anyone reading articles here already knows about the injustice of the far right wing Likud policies that are running Israeli policy right now. Just like the neoliberal policies that run our nation.
There are good people working in this country, in the UK, in Palestine and even in Israel right now to try and change this disasterous course of events.
Keep in mind that Jewish people, especially the young people, are waking up to the counterproductive policies that have been in place in the Middle East; Israel’s and ours.
As Finkelstein points out in his latest book, This Time We Went Too Far, public opinion on this topic is shifting in America and Israel.
We don’t need to undermine that dynamic. Last year’s attack on Gaza exposed something that most people had willfully ignored for far too long. Good people are working to pry open that door in the hopes that some kind of legitimate new understanding is taking place.
Just when the world is starting to look down the rabbit hole, it doesn’t do us much good to condemn them for not jumpiing in sooner, does it?
Same holds true for other things people aren’t ready to accept.
Thank you, Willy! And I wanted to make one thing perfectly clear here. If a ‘jewish’ neighbor of mine came under siege by people trying to harm him or her, I would saddle up and go help them fight off their attackers. I wouldn’t hesitate for a second to put my life on the line to help them. And that goes for any other group of people that feel that this stuff has been pointed at ‘jews’ in general.
And, to be right on point, as Willy has stated, Israeli citizens are waking up. A growing number of them are in the streets, protesting and making their own illegitimate and murderous government, not unlike the one we suffer under here, is ‘going too goddamned far’ with it’s killing of innocent palestinians.
I don’t know how to express it, but something about having really laid one’s life on the line for a number of years, and doing that well, if you used your brain and were thoughtful, and didn’t screw up, makes guys and girls alike, who have similar backgrounds, ‘bristle’ at the notion that we should accept TYRANNY under any circumstances, as a false promise to provide us SAFETY.
As for Gaza, I have hope that people like Cynthia McKinney and George Galloway continue to fight the fight, and run the blockades, and make speeches and raise holy hell about what is going on there. It’s all too unfortunate that most couch potoato meat over here on this continent are so ignorant they couldn’t find the Gaza strip on a map if their lives depended on it, let alone care how many IDF sleaze murder innocent palestinians there. Maybe someday, that ‘ignorance’ and ‘indifference’ will, in fact, change.
Right now, the primacy of protecting ourselves from TYRANNY and MORE DICTATORSHIP, as well as force the powers that be to absolutely prosecute the perpetrators who carried out the false flag attacks on Sept. 11th., is there, as is the Gaza debacle. Someday, Willy, I hope to live long enough to see the day that Pelestine is restored to it’s rightful owners, and Israel is but a ‘bad nightmare dream’ to the rest of the world. I don’t believe in the two state solution. That’s as asinine as some home burglar moving into my house and demanding I feed him and give my car keys to him, share my wife with him, and let him call my home ‘his home’, for damned sure. No fucking way will that be acceptable, any more than some cocamamie forced down Palestinian’s throats, two state solution.
The jews need to leave Palestine. They do. It’s not theirs, but it could have been shared had they not just taken it, like common squatters, and expected Palestinians to just roll over and die.
Thanks, Willy for your blog!
I had a chance to read more deeply into your admonishment for being out of line here, which I was, indeed. I had not fully gathered that ‘you’ yourself felt that AKICE was justifiably concerned about ‘domestic terrorism’ and therefore, had a valid point that the Hutaree 9 should be subjected to entrapment and setup by the government, with the ‘end justifies the means’ goal of ‘keeping us all safe..’ as you would assume that would be.
Let me ask you something, Willy. With all of the empirical evidence that is now out there that the F.B.I. was knee deep in the Murrah Building bombing, and in fact, more or less aided in the construction of the truck bomb (and there are pictures of this Ryder truck in an Army facility before the blast, by the way), and there is a very notable former U.S. Army demolitions expert out on the lecture trail, showing how this sole ‘truck bomb’ did not have the power to do the damage we saw done to that building, and that other bombs were in the building, and in-deed found by the authoriites…in light of all of this, and significant evidence that the C.I.A. had their hands in this thing as well…can you truly, wihtout any reasonable doubt, hang that one on ‘domestic terrorism’ truly?
I know McVeigh was pissed off and disgruntled with the U.S. Government, and had good reason for that, but the other evidence that is out there is suggesting that even given that, he would not have been able to carry out this kind of thing without the F.B.I.’s assistance (the inside man the F.B.I. had in the group). Court records show that indeed, this man was inside that organization that allegedly built the device in that truck that blew that building up. For a very very long time. And yet, it still was allowed to go forth.
I want you to go out on a limb with me and ask yourself ‘who’ benefits from making American’s think there is a threat to their security and well being. Is it not the POLICE STATE that has been oh so glad they now have the PATRIOT ACT (enabling act of Hitler, dusted off) and all the other breaches of our FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS, to use against us?
Take it one step further, and then look at what we all know took place on Sept. 11th., 2001, and then how it was ‘almost an act of treason’ to infer the U.S. Govt. had a hand in that for years, until the ACTIVE THERMITIC MATERIAL was found by Niels Haritt and Prof. Steven Jones, and other evidence, such as the collapse of WTC-7, became generally known by the public, though it was never mentioned in the Omission Report (cover up) that was published by Zelikow and buddies. Immediately, two wars were launched, and even more civil liberties were taken away, all in the guise of PROTECTING US ALL FROM TERRORISM.
I submit to you that the OKC Bombing took place because the U.S. Government not only planted multiple charges in the building, but also constructively did SET UP patsies McVeigh and Nichols as a vehicle to destroy that building and begin the path of taking this country into a TOTALITARIAN NIGHTMARE by convincing everyone that the militia’s were EVIL and the government was going to SAVE YOU.
I clearly remember a picture that day of a firefighter in OKC, holding a dead 4 year old child in his arms. That photo, justifiable so, made me weep by myself as I looked at it on the television set, but I never, ever felt ‘good’ about the conclusion that McVeigh and the Militia Movement were responsible for that carnage that day.
And today, I am damned sure they had nothing to do with it, because their sole role was to provide the ‘patsy power’ for the government to frame people and do this so they could begin to aggressively destroy our CIVIL LIBERTIES with increased paranoia and POLICE POWER.
So here we are, many many years later, and we know for a fact the U.S. Government was indeed involved in Sept. 11, 2001 mass murder of American’s, as was the Israeli Government MOSSAD, with a much higher death toll of several thousand, plus the Million an a Half dead Iraqi’s as a subsequent add on, plus the squandered military lives from this nation and Britain.
You know, Willy, you can’t with a straight face tell me there is truly an honest to goodness DOMESTIC TERROR THREAT in the U.S. today.
We live in a police state now where they know what color your gas is before you fart. How can we be more locked down without the formal Martial Law being declared, which we live in under an E.O. that was initially signed on Sept. 14th., 2001, and has been re-issued by Obama just recently???
There’s no domestic terror threat, no more than there is a SPACE ALIEN THREAT, I’m afraid to say.
This is all a bunch of bullshit. And I am so very sad that so many people in this nation are too stupid to see it as just exactly what it is.
We live in a POLICE STATE brought about by a bunch of mass murderers who have no conscience whatsoever, when they can kill little children in Oklahoma CIty and blame it on others, and years later, murder more than 3000 American’s, and then invade two countries and kill more than a million more of those, under the illegitimate premise of KEEPING US SAFE.
what a sad, sad joke it is, Willy. How very sad I live in a nation of idiots and knaves who can believe in this shit.
first, I never suggested that akice implied anything of the sort.
Seems to me that akice is saying he is concerned about the rising authoritarian powers of this nation just like you and I are but he (?) draws the line at government involvement in 911 and so forth.
That is what akice was saying.
Of course there is a threat of domestic terrorism. There is always a threat of domestic terrorism, unless you live in a fascist police state.
The question is, does it justify forcing us all to live under a repressive totalitarian regime.
Any free state, where people are free to choose and not under constant survielance, is always in a position where there COULD be domestic terrrorist acts.
Is the threat “grave” here? no
Is there a subversive group that is planning attacks? I doubt it.
So far, the only group that I have seen who have been steadily planning attacks on this country over and over again, seems to be the Joint Terrorism Task Force.
They also seem to be the only ones with a clear motive.
You see, as far as the neoliberal totalitarian state is concerned, that is the brilliance of the “war on terror”: As long as people are free, it can never be won. It is only in a completely regimented fascist state, where people are not free to move about without permission, where people are constantly watched and their every move carefully scrutinized and recorded, only in THIS state is there “no chance of domestic terror attacks”. And that, my friend, is the state they want. So yes, along comes the FBI and the JTTF to contrive occasional events in order to justify their transitioning us into this Orwellian state.
Now, I would also like you to think about one more thing.
It’s not some radical thought for me to express to you or anyone else that the actions of the US and other NATO forces are creating terrorists in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and elsewhere.
We detain, murder, torture innocent civlilians regularly. We are still doing it.
What is the overall effect of using drones to blow up wedding parties? Do you think the military and CIA are too stupid to understand there will be blowback?
Of course they know. They WANT terrorists; they WANT an excuse to continue the occupations. That’s why they do what they do, that is why those pictures were taken and released at Abu Ghraib.
Now, if you understand that… think about what is happening here in the States… is it the same? Are they deliberately provoking certain elements in America into taking action so they can crack down? I think so.
You got it, Toyota! The Untitled Snakes needs to foment hate and discontent worldwide, to legitimize the out of control Military Industrial Complex that runs this torture gulag for the Rothschilds (FED). If they didn’t trump up and foment hate and discontent, there’d be no strife or need for paranoid propped up by the U.S.S.A. dictatorships to buy U.S. made weapons (but the Saudi’s just sayd Phuck Yieu to these bastards and are buying their stuff from Russia now, instead of the overpriced, ineffective garbage the U.S. death dealers like LowKeyMurder and Boingggg build.
Yes to the ‘provocation’ charge. They have to have plausible deniability for their next false flag event they’re just about ready to spring on us, probably in mid July as best as I can tell.
If you look at the progression of ‘lethality’ of their false flag gigs (they have to this to maintain the STAMPEDE THE HERD shit) then it’s also quite likely the very next one will be a U.S. built nuclear weapon being detonated in a city somewhere in the U.S., and blamed on some fictional extremist group, or AL-CIA-DA as I call them (and AL-CIA-DA is not fiction because they’re based in Tel Aviv and Langley, VA). You knew that Bin Rottin has been dead for a long time, since December 14th., 2001, and that lying son of a bitch Holder just more or less back door admitted it in his statement that they won’t take him alive, because this corrupt government has lost their main patsy and reason for being in Afghanistan. That’s why Adam Gadahn got spawned at Langley to carry on, because the government also knew that the sheeple weren’t as dumb as most of them look.
So, Willy, you got it right. As evil as Israel is, they don’t hold a candle to the murdering scum that occupies this nation’s highest (lowest form of life known to man) offices.
but, people are, in fact, starting to catch on. Perhaps not enough, but it’s better than it was on Sept. 12th, when a whole lot of idiots truly believed that those towers could collapse into their own footprints at freefall speeds, without the center support columns being cut by THERMITE or Controlled Demoliton, put in place by the mossad boys from the moving company the U.S. treasury paid half a million dollars to to do the fucking job.
We are right on the cusp of another false flag, much larger, and this time, they will formally declare MARTIAL LAW we’ve been living under since Sept. 14th., 2001. Count on it.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Run, get under the bed, the boogey man is coming, the boogey man is coming, this week he’s muslim, next week he’ll be polish, the week after that, he’ll be presbyterian. We have to change scapegoats now and then because demonizing one race just gets oh so BORING!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAA!!
(the only way these pathetic psychopaths can control anyone is when they are in ‘fight or flight’ mode from raw, unmitigated FEAR…so the only way to defeat them, is to remember these oh so true words
THE ONLY THING WE HAVE TO FEAR IS FEAR ITSELF!
they like us ‘divided’ and fearful. We’re so very malleable and easy to steer down the chute to the abatoire when we’re in that mode…
time to wake the fuck up and pull the wool back off over your eyes and see them for who and what they truly are!
apparently MSM is going to put on a piece about the OKC bombing. How convenient it will not show the Government rigged bomb in the Ryder Truck at the Army base not far from there. Nor will it show the demolitions teams going into the building and taking out the ‘unexploded’ charges the government put on the support columns that didn’t collapse.
and you can bet your sweet ass that they won’t ever divulge the F.B.I. role in this, or show the agent who helped build the device in the truck.
Or the AL-CIA-DA evidence of Mossad help on this false flag, too!
oh, no, they won’t show that. It’ll just be patsies McVeigh and Nichols, and more “better watch your neighbor, report on your neighbor, be very afraid, everyone is a TERR’IST, be AFRAID….GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
jesus fucking christ, I can’t believe how stupid people are here to believe these lying mass murdering, treasonous filth like this.
Apologies for the “porn” link. It wasn’t really porn but an effort to show that the members of Hutaree are slightly off-kilter. Here’s a synopsis of it:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/scar_my_tattered_body_no_more_with_your_punishing.php?ref=fpblg
As for the “shut up you fascist law enforcement person”; thanks for trying to make me larger than life but that’s about as far from the truth as can be.
The dialog here is interesting and thought provoking… but methinks you guys have watched Brazil too many times. The clique’s are old and stink of teenage pot induced conspiracies. This repressive totalitarian regime still lets you talk smack and walk around with the Black Block and post drivels about alien conspiracies and how McVeigh was a FBI mole.
You know, AKICE, you astound me! I finally figured out your bent out of shape, really distored GOP brain now. You come from a party of jerks who thought it a good idea to invade two countries based on bullshit and lies, at the cost of literally tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers dead, hundreds of thousands of them wounded for life, because of your demented GOP scumbag pipedreams of ‘self defense’ at the barrel of an illegal war and illegal occupation. You jerks took this nation into a THREE TRILLION DOLLAR HOLE that quickly has now mushroomed into a 55 to 60 TRILLION DEFICIT in the long run, for your ‘security’ you all think is necessary. based on your warped, paranoid and nazi like logic, you’d attack your grandmother and nuke her for reaching for a mar’s bar in her apron.
Now I know you’re not a law enforcement person, but a GOP BRAIN DEAD MORON trying to tell us in these weak posts that this bullshit you think is ‘good practice’ by forfeiting the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, for ‘false flag’ ops that your friends at AL-CIA-DA and the F.B.I., carry out and get away with. Have you no clue how much evidence supports that the OKC bombing was, in fact, an F.B.I. owned and operated MURDER OPERATION?? Do you have a clue?? Clearly not.
When you come into blogs like this and try to justify shit that is blatantly against the U.S. Constitution, such as conducting black ops or FALSE FLAGS TO JUSTIFY DESTRUCTION OF CIVIL LIBERTIES and INSTALLATION OF DICTATORSHIP in this country, I hope someday your sorry ignorant ass is incarcerated in one of those KBR camps, waiting to be ‘re-educated’ because you, just like the rest of us, will find yourself on the wrong side of the FASCISM fence faster than you know. Oh, of course, by that time, this nation will well be on it’s way into a CIVIL WAR and a REVOLUTION, brought about by YOUR PARTY LOOTING AND PILLAGING, and of course, I cannot hang it all on you sorry GOP bastards because the DINOCRATS helped you get us her, but make no mistake, your FOX NEWS listening, propaganda parroting faces are only in the 25 percentile range in this nation as a whole, and WE WHO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE, and RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH, are in the majority.
Take a good hard look at good reliable, non FOX polls, about what the public believes about OKC and 9/11, and the FALSE FLAG OPS the U.S. Government carried out against U.S. Citizens, and also, while your ignorant GOP ass is doing that, go find a copy of ‘OPERATION NORTHWOODS’ and get a handle on that.
You piles of ignorant dog turds are just amazing. And I’m sorry, WILLY, but this kind of ignorance is inexcusable, and the portion of the nation that believes the same bullshit this moron AKICE believes, are not going to be won over by coddling them in these blogs. They are IRREPARABLY BRAIN DAMAGED by FOX NOIZE propaganda, and the delusion that ‘protecting the nation’ has to come at the end of a gun barrel or an illegally justified invasion and war based on lies.
As a veteran, I cannot stand for that ignorance, and it’s far worse than just ignorance, it’s flat out STUPIDITY, and you can cure ignorance, but you cannot fix STUPID,and these GOP SCUM are flat out and out, STUPID!
I’m sorry if I offended the rest of you, but the GOP PARTY would turn this nation into another destroyed, nazi WEIMAR REPUBLIC if they ever ever get in power again, no matter how ‘alike’ and joined at the hip the two parties are, the GOP is just a bit more insane and scummy, and CONSTITUTION DESTROYING, as much as I see the Obombya administration as an EXTENSION OF THE BUSH NUTCASE’s rule over this destroyed, bankrupted by the GOP, nation.
we are utterly, totally destroyed by the 8 long years of GOP rule of this country, and yes, the DINO’s had a hand in it, but the GOP absolutely drove the car over the goddamned cliff, and we are not going to recover because of what these GOP son’s of bitch’s has done in their dominionist, fucked quest to bring about Armageddon and WW-III, in the name of a god that just does not exist.
RE: TYMBAGBSFTBALEO
This is where your libertarian / anarchists diatribe fails. You continually compare Bush to Obama and say there’s no difference. sorry – but it was the far left who put Bush in office when they hung Gore out to dry in order to support Nader’s continually failed bid for presidency. If you really really really think there is no difference between Bush and Obama then you’re an idiot.
I’ll be the first to agree that Obama has turned more towards the center after campaigning further left — but to say there’s no difference (while at the same time railing against Bush’s 8 years) then you need wake up.
As for the the whole 9-11 / implant / OK City / and other tinfoil hat schemes… yes – I think you’re crazy. You probably also believe that the govt. is keeping a lid on the impending alien invasion.
you know, AKICE, you are just a GOP dickbrain, who’d suck George Bush off if he dropped his cocaine and spirochete infested dong onto your tongue. You sneak in here and post shiit that clearly comes right out of Faux Noize and you haven’t got a clue what the fuck is going on. you throw up inane, stupid shit and then you think that impresses us. Why don’t you go back to your couch, tune in Faux, and zone out. And pray for jeezus to come! yeah, that’s the ticket, maybe you can beam your stupid republican ass up to the next Hale Bopp comet that goes by!!
cyanide is cheap, y’know!
don’t come back in here with horse shit from Faux Noize Chunnel, puleeeeze!!!!!! Enough is fucking enough out of your stupid republican ass!!!!
Okay, AKICE, here’s the plan, bud. I’m going to extend my hand in ‘friendship’ and stop whacking you in the face with the fish. Clearly coming at you with a broad axe isn’t doing anything to get your head out of your ass, so I am going to offer up some words of wisdom and I want you to polish up your belly button just well enough to see the writing on the wall here:
First, I think it’s time that you and I got something clear here. First, you’re being fucked in the ass by these criminals, just as I am, whether or not you know it or want to admit it. Everything you ever thought you owned, or have yet to truly own, is being taken away by ‘them’ and by ‘them’ I mean, the zionist bank jew bastards ROTHSCHILDS, and that’s the truth. Your jack offiian party, the GOP, is completely and utterly highjacked by pricks that would sell their mommies for twenty five cents and smirk about what a bargain they got becuz ‘she was a virgin!!” But, alas, my party is headed up by the same Israeli HYDRA that is sucking the life’s blood out of all of us, irregardless of which party we belong to. I want you to push the lint out of your belly button enough to read this, bud…but all this terrorism shit you have been believing, is pure, unmitigated HORSE HOCKEY, my blind, brainwashed friend. The only ‘enemy’ we face is our own federal government, which is an extended arm of the Israeli KNESSET in every way. The entity we hear about called the FED, which got it’s sucker mouth on all of our aorta’s in 1913, is bleeding this nation dry, with the help of both parties, which are JOINED AT THE HIP, dude. The only terrorists are the ones in Washington, D.C. and in Tel Aviv. Nobody of Islamic faith poses any more of a threat to you than Santa Claus or the Tooth Faerie do. Are you still trying to see, my blind, fellow american? I hope you are!
So, here’s the deal: As long as you and I are perpetually at each other’s throats, over ideology that was imprinted on us, mine by common sense and research, yours by a bunch of sycophants at Faux Noize, we’re ‘divided’ and hence, quite ‘conquered’ by these parasites.
I offer you a hand in genuine friendship if you will only pull your head out of your butt long enough to see that what I say is not your bullshit, but it is in fact, true.
Join hands with those of us who know the truth, have not been drinking the goddamned KOOL AID as you apaprently have been, and help get this nation out of it’s ignoramus rut of scapegoating and stupid assed paranoid delusions about the Muslim people and all foreigners being our ENEMY. Pull your head out and join hands with us
I offer the hand up out of the ignorance, AKICE. If you choose to be an asshole and not take it, that’s your own choice, but I hope you understand that we are only helping those who destroy this nation by forever being at each other’s throats.
We can disagree till you wake the fuck up. But don’t waste this chance to get your head out of your ass and see the truth about who’s really fucking you in the ass. It’s not me, bub. It’s your GOVERNMENT, and ISRAEL, not the Muslims, not the other people in other countries, but the miserable parasitic pricks in the U.S. Government, and the Israeli government, and the Military Industrial Complex, and yes, the DEM and GOP party who are jointed in only one purpose, and that is to LOOT YOU AND ME TILL WE OWN ABSOLUTELY NOT ONE FUCKING THING.
I urge you to take the hand up and out of your toilet you live in, and wake up. Do it now, or forever leave those of us who know the truth the FUCK ALONE, because we just don’t want to hear your paranoid delusions about Muslims, or fake terrorists, or the need to kill people in other countries for our Corporations and our filthy, blood lusting government. Join those of us who know who is truly taking the nation down. It is not us, AKICE, it is THEM.
Join the rest of us who know who the enemy is. Do it before you get the hard hard awakening way too late to save your ignorant, poorly informed, FAUX NOIZE loving ass. Do it now.
a CARROT vs a STICK here wrote:
” the zionist bank jew bastards ROTHSCHILDS”
What’s with the anti-Semitic rants? I suppose you’ll now tell me that the holocaust was also a Jewish media perpetuated myth.
a CARROT vs a STICK here wrote:
“Nobody of Islamic faith poses any more of a threat to you than Santa Claus or the Tooth Faerie do. ”
Wow… I’d love to live in your B&W world where the only bad guys are the feds. Is just like what Mulder and Scully were telling us all along…
let’s not undermine a good point you make, akice, with a cheap “tinfoil hat” type “X-Files” reference, ok? You know damn well that conspiracies happen in this country, so don’t undercut your good points with Glenn Beckesque talking points, OK?
The good point you make is the fact that we can do without the “jew bastards” comments.
Fact is, yes, the Rothchilds have been planning and scheming for years, to marry the banking sector and the ruling class. its not “news”.. pay attention… if you live in this country and you can’t see that yet, you are blinder than Stevie Wonder.
But including terms like “jew bastards” in your statement, carrot and stick, just gives people a reason to turn off what you are saying and then they can ignore the validity of the rest of your comment.
Fact is, a great number of Israeli and American jewish people work hard every day to try and correct the problems in Palestine. There are a number of organizations like B’TSelem and others that risk everything to help our cause. They’re jews too and good people. Most jewish people are.
So do me a favor, do yourself one, lay off comments like that. Keep pointing out the Rothchilds and zionism if you like, just don’t lump all members of a certain religon into one big pile. Doesn’t work for the Muslims, Doesn’t work for the Christians, and it doesn’t work for the Jews.
thanks
You once again make a good point, Willy. It’s hard to be vigilant and cognizant that yes, there indeed are a lot of people of jewish faith who don’t deserve to be heaped into this ZIONIST nightmare we’re sinking deeper and deeper into.
One thing I would like to point out about a significant number of JEWS as well as CATHOLICS, as they’re both actively in DE NILE over the roles their brethren played in majorly gumming up the works of the world. The ‘JEWS’ for over inflation of the holocaust, and I do mean OVER INFLATION OF IT more for desire to whip up ‘pity’ and ‘sympathy’ over the deaths of a lot of people of jewish faith at the hands of Hitler.. But let’s get something cleared up here, Willy. The Russians lost about 20 million PLUS in world war two, and you don’t see them running bullshit on television stations like they did in New York for years, where all you saw was dead bodies being heaped into graves by nazi’s. You’d think that with 20-40 million dead, you’d have a major issue with the german people over that shit, now wouldn’t you? And, let’s take a good look at the CATHOLICS right now. They’ve been knee deep in one form of mass murder, aka INQUISITIONS, for centuries, and now, pedophilia, and their first instinct is to cover that up and act like a cat burying a huge turd in the litter box.
I’ll be the first one to say that ‘jew bastards’ truly is a bit of a stretch, but ZIONIST BASTARDS absolutely fits that foot awfully good. If you read the translated TALMUD and see how the people of the jewish faith see us ‘goyim’ as inferior creatures, who can and should be killed off at all costs, then suddenly this crap about the Muslims seems to be a bit overblown and pale’s in comparison.
My point is that yep, there are a lot of good JEWISH people in the world, but their tribe that ripped off Palestine and renamed it Israel, certainly isn’t winning any major propaganda wars by killing American’s on U.S. Soil on Sept. 11, 2001, or in 1967, murdering sailors on the U.S.S. Liberty, either.
I’ll allow your criticism of the ‘jew bastards’ post because you’re right. But the rest of it stands. Every word. As for AKICE, he’s still lost in space without his fucking helmet on, and when he’s not shipping porn links here, he’s dismissing this all as ‘conspiracy theory’ tin foil hat shit, and hence, he’s absolutely, beyond any reasonable doubt, either a true to life SHILL, or so badly and sadly malformed in the brain by the Faux Noize shit, that he’s well outside the realm of anyone you can reason with. It’d been nice to welcome him to the fold of people with a working brain, and not have to relegate him to the trash heap of republican’s without their own neural processes or genuine thoughts of their own.
thanks, Willy!
I wanted to ask Willy if he wonders why exactly this AKICE asshole likes to whip out the ‘anti semite’ card so fast? If he were truly just a stupid fucked up head up ass REPUBE-LICKER, he wouldn’t immediately draw that card and act like the whole table is going to bow to his skanky ISRAELI SUPPORTING ASS.
and only a ‘cognitive dissonance’ Cass Sunstein flavored asswipe would come in here and toss that card so fucking fast as AKICE did.
So, I’m going to change my opinion on who and what AKICE is. He is a fucking jack offian GOVERNMENT ADL/ SPLC / MOSSAD SHILL trying to toss the ANTI SEMITISM card at first sign of the ‘J’ letter of the word JEW.
and that, Willy, means GOVERNMENT INFILTRATOR SCUM, that’s what it means.
especially with the straw man erected horse shit of his about tinfoil hat craziness and “Oh, Mulder and Scully were right..” horse shit.
Instead of saying; “uh, wait a minute, show me the proof of ISRAELI INVOLVEMENT in 9/11 mass murder, you get PORNO LINKS and jack offian comments from the fucker.
IF that’s not a Cass Sunstein following turd blossom from Tel Aviv, and a MOSSAD screwjob in drag, I don’t know what is.
and Willy, I’m afraid to tell you, ZIONIST.
a ZIONIST afraid to come out and ceclare his assholean ass here and say; “goddamned straight, I am a JEW and a ZIONIST…and FUCK YOU” which is in essence, the way he came at us with the porno link in that posting with the MAZEL TOV horse shit in it.
MAZEL TOV, Israeli fuckwad AKICE. MAZEL FUCKING TOV to your shill ass, dude!!! You’re BUSTED, asshole!
Statement by Richard Lynn, Professor Emeritus, University of Ulster, December 5, 2005:
“I’ve checked out the six volumes of Churchill’s Second World War and the statement is quite correct – not a single mention of Nazi ‘gas chambers,’ a ‘genocide’ of the Jews, or of ’six million’ Jewish victims of the war.
Eisenhower’s Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; Churchill’s Second World War totals 4,448 pages; and De Gaulle’s three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages.
In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi ‘gas chambers,’ a ‘genocide’ of the Jews, or of ’six million’ Jewish victims of the war.”
http://www.reddirtreport.com/news.php?id=15062
I think the fake holocaust post pretty much sums up the mindset of people responding to my posts.
I must admit – I have become of fan of Willy’s posts. They make you think and read links you normally wouldn’t read. But when you have people posting “evidence” of government involvement in OK City and “evidence” of a holocaust hoax then it pretty much shows that you guys are lunatics.