Posse Comitatus Finis

by Scott Creighton

According to the Army Times, on Oct. 1st the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team is coming home. Coming home to start a new dwell-time mission just like their last one in Iraq, here on U.S. soil, in full “battle rattle” gear. This is in direct conflict with the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 and the MSM is ignoring it completely.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.” Army Times 

They will be stationed in Fort Stewart, Ga. but under the control of Northern Command. Which is quite ironic considering that Posse Comitatus was first established as a deal struck between the North and South after the Civil War; where in the North promised not to garrison troops in the South and to allow them their own policing of civilian unrest. Now, here we are throwing out the valuable lessons taught by history by having U.S. Army troops, controled by the North, stationed in the South to help with “civil unrest”.

Many will claim that the John Warner Defense Appropriation Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122.ENR) establishes sufficiant congressional Authorization for the President to use such force, however, they tend to forget that the wording of that act was repealed in 2008.

Following that repeal, the President issued his own “signing statement” that effectively said he would not abide by the laws of the land; once again.

President Bush Signs H.R. 4986, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 into Law

Today, I have signed into law H.R. 4986, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008. The Act authorizes funding for the defense of the United States and its interests abroad, for military construction, and for national security-related energy programs.

Provisions of the Act, including sections 841, 846, 1079, and 1222, purport to impose requirements that could inhibit the President’s ability to carry out his constitutional obligations to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, to protect national security, to supervise the executive branch, and to execute his authority as Commander in Chief. The executive branch shall construe such provisions in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President.

GEORGE W. BUSH

THE WHITE HOUSE,

January 28, 2008.

The penalty for stationing troops on U.S. soil is quite clear yet somehow this has been completely ignored by not only the press, but by our leaders in congress.

Sec. 1385. – Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus
Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. Wiki 

 

 Things are going to get bad folks, real soon.

Now, let me ask this: how long does it take to set the orders to station these troops on U.S. Soil, and how did they just happen to pick Oct. 1st as the date, that as it just so happens is just after this whole “financial crisis” just happened to occure? What a coincidence, huh? Almost like this credit emergency had been planned for quite sometime.

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36 Responses

  1. WILLY, THIS ABOVE IS NOT HOW I PREPARED IT CAN YOU GET RID OF OF IT AND ILL DO IT OVER

  2. What in the world has bush done to America…..

  3. * THIRD INFANTRY DIV *
    1ST BDE COMBAT TEAM

    UNITS THAT MAKE UP THIS COMBAT TEAM ARE AS FOLLOWS

    **3RD BATT 69TH ARMOR**
    THREE LINE COMPANIES A,B AND C, ONE HQ COMPANY
    APPROX 26 M1A’S, ASST WHEELED VEHICLES 4 M-88’S

    **2ND BATT 7TH INFANTRY (MECH)**
    PROBABLY CONSISTS OF FIVE LINE COMPANIES, ONE HQ COMPANY
    25 BRADLEY FIGHTING VEHICLES (ESTIMATED)
    ASST WHEELED VEHICLES EST 200 COMBAT INF PERSONEL

    **5TH SQUADRON 7TH CAV** (PART OF CUSTERS OLD COMMAND)
    ANOTHER MECHICNIZED INFANTRY UNIT
    PROBABLY CONSISTS OF 5 LINE COMPANIES, ONE HQ COMPANY
    EQPT WITH NEW STRYKER WHEELED COMBAT ASSAULT VEHICLE
    UNKOWN HOW THESE NEW STRYKER UNITS ARE CONFIGURED
    REASONABLE TO ASSUME COMBAT INF PERSONEL NUMBER OVER 200

    (note: in combat arms line companies, the HQ company, the HQ pltn consists
    of all combat support function personel IE.command function, maintainence function, mess personel, medical personel, supply personel, recon and mortar personel etc.)

    **1st BATTALION 41ST FIELD ARTILLERY**
    EQPT WITH M-109A6 (PALADIN) 155 MM SELF PROPELLED HOWITZER
    (PROBABLE) LINE BATTERIES, ONE HQ COMPANY
    ESTIMATED NUMBER OF GUNS-15 TOTAL

    **1ST BATTALION 3RD BTB**
    MILLITARY POLICE COMPANY
    PRISONOR DENTION FACILITY COMPANY
    INTELLENGENCE COMPANY
    COMBAT COUNTER INSURGENCY COMPANY
    AREA WIDE COMO COMPANY
    COMBAT ENGINEER COMPANY
    EOD COMPANY
    INTERNAL SECURITY COMPANY (FORCE PROTECTION)

    **3RD SSB BATTALION** (FULL FUNCTION COMBAT SUPPORT)
    COMPANY A-SUPPLY AND TRANSPORTATION
    COMPANY B-FIELD MAINT
    COMPANY C-MEDICAL INCLUDES 4 FORWARD MASH UNITS
    COMPANY D-ASSIGNED TO SUPPORT 5TH BATT 7TH INF
    COMPANY E-ASSIGNED TO SUPPORT 3RD BATT 69TH ARM
    COMPANY F-ASSIGNED TO SUPPORT 2ND BATT 7TH INF
    COMPANY G-ASSIGNED TO SUPPORT 1ST BATT 41ST ATTY

    IN MY SEARCH THROUGH THE OFFICIAL 1st BDE COMBAT TEAM SITE
    I FOUND NO MENTION WHAT SO EVER REF ANY ASSIGNED HEAVY ROTOR WING ACFT COMPANY. A UNIT SUCH AS THIS WILL REQUIRE CH-47 HEAVY LIFT CAPACITY ROTOR WING ACFT, AS WELL AS MED AND LITE LIFT CAPACITY ACFT, AND GUN SHIP COMBAT ASSAULT ACFT. IT MAY BE AN OUTSIDE AVAITION COMPANY WILL BE ASSIGNED ON AN “AS AVAILABLE” BASIS. YOU CAN COUNT ON A COMBAT UNIT SUCH AS THIS TO HAVE HEAVY LIFT CAPACITY, AND GUN SHIP SUPPORT ASSETS MADE AVAILABLE FOR ANY AND EVERY DEPLOYMENT.

  4. ONE CORRECTION DIRECTED TO 1ST BATT 41 ATTY SHOULD BE 3 LINE BATTERIES.
    FIVE GUNS EACH (ESTIMATED) I BASE MY ESTIMATES ON HOW THESE TYPE UNITS WERE CONFIGURED WHEN I SERVED, THIS BY NO MEANS CAN BE CONSIDERED 100 PERCENT ACCURATE. BUT IT IS PROBABLLY ROUGHLY CLOSE I IMAGINE

  5. “THEY MAY BE CALLED UPON TO HELP WITH CIVIL UNREST AND CROWD CONTROL”

    This above statement, is all that we as citizens, need to have concern with. If, for any reason, this regimental combat team is ever deployed into any of our cities, those residents will have direct contact with these troops In any large metro area they deploy to, and they most likely will be deployed into large metro areas only, most likely,they most certainly WILL be supported by what ever state their in, by that state’s national guard recources. So count on at least two additional battalions of some sort of unit type. Always remember, if you have theoritically, a full batt of cooks only, their still basic infantrymen and can assist regular Army units. They can carry a weapon, and fire it, they just may not be worth a shit. They won’t look that way though.

    CITIZENS, who are motivated,,,for what ever reason,,,,to resist and engadge in ANY type of offensive combat,,,,against this particular type of combat unit, and this is an OFFENSIVE ENGADGEMENT type unit, must,,,,,,,,
    AT ALL COST, advoid to the extent possible,,,direct conflict close order battle with the two infantry line units. Be advised, this is a combined arms unit, which means the heavy armor will be intigrated into their battle oeganization and will fight in support of, or, supported by, the infantry ground assault troops. SO remember,,WHERE THERE ARE TANKS, THE INFANTRY WILL BE VERY CLOSE BY!. VERY CLOSE!!! THAT IS STANDARD BATTLE DOCTORINE. ARMOR AND INFANTRY ALWAYS FIGHT IN SUPPORT OF EACH OTHER!
    MIA’S, BRADLEYS, STRYKERS, BOOTS ON THE GROUND, AND THEY ARE JUST A PHONE CALL AWAY FROM ACQUIREING 155MM INDIRECT FIRE SUPPORT FROM THE ARTY BATT’S.
    THATS COMBINED ARMS BATTLE DOCTORINE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. YOU ADVOID CONTACT WITH THESE LINE UNITS FOR TO DO SO, MOST CERTAINLY MEANS YOUR QUICK, PERHAPS NOT, VIOLENT DEATH! YOUR NO GOOD TO THE CAUSE DEAD!! SO DON’T GET DEAD BY EXPOSING YOUR SELF TO THESE TYPE OF ASSAULT UNITS.
    OOOH NO! THAT AIN’T HOW IT’S GONNA BE. THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO ENGADGE A UNIT HEAVEILY mechicnized LIKE THIS,,,,,,,,,cut them off from desiel fuel. destroy all the desiel fuel. burn it all. get rid of every drop. dont attack the units, instead, declare war against the existence of desiel fuel. keosene,,,git rid of it. home heating oil,,,,,git rid of it. supertankers sitting in ports, destroy them. rail road tanker cars,,,get rid of them. desiel fuel does not shoot back. it sits quietly waiting to be destroyed. Do this one tactic, only, and in no time you’ll get to see something really funny. you’ll get to see some really pissed off tankers, and stryker and bradley crews turned into legg infantry humpin on their sore backs, all that can then carry to fight. You take away all their rides, and make them walk everywhere, and they’ll lose half their will to survive. That is, the ones who remain on that side of the conflict. My guess is they suffer better than 40% losses to those who come over to our side. There is more i can say here,,,,but i think i have said enough for now.

  6. I FORGOT TO ASK THE FBI GUYS MONITERING THIS SITE IF THEY GOT ALL THAT DOWN. YOU GOT IT STRAIGHT GUYS? DESTROY THE DESIEL FUEL. iF YOU DO IT WELL, JEADGAR HOOOOVER WILL BE WAITIN FER YA AT THOSE PURLEY GATES WITH
    21 VIRGINS.

  7. I believe October 1st is also the start of the U.S. fiscal year, or just after the end of the last fiscal year. Typically that’s when financial revelations become public. The same is true of financial firms – September 30 represents the end of the third quarter, so by October 1 we should start seeing some details about their financial situation as well.

    I can envision a scenario in which those revelations are so horrendous that they trigger financial chaos, such as a stock market crash or a run on the dollar.

    Dave

    http://daveeriqat.wordpress.com/

  8. Hey Scott, we’re listening. Don’t they bring their own supply of fuel?

  9. Isn’t that ineresting…. Dave…. so that is why this bail-out has to be done now… to save turmoil on Oct 1….. it is a temporary plug in the demise of wall street but a bail out should hold up until jan of 2009 and then all hell breaks loose on the new president. by then the bankers will literally own america and will not need stock markets or wall street.

  10. The following is submitted only as food for thought. I realized, after writting all this below, that this could cause me some immediate personal difficulty. So, just so we understand each other, Im not telling anyone to go out and do anything criminal. On the contrary, don’t do what im talking about below. stay home, lock your doors, and hide. Living under illeagal martial law can’t be too bad can it? If, they set up ID check points to see your papers, AND,,,,If they give us all freakin papers in the first place, then, we’ll have papers to show them, when they say to us ” PAPAAAS! ve vant to seee yooo papaaas!” Then ill say, “shiiiiit nigga, heres my muuufukin papers mann,,,,,, you holdin?” Well, as usual,,,,I don’t do disclaimers very well.

    Regarding fuel…..

    They would have to have a source beyond their normal transport capacity.
    you cannot imagine the daily quantity of fuel they require. They would require a vast quanty that would be on hand in the immediate area they would operate in.

    Now, lets talk about Alpha company of the third SSB battalion. This is the S&T company. (supply and transportation). These are all the trucks that transport everything from where ever their supply point is located, out to the field units.

    Every city will have whats called “bulk plants” to store gasoline and desiel fuel, in large upright tanks. These are the sources that the retail gas stations receive their fuel from, that they sell. At some immediate point, the refueling platoon, of alpha company and some of the force protection squads from the 1st Battallion 3rd BTB , will sieze all these bulk plants and secure them, and this will be their first immediate source for fuel. Their not going to bring half a million gal’s of fuel with them from Ft Stewart. And beleive it or not, most of the fuel’s consumed in this country, is transported via intra-state pipelines. For instance, all the jet-a fuel used at KANSAS CITY INT. AIRPORT, is brought in to the bulk plant on the MCI property, via pipe line. So therefore, in the major metro centers, all the bulk plants in these locations receive their fuel’s, via pipe line. Bulk fuel is also transported via tanker barges accross the ohio river, and up and down the Mississippi river. Rail roads can also transport vast quantities of liquid fuels. There are many different types of tank cars in the rail road business. some are transporting very dangerious chemicals. but dangerious chemicals, the types that can’t be exposed to normal fire fighting methods, are kept well away in consists of flamible fuel loads that permit normal fire fighting methods. Thats the good news. The bad news is, greg and I are probably the only two here who can identify the correct tank car type that is used for transporting fuel loads. And ill bet Greg is a little more on the ball in that regard, than I am.

    The key to successful resistence is the immediate disruption of local fuel reserves, in the short term, and the disruption of regional reserves for the long term. The germans lost big time at the battle of the buldge because of shortage of fuel. The weakness of any mechinized army, is fuel.

    but to hell with all of you if you think IM going out there and do this shit especially If they give me papers, and im holdong. then, im stayin home.

  11. Well, the idea of disrupting the fuel supply is all well and good, but, before you start planning the American Insurgency on my site, without being asked to, perhaps we should take a lesson from history.

    Just because the Army Times writes about this, and just because the President breaks the law and uses U.S. soldiers on our soil against us, does NOT mean the soldiers are behind it nor does it mean they will carry out orders to attack US Citizens.

    This was the problem for the military industrial complex back in the late 60’s and early 70’s; they underestimated the patriotism of the average US soldier and figured they would do whatever Uncle Sam told them to do.

    Google Fox Tango Alpha. There is a good video on this, in fact, I put it up on my site months ago, when I first addressed this issue.

    Regardless of what that dickhead over on ADS says, the VAST majority of US soldiers in combat do NOT just follow orders blindly nor do they think they are “defending freedom” anymore. They know what the US is doing over there, far better than we do.

    The idea of bringing that kind of chaos and oppression home to their neighbors probably pisses off MANY of them, just like it did in the Vietnam Era.

    So, THAT is the weakness of the machine; and ultimately OUR strength.

    Not fuel supply lines. People.

    OUR people. OUR soldiers. OURS. Not his.

  12. Well hell, I have been saying that very same thing! You said it much better though. I think sending our troops off on some bullshit affair in a foriegn land is one thing, but utilizing them here, to oppress American citizens, will backfire on the government! The attitude im getting from the local Iraqi experienced national guard people, is a negitive attitude toward any action directed toward Americans like what they did over there.

    so, in the end, what I say above, I beleive, will never materialize. And you know, this is directly the result of elected representitives, and appointed people, within the Bush administration, thinking they can get away with this, and them not ever having ever served in any millitary service, results in their lack of understanding, or knowledge of the thinking you will find within our uniformed personel. Hell, I use myself as an example. Prior service, and all that, and what am I doing? telling you all how to easily fuck up what appears to be a formidible millitary unit that otherwise, you may be very fearfull of. I mean, you SHOULD fear this unit. They can reign fire and brimstone down on you. But now you all know the primary weakness to mechinized units such as this. And that is THE weakness that can be exploited.

    Im not, I hope, overstepping my bounds by disclosing this information here willy. The article was there, and the implications are, that this unit may be unleashed against us! Well, hold on. here is what you can possibly do in that situation. And I take full responsibillity for the disclosure.But, I take this responsibillity in the face of the implication of what the intent entails if this unit should EVER be unleashed upon us. It will certainly be in conjunction with a lot of other misconduct committed by this government. Misconduct that has been discussed here.

    Since I am particularly fond of you Willy, and everyone else here, for that matter, I feel duty bound to disclose to you all, what I know about mechinized units, that I learned first hand from serving with mechinized units. But your correct Willy, the guys will never go for this shit the government has in mind, for this unit.

  13. I don’t mind you posting whatever you feel you need to in here, Scott. Any acurate information is good information in my book.

  14. Let me give you an example; remember that video I posted here from the RNC or the DNC convention, where that college girl was holding the flower as the riot-dressed cops passed her by… and then one of them shoved her and knocked the flower out of her hand, then another maced her?

    Remember those two asshole punk-ass cops? Fucking pussies.

    Well, I offer you and others this to ponder; 50 or so passed her by first without any aggression whatsoever…

    They walked right by and a few even stepped aside so as not to pump into her.

    What does that tell you? Yes there are some bad apples out there that get their pussyass rocks off bullying children. And yes, the rest did what they were told to do, they moved the protesters back…

    …but the vast majority of them didn’t do so in a way that inflicted harm on the protesters. So what is going to happen when they are told to do that very thing?

    And these are the cops and deputies… not even the soldiers. I think there is a glimmer of optimism we can take from that.

  15. one last thing, I would like to submit, in my defense. If I may.
    I never advicated harming any of our troops. Just seperating them from their fuel reserves. The tactical objective being, the rendering of this unit, to what ever is possible, to combat ineffectiveness thereby nutralizing this as a usible asset for the corupt government that would dare turn this unit on us. And lets face it, this unit turned against us can be viewed as a serious situation in it’s implication. Seperating them from their fuel, I think, can be seen more as a political move, than an armed insurectional move at least, in the final analysis.

  16. yeah i remember that video. i also remember the one whare the kid came up behing the fat pig cop dragin the dude and the kid did something to the cop who let go of the guy he was dragin. and your right willy, there will always be a few rouge types who are like francis who said.”all i know is i finally get to kill someone”

  17. Keep you powder dry, boys, there’s something in the air.

  18. Strange about Scott’s comments that when a ‘unit’ comes in, it takes over the location’s fuel supply. This unit is being positioned in Georgia and in the past week, citizens of Georgia have had a hard time finding fuel… gas pumps claim they have not enough fuel for an average day of customers.
    Isn’t that strange? or is it related?

  19. No jan, I don’t think it’s related to this combat team arriving in Ft stewart Georgia. What I was refering to Jan, was if and when this unit is ever deployed for what ever reason, to what ever city, they will utilize the fuel resources within that immediate local area where there deployed to.

    I have one final thing to advise, and those who read it, I want you to never forget it. There is a reason. that reason will for now,
    go undisclosed.

    When this unit gets deployment orders, to an American city, they will be transported, by rail, to where ever their deployed to.

  20. OK… I will remember that although I don’t think I would even know who or what a train is transporting…. a tarin is big and noisy but it can still sneak up on me with what ever it is carrying.

  21. All the eqpt will be on 80 ft 120 ton 6 axle flat cars with TTX reporting marks. Either on the NORFOLK SOUTHERN, or CSX R.R.

  22. Well, the next time I see a train go pass my house, I’ll check to see if it is loaded with box cars of your description… come to think of it… most cars on a train consist of a lot of flat cars and strange markings on them….
    Humphrey…. the only trains I ever see are across town and then only if it stops traffic and I have to wait on it….. it would help if these special cars are painted a bright orange or something…. besides, the armed services are always moving stuff….. that’s there biggest duty… to move stuff from one base to another…..

  23. jAN. THEY JUST DRIVE THE STUFF RIGHT UP ON THE FLAT CAR, CHAIN IT DOWN AND GO. BELEIVE ME, WHEN YOU SEE A MAJOR TROOP MOVEMENT, BY RAIL, OF MILLITARY EQPT, YOU’LL KNOW.

  24. OK…. if I see one, I’ll let you know….. with the bail out passed and like everyone knows, the money for it is just printed paper backed by no one…. the short pick up will last only until jan of 2009…. heloooo new president….

  25. If you do actually observe this unit passing through your location, It’ll be a south bound from Savanna.

  26. What? I am supposed to stop the train and ask where it departed from? OH… I see. That’s where my cables come in. I wave them at the train driver and he stops for me…. OK

  27. Now, where ever did I ever imply, you should stop this train movement?

  28. Pardon me, Sir Humphrey, but you suggested I make sure the train was south bound from Savanna….. so if I spot such a train , I have to ask them where they’re rolling from. I wouldn’t have time to flash a sign at them with my question ….
    would I Sir?

  29. ok baby,,,,,,,your rite,,,,im sorry.

  30. Excuse me…… I sit here with my cup of tea and my mind is stunned….. I can’t move. Scott Humphrey says I am ‘rite’… I am copying this for my records…. me… I am ‘rite’ about something. But what really atonishes me is the briefity of Scott’s words….he posted only six words in a comment.
    That worries me.
    You OK, Scott…. you sick?
    Yeah…. I get the feeling the passing of Paul Newman really upset you…. me too. NOthing is forever…. if ‘he’ left us , then I guess that means that ‘we’ will go to …. but you got 50 more years, Scott….. drink water and take your vitamins.

  31. And I met every word of it Jan honny. That was an appology from my heart. I upset you, and that inturn, upset me. We couldn’t have that now, could we? You stay way clear of those R R tracks and those moving trains anyhow.

  32. I have put off answering this because I respect your inteligence.. to a point…
    I am not your ‘honny’…. you have never upset me… you have amused me with your (I think it was intentional by you) postings of ‘how to fight the enemy…. a supposed ‘group’ of your imaginings….)
    Your injury that took you to whinning about pain aroused fear that maybe you were incapable of taking care of your self… I don’t want anyone to be in pain…. I honestly tried to encouage you to see a doctor… because you are human… I think…
    I certainly have enough sense to avoid trains… and the tracks…. maybe you have trouble trying to figure out the safe area of them… DO NOT STAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TRACKS….. DO NOT ALLOW YOUR VEHICLE TO BE CAUGHT ON THE TRACKS….. DO NOT DEPEND ON THE RED FLASHING LIGHTS… in fact, maybe you should just stay in your house and cover your head up….

  33. “…keep asking questions…” – Albert Einstein.
    Why is Bush able to ignore the Posse Comitatus Act?
    What is it that gives reason for this act?
    Why now (just recently)?
    If the media and democrats hate bush so much, why are we the ones talking about this, and not them?
    Why was Bush so pushing for the first bail-out to occur, to get it signed quickly?
    Why did Nancy declare marshal law for the house and strong-arm this bail-out to be signed?
    Why did the reasons, and the perps, behind the bailout get zero press? Why isn’t the cause for the crisis being addressed BEFORE a bail-out is signed?
    Do you not understand how this bail-out serves only to create greater financial stress/weight?
    Why would the Commander in Chief both jam a bail-out through AND bring home an armored division to the homeland?
    I don’t know where Osama is or care, nor do would I have a reason to believe anything he said, Islam is a lie, so who knows what the following statement means, but perhaps there is a hint at the reason why he is the #1 most sought after person on earth, “I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity.”.
    What does Osama have to gain in saying such a thing; if he is wrong he is a lunatic forever and given no credibility, if he is proved right, he gains credibility, which is his end goal as proponent of Islam – he is willing to be perceived as nuts until proved right. Now, that will not make me a muslim, since I’ve already believed this statement, but y’all might want to keep asking questions…and get ready.

  34. They have new places to train under the omnibus land act ratified last week that fives the gov’t thousands of acres of land.

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