by Scott Creighton
Thanks to 9/11 Blogger and AJFan, I just listened to one of the most amazing pieces of abject fabrication I have heard on any radio station; and that includes Bill O’s show.
“Professor Muller (at about 7:30) is led by Boston Public Radio host Tom Ashbrook to the subject of what future presidents should know about the physics of terrorism; specifically, how did those buildings come down?”
Professor Muller is currentlywith the University of California, Berkley and also a member of the JASON Defense Advisory Group which brings together top scientists as consultants for the United States Department of Defense. So he shouldn’t be too biased, eh?
He writes a monthly column for MIT’s magazine and by all accounts, he is a very smart man (you can tell by how he holds his glasses there). So, let’s see what he says in the interview about the physics of 9/11, shall we?
This is part of what he says during that interview:
“TNT is uh, a (sic) explosive, releases a certain amount of energy, I like to measure the energy in food calories, per gram or per pound.
If we compare the energy released by gasoline, many people are surprised to learn that gasoline releases more energy, 15 times the energy of TNT.
The planes carried about 60 tons of jet fuel, and if you multiply that by about 15 to get a sense of it, it was about 900 tons of TNT or the equivalent. 2 planes=1.8kila tons. That’s why there was so much damage done.”
First, let me say that jet fuel isn’tgasoline, though Muller interchanges the two during his talk. The jet fuel used in these planes was Type A jet Fuel. “The most common fuel is an unleaded/paraffin (kerosene) oil-based fuel classified as Jet A-1 (otherwise known as AVTUR), which is produced to an internationally standardized set of specifications.” Wiki, here.
Now, aside from the equation of “15 times the energy of TNT” statement he makes, which I don’t know whether that is true or not of “gasoline”, since we are talking about Type A Jet Fuel, I don’t think it makes a difference. But I want to work out the math for you, and then show you a video real quick.
But, since gasoline is derived from oil, even though it does have several additives that make it more volatile, we can basically derive that the energy output would be close that of oil when compared to TNT.
“A ton of oil equivalent or tonne of oil equivalent (TOE), a conventional value of 10 Gcal (IT) = 41.868 GJ ≈ 10.0067 ton of TNT.” Wiki, here.
So, we are looking at something akin to a 10 to 1 ratio as opposed to a 15 to 1 as he claims, depending on the additives. But he is the professor, not me, so I will yield to his pedigree on this one.
Let’s “do the math” shall we? He says there were the equivalent of 900 tons of TNT on each plane, and that is what caused “all the damage”. Well, 900 tons (Short Tons) equals 1,800,000 lbs. That is nearly 2 million lbs of TNT… per plane. Wanna see what 1 million pounds of TNT does? Almost HALF of what Muller says is the same as what the planes did to the Trade Center? Take a look…
Feb. 1965. 1 million pounds of TNT detonated to simulate a nuclear explosion. Half of the explosive energy that Muller suggests was released in EACH of the plane crashes.
Half (meaning that by Mullers calculations, the explosions of the plane impacts were twice this size. Did they LOOK twice this size?)
This link is a MUST SEE. it is a 50 ton test from 1963. Remember that Muller said that EACH plane carried the equivalent explosive energy of 900 tons of TNT. So watch what 50 tons does, and tell me, just how accurate Professor Muller’s math really is.
http://www.sonicbomb.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=126
In the 1st video you can see how the blast wave sweeps over the land and water then nearly crushes the battle ships anchored 1000 meters away. Clearly this is NOT what we saw when those planes hit the towers. If it had been, it would have blown the tops off those buildings immediately.
Now, this IS what we saw on Sept. 11th. It is the actual damage done to the building after the plane hit.
When the planes hit the buildings, the vast majority of the Jet Fuel was burned in the initial fireball; meaning that most of the energy was spent AT THAT MOMENT, according to both NIST and FEMA and many other scientists who have studied the attacks. You can clearly see it in the videos; the orange fireballs are OUTSIDE the buildings, so the destructive force is exerted AWAY FROM the interior columns.
Perhaps that is why the buildings REMAINED STANDING for so long, Mr. Muller.
Well, now that we have that straight, and we can pretty much tell Muller’s numbers must be WAY off… let’s see what else he had to say.
“Gasoline, in my mind, is the most dangerous thing, the thing that is the greatest danger for a future terrorist attack.
The lack of terrorism, since 9/11, something I said in my class… as I told my students, as we learned last week, gasoline has 15 times the energy of TNT. Let me describe to you how the building collapsed; what happened. Basically I got it all right.”
Lack of terrorism since 9/11? What do you call the anthrax attacks of late September 2001? I would call them ”terrorism”. But that’s just me…
“Once the fires weakened the steel and when that happened the upper floors collapsed on it like a sledge hammer.”
Oh jesus… he “got it all right” huh? He’s been soooo wrong so far.
Let’s see. Aside from the fact that if his numbers had been correct with the 900 tons of TNT equation, then the plane crash would have blown the tops of the buildings to Jersey, let’s look at the rest.
“The fires weakened the steel”. Very simple; A-36 structural steel melts at 2,750 deg F. and it starts to lose structural integrity at around 1,475 deg F (but that doesn’t mean it fails at that temp as the UL tests proved). But that is INTERNAL TEMPERATURE of the core of the steel. meaning, that the EXTERNAL TEMPERATURE would have to remain at least that hot for a prolonged period of time in order to heat the core of the steel to that point.
The thicker the steel, the longer it takes to “weaken” it. Seems simple, right?
NIST and FEMA both said that the hottest exterior temperatures of the steel they tested was around 650 deg. F, no where NEAR hot enough to cause that kind of CORE STEEL TEMPERATURE. There may have been patches of fires that heated the steel beyond 650 deg. F but, remember that the steel isn’t sitting there by itself. It was designed as a heat sync; meaning that it was all interconnected, and the heat energy transferred throughout the steel structure so that the steel would not reach that point quickly. That is how it was designed.
Perhaps that explains why the Underwriters Laboratories truss-test showed no significant weakening of the steel assemblies when they burned at hotter temperatures than were possible in the towers, for a longer period of time. But hey, that’s just me being a stickler for experiments and physics.
“I don’t think that Osama bin Laden expected that building to collapse. I don’t think anybody did.”
Wow, does he get anything right?
Not only did the owner of a controlled demolition company (that was brought on the site right after 9/11 to “clean up”) call people in New York (by his own admission) while while the buildings were still standing to tell them to leave the area because he knew the buildings would collapse, but also, the Fire Chief at the time reports that an engineer who specializes in demolitions, who just happened to be there, told him that Building 7 was going to collapse.
So, yes, people knew the buildings were coming down. You can see video still of fire fighters walking away from building 7 saying that they found explosives in the building and it was going to collapse.
So, Professor Muller, you got zero correct. ZERO. And considering that you are a lot smarter than that, I have to surmise that you didn’t just blurt out those horrible fabrications for the fun of it.
You see, this is what should happen when someone obviously tries to advance their career by parroting the “official conspiracy theory” to give it credibility; we should launch like a pack of well informed wolves on his story leaving nothing but the rotting carcass of his career.
Because what he is really doing is trying to turn a profit from the tragedy of 9/11, all the while hoping people who are smart enough to see through his bullshit won’t take the time to expose it. Well, once again, he made a vast miscalculation.
The interview is recorded and available as a MPEG, here.
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holy cow…. you are so right, Willyloman. that much tnt would have demolished 1/2 of New York… 1800 tons of tnt !! I did not know tnt was so ‘mean’…. good grief… why do we need nuclear weapons when we have tnt? it isn’t radioactive… is it?
There is nothing I can say to contribute to this, These are facts, the truth. The colapse of Bld 7 substantuates the whole truth of the day.
The law of physics is not debatible.
Does anyone ever wonder, while those who planned this, and we know who they probably are, while they were sitting around the fire, working out the details of this plot, I wonder if somebody spoke up and said,
” but mr vice president, in crashing these planes into the bld’s, and then, stating afterward that the colapse was due to the heat melting the structural steel members, you do realize sir, that avatian grade keorosene is incapible of producing the necessary constant heat needed to attain those necessary tempitures, sir, someone with the correct credentials in the appropriate physics profession can come forward and sufficiently challange your statements, and sir, how can we counter such a challange in the face of what we’ll know is the correct mathiatical numbers? The statement sir,,,,,,,,,,,quite frankly, simply wont stand up to even the most mediocracy of attacks.”
THERE HAD TO BE SOMEBODY THERE AT THAT GATHERING, WHO KNEW THE TRUTH, AND WANTED TO TELL THEM ALL THEIR THEORIES WERE SIMPLY TOO MUCH BULLSHIT TO BE FULLY EXCEPTED. But this muller, he sold his soul to the devil.
Well, from what I can gather, the meetings around the fire took place at George p. Shultz’z home in 1998 and 1999 when “The Vulcans” met up to plan Bush’s foreign policy.
As a side note, there was a guy there named Dov Zakheim, who was the head of a company that made remote flying systems for Boeing jets. He was also a Neo-con and member of the PNAC (as well as a member of the council on Foreign Relations).
So they had one part of it worked out, didn’t they? How to get planes to fly into the towers without worry that the “terrorists” would chicken out or just miss.
It’s amazing that no MSM ever even questioned that little detail, isn’t it? A guy who has access to entire remote piloting systems meeting with Condi Rice, Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Stephen Hadley, and of course, George P. Shultz and Bush 43… all before 9/11?
and Scott:
I think they had a clue that the story wouldn’t hold up long.
remember what Bush said almost right after the attacks?
“And never tolerate outragous conspiracy theories…”
it has been SO obvious from the very begining…
Willy, speaking of the P N A C, it appears their OFFICIAL WEB SITE has been taken down. Now, all I can pull up are sites that REFER to the official site.Been meaning to tell you that.
Never tolarate outragious conspiracy theories, and I think what resulted was the attitude, “Don’t tolarate CONSPIRACY THEORISTS”. Here lately, in discussing with various people the economic negitive’s associated with any attack on IRAN, some roll their eyes.
My oppinion is the greatest sucsess by the neocon movement has been the splintering of the national coeasion. Never have I seen so much distrust, intolarence outright contempt that has developed for one another. What really blows me away is, in the past, our universities were the base for anti-war movements. Now, to a certain degree, this is the seat of national neo-conservitism.
Scott,
The PNAC has been disbanned since 2006. That’s what is so funny about Yank’s “Boot the PNAC” logo’s she is trying to sell with her signature. The PNAC has been “booted” long long ago.
Yeah, the site finally dropped out about a week ago.
Im wondering why?
Why what? Why they group disbanned? It was called The Project for a New American Century. The century is past, and they got what they wanted, an imperialist America based on their New Pearl Harbor event. So, why keep it up? That’s what AEI is for now.
And the site was pre-paid, for a while, so it finally dropped out. Or they didn’t like people like us taking their own words and using them against them.
ref: The last part of the last (above) sentence
If you read through it, it was like looking at a road map of events that began on 9-11, up to the present. All one had to do was read it, and then reflect on what has occured, to see the truth.
I think they realized this, and took it down for that reason. Alot of the signitories are individuals who we now know are treasonious bastards.
I suspect the removal may represent a victory. Just maybe. And you know, NONE OF THEM can move freely through the country, without heavy heavy personal security. Because,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they’re pussies.
You know, the “their pussies” theory doesn’t get enough attention these days. They were indeed pussies. Except of Armatage, he was a fucking lunatic. He used to hang out with the Vietnamese and wear their clothes and eat their dogs. He was crazy.
Then you got draft dodging Bush who was a male cheerleader in college. That must have made Babes proud huh?
Then you got, Scooter and Carl Rove hopping around doing the “kung-fu grip” dance… they’re pussies.
Waterboard Rove for three minutes and he would tell you everything he knows, that little coward traitor.
I think Georgies boy “turd Blossom” is a closet transvestite. I could give you my thoughts on what the factual reference to “Blossom” (ohhh im gonna regret this)is,,, something that protrudes outward from mis-use.
I had a little doggie once, named pooter.
ok then… um… yeah.
Come on Willy, thats funny shit. I know cause I was crackin up as I wrote it. What did it do? Put an image in your minds tv screen that now, you can’t delete? Keep hittin delete, but it won’t go away. I wrote a good one for ya up above about the anti christ, mr 666 obama, you know, Jesus Christ super star?
Outrageous conspiracy theories indeed. Hell, tin foil is actually aluminum…can’t even get that correct. Gasoline/kerosene/BS: all the same, really. When will this country stop following this batch of fools? Good post Willy!
You know Scott, I didn’t catch it at first, but muller is making an inference that the fuel in the planes was gaosline. He must be, or why make the enferrence at all? Even right below was a correction, still, I didn’t catch the trick. So, the question now is, why even discuss gasoline at all? Gasoline has no application to the situation, enless gasoline was present inside the blds, before the acft’s arrived. Just goes to show you, one can be highly educated, but still dumb as GEORGE BUSH.
well this is great , all of these so called smart people here yet the answer is clear , the planes had fuel,they hit the tower(s)the fire spread and heat equally on each floor.
the shear weight of the upper floors pushing down on a weakening floor section finally gave way.
one person here said he saw a different smoke come out of the floor as it was coming down that looked red? really! well what did you expect to come out of a building with plastic,fuel,paper burning ,light smoke?
all you smart guys need to get some nooky and have a drink at a bar,get out. as much as your ideas would make a great movie its like this, for every explosive you say was planted i can give you a hundred answers(on facts)why youre wrong. so give this a rest. chill out. how about obama was flying air farce one over manhattan just to see the people run.
xseal;
“how about obama was flying air farce one over manhattan just to see the people run.”
I did an article about that already. I said their story about the whole thing had to be a flat out lie. God knows why they did that shit. If you think that dismissing this article or this issue altogether is as simple as republican vs democrat, you are way outgunned here, Seal. Check out the “Fuck Obama” section to your left over there and keep up, would ya?
“… the shear weight of the upper floors pushing down on a weakening floor section finally gave way.”
If you care to look, you will find some technical drawings and 3d models I have made of the structure of the Twin Towers. You should note that nowhere does the “weight of the upper floors” rest on any kind of “floor section” at all, weakened or not. In fact, very few buildings are built that way. The energy of the weight of a building is almost always transferred straight down on COLUMNS and not resting of “floor sections”, so weakened or NOT they wouldn’t cause the near free-fall speed collapse of the towers. Now sometimes live loads are transferred across a floor span via a CANTILEVERED truss or “I”-beam section, but that is rare and certainly NOT in the design of the Twin Towers.
If that is really what you think happened to the Towers, then you don’t even understand NIST’s (the OFFICIAL) version of what happened. And if you don’t understand what even NIST says, then how are any of us expected to respond to your criticism of our evaluation of their theory? that’s right. You don’t know what you are talking about.
To further prove my point on that issue… the fires were not nearly hot enough to melt the A-36 structural steel columns or the trusses for that matter. In fact, only two pieces of the 220 some odd pieces of steel that they salvaged and tested showed that they had been exposed to temps above 600 deg f. What does that mean to you? Structural steel melts at 2750 deg. f and BEGINS to loose it’s structural integrity at around 1400 deg f. So it didn’t get NEARLY hot enough. In fact, that 1400 deg. f number is based on the CORE temp of the steel, meaning it has to be that hot in the center of the steel… not on the outside for that 50% reduction of structural strength to occur.
Now, why do I go through the hassle of telling you all of this? Why when it seems to me that you are just one of those guys who will simply repeat whatever bullshit your superior officer tells you to repeat?
Because, Seal, I have faith in you, even if you don’t. I know that if someone were to eventually come out and confess, that if the truth were finally told, then millions of angry Americans would rise up and take this country back from the thieving, murdering bastards that did this; the real terrorists that “hate our freedom”.
650 architects and engineers have stepped up to say the official story is physically impossible and they make a lot more sense when they talk about this than you do.
200 former military and Pentagon officials have stepped up to say that the official story is bullshit; and they make a lot more sense than you do.
Even members of the 9/11 Commission and former Bush administration officials have stepped up and said… well, you know where I am going with this don’t you.
You want to discuss with someone like me how 90 perfectly intact floors of the WTC 1, that had held up the section above them for 30 years, just folded and collapsed like a deck of cards… all at the speed of gravity, you want to discuss that with me? Please start by explaining how the law of conservation of momentum just stopped working that day, i would love to hear it. Explain to me why we should ignore 120 first responders who testified in their official oral histories that they heard and saw explosions in those buildings before and during collapse. Many of those men had served previously in the Armed Forces and they CERTAINLY know what explosions sound like. Please also explain why their testimony was stricken from the “official story”.
I don’t know how you spent your life, but I don’t give-up on shit just because it is easy.
If you think Bush and Cheney (and now Obama) never lied, then more power to you. Go in peace. But if you have enough sense to understand those bastards lied at every turn, just like Barack O’Bush is doing now, then ask yourself why the hell should you believe their story about that attack. Why would that be the ONE THING they didn’t lie about? Especially considering they never wanted an investigation in the first place, and when they finally gave in to the demands of the press and the families of the victims, why couldn’t they testify under oath? Why is the ONLY evidence they have that points to al Qaeda, the testimony of a man we now know was tortured to provide it?
You may not want the bastards who killed 3,000 Americans that day, but I still do.
I hope you don’t take what I am saying to personally. But it’s like this; you came here and called me out, my house, and you jumped into a fire-fight with only a butter knife. What did you expect? Some half-ass “truther”? Come on now… look around… do a little recon… you will quickly see if you want to jump up here, you better bring something better than “burning paper”… know what I mean?
TO JAMXSEAL > Your correct honny, we need more nooky, and drinks. Saay, listen, Since im gay,why don’t you and I hook up baby. I got really excited reading your above post. I am really attracted to assertive guys like you who have the courage to come here and tell us what the facts are. I wanna party with you baby. how about it???? Let me know. Im horney
got a thing for party-boys in uniform, huh?
ohhhh yeah I just loooove soldier boys.
You can watch professor Muller deceive his young students during physics lecture (Energy, Power,and Explosions) at Berkeley Webcasts here:
http://tiny.cc/yvLhF
Professor Muller has been disseminating the same bogus 9-11 physics for years – one can see this by viewing his earlier Webcasts, which are archived at the above link.
Thank you for the link, Rita. I will check it out and maybe put that up.