The Real 800lb Gorilla in the Room…

by Scott Creighton 

(this is a conversation that took place on AfterDowningStreet. An excellent site promoting the importance of impeachment and various other activist sites/actions. I was simply responding to a thread on the Obama/Wright issue. ADS does not endorse my personal beliefs and yet, as of now, they have not removed them either, to their credit. I strongly reccomend ADS for the stories as well as their links to activism that we can help with.)

original poster to the thread, yankhadenough, wrote:

Hmmm, who got to Barack Obama to distance himself from Pastor Jeremiah Wright and THE TRUTH? As Frederick says “Cui bono?” Who benefits? Click on video:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080315/ap_on_el_pr/obama_pastor

Listen to OBL himself regarding his motives for 9/11:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dls5JTD-uG0

What motivated the 9/11 hijackers? See testimony most didn’t :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg 

Impeachment Hearings will put the truth on the table, and Americans are CRAVING for it. I’m tired of begging Congressman Conyers to do the right thing, aren’t you? John Conyers needs a good old fashioned talkin’ to! How can we convince Pastor Jeremiah Wright to meet with Chairman Conyers?

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC>”OUT” ANTI-AMERICAN CABALS!

WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

my responses:

Won’t Do Any Good…

Submitted by willyloman on Sun, 2008-03-16 13:19.

You think Wright knows more about America’s Imperialist agenda in the Middle East than someone who has had aceess to 4 NIE reports per year?

Conyers knows, all to well, what this country has done to provoke deep seated hatred across that region as well as many others (Central America, South America, caspian Sea region, Indonesia, ect…).

The problem with Wright’s conclusions are that no matter how angry 19 hijackers can get, they didn’t have the money to come here and live here and train here on their own (Saudi Arabia financed at least two that we know of. and we know conclusively that the ISI (with long-standing CIA support) sent at least one payment of $100,000 to M. Atta just before the attacks.).

Also, those 19 hijackers could not have caused the “confusion” that existed that day, or given the stand down order that Cheney seems to have been talking about when N. Penetta testified to before the 9/11 Commission.

Also, those 19 hijackers couldn’t have caused those towers to collapse, the first time any steel and concrete building collapsed due to fire (or even plane strike for that matter (see Empire State building in late 40’s)).

And, of course, none of the hijackers could have had ANYTHING to do with building 7 falling down at free-fall speed (47 stories in 6.7 secs) into it’s own footprint like a picture perfect demo. Because none of the 19 hijackers even touched building 7 (and neither did the planes for that matter).

You think Conyers is too stupid to know these facts? You think he needs an education from some preacher?

Wrong.

Why do you think it is that Kucinich is still out there talking about everything BUT impeachment? It’s like his vocabulary just got one word smaller, for some reason.

Why do you think it is that when Conyers was asked if it was Pelosi that was keeping him from putting impeachment before the judiciary committee, he couldn’t contain his spontanious laughter/disgust?

You think Pelosi or Cheney is the top of the food chain on this one?

Something WAY up there got to Kucinich. I mean let’s face it; he had already presented the impeachment articles against Cheney and had written the 61 articles against Bush.

Now he can’t even mention them in public. Like it never happened.

Rev. Wright has no clue as to what this is. And neither do we. But Conyers does and so do the rest of “our” lawmakers.

And while we are on the subject…

Submitted by willyloman on Sun, 2008-03-16 13:28.

… how do you think those 19 SAUDI hijackers placed all those “put options” on American and United Airlines stock?

Shit, they must have had allot of money to spread around, huh?

Truth be told, one company that was found to have placed large numbers of put-options on those specific stocks, was AB Brown Brothers. The CEO or top executives quit, without notice or reason, on Sept. 13th 2001.

Did you know that “Buzzy” Krongard was head of the CIA at the time of 9/11, and that before he went to work for the CIA, he ws COO or some highly placed thing with a very old and distinguished Wall Street investment firm?

Did you know that Yank?

Did you know it was AB Brown Brothers? The same firm that placed millions of dollars in put options on American and United airlines, 4 days before 9/11?

You ever wonder Yank…

Submitted by willyloman on Sun, 2008-03-16 14:24.

…just why it was the the Bush Administration fought so hard to keep any kind of congressional investigation from happening after 9/11?

Seems kind of odd, doesn’t it? I guess those 19 hijackers got to Bush and Cheney too, huh? Or was it 13?

You see, even the FBI and Interpol admit that some of the “hijackers” first named are really still alive and well in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and Jordan.

But the FBI refuses to take their names off the list anyway.

Don’t know why that should bother us when the wanted poster for OBL doesn’t mention 9/11 at all. When asked about it, the FBI says that they have no “real” evidence that OBL had anything to do with 9/11.

I guess that tells you whay they really think of the “fat” bin Laden “confession” video. You know, the one they have yet to confirm as being authentic?

But back to the efficiancy of the 19 (or was it 13) hijackers….

Must have taken them awile to convince the president and vice president not to have a congressional investigation into the attacks. But those pesky family members finally won out, and they had to cave in and set up the 9/11 Commission.

Strange how those 19 (or was it 13) hijackers got Bush to pick Kissenger to serve as the Executive of that commission to start with.

I guess they read somewhere that Kissenger had been implicated with Agusto Pinocet in 1999 for war crimes because he helped overthrow the elelcted Allende government in Chile, so that they could set up Pinochet to run a Ne0-Con “privatise everything” government there.

I guess they saw it as funny that that coup took place on Sept. 11th 1973.

And here is Kissenger, once again, overseeing the “investigation” into how those 19 (or was it 13) “terrorists” changed our world, crushed our constitution, poured billions into new defense spending, and precipitated the “democratization” of the Middle East.

That is, till one of the family members asked Kissenger in the hearing room if his company had any clients whose last name was bin Laden, and Kissenger abruptly resigned.

Then along came Philip Zelikow; long time friend of Condi Rice and a one time member of the Bush transition team.

Isn’t it amazing how those 19 (or was it 13) hijackers got all that done, post mortem?

I guess they read the script. You know, “Rebuilding Americas Defenses”? The one written by Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, and all the other little neo-cons back in 1999?

The one that said they wanted to creat a “new Middle East” starting with Iraq and they wanted to create a much stronger defense department that would be allowed to “pre-emptively” attack countries and invade them to bring the promise of democracy (and unrestricted free-market, privatized everything, profits) to these backward little countrys?

Kind of like Kissenger was doing in Central America.

I guess those 19 (or was…. ah, you get it now) hijackers read that report and figured they would help out by creating what the neo-cons called for in “a new Pearl Harbor”.

Those helpful hijackers. They really think of everything, don’t they.

then Yank responds;

Yeah, that OBL FBI poster has always bothered me too

Submitted by yankhadenuf on Sun, 2008-03-16 14:30.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC>”OUT” ANTI-AMERICAN CABALS!

WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

so I continue;

That bothers you?

Submitted by willyloman on Sun, 2008-03-16 14:43.

How about the 8 researchers (5 PhDed) who have published findings and had them peer reviewed, that prove there are iron-ore particles found in the dust from the trade centers, that had to have been created the moment it “collapsed” that could not have been created in tempatures present?

Jet fuel burns in open air, at around 1700degs and office funature somewhere around 600deg (f.), but the iron is from the structural steel and to have created those particles of iron like that tempatures of somewhere around 4000(deg)+ were needed.

that bother you?

How about the thousands of engineers and architects, scientists and professors and demo experts that have gone on record to say that buildings do not collapse at free-fall speed through themselves; the path of greatest resistance?

(you see, lower floors, steel concrete, ect, are designed to at least, slow down (if not stop) the collapse, as is evidenced in every other case of buildings that collapse (none end up in a perfect little pile of rubble neatly placed on the footprint as was the case, not two times on Sept. 11th, but three.)

That give you any reason to pause?

How about the fact that both Hamilton and Keane have stated that they were lied to by 1. the Pentagon and 2. the CIA when it came to swarn testimony before the 9/11 Commission?

and that Bush and Cheney only agree to testify if;
1. it was off the record…
2. no swearing in…
3. they had to testify together…
4. only one commissioner was allowed to take notes, which Cheney would be allowed to review and edit afterward.

How about that? Does that bother you?

How about Cheney’s Energy Commission meeting that took place Feb. 2001, where they have now released the hand drawn sketches of Iraq’s oil fields and how Cheney and the members of the oil companies planned to divide them up?

That seem a little “bothersome” to you?

You need to back and listen to that video again, Yank…

Submitted by willyloman on Sun, 2008-03-16 14:59.

“Listen to OBL himself regarding his motives for 9/11:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dls5JTD-uG0 “

what he says is that the attacks are a reaction too….

He NEVER says they were HIS reaction to the oppression of Palistine or other things from the Middle East.

HUGE difference.

This is the Real 800lb gorilla in the room…

Submitted by willyloman on Sun, 2008-03-16 15:11.

… that even “progressives” like yourself can’t begin to talk about.

Yet everything that I have mentioned above is easlily verifiable. Hell, even Fox News has covered some of it.

Yet, next week, most of you reading here today will go on talking about the 19 hijackers and just why “they” wanted to attack the trade centers, and give the Bush Administration it’s “New Pearl Harbor” event that would allow them to shove their imperialist agenda down the throats of every Middle East nation that wasn’t already in bed with US corporations. As well as picking apart that bothersome little thing we like to call the Constitution.

That’s the 800lb gorilla we are ALL ignoring. And it is the ONLY one that would completely derail this fast-track road to fascism we find ourselves on, Yank.